Kyle Orton (1 Viewer)

[damageinc]

Just curious why Orton is so disrespected in Fantasy Football. He was the 14th fantasy Qb last yearin points. He is in a Pass First system and is not interception prone. He has looked terriffic in the preseason and all reports is he is even better then last year. I watched the game this weekend and he was fantastic. Super accurate throws and he threw 5-6 over 25 yatds . He looked very good this weekend. I read reports like the one below and lo and behold Orton sits on the waiver wire in alot of leagues including mine. I will probally pick him up ( for the season) this week to replace stafford instead of Vick for 1 week.

Denver Broncos Vs Jacksonville Jaguars: Broncos Lose But Kyle Orton Is Real Deal

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/461617-...than-jay-cutler

For devoted Denver Broncos' fans feeling disappointed with the result from Sunday's game, there is definitely a bright spot. The days of worrying about the Denver Broncos, quarterback security are pretty much over.

While Tim Tebow stood out during the preseason as the definite No. 2 on the roster, surprising even his biggest critics, it was Kyle Orton's scorching Sunday performance that was hotter than the record temperatures in Jacksonville. Kyle made great use of former Chicago Bear Brandon Lloyd, as well as Eddie Royal and Jabar Gaffney.

While his official stats were 295 yards passing, one touchdown, and an 89.8 passer rating, anyone who watched the game knew the second half rain delay/weather change impacted his second half performance. Based on the first half alone, he was on track for a 400-yard game.

The Denver Broncos are maintaining their identity as a pass-first team, and while some key mistakes kept points off of the board, the offense was noticeably better than last year. That centered on Kyle Orton.

Kyle clearly was far crisper on his passes, and far more accurate than Broncos' fans have ever seen him before; he lived up to the training camp hype. Multiple times he successfully threaded passes to receivers that he couldn't have possibly hit last season.

The loss of Brandon Marshall was hidden almost entirely by the increase in Orton's accuracy. Long passes that he couldn't have possibly connected on last year were sniped professionally

Marshall's biggest talent last season was catching the mostly errant long passes. This year, the receiving corps will not have that problem because of Orton's superior ball placement.

Ever since Josh McDaniels came to Denver, everyone talked about the fact that quarterbacks flourished in the second year of his offensive system. On the field, Kyle Orton is showing why that is true.

It is almost unbelievable how far he has come in just one offseason, but the competition on the roster has obviously given him an unmatched drive and confidence. With him at the reigns, the Broncos are poised to have a top 10 passing game this season.

Denver certainly doesn't look like a top 10 team, but still, Josh McDaniels' passing offense is beginning to shine.

And Kyle Orton is at the heart of it.

If he's still available in your fantasy league, now would be the time to snatch him up

 

[Bill Haverchuck]

With Stafford out a while, I put a bid in for him on the ww.

 

[Warhogs]

I have been telling many of my friends for weeks that Orton may be the most under rated QB around.

 

[None_More_Black]

Has a tough stretch weeks 4-6 but the schedule is sweet after that. Think I'm going to dump Kolb for him so I don't have to deal with the whole Kolb Vick situation.

 

[D'OHtis]

I think he's the most underrated QB in the league. He's just getting better and better. I think he's an absolute perfect fit for the short pass game in Denver. After the KC/Denver cram for Cassel last year, Chicago's throw in of Orton may just end up being the best QB of that bunch. I'd absolutely love to have Orton in AZ.

I think many expect guys to flourish right away. He's most definitely improving each and every year.

 

[PhantomJB]

Have him as my "bold pick of the year" at 4,300 yds. He's generally rated lower since he is perceived as a Kerry Collins-like game manager. But he is a great fit for McDaniels' system, as are the WR's. Add to that great confidence coming into the season, the issues at RB and a generally soft schedule and he should be money.

 

[damageinc]

I have t add I also disrespected him. I drafted Henne late dismissing Orton. I will dismiss him no more. He is defietly starter low #1 QB material for fantasy football. He is absolutley steady.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

100% agree...a tremendous bargain. Don't know why people haven't warmed up to him. It' s odd.

 

[cvnpoka]

so the article admits the guy was inaccurate and incapable last season, he has one good game, and is annointed as arrived?

 

[solorca]

I was set to pick Jason Campbell late in my draft, when I happened to glance at Kyle Orton's name. I immediately questioned why I would possibly draft Campbell, when Orton has never given me a reason not to trust him. I changed my pick and I'm really happy I did.

I actually started him over Eli Manning this week. Manning put up a few more points, but it was still a solid week. I plan on playing them as a QBBC all season.

 

[moleculo]

so the article admits the guy was inaccurate and incapable last season, he has one good game, and is annointed as arrived?

don't forget - 4 pre-season games and glowing reviews from TC and mini-camps.Last year was Orton's first year in the system. He started the season with a dislocated finger on his throwing hand - dislocated so bad the bone popped out of the skin. He also missed four quarters (2 half games) with a sprained ankle, which impacted his throwing motion. After all of that, he still put up 3800 yards.I think he was downgraded because of an anti McD bias and an overestimated impact of losing Brandon Marshall.

 

[CaptainHook]

another example of a guy developing a horrendous reputation simply because he understandably struggled after being prematurely pushed into a starting role as a rookie. id be surprised if the stigma attached to him ever went away despite him quietly developing into a very respectable starting QB.

 

[destro]

The problem is that he is very inaccurate on his intermediate to deep routes. On shorter routes, he's fine, and he generally is pretty good at avoiding turnovers. He can be capable in the right offense that maximizes his strengths, but he will never be a sexy, high upside QB that can take over a game.

I still see references across different threads about him "developing" or something, but that's not accurate. He's been in the leagues several years, and, at this point, he's pretty much a known quantity. Last year's numbers are at or very near his ceiling, imo.

 

[damageinc]

Interesting tidbit about playing at home and the perception that he does not throw more then 20 yards.

Kyle Orton, who is third among active starting NFL quarterbacks with a .792 winning percentage (19-5) at home, led all players in Week 1 with five completions of 25 yards or more.

 

[moleculo]

The problem is that he is very inaccurate on his intermediate to deep routes. On shorter routes, he's fine, and he generally is pretty good at avoiding turnovers. He can be capable in the right offense that maximizes his strengths, but he will never be a sexy, high upside QB that can take over a game.I still see references across different threads about him "developing" or something, but that's not accurate. He's been in the leagues several years, and, at this point, he's pretty much a known quantity. Last year's numbers are at or very near his ceiling, imo.

I'm not sure how you can read what I posted a couple of posts up and conclude that last year was his ceiling.

 

[CaptainHook]

he came out of college as a major project. he then started his rookie year. the reason people say hes still developing is because he should have never been an nfl starter in the first place until his 4th or 5th year. now we are just starting to see his potential. you are being incredibly unfair to a guy with an incredible arm who has been good enough to earn playing time despite being heavily flawed.

yes he had horrible numbers his rookie year. get over it. orton is going to be a good to great qb for quite awhile.

 

[glong989]

That article is from bleacher report. Anyone can sign up for an account there and write an article..Not the best source for info

Either way I agree. He is just like David Garrard. Consistently decent. Doesnt throw up the 400 yards games or consistent 300 yards, but doesn't toss tons of picks and gets 1-2 TDs more often than not.

 

[CaptainHook]

That article is from bleacher report. Anyone can sign up for an account there and write an article..Not the best source for infoEither way I agree. He is just like David Garrard. Consistently decent. Doesnt throw up the 400 yards games or consistent 300 yards, but doesn't toss tons of picks and gets 1-2 TDs more often than not.

what the hell are you basing this on

 

[moleculo]

That article is from bleacher report. Anyone can sign up for an account there and write an article..Not the best source for infoEither way I agree. He is just like David Garrard. Consistently decent. Doesnt throw up the 400 yards games or consistent 300 yards, but doesn't toss tons of picks and gets 1-2 TDs more often than not.

what the hell are you basing this on

???last years stats from my one of my FF leagues:Garrard, David JAC QB 312.6 19.54 7.5 27.8 19.6 38.0 9.5 17.9 B 7.2 22.1 24.2 19.4 16.4 25.2 9.6 28.8 14.3 25.1Orton, Kyle DEN QB 311.8 19.49 18.5 19.2 13.8 24.2 27.5 24.6 B 8.7 8.1 22.0 7.6 17.2 20.0 26.0 21.0 27.2 26.2 overall, within a point of each other. Both had 5 games < 15 points and 6 games > 24 points (yes, arbitrary cutoffs)statistically, very comparable.

 

[CaptainHook]

i just dont understand the comparison at all unless you buy into the absolute nonsense of orton as a game manager stigma.

in his FIRST SEASON in a NEW SYSTEM he threw for 3800 and 21. How he could possibly still be considered little more than a throwaway game manager is beyond me.

 

[gotmooch]

Moleculo, your statistical comparisons to Garrard are good, but you need to look at their careers instead of just 2009. Muhsin Muhammad once said "Chicago is where wide receivers go to die" and judging by the last decade, his comment was dead on. Let's look at Orton's stats and the situation he was facing.

2005-Rookie year and thrown into action in Chicago: 1869 yds, 9 tds, 13 ints

2006 & 2007-Grossman and Griese debacle in Chicago, played in 3 games in '07

2008-Full time starter in Chicago: 2979 yds, 18 tds, 12 ints

2009-Out of QB purgatory and into Denver 3802 yds, 21 tds, 12 ints

Does anyone see a trend? Look at Garrard's stats and you will see that his trend is flat.

MY 2010 Prediction for Orton- 4200 yds, 25 tds, 12 ints

From a fantasy perspective, I would much rather have Orton on my team than Garrard for no other reason than consistency. You don't know what you are gonna get with Garrard and that is exactly why I wouldn't even consider drafting MSW, despite his talent. Garrard had 8 games in 2009 without a touchdown pass and that is unacceptable. Orton, on the other hand, had 3 games without a touchdown.

One year ago, I would tell you to kick me in the scrotum if I ever even considered Orton worthy of a roster spot on my fantasy team. My BML just added QBs to our flex position (RB/WR/TE/QB) and I didn't like the idea, but I am extremely confident with Brees and Orton at the controls of my fantasy destiny.

 

[Joe Summer]

KO + TT - BM = 25

 

[destro]

I still see references across different threads about him "developing" or something, but that's not accurate. He's been in the leagues several years, and, at this point, he's pretty much a known quantity. Last year's numbers are at or very near his ceiling, imo.

I'm not sure how you can read what I posted a couple of posts up and conclude that last year was his ceiling.

Well, I'll tell you how; I didn't use your post as my sole source of information on Kyle Orton.

As for the contents of your earlier post: So, he was a little banged up, missed half of two games. It was his first year in a new system, like a dozen other QBs every year. Big deal? Why should I take that information, ignore all other potential negatives about his situation in 2010, and add another 700 yards or something to his 2009 totals?

What about the fact that he lost an elite WR? Losing his huge, game-breaking security blanket from a year ago is a serious blow. Are we just ignoring those kinds of things, or are we pretending that there's another WR with Brandon Marshall's ability and polish on the roster this year? What about the fact that his OL is beat up this year? Is that not a concern?

Sorry, I'm not seeing it. He's an average NFL QB. That's not a bad thing. It's just not a great thing. He's never going to be confused with Drew Brees or Peyton Manning, so expecting him to put up 4500 yards or something is just not very reasonable.

Interesting tidbit about playing at home and the perception that he does not throw more then 20 yards.Kyle Orton, who is third among active starting NFL quarterbacks with a .792 winning percentage (19-5) at home, led all players in Week 1 with five completions of 25 yards or more.

How many of those didn't actually go 25 yards in the air? How many of them required a spectacular effort by Brandon Lloyd?

 

[damageinc]

Thats not fair. How many of Bradys passes to Randy Moss OR Warners to Fitgerald are jump balls where you need to reciever to do his job and make the play. But you are right he is not and will never be an elite QB in the vien of Brady or Manning. No one will confuse him with Arron Rodgers. He is a good QB . Hopefully no one sees him as elite.

 

[jon_mx]

I maybe starting Orton over Farve....I went late on QB.

 

[moleculo]

I still see references across different threads about him "developing" or something, but that's not accurate. He's been in the leagues several years, and, at this point, he's pretty much a known quantity. Last year's numbers are at or very near his ceiling, imo.

I'm not sure how you can read what I posted a couple of posts up and conclude that last year was his ceiling.

Well, I'll tell you how; I didn't use your post as my sole source of information on Kyle Orton. As for the contents of your earlier post: So, he was a little banged up, missed half of two games. It was his first year in a new system, like a dozen other QBs every year. Big deal? Why should I take that information, ignore all other potential negatives about his situation in 2010, and add another 700 yards or something to his 2009 totals?What about the fact that he lost an elite WR? Losing his huge, game-breaking security blanket from a year ago is a serious blow. Are we just ignoring those kinds of things, or are we pretending that there's another WR with Brandon Marshall's ability and polish on the roster this year? What about the fact that his OL is beat up this year? Is that not a concern?Sorry, I'm not seeing it. He's an average NFL QB. That's not a bad thing. It's just not a great thing. He's never going to be confused with Drew Brees or Peyton Manning, so expecting him to put up 4500 yards or something is just not very reasonable.

Interesting tidbit about playing at home and the perception that he does not throw more then 20 yards.Kyle Orton, who is third among active starting NFL quarterbacks with a .792 winning percentage (19-5) at home, led all players in Week 1 with five completions of 25 yards or more.

How many of those didn't actually go 25 yards in the air? How many of them required a spectacular effort by Brandon Lloyd?

no one is saying add 700 yards to his passing totals. The only point I'm trying to make is that a 2010 regression is unlikely (yes, you think last year was his ceiling, that means you expect a regression).I can see an argument on the basis of a dinged up O-line and a missing Marshall. I think these points are overstated. You think my points are overstated...I guess that's that. I'm not expecting Orton to be a top 5 QB, but I'd make a case for him being in the 8-12 region.

 

[destro]

no one is saying add 700 yards to his passing totals. The only point I'm trying to make is that a 2010 regression is unlikely (yes, you think last year was his ceiling, that means you expect a regression).I can see an argument on the basis of a dinged up O-line and a missing Marshall. I think these points are overstated. You think my points are overstated...I guess that's that. I'm not expecting Orton to be a top 5 QB, but I'd make a case for him being in the 8-12 region.

Well, someone did say 4300 yards, so that's adding 500 more yards. I said that he was at or near his ceiling, so if he scraped out 4000 after playing in every game without any injuries, I don't think that would really make my assessment wrong. I do believe that a chance of regression is very real though, especially since he no longer has an elite weapon on his offense to bail him out. I just think, independent of the team around him, we saw what he was last year. He's not going to get better. His second year in the system isn't going to make him throw a better deep ball.If you expect him to be in the 8-12 area for QBs in terms of fantasy production, then he needs to perform significantly better. Even if we somehow assume he manages 4k yards without Marshall, he's still going to need to significantly increase his TD totals. The QBs in that 8-12 range last year were almost all over 4k yards, and they all threw 5-7 more TDs than Orton did. So, if he's going to get there, he needs to stay healthy, throw for more yards without an elite WR, and fit 5-7 more TDs in there somewhere (or have zero INTs all season). That seems extremely optimistic.

 

[Sabertooth]

I have Orton in a platoon with Carson Palmer. He's one of those guys that is really nice as a backup/spot start player who can take over if your top guy goes down.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Orton will be different than last year. He is really playing on a different team.

On one hand he lost a great weapon in Marshall, but on the other it looks like the Broncos will be opening up the playbook this year, and getting a little more aggressive in the passing game. They appear to have more confidence in Orton, and perhaps a little less confidence in the running game.

I don't see a huge ceiling for Orton, but I think the floor is pretty high. He has improved every year he has been in the league - no sense that, at 27, he is ready to regress. Its more likely that he improves than regresses, imo.

 

[switz]

The problem is that he is very inaccurate on his intermediate to deep routes. On shorter routes, he's fine, and he generally is pretty good at avoiding turnovers. He can be capable in the right offense that maximizes his strengths, but he will never be a sexy, high upside QB that can take over a game.I still see references across different threads about him "developing" or something, but that's not accurate. He's been in the leagues several years, and, at this point, he's pretty much a known quantity. Last year's numbers are at or very near his ceiling, imo.

Thanks for proving the OPs point.

 

[switz]

Interesting tidbit about playing at home and the perception that he does not throw more then 20 yards.Kyle Orton, who is third among active starting NFL quarterbacks with a .792 winning percentage (19-5) at home, led all players in Week 1 with five completions of 25 yards or more.

How many of those didn't actually go 25 yards in the air? How many of them required a spectacular effort by Brandon Lloyd?

To answer your last two questions, the answer is none to both.We're not talking about last year's flukey TD to Stokely, we're talking this year. Apparently you didn't watch the game, and continue to ignore pretty much everything about Orton except your baseless opinion.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

I have Orton in a platoon with Carson Palmer. He's one of those guys that is really nice as a backup/spot start player who can take over if your top guy goes down.

With Stafford down, I'm debating picking up Orton to do the same thing.

 

[cubbie5150]

Well, with Eddie Royal apparently being relevant again, its almost like Denver made a nice off-season WR acquisition. It kinda feels like when a starting pitcher comes off the DL in the middle of the season; feels like the team was improved via trade or something. And no, I'm not saying Royal is a Brandon Marshall.

 

[TheFanatic]

I maybe starting Orton over Farve....I went late on QB.

I'm doing that this week....

 

[Statcruncher]

Interesting tidbit about playing at home and the perception that he does not throw more then 20 yards.

Kyle Orton, who is third among active starting NFL quarterbacks with a .792 winning percentage (19-5) at home, led all players in Week 1 with five completions of 25 yards or more.

How many of those didn't actually go 25 yards in the air? How many of them required a spectacular effort by Brandon Lloyd?

To answer your last two questions, the answer is none to both.We're not talking about last year's flukey TD to Stokely, we're talking this year. Apparently you didn't watch the game, and continue to ignore pretty much everything about Orton except your baseless opinion.

Actually, all it took was a look at the first 25+ yard pass play, 14 yards in the air and 20 yards after the catch.(14:56) 8-K.Orton pass short left to 89-D.Graham to DEN 49 for 28 yards (56-J.Durant).

The other four were thrown 25+ yards in the air, but you missed this one.

 

[FallenHero32]

Personally I love Orton and I see him as a perfect Bye-Week filler for my main QB and sometimes a matchup play. He always produces decent enough numbers and I've seen nothing but improvement. The only time his numbers go down is when he is hurt. I picked up him in my dynasty league when he was named starter and he has never disappointed me in the least.

 

[SWC]

He is a good QB and a nice guy, and that's a winning combination. Take it to the bank!

 

[destro]

The problem is that he is very inaccurate on his intermediate to deep routes. On shorter routes, he's fine, and he generally is pretty good at avoiding turnovers. He can be capable in the right offense that maximizes his strengths, but he will never be a sexy, high upside QB that can take over a game.I still see references across different threads about him "developing" or something, but that's not accurate. He's been in the leagues several years, and, at this point, he's pretty much a known quantity. Last year's numbers are at or very near his ceiling, imo.

Thanks for proving the OPs point.

In what way? He says Orton is "disrespected" in the FF world, and I appear to be the only one posting in this thread who disagrees with the OP. How disrespected can he be? And, besides, I said multiple times that he is fine and capable as a QB... he's just not a sexy high upside QB. Moleculo, a poster who is surely on the Orton bandwagon, is hoping he ends up in the 8-12 range. I think that's far from a lock, but let's just say that's what he accomplishes. Is that really a sexy high upside QB? I don't think so, and, again, even that performance seems far from a lock. My opinion here isn't that radical. In case it's not clear: I think he's a decent QB, but over the course of his career, he has not been very accurate on long passes, and he is not a very high ceiling guy. He can be adequate in the right situation though, and I think he is in that kind of situation now. In FF terms, I think he's a fine #2, but he's not a guy you really want as your #1. Is that really so unreasonable that you must resort to stuff like this?

To answer your last two questions, the answer is none to both.We're not talking about last year's flukey TD to Stokely, we're talking this year. Apparently you didn't watch the game, and continue to ignore pretty much everything about Orton except your baseless opinion.

Coming on a bit strong, aren't we? The answer is actually one to both. Maybe next time you want to try the "you didn't watch the game" shtick, make sure you're actually right? No big deal though; I'm not going to accuse you of having a "baseless opinion" just because we don't agree. I actually did watch the game, along with about 90% of the games he's played in the NFL. I think that probably qualifies as having something to base my opinion on, but, I doubt it matters to you...

 

[moleculo]

...In what way? He says Orton is "disrespected" in the FF world, and I appear to be the only one posting in this thread who disagrees with the OP. How disrespected can he be? And, besides, I said multiple times that he is fine and capable as a QB... he's just not a sexy high upside QB. Moleculo, a poster who is surely on the Orton bandwagon, is hoping he ends up in the 8-12 range. I think that's far from a lock, but let's just say that's what he accomplishes. Is that really a sexy high upside QB? I don't think so, and, again, even that performance seems far from a lock. My opinion here isn't that radical.

I think that if you drafted a QB in the 15th round and the 23rd QB off the board and he ended up QB8, you'd be pretty happy with that. QB8-QB12 is sexy high upside relative to where Orton was drafted.

In case it's not clear: I think he's a decent QB, but over the course of his career, he has not been very accurate on long passes, and he is not a very high ceiling guy. He can be adequate in the right situation though, and I think he is in that kind of situation now. In FF terms, I think he's a fine #2, but he's not a guy you really want as your #1. ...

I'm not sure many drafted him as a #1. Here's some guys who were drafted as a QB1:FlaccoKolbcutlerRyan I think Orton fits in this tier.

 

[footballnerd]

...In what way? He says Orton is "disrespected" in the FF world, and I appear to be the only one posting in this thread who disagrees with the OP. How disrespected can he be? And, besides, I said multiple times that he is fine and capable as a QB... he's just not a sexy high upside QB. Moleculo, a poster who is surely on the Orton bandwagon, is hoping he ends up in the 8-12 range. I think that's far from a lock, but let's just say that's what he accomplishes. Is that really a sexy high upside QB? I don't think so, and, again, even that performance seems far from a lock. My opinion here isn't that radical.

I think that if you drafted a QB in the 15th round and the 23rd QB off the board and he ended up QB8, you'd be pretty happy with that. QB8-QB12 is sexy high upside relative to where Orton was drafted.

In case it's not clear: I think he's a decent QB, but over the course of his career, he has not been very accurate on long passes, and he is not a very high ceiling guy. He can be adequate in the right situation though, and I think he is in that kind of situation now. In FF terms, I think he's a fine #2, but he's not a guy you really want as your #1. ...

I'm not sure many drafted him as a #1. Here's some guys who were drafted as a QB1:FlaccoKolbcutlerRyan I think Orton fits in this tier.

Thats the tier he placed in last years FFL numbers. I see the same this year. Expect a very consistent 14 pts/week avg from the guy. Nothing to write home about but steady none the less.

 

[destro]

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In what way? He says Orton is "disrespected" in the FF world, and I appear to be the only one posting in this thread who disagrees with the OP. How disrespected can he be? And, besides, I said multiple times that he is fine and capable as a QB... he's just not a sexy high upside QB. Moleculo, a poster who is surely on the Orton bandwagon, is hoping he ends up in the 8-12 range. I think that's far from a lock, but let's just say that's what he accomplishes. Is that really a sexy high upside QB? I don't think so, and, again, even that performance seems far from a lock. My opinion here isn't that radical.

I think that if you drafted a QB in the 15th round and the 23rd QB off the board and he ended up QB8, you'd be pretty happy with that. QB8-QB12 is sexy high upside relative to where Orton was drafted.

In case it's not clear: I think he's a decent QB, but over the course of his career, he has not been very accurate on long passes, and he is not a very high ceiling guy. He can be adequate in the right situation though, and I think he is in that kind of situation now. In FF terms, I think he's a fine #2, but he's not a guy you really want as your #1.

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I'm not sure many drafted him as a #1. Here's some guys who were drafted as a QB1:

Flacco

Kolb

cutler

Ryan

I think Orton fits in this tier.

Ok, two things: I'm not saying that if Orton ends up in the 8-12 range, you would be getting poor value or you should not be happy with that. That would be good value, to be sure. I don't think that is anywhere near a sure thing, but that's another issue. It's not, however, the kind of "sexy high upside QB" thing that I'm speaking of though. If that isn't clear enough, I'm talking about having the upside to be a clear top 10 guy that you want to start every or most weeks. He has almost no shot at being a Top 5ish QB, and even finishing as a second tier, 5-10 type guy seems like a stretch to me. That is why, as the OP suggests, Orton is "disrespected," and what I was getting at in my original response. He's not a poor value in fantasy leagues, at all. There's just nothing at all to suggest he has a shot at being elite, and therefore he frequently gets overlooked. People want high upside guys on their teams, and because of that, Orton often slips in favor of other, younger QBs who have more perceived potential.

I also wasn't implying that he is frequently drafted as a #1. I was just giving my assessment of him, and I view him as a fine #2 QB in most fantasy leagues.

Seem reasonable?

 

[damageinc]

I think Orton will not be on any waiver wires after today.He looked great. A very nice game. 310 yards , 2 TD's and no picks. 20 fantasy points. He is a #1 fantasy QB low end of course but he is a #1 QB in fantasy. And having D Thomas playing only increases his potential. He now has a ton of weapons.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/39261963/ns/...ts-player_news/

Kyle Orton completed 25-of-35 passes for 307 yards and two touchdowns in the Broncos' Week 2 victory over Seattle.

Orton is making a strong case to be a QB1. Six different receivers caught at least two of Orton's passes, with Demaryius Thomas racking up 8 receptions. The rookie's emergence as a legitimate threat only helps boost Orton's fantasy value. It's also important to note the QB Tim Tebow did not see a single snap. Orton heads into a Week 3 matchup against the Colts as a borderline QB1.

 

[damageinc]

Kyle Orton: Man on Fire

Posted Mon Sep 20th by Kyle

Kyle Orton is on an epic, unheard-of hot streak. And if you get your Broncos news from the national media, it’ll remain unheard-of (both SI’s Peter King and Yahoo’s Michael Silver make absolutely no mention of the Broncos in their Monday NFL columns).

But MaxDenver.com’s Andrew Mason breaks down Orton’s impressive pace –

4,816: Season passing yardage that Orton is on pace to achieve after two games. Going back to Week 17 of last year, Orton has averaged 344.3 yards in his last three games. Prior to this stretch, he had never averaged more than 300 yards per game for any three-game period of his career; his best three-game average before now came between Weeks 4-6 of last year, when he averaged 267.3 yards per game. The Broncos won all three games.

Broncos PR gent Patrick Smyth adds that Orton leads the NFL in both passing yards (1,033) and 25-yard passes (12) in that three-week span that includes Week 17 of last year.

Orton is silencing his critics and returning to the form that made him a dark horse MVP candidate through six games a year ago — only better. With the emergence of at least four starting-caliber wide receivers, how far can Kyle take these Broncos?

 

[switz]

I wasn't saying if Orton ends up in the 8-12 range, you would be getting poor value or you should not be happy with that. That would be good value, to be sure. I don't think that is anywhere near a sure thing, but that's another issue. It's not, however, the kind of "sexy high upside QB" thing that I'm speaking of though. If that isn't clear enough, I'm talking about having the upside to be a clear top 10 guy that you want to start every or most weeks. He has almost no shot at being a Top 5ish QB, and even finishing as a second tier, 5-10 type guy seems like a stretch to me.

We'll see when the season is over... of course where he finishes in your FF league will depend on it's scoring system. But Orton has throughout his career showed flashes of the ability to be a top-5 QB, he's been through some awful OCs, terrible coaching, no WRs etc. and now if finally in the second year of a decent QB-friendly system.He's currently #6 in yards, ahead of "sexy high upside QB"s like Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees (based on avg per game), Matt Ryan, or McNabb

He's tied for 10th in passing TDs...

So unless you have some unreal scoring system, he's probably already a top-10 QB in your league, which means unless you play in an 8-team league, he's a guy you are starting every week. I don't know whether he'll throw enough TDs to break into the top-5, but I can see him easily finishing around the top-10, and being a guy you start more likely than not.

 

[gotmooch]

No comments after yesterday's performance? Orton threw for more yards yesterday than Garrard has in the first 3 weeks (comparisons were made earlier in the thread). Just sayin.....

Denver was awful in the red zone yesterday, but I'm very optimistic about Orton's fantasy numbers going forward (especially with yardage bonuses). And with the receivers they have, the TDs will come. Not bad for a 9th round fantasy pick. He looks comfortable in the pocket and his O-Line is giving him all day to throw.

 

[cubbie5150]

Yep, Orton does look like a weekly starter, at least he is in leagues w/ 12 or more teams. I drafted him very late to be my backup, and his performance is making me strongly consider trading Rodgers as I need help at WR pretty badly.

 

[switz]

No comments after yesterday's performance? Orton threw for more yards yesterday than Garrard has in the first 3 weeks (comparisons were made earlier in the thread). Just sayin.....Denver was awful in the red zone yesterday, but I'm very optimistic about Orton's fantasy numbers going forward (especially with yardage bonuses). And with the receivers they have, the TDs will come. Not bad for a 9th round fantasy pick. He looks comfortable in the pocket and his O-Line is giving him all day to throw.

One thing is sure... As long as Moreno is out, Orton will be throwing A LOT. Maroney and CBuck looked awful IMO.Orton needs to make some better decisions to make the next step, he does at times, but needs to be more consistent. Saw a bleacher report post saying the Broncos should start Tebow because Orton threw only 1 TD and had the pick. That's laughable. Give him a semblance of a running game, and it will be easier to convert in the red zone.Orton is MUCH better than many think. Oh, and BTW, the passing yardage record he broke was neither Elway's nor Cutler's. Surprising isn't it?

 

[Resident A]

I traded for Orton 2 days ago & started him this week, I couldn't be happier. I had a gut feeling I wouldn't be able to get Orton w/o overpaying if I waited until after the Indy game, turns out I was right.

Indy was a top pass-D & he threw for almost 500 yards. Another TD would've been nice, but I can't complain. It seems the Denver pass offense may be matchup-proof.

I'm seeing definite top-10 for the year. He'll be my starter most weeks going forward.

 

[TheFanatic]

I benched him for Favre this week. Never again. I though that Favre would feast on the Lions. Orton is getting the nod from here on out...

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

Too bad LHucks didn't post his poll this past week.