Kyren Lacy - LSU Receiver Seemingly Framed For Manslaughter By Police (3 Viewers)

[rockaction]

Kind of don't know that I can do this justice but this is about to be a powder keg. A young man was accused by police of causing a fatal cra\sh and a hit and run. This is crazy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl/article-15161297/kyren-lacy-lawyer-crash-video-suicide.html (basics of story)

https://lsureveille.com/264739/sports/kyren-lacys-attorney-releases-new-info-about-fatal-crash/ (wintess coaching)

This is the lawyer with surveillance camera footage and an interview that is almost definitely exonerating evidence

His lawyer totally fought for him. It's here.

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[rockaction]

This is unbelievable. Insane. This looks like the most corrupt thing I might have ever seen.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

i read this last night and was absolutely sick to my stomach

 

[rockaction]

This lawyer is keeping his cool way more than I ever could.

I seriously could not live in the South. I just could not. I'm sure it has its merits. It's not for me.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Not surprising. I do business in this area and am very familiar with La Fourche parish and LSP practices. "Down the Bayou" is a very unique area and racism still thrives and is largely accepted. 15 years ago there were still segregated public facilities in some of the small towns down there.

 

[rockaction]

Not surprising. I do business in this area and am very familiar with La Fourche parish and LSP practices. "Down the Bayou" is a very unique area and racism still thrives and is largely accepted. 15 years ago there were still segregated public facilities in some of the small towns down there.

Whoa. Those must have been some business trips.

Yeah, I mean, I got the subtext and why it was most likely happening. But that seems pretty brazen. Not seems. The guy had his body cam on. I know there were stories they lost it or something so I'm not sure how that winds up splayed all over television, but it did. I don't know if you watched the interview the lawyer did with the television station, but there was—and I was going to refrain from saying it—a chilling deference by the lawyer to everything and everyone, including the crazily corrupt police. I think his quote was something along the lines that he just wanted to know about the inconsistencies in the state police's report and the DA's findings and that it wasn't his intention to paint anybody as a "bad guy."

I don't know. Those police were downright evil.

 

[Mitchie]

A couple thoughts:

1) Without video evidence would've prob got away with it, think about how many times things like this happened prior to video evidence being available, really hard to fathom.

2) Kyren Lacy killed himself even knowing he was innocent, seems that he somehow thought that he would spend a long time in prison and he saw no hope of the truth coming out, this is a bit mind boggling as well.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I think the NFL has some blame here too. They banned him from the combine and destroyed his draft stock before any due process was done. Goodell playing judge in these situations needs to end immediately. I hope they go after him too.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Is there any blow back on the cops or the DA yet?

 

[Ilov80s]

A couple thoughts:

1) Without video evidence would've prob got away with it, think about how many times things like this happened prior to video evidence being available, really hard to fathom.

2) Kyren Lacy killed himself even knowing he was innocent, seems that he somehow thought that he would spend a long time in prison and he saw no hope of the truth coming out, this is a bit mind boggling as well.

JFC I didn’t know this kid took his own life. Sickening.

 

[Ilov80s]

Sure does call into question just about everything the Louisiana State Police have done. This surely wasn’t just a one time thing.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Why did the cops even do this?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Why did the cops even do this?

He was black

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Why did the cops even do this?

He was black

But I don’t understand from these articles who they were trying to help.

 

[rockaction]

A couple thoughts:

1) Without video evidence would've prob got away with it, think about how many times things like this happened prior to video evidence being available, really hard to fathom.

2) Kyren Lacy killed himself even knowing he was innocent, seems that he somehow thought that he would spend a long time in prison and he saw no hope of the truth coming out, this is a bit mind boggling as well.

You know what’s truly and utterly horrid? I watched that whole 45 minute television interview. The lawyer actually got the biggest gift from the DAs office and you could tell he had tried to ease the young man’s mind but it was to no avail. I got the feeling that the DA investigated as quickly as they could because by the defense lawyer’s claim you can tell that he thought even before they gave him all that stuff (you can tell the lawyer appreciated the too -late exoneration the DA handed him) he thought they stood a real chance with the grand jury and with the materials from the state he says the grand jury never would have been okay with charging Kyren. And I don’t think it’s hard at all normally to convince a grand jury to allow you to charge in you’re a DA.

Anyway, if the young man could have held out or had hope. This isn’t even sad. What the police did was deliberate and evil.

 

[culdeus]

Insane.

 

[culdeus]

Among other things this is huge reason to for sure have a dashcam. They are so incredibly affordable

 

[rockaction]

Why did the cops even do this?

He was black

But I don’t understand from these articles who they were trying to help.

I had and have the same question. But I think we’re coming from an entirely different moral framework. It’s like jihad to me. I can’t relate to it but I can kill the practitioner without remorse.

The police might have been helping the people at fault for the death of the guy who got hit head on. They did ultimately wind up killing a guy. It could also be just racial. I always make the mistake of underestimating how utterly and insanely evil some people can be, especially authority acting that freely, callously, and when you think about it, tyrannically.

 

[culdeus]

It is hard to understand from that local news video what the DA thought may have happened. They more or less were saying he crossed into the incoming traffic to pass someone, and this forced someone in the oncoming lane to swerve into the other lane?

 

[rockaction]

Why did the cops even do this?

He was black

But I don’t understand from these articles who they were trying to help.

I looked and read most of the ones that covered the lawyers new evidence. I think this is all new and everybody is kind of wondering what the police were thinking. I think this is gonna get much more media attention than it has up until now. I get the feeling this turned national.

 

[rockaction]

It is hard to understand from that local news video what the DA thought may have happened. They more or less were saying he crossed into the incoming traffic to pass someone, and this forced someone in the oncoming lane to swerve into the other lane?

Wait. I think I need to figure out why and when the DA pretty much exonerated the kid and hung the police out to dry

 

[rockaction]

I think I need to get the facts of the case and the procedural and timeline stuff down before I can really figure out anything.

 

[Mitchie]

Why did the cops even do this?

He was black

But I don’t understand from these articles who they were trying to help.

Just pure speculating, but if I had to guess off top of my head, person who was responsible was friends with the cop or another cop

 

[El Floppo]

I think I need to get the facts of the case and the procedural and timeline stuff down before I can really figure out anything.

This.

I cant figure out when his lawyer knew all this stuff. I get the sense it all came to light after the suicide as the DA sent their comments and then he dug into things...but i dont know.

 

[Desert_Power]

I think I need to get the facts of the case and the procedural and timeline stuff down before I can really figure out anything.

This.

I cant figure out when his lawyer knew all this stuff. I get the sense it all came to light after the suicide as the DA sent their comments and then he dug into things...but i dont know.

Based on this clip, seemed like his lawyer knew some or all of this before he passed.

Whole thing is a crazy story, but good on the lawyer for continuing to fight.

 

[culdeus]

So you can get a hit and run charge without actually hitting anything. Neat.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

The DA clip came across my social feed just a couple days ago. Unbelievable.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Why did the cops even do this?

He was black

But I don’t understand from these articles who they were trying to help.

anyone who isn't black, most likely

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Why did the cops even do this?

He was black

But I don’t understand from these articles who they were trying to help.

Just pure speculating, but if I had to guess off top of my head, person who was responsible was friends with the cop or another cop

That's what it sounds like to me. I hope they dive into this to see if any kind of relationship exists.

From the clip, it sounds like the DA did everything correctly and handed over the evidence that would exonerate Kyren Lacy. No cover up on their part. Although I do wonder if they could have just thrown this all out before the grand jury happened? Maybe some of our lawyerly FBG's can chime in?

 

[rockaction]

I think I need to get the facts of the case and the procedural and timeline stuff down before I can really figure out anything.

This.

I cant figure out when his lawyer knew all this stuff. I get the sense it all came to light after the suicide as the DA sent their comments and then he dug into things...but i dont know.

Yeah, I had trouble placing when it was sent. I actually think Counselor Ory did quite an admirable job of being composed enough to present his evidence to the television host. I think he's fighting a whole ****-ton of abjectly rotten injustice and is likely appealing to a reasonably good-sized contingent of people who don't see the young man with anything but hatred and degradation anyway. I get the distinct feeling that even if that sort of . . . not quite rude abruptness and quickness are typical of Mr. Ory, his slightly hyper persona is because he knows the sort of dehumanization and evil outlook it takes to do this, and not only is he trying to convince anybody who still cares about justice, he's probably in constant fight or flight mode in that area. I feel for him also.

 

[culdeus]

Looking at the overhead it is one of those undivided multi lane roads that just cause so much of this type of thing. A great family near us lost all their lives when someone crossed a center line just like this.

Not sure why we can't put a rumble or ramp strip in the center stripe as a rule. That is how it is manage in much of Europe.

The sooner we get self driving cars the better. They can at least stay in their lane.

 

[Runkle]

Is there any blow back on the cops or the DA yet?

Probably looking at a two-week paid suspension

 

[Navin Johnson]

Why did the cops even do this?

He was black

But I don’t understand from these articles who they were trying to help.

Help? These are police we are talking about, right?

 

[Desert_Power]

I was thinking about the suicide. I assume shooting a gun off while on bail would get him back in jail. So apparently he ran making everything worse. So even if he was innocent of the initial charges, he would be in serious trouble after this gun incident. Very sad.

There is also the social media aspect where apparently some of the Barstool goons where going after him too.

 

[djmich]

So two cars crashed and they charged this guy with a crime? Like, was there any evidence lol

 

[GroveDiesel]

It is hard to understand from that local news video what the DA thought may have happened. They more or less were saying he crossed into the incoming traffic to pass someone, and this forced someone in the oncoming lane to swerve into the other lane?

From what I can glean, they painted it as he passed 4 cars and was in the lane of oncoming traffic forcing the gold pickup truck to slam on his brakes and swerve which caused the car behind the truck to slam on their brakes and swerve into oncoming traffic to avoid the pickup truck. The car behind the pickup truck then slammed head on into the older gentleman who died.

What seems most likely to me is:

-Lacy illegally passed 4 cars by driving in the lane of oncoming traffic. He did have time to get back over into the proper lane and did so with enough time.

-The gold pickup truck was going fairly slow but then tapped the brakes a bit seeing Lacy in his lane passing the cars in order to give plenty of time for Lacy to get back over

-The car following the gold pickup truck was driving much faster than the pickup truck and was following too close. Betting the driver wasn’t paying close enough attention either and when the truck tapped his brakes, she had to slam hers on and swerved into oncoming traffic and hit the other car head on.

I think it was ultimately the woman’s fault.

But, maybe this is controversial, but I can kind of see how the police would get there. If you’ve ever been driving on a two lane road and had some impatient kid go flying by a bunch of cars illegally into oncoming traffic and puckered your butt a bit just praying nobody dies, I think you could see how easy it would be to envision some young kid in a flashy car doing that causing a chain reaction where the oncoming vehicle had to slam their brakes on and someone ends up dead as cars start swerving around.

Some of the data his lawyer is providing I’m not sure is as meaningful as he makes it seem without more info. He kept emphasizing that Lacy was 72 yards behind when the accident happened and he hammers how fast the gold truck and the car were driving, but how fast was Lacy going? Thr stopping distance of a 2023 Charger at 60 mph is about 35 yards under ideal circumstances. If another vehicle is coming at you at 25 mph, that 72 yards would be eaten up really quickly, especially if Lacy wasn’t slamming on his brakes trying to get to a complete stop.

Don’t get me wrong, again, it seems clear from the data and what the truck driver said that the woman was driving too close and because of that had to swerve when he braked and she went into oncoming traffic and killed a man. But I also think it’s likely that Lacy contributed to the accident with his reckless driving causing the truck driver to need to brake out of nervousness/caution.

The charges though were going way too far. Jalen Carter was WAY more responsible for the death of 2 people and got a wrist slap.

 

[culdeus]

It is hard to understand from that local news video what the DA thought may have happened. They more or less were saying he crossed into the incoming traffic to pass someone, and this forced someone in the oncoming lane to swerve into the other lane?

From what I can glean, they painted it as he passed 4 cars and was in the lane of oncoming traffic forcing the gold pickup truck to slam on his brakes and swerve which caused the car behind the truck to slam on their brakes and swerve into oncoming traffic to avoid the pickup truck. The car behind the pickup truck then slammed head on into the older gentleman who died.

What seems most likely to me is:

-Lacy illegally passed 4 cars by driving in the lane of oncoming traffic. He did have time to get back over into the proper lane and did so with enough time.

-The gold pickup truck was going fairly slow but then tapped the brakes a bit seeing Lacy in his lane passing the cars in order to give plenty of time for Lacy to get back over

-The car following the gold pickup truck was driving much faster than the pickup truck and was following too close. Betting the driver wasn’t paying close enough attention either and when the truck tapped his brakes, she had to slam hers on and swerved into oncoming traffic and hit the other car head on.

I think it was ultimately the woman’s fault.

But, maybe this is controversial, but I can kind of see how the police would get there. If you’ve ever been driving on a two lane road and had some impatient kid go flying by a bunch of cars illegally into oncoming traffic and puckered your butt a bit just praying nobody dies, I think you could see how easy it would be to envision some young kid in a flashy car doing that causing a chain reaction where the oncoming vehicle had to slam their brakes on and someone ends up dead as cars start swerving around.

Some of the data his lawyer is providing I’m not sure is as meaningful as he makes it seem without more info. He kept emphasizing that Lacy was 72 yards behind when the accident happened and he hammers how fast the gold truck and the car were driving, but how fast was Lacy going? Thr stopping distance of a 2023 Charger at 60 mph is about 35 yards under ideal circumstances. If another vehicle is coming at you at 25 mph, that 72 yards would be eaten up really quickly, especially if Lacy wasn’t slamming on his brakes trying to get to a complete stop.

Don’t get me wrong, again, it seems clear from the data and what the truck driver said that the woman was driving too close and because of that had to swerve when he braked and she went into oncoming traffic and killed a man. But I also think it’s likely that Lacy contributed to the accident with his reckless driving causing the truck driver to need to brake out of nervousness/caution.

The charges though were going way too far. Jalen Carter was WAY more responsible for the death of 2 people and got a wrist slap.

So the tailgating car went 100% on the brakes and turned the wheel 75 degrees in a half second. Here's my guess, that car was on their phone and not holding the wheel, hit the brakes and the wheel when hard over before they could get control. I assume 75 degrees is 75 degrees off center and not 15 off center.

 

[Mitchie]

It is hard to understand from that local news video what the DA thought may have happened. They more or less were saying he crossed into the incoming traffic to pass someone, and this forced someone in the oncoming lane to swerve into the other lane?

From what I can glean, they painted it as he passed 4 cars and was in the lane of oncoming traffic forcing the gold pickup truck to slam on his brakes and swerve which caused the car behind the truck to slam on their brakes and swerve into oncoming traffic to avoid the pickup truck. The car behind the pickup truck then slammed head on into the older gentleman who died.

What seems most likely to me is:

-Lacy illegally passed 4 cars by driving in the lane of oncoming traffic. He did have time to get back over into the proper lane and did so with enough time.

-The gold pickup truck was going fairly slow but then tapped the brakes a bit seeing Lacy in his lane passing the cars in order to give plenty of time for Lacy to get back over

-The car following the gold pickup truck was driving much faster than the pickup truck and was following too close. Betting the driver wasn’t paying close enough attention either and when the truck tapped his brakes, she had to slam hers on and swerved into oncoming traffic and hit the other car head on.

I think it was ultimately the woman’s fault.

But, maybe this is controversial, but I can kind of see how the police would get there. If you’ve ever been driving on a two lane road and had some impatient kid go flying by a bunch of cars illegally into oncoming traffic and puckered your butt a bit just praying nobody dies, I think you could see how easy it would be to envision some young kid in a flashy car doing that causing a chain reaction where the oncoming vehicle had to slam their brakes on and someone ends up dead as cars start swerving around.

Some of the data his lawyer is providing I’m not sure is as meaningful as he makes it seem without more info. He kept emphasizing that Lacy was 72 yards behind when the accident happened and he hammers how fast the gold truck and the car were driving, but how fast was Lacy going? Thr stopping distance of a 2023 Charger at 60 mph is about 35 yards under ideal circumstances. If another vehicle is coming at you at 25 mph, that 72 yards would be eaten up really quickly, especially if Lacy wasn’t slamming on his brakes trying to get to a complete stop.

Don’t get me wrong, again, it seems clear from the data and what the truck driver said that the woman was driving too close and because of that had to swerve when he braked and she went into oncoming traffic and killed a man. But I also think it’s likely that Lacy contributed to the accident with his reckless driving causing the truck driver to need to brake out of nervousness/caution.

The charges though were going way too far. Jalen Carter was WAY more responsible for the death of 2 people and got a wrist slap.

The body cam shows the cop telling the witness what to write down even as the witness is saying that's not what happened. That's how "the police got there".

 

[rockaction]

This post was very speculative. I'm sort of just trying to figure things out. I'm going to try and verify these factual claims in order to make my reasoning backed by iron-clad stuff. But we do know, if the video is not manipulated or AI, that Kyren came nowhere near causing that accident and that police officer was tellng the witness what to write on the witness's statement and that the person looked at the police officer and said that the woman tailgating him caused the accident.

Anyway, here's the post.

Did anybody see Kyren Lacy way BEHIND the accident and going by the scene very slowly (the video was in slo-mo, apparently). I didn’t pay too much attention to the data. You didn’t need to draw a conclusion from that. I mean, the cars are ahead of him in the video, yet the police report says that Kyren’s passing of the cars caused the accident. eta* Most people are interpreting this part of the presentation that Lacy was driving recklessly but had stopped drivin recklessly way before the crash, and I honestly have no idea what happened or what the police claims are vs. what is claimed by the lawyer. That's pretty huge.

The second confusing thing is the report by the DA's office that Kyren's lawyer goes on at length about during the interview. The DA's report that the lawyer has is, I think he says, apparently a mandatory investigation of the crime by the DA's office who is charging the person with said crime (weird, huh?). It is a reconstruction of the scene with data obtained by the government from what the lawyer, Ory, calls "a black box" (a touch confusingly), and that "black box" data, along with other evidence the DA gathers is presented to the grand jury (one assumes usually by the DA in order to get the grand jury to say yes to the charges). This is usually perfunctory, if I recall correctly. Very few criminal cases stop at a grand jury and the reports on guilt or innocence usually reflect that. But here, we have a stunning development. There is a borderline exoneration of Kyren Lacy from the charges against him when the report states in very plain and unambiguous language that Kyren Lacy was not the cause of the wreck.

I think the lawyer is using this data and report because a) that conclusion by the DA is eye-opening, but also b) because he is anticipating the Louisiana State Police attacking the DA report (for reasons I will illuminate in a moment), which is not really here nor there for our casual purposes, given that Ory has video of both the accident and of the police suborning perjury from witnesses and participants in the accident. So he could just stop there, but I don't think this is just for us. The lawyer, Ory, is brilliant to do what he is doing, even if at first it is more confusing and extraneous than need be. Why is he focused on or even bothering with the government report? Kyren Lacy is dead and there are no more charges, so the only thing that would seem to matter is public opinion, and Ory just had a TV station broadcast, all over Louisiana, the videos of both the accident and the guy saying it was the woman's fault to the police. Kyren is no longer on trial, point made, kid's innocent, right?

So why the digressions into extraneous evidence UNLESS there are civil and criminal cases to come against the police (I think that's almost inevitable) and maybe even the woman (unlikely). Well, the police, if they are put on civil or criminal trial , are likely going to attack the DAs office and its accident reconstruction, data, and conclusion; they’re going to try and prevent the video evidence of the wreck from getting to a jury; and they will do the same with the body cam footage (especially if Ory got it illicitly).

This whole thing seems confusing, but I think he’s already working the civil trial to come. Just a feeling I have, but his somewhat unnecessary forays into data and a few other things anticipate very good lawyers defending the Louisiana State Police and those who were involved in the frame-up and cover-up from civil and criminal liability. Note the lawyer says that the police are “not bad guys” but in the next breath mentions “accountability.”

That ain’t no accident nor loose usage. He goin’ after them civilly and hoping the DA goes after them criminally. (A guess!)

I think I have my facts right. Other people are confusing me and I’ve realized that I paid attention to fifty minutes of content and they didn’t. If you watched the video and spent time with it then please correct me if I am mistaken. I will gladly re-watch, read, or read and watch again.

 

[rockaction]

I would urge everybody who would spend half an hour reading other people and commenting to just watch the video and then read the thread. Pay attention to it. I think my last comment is actually a good one if I have the facts straight. I’m not being cocky or arrogant; I was wondering why the lawyer would say certain things or wtf he said that for, etc.

I think he’s already covering his litigation bases. I could be wrong, but the DA issuing that report and that conclusion?

Does that sound like this is a shut case to anybody? In either the DA or lawyer’s mind?

I am really skeptical Kyren Lacy simply gets his name cleared and that is the end of everything.

 

[rockaction]

I am doing a quick check. I think the police better come up with something concrete and game-changing in response to this other than smearing the kid, his family, or the lawyer. They seem to have lost the NY Post and they simply reiterated their original position to Fox News. Fellas, that's your golden ticket right there. Don't get stuck on Free Parking.

I think there are a few police officers in Louisiana that are not sleeping well and there are some superiors in the State Police about to distance themselves from some people who aren't quite so superior.

Maybe the lawyer did something dishonest with the video, or he's lying, or he used AI, or maybe he has something on the DA that would get the entire DA's office in trouble. I don't know. All of those sound fantastical. I am, as I am wont to do in general, going with Occam.

 

[rockaction]

I just sat with ChatGPT for a half an hour. I had some serious questions. This is not necessarily bueno in the least. Holy crap. Okay sat with ChapGPT for another hour and thought of a lot of interesting stuff. Damn another hour. I thought of several things and all of those things point to cooperation in some way with the DA's office, and it doesn't seem like a leak.

 

[rockaction]

This is really freaking weird.

Okay this is ****ing crazy. Something is so ****ing whacked here This is what the DA, Kristine Russell does as community outreach . I am convinced she gave Ory all that evidence under the guise of mandatory production of evidence if the defense requests it. They're in a 88% Republican parish and she ran as unaffiliated and then stressed that she was going to be a "victim-centered" prosecutor who would discourage jail time for first-time non-violent offenders, that her office would be initiating mental health initiatives, and her focus would be on community outreach.

But man, if you look at the sentences handed down in her parish, it's like holy ****.

But conservatives do not oversee programs that "celebrat[e] the inaugural closing ceremony of a unique, transformative learning experience that puts university students in a new classroom setting with incarcerated students to study social issues . . . [and] discuss a wide range of topics centered arond criminal justice."

The stuff that the sheriff and others say about it and how they refer to it is really striking and almost mind-blowing. This is in Louisiana.

Nicholls Students, Lafourche Inmates Come Together for Unique Program - Nicholls News

THIBODAUX, La. — Nicholls State University and the Lafourche Parish Sheriff’s Office recently celebrated the inaugural closing ceremony of a unique, transformative learning experience that puts university students in a new classroom setting with incarcerated students to study social issues. The...

www.nicholls.edu

_______________________________________________

So Matt Ory, Kyren Lacy's lawyer, and the DA both went to Nicholas State, although it doesn't prove much as it is the local college. They also live in the same town of Thibodaux, LA, Pop.16,000. They are both very active in town. Matt Ory is the grandson of segregationist Democrat Clarence "Taddy" Aycock, who was Lt. Governor of Louisiana during the '60s. He is president of the Colonel Athletic Association and also president of the Louisiana Baseball Academy and started a non-profit called ThiboGROW, which a 501(c)3 aimed at growing and revitalizing downtown Thibodaux. He's definitely a resident and owns property and businesses in town, which makes me think that is even odder.

Okay, back to the case. Now check the police description of the accident. They have him on a two-lane road. GOING THE OTHER WAY from the woman in the car and the guy in the truck. Tell me if I’m wrong. That's how I'm reading this. Ory isn't being clear enough to the press that Lacy is going the same way that the cars that police are claiming had to dodge him head-on were going. That's impossible. Police statement here.

'The investigation revealed that the crash occurred as a 2023 Dodge Charger was traveling south on LA Hwy 20. The driver of the Dodge Charger, later identified as 24-year-old Kyren Lacy of Thibodaux, recklessly passed multiple vehicles at a high rate of speed by crossing the centerline and entering the northbound lane while in a designated No-Passing Zone.
As Lacy was illegally passing the other vehicles, the driver of a northbound lane pickup truck abruptly braked and swerved to the right to avoid a head-on collision with the approaching Dodge.
Traveling behind the pickup truck was a Kia Cadenza whose driver swerved left to avoid the oncoming Dodge Charger. As the Kia Cadenza took evasive action to avoid impact with the Dodge, it crossed the centerline and collided head-on with a southbound Kia Sorrento.'

Huh?

This is really freaking weird.

 

[HellToupee]

seriously could not live in the South. I just could not. I'm sure it has its merits. It's not for me.

This isn’t a southern thing . Look at the Karen Read case in Canton MA and the state police. Then follow that up with Sandra Birchmore with a lot of the same cast of characters. This 2 cases have been a real eye opener for me

 

[rockaction]

seriously could not live in the South. I just could not. I'm sure it has its merits. It's not for me.

This isn’t a southern thing . Look at the Karen Read case in Canton MA and the state police. Then follow that up with Sandra Birchmore with a lot of the same cast of characters. This 2 cases have been a real eye opener for me

I gotcha, but I wasn’t getting necessarily at unaccountable state power; I was getting at the sort of tradition of the almost original two-tiered justice system in a democracy. It still lives on in ugliness. I'd really rather not be around it.

 

[culdeus]

This post was very speculative. I'm sort of just trying to figure things out. I'm going to try and verify these factual claims in order to make my reasoning backed by iron-clad stuff. But we do know, if the video is not manipulated or AI, that Kyren came nowhere near causing that accident and that police officer was tellng the witness what to write on the witness's statement and that the person looked at the police officer and said that the woman tailgating him caused the accident.

Anyway, here's the post.

Did anybody see Kyren Lacy way BEHIND the accident and going by the scene very slowly (the video was in slo-mo, apparently). I didn’t pay too much attention to the data. You didn’t need to draw a conclusion from that. I mean, the cars are ahead of him in the video, yet the police report says that Kyren’s passing of the cars caused the accident. eta* Most people are interpreting this part of the presentation that Lacy was driving recklessly but had stopped drivin recklessly way before the crash, and I honestly have no idea what happened or what the police claims are vs. what is claimed by the lawyer. That's pretty huge.

The second confusing thing is the report by the DA's office that Kyren's lawyer goes on at length about during the interview. The DA's report that the lawyer has is, I think he says, apparently a mandatory investigation of the crime by the DA's office who is charging the person with said crime (weird, huh?). It is a reconstruction of the scene with data obtained by the government from what the lawyer, Ory, calls "a black box" (a touch confusingly), and that "black box" data, along with other evidence the DA gathers is presented to the grand jury (one assumes usually by the DA in order to get the grand jury to say yes to the charges). This is usually perfunctory, if I recall correctly. Very few criminal cases stop at a grand jury and the reports on guilt or innocence usually reflect that. But here, we have a stunning development. There is a borderline exoneration of Kyren Lacy from the charges against him when the report states in very plain and unambiguous language that Kyren Lacy was not the cause of the wreck.

I think the lawyer is using this data and report because a) that conclusion by the DA is eye-opening, but also b) because he is anticipating the Louisiana State Police attacking the DA report (for reasons I will illuminate in a moment), which is not really here nor there for our casual purposes, given that Ory has video of both the accident and of the police suborning perjury from witnesses and participants in the accident. So he could just stop there, but I don't think this is just for us. The lawyer, Ory, is brilliant to do what he is doing, even if at first it is more confusing and extraneous than need be. Why is he focused on or even bothering with the government report? Kyren Lacy is dead and there are no more charges, so the only thing that would seem to matter is public opinion, and Ory just had a TV station broadcast, all over Louisiana, the videos of both the accident and the guy saying it was the woman's fault to the police. Kyren is no longer on trial, point made, kid's innocent, right?

So why the digressions into extraneous evidence UNLESS there are civil and criminal cases to come against the police (I think that's almost inevitable) and maybe even the woman (unlikely). Well, the police, if they are put on civil or criminal trial , are likely going to attack the DAs office and its accident reconstruction, data, and conclusion; they’re going to try and prevent the video evidence of the wreck from getting to a jury; and they will do the same with the body cam footage (especially if Ory got it illicitly).

This whole thing seems confusing, but I think he’s already working the civil trial to come. Just a feeling I have, but his somewhat unnecessary forays into data and a few other things anticipate very good lawyers defending the Louisiana State Police and those who were involved in the frame-up and cover-up from civil and criminal liability. Note the lawyer says that the police are “not bad guys” but in the next breath mentions “accountability.”

That ain’t no accident nor loose usage. He goin’ after them civilly and hoping the DA goes after them criminally. (A guess!)

I think I have my facts right. Other people are confusing me and I’ve realized that I paid attention to fifty minutes of content and they didn’t. If you watched the video and spent time with it then please correct me if I am mistaken. I will gladly re-watch, read, or read and watch again.

The northbound kia data is important here. They will do reconstruction of things like this to show whether or not hands can turn a wheel that fast.

Otherwise the data they have isn't all that useful.

 

[Juxtatarot]

This post was very speculative. I'm sort of just trying to figure things out. I'm going to try and verify these factual claims in order to make my reasoning backed by iron-clad stuff. But we do know, if the video is not manipulated or AI, that Kyren came nowhere near causing that accident and that police officer was tellng the witness what to write on the witness's statement and that the person looked at the police officer and said that the woman tailgating him caused the accident.

Anyway, here's the post.

Did anybody see Kyren Lacy way BEHIND the accident and going by the scene very slowly (the video was in slo-mo, apparently). I didn’t pay too much attention to the data. You didn’t need to draw a conclusion from that. I mean, the cars are ahead of him in the video, yet the police report says that Kyren’s passing of the cars caused the accident. eta* Most people are interpreting this part of the presentation that Lacy was driving recklessly but had stopped drivin recklessly way before the crash, and I honestly have no idea what happened or what the police claims are vs. what is claimed by the lawyer. That's pretty huge.

The second confusing thing is the report by the DA's office that Kyren's lawyer goes on at length about during the interview. The DA's report that the lawyer has is, I think he says, apparently a mandatory investigation of the crime by the DA's office who is charging the person with said crime (weird, huh?). It is a reconstruction of the scene with data obtained by the government from what the lawyer, Ory, calls "a black box" (a touch confusingly), and that "black box" data, along with other evidence the DA gathers is presented to the grand jury (one assumes usually by the DA in order to get the grand jury to say yes to the charges). This is usually perfunctory, if I recall correctly. Very few criminal cases stop at a grand jury and the reports on guilt or innocence usually reflect that. But here, we have a stunning development. There is a borderline exoneration of Kyren Lacy from the charges against him when the report states in very plain and unambiguous language that Kyren Lacy was not the cause of the wreck.

I think the lawyer is using this data and report because a) that conclusion by the DA is eye-opening, but also b) because he is anticipating the Louisiana State Police attacking the DA report (for reasons I will illuminate in a moment), which is not really here nor there for our casual purposes, given that Ory has video of both the accident and of the police suborning perjury from witnesses and participants in the accident. So he could just stop there, but I don't think this is just for us. The lawyer, Ory, is brilliant to do what he is doing, even if at first it is more confusing and extraneous than need be. Why is he focused on or even bothering with the government report? Kyren Lacy is dead and there are no more charges, so the only thing that would seem to matter is public opinion, and Ory just had a TV station broadcast, all over Louisiana, the videos of both the accident and the guy saying it was the woman's fault to the police. Kyren is no longer on trial, point made, kid's innocent, right?

So why the digressions into extraneous evidence UNLESS there are civil and criminal cases to come against the police (I think that's almost inevitable) and maybe even the woman (unlikely). Well, the police, if they are put on civil or criminal trial , are likely going to attack the DAs office and its accident reconstruction, data, and conclusion; they’re going to try and prevent the video evidence of the wreck from getting to a jury; and they will do the same with the body cam footage (especially if Ory got it illicitly).

This whole thing seems confusing, but I think he’s already working the civil trial to come. Just a feeling I have, but his somewhat unnecessary forays into data and a few other things anticipate very good lawyers defending the Louisiana State Police and those who were involved in the frame-up and cover-up from civil and criminal liability. Note the lawyer says that the police are “not bad guys” but in the next breath mentions “accountability.”

That ain’t no accident nor loose usage. He goin’ after them civilly and hoping the DA goes after them criminally. (A guess!)

I think I have my facts right. Other people are confusing me and I’ve realized that I paid attention to fifty minutes of content and they didn’t. If you watched the video and spent time with it then please correct me if I am mistaken. I will gladly re-watch, read, or read and watch again.

The northbound kia data is important here. They will do reconstruction of things like this to show whether or not hands can turn a wheel that fast.

Otherwise the data they have isn't all that useful.

I think there’s so much weirdness here. I don’t understand what the cops are saying about the accident and I don’t get what the lawyer is saying,

Check the police statement in my post above. I think the cops were saying he almost hit the guy in the truck and the woman in the Kia head on. That means they were going the opposite direction according to police,

But they weren’t. They were all traveling the same way.

You are confusing me. Lacy and Mr. Hall were going south. Gold truck and woman tailgating (vehicle 2) were going north, right?

 

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Yeah that’s what the police are saying, right? Have you seen the video? They were going the same way unless I’m dreaming. I might be really botching this. That’s why I keep asking.

I looked up I-20. It’s one lane each way and there is no divider

I think the police are saying Lacy and those two cars were driving the opposite way. They weren’t in the video Ory showed. I’m gonna watch it again.

eta* I give up. I have no freaking idea at all. I just can't understand what they're saying and I don't get the video other than knowing he's not near them and just slows down and goes by them. And that he's behind them so . . . I have no idea.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Yeah that’s what the police are saying, right? Have you seen the video? They were going the same way unless I’m dreaming. I might be really botching this. That’s why I keep asking.

I looked up I-20. It’s one lane each way and there is no divider

I think the police are saying Lacy and those two cars were driving the opposite way. They weren’t in the video Ory showed. I’m gonna watch it again.

Yes, please rewatch. I think @GroveDiesel had the explanation above that I agree with.

 

[rockaction]

Yeah that’s what the police are saying, right? Have you seen the video? They were going the same way unless I’m dreaming. I might be really botching this. That’s why I keep asking.

I looked up I-20. It’s one lane each way and there is no divider

I think the police are saying Lacy and those two cars were driving the opposite way. They weren’t in the video Ory showed. I’m gonna watch it again.

Yes, please rewatch. I think @GroveDiesel had the explanation above that I agree with.

I did and I’m still totally flummoxed how he’s . . .

I give up and I am usually not this stupid. I can’t figure this ish out.