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Kyren Lacy - LSU Receiver Seemingly Framed For Manslaughter By Police (1 Viewer)

seriously could not live in the South. I just could not. I'm sure it has its merits. It's not for me.
This isn’t a southern thing . Look at the Karen Read case in Canton MA and the state police. Then follow that up with Sandra Birchmore with a lot of the same cast of characters. This 2 cases have been a real eye opener for me

It's amazing how it's viewed as Southern. Well, the black population of most Southeastern states is about 30% for fairly obvious reasons. But only like 5% in the Northeast states and super low in the midwest/rockies. So, yes, there are more incidents in the SE. But if you want racism it is everywhere. When I drive through West VA, Western PA, and parts of Ohio, there are way more confederate flags there than when I go to NC SC and GA. The Appalachian mountains are full of it. And when I drive through SE DC as a white dude, well, it's safe to say racism works both ways. I got a ticket for going 36 in a 35. The message .. stay outta here.
I was going to comment, but you nailed it.
 
Unless Lacy’s driving forced Funyuns to swerve to avoid being hit head on, it’s no one’s fault but Funyuns. Swerve onto the shoulder idiot. Not into oncoming traffic.
 
Morally, I place more blame on Lacy. Purposefully driving recklessly is worse than being distracted.
going to disagree with you there.

driving recklessly and distracted... or reckless to the point of adversely affecting traffic around you- I guess. but the car ahead of him and Lacy were able to slow to a stop in a controlled manner (no screeching brakes/tires), which tells me he wasn't out of control or distracted.. I can see that he caused the gold truck to slow by passing 4 cars in a no-passing area- so that's a reaction. but in and of itself, it shouldn't have had any adverse affect if funyons had been paying the attention driving 50mph on a two lane road warrants. Give me somebody driving aggressively like that vs somebody not paying attention (and I'm not a fan of aggressive drivers either).
I consider myself a pretty aggressive driver. Hard to imagine a scenario where I’d pass four cars simultaneously. To do that while cutting it close enough that cars on the other side of the road are hitting their brakes? That seems like the definition of reckless to me.
I understand your point. He merged back into his lane 100 yards clear... a football field. it's not a little- but it's also not a lot when you're on a two lane road going 50ish from opposite directions. from the video, he wasn't screeching in behind that first car to the accident- it was very controlled, which tells me he was less reckless than he was aggressive during the pass. I know I've passed multiple cars at once- hard not to if the lead car is going slow enough below the speed limit to have the cars behind it stacked too close behind. that's ime- no idea what the actual situation was here. and I know I would ever attempt such a thing if I could even see an oncoming car that wasn't far, far out.

Assuming Lacy was going 50mph (he was probably going faster as he was passing cars), and the truck was going 50 the opposite direction before hitting the brakes, I think it takes about two seconds for the cars to cover a football field. So it’s understandable that the guy in the truck hit the brakes when he saw Lacy in his lane two seconds out.
 
Morally, I place more blame on Lacy. Purposefully driving recklessly is worse than being distracted.
going to disagree with you there.

driving recklessly and distracted... or reckless to the point of adversely affecting traffic around you- I guess. but the car ahead of him and Lacy were able to slow to a stop in a controlled manner (no screeching brakes/tires), which tells me he wasn't out of control or distracted.. I can see that he caused the gold truck to slow by passing 4 cars in a no-passing area- so that's a reaction. but in and of itself, it shouldn't have had any adverse affect if funyons had been paying the attention driving 50mph on a two lane road warrants. Give me somebody driving aggressively like that vs somebody not paying attention (and I'm not a fan of aggressive drivers either).
I consider myself a pretty aggressive driver. Hard to imagine a scenario where I’d pass four cars simultaneously. To do that while cutting it close enough that cars on the other side of the road are hitting their brakes? That seems like the definition of reckless to me.
I understand your point. He merged back into his lane 100 yards clear... a football field. it's not a little- but it's also not a lot when you're on a two lane road going 50ish from opposite directions. from the video, he wasn't screeching in behind that first car to the accident- it was very controlled, which tells me he was less reckless than he was aggressive during the pass. I know I've passed multiple cars at once- hard not to if the lead car is going slow enough below the speed limit to have the cars behind it stacked too close behind. that's ime- no idea what the actual situation was here. and I know I would ever attempt such a thing if I could even see an oncoming car that wasn't far, far out.

Assuming Lacy was going 50mph (he was probably going faster as he was passing cars), and the truck was going 50 the opposite direction before hitting the brakes, I think it takes about two seconds for the cars to cover a football field. So it’s understandable that the guy in the truck hit the brakes when he saw Lacy in his lane two seconds out.
But he said he came to a controlled stop, the cop told him to say he slammed on the brakes.
 
Morally, I place more blame on Lacy. Purposefully driving recklessly is worse than being distracted.
going to disagree with you there.

driving recklessly and distracted... or reckless to the point of adversely affecting traffic around you- I guess. but the car ahead of him and Lacy were able to slow to a stop in a controlled manner (no screeching brakes/tires), which tells me he wasn't out of control or distracted.. I can see that he caused the gold truck to slow by passing 4 cars in a no-passing area- so that's a reaction. but in and of itself, it shouldn't have had any adverse affect if funyons had been paying the attention driving 50mph on a two lane road warrants. Give me somebody driving aggressively like that vs somebody not paying attention (and I'm not a fan of aggressive drivers either).
I consider myself a pretty aggressive driver. Hard to imagine a scenario where I’d pass four cars simultaneously. To do that while cutting it close enough that cars on the other side of the road are hitting their brakes? That seems like the definition of reckless to me.
I understand your point. He merged back into his lane 100 yards clear... a football field. it's not a little- but it's also not a lot when you're on a two lane road going 50ish from opposite directions. from the video, he wasn't screeching in behind that first car to the accident- it was very controlled, which tells me he was less reckless than he was aggressive during the pass. I know I've passed multiple cars at once- hard not to if the lead car is going slow enough below the speed limit to have the cars behind it stacked too close behind. that's ime- no idea what the actual situation was here. and I know I would ever attempt such a thing if I could even see an oncoming car that wasn't far, far out.

Assuming Lacy was going 50mph (he was probably going faster as he was passing cars), and the truck was going 50 the opposite direction before hitting the brakes, I think it takes about two seconds for the cars to cover a football field. So it’s understandable that the guy in the truck hit the brakes when he saw Lacy in his lane two seconds out.
But he said he came to a controlled stop, the cop told him to say he slammed on the brakes.
Okay. I’m not suggesting anything about the cop’s conduct. I’m simply saying that a football field isn’t very far at all when two cars are heading toward each other in the same lane at 50 miles an hour. Passing four cars in a no passing zone into oncoming traffic is by definition reckless. So while I think the Funyun woman was most at fault for the accident, it seems clear to me that Lacy was a cause of the accident, albeit not the only cause.

Edit: and yes, I think he was overcharged for sure.
 
Some additional video.

This shows Lacy passing the vehicles and then you can hear the crash shortly after. Unfortunately you can’t show see both Lacy’s car and the crash in the video to get perspective of how far away they were.

There is also video of the one witness talking to the police. If anyone is still wondering why the police pegged this on Lacy from the beginning, that interview with the witness I’m sure heavily influenced them. That guy put the blame 100% on Lacy.
 
Some additional video.

This shows Lacy passing the vehicles and then you can hear the crash shortly after. Unfortunately you can’t show see both Lacy’s car and the crash in the video to get perspective of how far away they were.

There is also video of the one witness talking to the police. If anyone is still wondering why the police pegged this on Lacy from the beginning, that interview with the witness I’m sure heavily influenced them. That guy put the blame 100% on Lacy.
Yeah, those videos clear a lot of this up.
 
seriously could not live in the South. I just could not. I'm sure it has its merits. It's not for me.
This isn’t a southern thing . Look at the Karen Read case in Canton MA and the state police. Then follow that up with Sandra Birchmore with a lot of the same cast of characters. This 2 cases have been a real eye opener for me

It's amazing how it's viewed as Southern. Well, the black population of most Southeastern states is about 30% for fairly obvious reasons. But only like 5% in the Northeast states and super low in the midwest/rockies. So, yes, there are more incidents in the SE. But if you want racism it is everywhere. When I drive through West VA, Western PA, and parts of Ohio, there are way more confederate flags there than when I go to NC SC and GA. The Appalachian mountains are full of it. And when I drive through SE DC as a white dude, well, it's safe to say racism works both ways. I got a ticket for going 36 in a 35. The message .. stay outta here.
I was going to comment, but you nailed it.

Some additional video.

This shows Lacy passing the vehicles and then you can hear the crash shortly after. Unfortunately you can’t show see both Lacy’s car and the crash in the video to get perspective of how far away they were.

There is also video of the one witness talking to the police. If anyone is still wondering why the police pegged this on Lacy from the beginning, that interview with the witness I’m sure heavily influenced them. That guy put the blame 100% on Lacy.
Yeah, those videos clear a lot of this up.

Does not clear up the trooper telling the witness what to write. Interesting that the state police conveniently ignore this.
 

Some additional video.

This shows Lacy passing the vehicles and then you can hear the crash shortly after. Unfortunately you can’t show see both Lacy’s car and the crash in the video to get perspective of how far away they were.

There is also video of the one witness talking to the police. If anyone is still wondering why the police pegged this on Lacy from the beginning, that interview with the witness I’m sure heavily influenced them. That guy put the blame 100% on Lacy.
Yeah, those videos clear a lot of this up.

Does not clear up the trooper telling the witness what to write. Interesting that the state police conveniently ignore this.
He didn't stay at the scene. He said his wife had to go to cancer treatments. The police already had the statements of the people who stayed. They blamed the green Charger.
 
Has anyone made connections to funyons and state police/government yet?

I still don't see a plausible explanation of gold truck "slamming" on brakes.

I was recently in a chain reaction event on 75 in Florida (stupid disney traffic) and i am the only one that hit someone somehow. And that was in the same direction
 
There is also video of the one witness talking to the police. If anyone is still wondering why the police pegged this on Lacy from the beginning, that interview with the witness I’m sure heavily influenced them. That guy put the blame 100% on Lacy.

Yeah, this guy doesn't seem to have any idea what happened. His whole dialogue of the Charger "slip through" is completely contradicted by it being behind the accident.
 
There is also video of the one witness talking to the police. If anyone is still wondering why the police pegged this on Lacy from the beginning, that interview with the witness I’m sure heavily influenced them. That guy put the blame 100% on Lacy.

Yeah, this guy doesn't seem to have any idea what happened. His whole dialogue of the Charger "slip through" is completely contradicted by it being behind the accident.
Eye witnesses are often terrible
 
Pretty much sounds like it happened like I thought it happened: ESPN story

Lacy was going 88 mph (88!!) when passing the 4 cars. No wonder the gold truck thought Lacy might hit him and braked. But still clear that the woman driving the Kia was more at fault and that Lacy was overcharged.

But 88 mph passing that many people on a 2 lane road going through town was just begging for something exactly like this to happen. What a sad unfortunate situation all around.

ETA: this is also why you can’t just take the word and evidence of one side or the other blindly. Both the troopers and the defense lawyer have manipulated things to fit their narrative.
 
Pretty much sounds like it happened like I thought it happened: ESPN story

Lacy was going 88 mph (88!!) when passing the 4 cars. No wonder the gold truck thought Lacy might hit him and braked. But still clear that the woman driving the Kia was more at fault and that Lacy was overcharged.

But 88 mph passing that many people on a 2 lane road going through town was just begging for something exactly like this to happen. What a sad unfortunate situation all around.

ETA: this is also why you can’t just take the word and evidence of one side or the other blindly. Both the troopers and the defense lawyer have manipulated things to fit their narrative.
I find it interesting to think about what the law should be in these situations. Going 88 in a 40 and illegally passing on this busy 2-lane road is so horribly dangerous. The crash would not have occurred if he were driving appropriately. I don’t know what the punishment should be for that regardless of the poor driving of the woman who hit Hall.
 
Pretty much sounds like it happened like I thought it happened: ESPN story

Lacy was going 88 mph (88!!) when passing the 4 cars. No wonder the gold truck thought Lacy might hit him and braked. But still clear that the woman driving the Kia was more at fault and that Lacy was overcharged.

But 88 mph passing that many people on a 2 lane road going through town was just begging for something exactly like this to happen. What a sad unfortunate situation all around.

ETA: this is also why you can’t just take the word and evidence of one side or the other blindly. Both the troopers and the defense lawyer have manipulated things to fit their narrative.
I'm struggling a bit with the woman Kia driver being clearly at fault and Lacy overcharged. Its pretty clear that Lacy was breaking the law and driving extremely recklessly. And that this accident wouldn't have happened if not for either of those things, which he made the conscious decision to initiate on his own. That seems pretty damning?

The funyon woman. Is there any data in terms of how closely she was tailgating (and did someone make Funyuns up or was she actually eating them while driving). People make bad decisions in split second high stake circumstances, of course this was that. But I'm trying to understand how she's more culpable for the death than the guy that decided to Dukes of Hazard a two lane road and set off this chain of events.
 
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Pretty much sounds like it happened like I thought it happened: ESPN story

Lacy was going 88 mph (88!!) when passing the 4 cars. No wonder the gold truck thought Lacy might hit him and braked. But still clear that the woman driving the Kia was more at fault and that Lacy was overcharged.

But 88 mph passing that many people on a 2 lane road going through town was just begging for something exactly like this to happen. What a sad unfortunate situation all around.

ETA: this is also why you can’t just take the word and evidence of one side or the other blindly. Both the troopers and the defense lawyer have manipulated things to fit their narrative.
I'm struggling a bit with the woman Kia driver being clearly at fault and Lacy overcharged. Its pretty clear that Lacy was breaking the law and driving extremely recklessly. And that this accident wouldn't have happened if not for either of those things, which he made the conscious decision to initiate on his own. That seems pretty damning?

The funyon woman. Is there any data in terms of how closely she was tailgating (and did someone make Funyuns up or was she actually eating them while driving). People make mad decisions in split second high stake circumstances, of course this was that. But I'm trying to understand how she's more culpable for the death than the guy that decided to Dukes of Hazard a two lane road and set off this chain of events.
I received an e-mail today from my insurance company to never swerve into on coming traffic to avoid an obstacle of any type. Always better to hit what's in front of you than what may be coming the other direction.
 
Pretty much sounds like it happened like I thought it happened: ESPN story

Lacy was going 88 mph (88!!) when passing the 4 cars. No wonder the gold truck thought Lacy might hit him and braked. But still clear that the woman driving the Kia was more at fault and that Lacy was overcharged.

But 88 mph passing that many people on a 2 lane road going through town was just begging for something exactly like this to happen. What a sad unfortunate situation all around.

ETA: this is also why you can’t just take the word and evidence of one side or the other blindly. Both the troopers and the defense lawyer have manipulated things to fit their narrative.
I'm struggling a bit with the woman Kia driver being clearly at fault and Lacy overcharged. Its pretty clear that Lacy was breaking the law and driving extremely recklessly. And that this accident wouldn't have happened if not for either of those things, which he made the conscious decision to initiate on his own. That seems pretty damning?

The funyon woman. Is there any data in terms of how closely she was tailgating (and did someone make Funyuns up or was she actually eating them while driving). People make bad decisions in split second high stake circumstances, of course this was that. But I'm trying to understand how she's more culpable for the death than the guy that decided to Dukes of Hazard a two lane road and set off this chain of events.
They have black box data that she was speeding. I don’t recall “proof” that she was tailgating although not being able to stop in time has to be either tailgating and/or being distracted. She mentioned in her statement to police that she was eating Funyuns from her lap.
 

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