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Ladell Betts (1 Viewer)
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MLBrandow
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Word is he's going to get some passes. I'm thinking '05 Pittman numbers with low ceiling, but high potential if Portis goes down
Note that Portis is back to his fragile 213 frame....
I'm handcuffing him in every draft.
Note that Portis is back to his fragile 213 frame....
I'm handcuffing him in every draft.
coolnerd
Footballguy
When has he ever been above 215? His rookie year the last time I recall him having anything resembling injury concerns he was below 200 maybe as low as 190. There was even concern that he would not be able to gain and hold weight. 213 is probabaly as big as gets without him losing quickness.
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MLBrandow
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Believe he was like 225 last year. Could be wrong.I'm not really worried, just trying to help him verify his possible concern.
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redman
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Betts is an excellent pass-catcher. He's also a solid runner between the tackles. Portis is a one-cut runner, but Betts seems better suited to simple, downhill running.
I agree that Betts is an essential handcuff for Portis, especially given where Portis is being drafted.
For whatever it's worth, it's also a contract year for Betts.
I agree that Betts is an essential handcuff for Portis, especially given where Portis is being drafted.
For whatever it's worth, it's also a contract year for Betts.
There it is
Footballguy
Betts can be had real late and cheap. Good handcuff.
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I drafted Betts in round 26 of an IDP dynasty league, its great to hear he can be a free agent next year
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MLBrandow
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In my mocks thusfar, Betts has been a FA in 12 team 16 round redrafts where I didn't take him in the last couple rounds.
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Footballguy
Your right. I just looked at 2 sites and he goes real late or undrafted.looks like a handcuff only.
One more reason that 1.04 is the best slot this year.not to get anyone "excited" just reporting something I saw.
Jesse Lumsden CFL guy, impressed Gibbs and he said he could challenge Betts. He's currently 4th on the depth chart so call it coach speak or whatever but....just getting it out there in case there's a shock later this summer.
It's moved to scout's premium section(free for a day) Roto reported this, look there or at USAToday if ya need a link
Jesse Lumsden CFL guy, impressed Gibbs and he said he could challenge Betts. He's currently 4th on the depth chart so call it coach speak or whatever but....just getting it out there in case there's a shock later this summer.
It's moved to scout's premium section(free for a day) Roto reported this, look there or at USAToday if ya need a link
There it is
Footballguy
Nice posting Bri. ThanksNot earth shattering but, from FBG blog:
http://news.footballguys.com/new/search.ph...&day2=0&year2=0
houndirish
Footballguy
I've got Betts in my dynasty league and have spent the offseason trying to package him in a trade with the Portis owner. The guy claims he isn't interested, which I find shocking, considering he was among the lower scoring teams last year and isn't loaded or deep with offensive talent.
So now I need to find a way to make room for him on my roster. I totally agree that he's an excellent handcuff for this season.
So now I need to find a way to make room for him on my roster. I totally agree that he's an excellent handcuff for this season.
There it is
Footballguy
If you propose a trade to a non Portis owner, would the Portis owner see this or is it just between the 2 owners? I think you know I'm going w/this.
Big Score
Footballguy
Just for the sake of accuracy.Portis came into the league at 205 lbs according to various player pages (NFL.com, SI.com, Ourlads etc). During the course of his two seasons in Denver, that's what he would start the season at, but over the 16 game schedule, he would drop as low as 190 to 195 lbs - according to reports.
First year with the Skins he started the season at his usual 205 lbs weight.
2nd year with the Skins (last year) he bulked up to 218 lbs after taking a pounding running behind the Gibbs / Bugel blocking scheme.
So to say...."Note that Portis is back to his fragile 213 frame"....would be incorrect.
To say..."Believe he was like 225 last year"...would also be incorrect.
The reason Portis has dropped 5 lbs from his playing weight of last year, is in direct response to the new blocking scheme Saunders is installing.
Portis believes that in the new scheme, playing at 213 lbs will be the optimum weight.
Regardless of Portis & his playing weight, Betts is a great handcuff for any Portis owner.
I wouldn't go crazy with Betts. Rock Cartwright is a coach's favorite and if Lumsden impresses in camp he could make the roster as a backup also.
If Portis were to go down, I think Cartwright and Lumsdan (if he makes the team) would get a chance. Out of the three, Lumsden is without question the most talented IMO.
Betts has no wiggle. He is a good downhill guy but that's about it.
If I'm a Portis owner I'm watching skins training camp to see how Lumsden does. 6'1", 230 with 4.4 speed is very intriguing.
If Portis were to go down, I think Cartwright and Lumsdan (if he makes the team) would get a chance. Out of the three, Lumsden is without question the most talented IMO.
Betts has no wiggle. He is a good downhill guy but that's about it.
If I'm a Portis owner I'm watching skins training camp to see how Lumsden does. 6'1", 230 with 4.4 speed is very intriguing.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Come on, Lumsden the most talented? He wasn't even drafted. No team even bothered wasting a late pick on him, he's so talented. Betts was taken in the second round. Now I realize that the draft spot doesn't mean everything but saying that Lumsden is without question the most talented is ludicrous.
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Lumsden went to a small college in Canada. He could be a good player and not get noticed up there. The Redskins' director of player scouting said that Lumsden was the fastest white player on the team, faster than Archuleta. This is at 6'1 220.Betts has been on the team since 2001. He's had ample time to show what he's got and he's nothing special. He hits inside holes hard, but misses holes to the outside. He's a pretty good short yardage guy, but he can't break long ones because of a lack of vision and wiggle.
Lumsden was at camp with the Seahawks last year but was hurt and cut.
Here are some articles mentioning the guy:
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=1822
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161178
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
fastest white player on the team
Big Score
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure Betts has been the back up to Portis the last couple of years and filled in well when called upon. Cartwright has been on the team same time as Betts, so it's clear who has been the back up in the past.
I also remember reading a quote of Saunders praising Betts and saying he could be a starter for a lot of teams and he'll find a way to get Betts touches.
I'd be surprised if Betts does not continue in his role as the main back up to Portis, but anything can happen I guess.
I also remember reading a quote of Saunders praising Betts and saying he could be a starter for a lot of teams and he'll find a way to get Betts touches.
I'd be surprised if Betts does not continue in his role as the main back up to Portis, but anything can happen I guess.
Don't forget, though, that Cartwright had a 100 some yard game last year against the Rams.
I'm not down on Betts, but he is what he is. He's been in the league since 2002 and has had 321 carries. He's a good inside runner, and he protects the ball well. As a change of pace to Portis he's good because he's a different type of runner.
However, as I've said, he doesn't change directions well or see his blocks well to the outside. You won't see him running screens or sweeps behind pulling linemen. He's pretty much north south, hit the hole fast and get as much as he can.
Cartwright has been in the league since 2002, but has seen significantly fewer carries than Betts (139). He's a short back at 5'7, and isn't especially speedy either. He sees his blocks better than Betts does from what I can tell. Cartwright has also had some trouble holding on to the ball in the past. His value to the skins is mainly as a standout special teamer.
Between Betts and Cartwright, Betts is significantly better as a receiver because of the height difference, mainly.
The important thing about Lumsden is that he's an unknown, and his measurables are very good. If Portis were to go down for a significant length of time and all three are on the roster, we pretty much know what to expect out of Betts and Cartwright. Lumsden we dont, and to me that gives him significantly more upside.
Of course, Betts would likely get the first shot as Portis' replacement, but that's not everything. We know what Betts would do, and that's be a 3.8, 3.9 YPC guy who would pound the middle. That's not exciting, and probably not starting fantasy material. Here in Lumsden we have a 6'1 guy who can run a 4.4 40. Who knows what he could do if given the chance.
I'm not down on Betts, but he is what he is. He's been in the league since 2002 and has had 321 carries. He's a good inside runner, and he protects the ball well. As a change of pace to Portis he's good because he's a different type of runner.
However, as I've said, he doesn't change directions well or see his blocks well to the outside. You won't see him running screens or sweeps behind pulling linemen. He's pretty much north south, hit the hole fast and get as much as he can.
Cartwright has been in the league since 2002, but has seen significantly fewer carries than Betts (139). He's a short back at 5'7, and isn't especially speedy either. He sees his blocks better than Betts does from what I can tell. Cartwright has also had some trouble holding on to the ball in the past. His value to the skins is mainly as a standout special teamer.
Between Betts and Cartwright, Betts is significantly better as a receiver because of the height difference, mainly.
The important thing about Lumsden is that he's an unknown, and his measurables are very good. If Portis were to go down for a significant length of time and all three are on the roster, we pretty much know what to expect out of Betts and Cartwright. Lumsden we dont, and to me that gives him significantly more upside.
Of course, Betts would likely get the first shot as Portis' replacement, but that's not everything. We know what Betts would do, and that's be a 3.8, 3.9 YPC guy who would pound the middle. That's not exciting, and probably not starting fantasy material. Here in Lumsden we have a 6'1 guy who can run a 4.4 40. Who knows what he could do if given the chance.
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The Royal Jack
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Any thoughts on Betts's value in 2007? I believe he can leave the Skins at the end of the year. After Week 3 he was leading the Skins in rushing and receiving. Looks like he aced his audition and has garned some reps even with Portis back. Seems like he may have the ability to be a feature back for another team. Jets and Skins are always fond of the other's players. Maybe he makes some waves with Burner Turner in FA this off season. Could be a good get in dynasty formats this season.
It'd be nice for the Jets to take a Redskin, seems like they always take their players. They got Coles back but lost Moss
dgreen
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Portis has been fully back for three games. The Houston game was a blowout and Portis didn't play the entire 4th quarter, so that's not a good measure of how Betts will usually be used.The last two games show the Redskins with 60 rush attempts. Portis has 46 of those (77%) and Betts has 12 (20%). Last year, Portis had 67% of the carries and Betts had 17%. So, this year, in games similar to last year, the breakout is about the same.The Jax game was close the whole way and they were having success running, so Betts had 11 of the 40 carries. That's their ideal situation, IMO. The NYG game had them abandoning the run late as they were behind. Betts only had one carry. I think there will be a handful of games where Betts shows you exactly what he's shown the last few years and some he won't play much because they have to pass more.I'm not sold on Betts being a full time starter. His best quality is that he runs hard every play. However, he doesn't have great vision and he doesn't break many tackles. I think, at best, he'll be a RBBC guy.
redman
Footballguy
At best Betts gets lucky like Lamont Jordan did and ends up as the starter somewhere, but if you really break down the league most teams have one if not two RB's with talent comparable to if not superior to Betts, OR are in line to draft high enough in next year's draft to get a good rookie RB next year. I don't think he's going to have much more value than he already has.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
It's hard to completely discount what he's done over the years. In games that he's gotten double digit carries in his career, he's a combined 255 carries for 1120 yards 4.4 YPC.
The Royal Jack
Footballguy
Betts is likely superior to any option in GB, HOU or TEN for starters, those teams would probably address other concerns before RB in the 1st round. NFL teams seem to have gotten away from RBs in Round 1, probably because guys like Betts can be had after a few years of seasoning. Solid runner with good hands - hey Domanick Davis was a fantasy stud for Houston with similar skills, and Betts certainly put up the fantasy #'s when given a chance this year. Again pick him up for next to nothing and maybe you hit the Lotto next year at worst he provides what he is doing this year.redman said:
