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Lamar Miller, 2016, Infinity and beyond (1 Viewer)

Miller is never going to have more than 20 touches on a game? He just had 20 yesterday. You really think he NEVER sees more than 20?
I guess I shouldn't say never. I didn't mean it literally.

He's averaging 16 touches a game, and 20 is his high. How many touches did Thomas and Williams get? The answer is 13, plus Tannehill has 6 rushing attempts. So Miller's workload is consistent with or without Moreno: 15-20 touches a game. The Dolphins know that's his limit.

When these stout run defenses start bottling him up, Miami will have to pass more, and their possession time will fall.

I challenge you Miller owners to put out some feelers after Week 8 and see what his value is. Then come back here and share with us what others are willing to pay for him. In other words, what will the market bear? Sometimes when we own a player, it's harder to be objective.
I couldn't give him away 2 weeks ago. I suspect I could get slightly more than nothing after week 8. Of course, now I'm keeping him.

 
Rotoworld:

Lamar Miller rushed for 61 yards and one touchdown on 18 carries in Miami's Week 7 win over Chicago.

He caught two passes for an additional 22 yards. Miller and Daniel Thomas rotated a bit, but Miller ended up out-touchind his backfield mate 20-10. Miller also had a late four-yard touchdown called back on a holding penalty. It could have been a much bigger day. He's a legit RB1 in an offense that wants to run the ball. Fire him up with confidence against the Jaguars in Week 8.

Oct 19 - 4:26 PM
Absolutely fire him up in Week 8 against the Jags . . . then sell him to the highest bidder on Tuesday.
Why would you sell a top 10 RB?
It's called selling high. Look at the schedule.
Schedule is the most overrated measure in fantasy.
Perhaps.

I would say if you're a Miller owner, you could roll certainly with him after he gashes JAC next week.

But would it hurt to at least see what you might be able to get for him? He's never going to get more than 20 touches in a game, and with the likes of Chargers, Lions, Bills, Broncos, Jets and Ravens coming up, are you sure he's going to continue to put up the same numbers he has against the Patriots, Chiefs, Raiders, Packers and Bears?

I would say you're not doing your job an an owner if you don't at least consider selling high on him after Week 8. If you don't like the price, hold onto him. But if an RB-desperate team were willing to trade a WR1, or you could flip him for two starters where you have a need?
Regarding the bold parts, is it a certainty that he gashes the Jags next week? The Jags just held Cleveland's RBs to 2.2 ypc, and the Browns have one of the NFL's best rushing attacks.
JAX has improved against the run recently, LeVeon didnt do much vs them either

 
OK, if you're worried about the Jags, see what he will fetch now.

If some of you guys are so high on him as a no-doubt top-ten back, surely some of your league mates agree and would be willing to at least discuss acquiring him.

On a more general note, it's not a good idea to take a stance like, "Why would I trade a Top Ten back?"

ALL your players should be theoretically available for the right price.

 
OK, if you're worried about the Jags, see what he will fetch now.

If some of you guys are so high on him as a no-doubt top-ten back, surely some of your league mates agree and would be willing to at least discuss acquiring him.

On a more general note, it's not a good idea to take a stance like, "Why would I trade a Top Ten back?"

ALL your players should be theoretically available for the right price.
They should. You just aren't providing any good reasons for trading a guy with a very good shot at being a top 10 back. :shrug:
 
Rotoworld:

Lamar Miller rushed for 61 yards and one touchdown on 18 carries in Miami's Week 7 win over Chicago.

He caught two passes for an additional 22 yards. Miller and Daniel Thomas rotated a bit, but Miller ended up out-touchind his backfield mate 20-10. Miller also had a late four-yard touchdown called back on a holding penalty. It could have been a much bigger day. He's a legit RB1 in an offense that wants to run the ball. Fire him up with confidence against the Jaguars in Week 8.

Oct 19 - 4:26 PM
Absolutely fire him up in Week 8 against the Jags . . . then sell him to the highest bidder on Tuesday.
Why would you sell a top 10 RB?
I agree. I am still regretting selling him before the year. Unless you are luckily deep at RB or unluckily very shallow at another spot, no reason to trade Milker and I have been a staunch Miller hater.
 
OK, if you're worried about the Jags, see what he will fetch now.

If some of you guys are so high on him as a no-doubt top-ten back, surely some of your league mates agree and would be willing to at least discuss acquiring him.

On a more general note, it's not a good idea to take a stance like, "Why would I trade a Top Ten back?"

ALL your players should be theoretically available for the right price.
They should. You just aren't providing any good reasons for trading a guy with a very good shot at being a top 10 back. :shrug:
I already gave you THE reason: his brutal run D schedule starting in Week 9. He's near the Top 10 now; I just don't expect it to continue.

Unless you just don't believe in the concept of selling high, by all means keep him.

 
joey said:
Ugh. Just when Miller was getting owners consistent scoring. That would stink. I think.
It says a ton for dynasty. They are actively shopping to supplement him, so if not now, it's going to come via the draft next spring.

Seems like no matter what the guy does, he's doomed to be in a committee long term.

 
Miller is never going to have more than 20 touches on a game? He just had 20 yesterday. You really think he NEVER sees more than 20?
I guess I shouldn't say never. I didn't mean it literally.

He's averaging 16 touches a game, and 20 is his high. How many touches did Thomas and Williams get? The answer is 13, plus Tannehill has 6 rushing attempts. So Miller's workload is consistent with or without Moreno: 15-20 touches a game. The Dolphins know that's his limit.

When these stout run defenses start bottling him up, Miami will have to pass more, and their possession time will fall.

I challenge you Miller owners to put out some feelers after Week 8 and see what his value is. Then come back here and share with us what others are willing to pay for him. In other words, what will the market bear? Sometimes when we own a player, it's harder to be objective.
Nonsense. Everyone acts like trades are simply things that you alone decide to do.

There is no selling high on a player like Miller who lacks any brand name. I own Miller and Lacy, and if I felt like I needed WR or other depth help, I'd offer Lacy first for the brand name.

Miller has been steady but hasn't had a signature game that has made people take notice. And for the discerning owner, Miller "hasn't done it for a year" to prove that he is a good bye either.

Try and trade him if you can but the idea of "selling high" is hilarious.

 
Nonsense. Everyone acts like trades are simply things that you alone decide to do.

There is no selling high on a player like Miller who lacks any brand name. I own Miller and Lacy, and if I felt like I needed WR or other depth help, I'd offer Lacy first for the brand name.

Miller has been steady but hasn't had a signature game that has made people take notice. And for the discerning owner, Miller "hasn't done it for a year" to prove that he is a good bye either.

Try and trade him if you can but the idea of "selling high" is hilarious.
This.

Miller has some weird stigma attached to him where people only want to pay RB3 price for him despite his RB1 production.

 
I Am the Stig said:
Miller is never going to have more than 20 touches on a game? He just had 20 yesterday. You really think he NEVER sees more than 20?
I guess I shouldn't say never. I didn't mean it literally.

He's averaging 16 touches a game, and 20 is his high. How many touches did Thomas and Williams get? The answer is 13, plus Tannehill has 6 rushing attempts. So Miller's workload is consistent with or without Moreno: 15-20 touches a game. The Dolphins know that's his limit.

When these stout run defenses start bottling him up, Miami will have to pass more, and their possession time will fall.

I challenge you Miller owners to put out some feelers after Week 8 and see what his value is. Then come back here and share with us what others are willing to pay for him. In other words, what will the market bear? Sometimes when we own a player, it's harder to be objective.
Nonsense. Everyone acts like trades are simply things that you alone decide to do.

There is no selling high on a player like Miller who lacks any brand name. I own Miller and Lacy, and if I felt like I needed WR or other depth help, I'd offer Lacy first for the brand name.

Miller has been steady but hasn't had a signature game that has made people take notice. And for the discerning owner, Miller "hasn't done it for a year" to prove that he is a good bye either.

Try and trade him if you can but the idea of "selling high" is hilarious.
All I said was offer him up and see what his value is.

Lots of people here calling him a sure-fire RB1.

But you're right: what does the market say he's worth?

 
I Am the Stig said:
Miller is never going to have more than 20 touches on a game? He just had 20 yesterday. You really think he NEVER sees more than 20?
I guess I shouldn't say never. I didn't mean it literally.

He's averaging 16 touches a game, and 20 is his high. How many touches did Thomas and Williams get? The answer is 13, plus Tannehill has 6 rushing attempts. So Miller's workload is consistent with or without Moreno: 15-20 touches a game. The Dolphins know that's his limit.

When these stout run defenses start bottling him up, Miami will have to pass more, and their possession time will fall.

I challenge you Miller owners to put out some feelers after Week 8 and see what his value is. Then come back here and share with us what others are willing to pay for him. In other words, what will the market bear? Sometimes when we own a player, it's harder to be objective.
Nonsense. Everyone acts like trades are simply things that you alone decide to do.There is no selling high on a player like Miller who lacks any brand name. I own Miller and Lacy, and if I felt like I needed WR or other depth help, I'd offer Lacy first for the brand name.

Miller has been steady but hasn't had a signature game that has made people take notice. And for the discerning owner, Miller "hasn't done it for a year" to prove that he is a good bye either.

Try and trade him if you can but the idea of "selling high" is hilarious.
All I said was offer him up and see what his value is.

Lots of people here calling him a sure-fire RB1.

But you're right: what does the market say he's worth?
I just hate the industry term of "sell high" on a guy. The way the phrase is used implies a drop off of production.In Miller's case, I don't think his production is unsustainable. What the industry fails to discuss regarding trades is that any trade should satisfy the needs of both teams. That is the key ingredient to getting a good trade accomplished. It should hurt a little to give a guy up.

If all you are trying to do is "win" the trade you're taking the wrong approach. What the "selling high" really should mean is a player that is marketable, whom you could live without but would in turn be an upgrade to the other team.

But it is so wildly used that people seem to think they deserve a windfall or a blockbuster trade or worse, that they need to move the guy NOW

 
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jurb26 said:
Nonsense. Everyone acts like trades are simply things that you alone decide to do.

There is no selling high on a player like Miller who lacks any brand name. I own Miller and Lacy, and if I felt like I needed WR or other depth help, I'd offer Lacy first for the brand name.

Miller has been steady but hasn't had a signature game that has made people take notice. And for the discerning owner, Miller "hasn't done it for a year" to prove that he is a good bye either.

Try and trade him if you can but the idea of "selling high" is hilarious.
This.

Miller has some weird stigma attached to him where people only want to pay RB3 price for him despite his RB1 production.
The stigma was earned.

He fell in the draft, but people still believed and drafted him fairly highly thinking he would be useful in 2012. He looked fine running the ball, but was not fantasy significant.

Then Bush left in 2013, and people were sure he would be the primary guy over Thomas. But Thomas still saw a lot of looks and Miller didn't turn out to be valuable.

Then in early 2014, people were again excited, but the team paid a hefty sum for Moreno.

Little later in 2014, Moreno looks bad/gets a late start and people are excited again. Except Moreno seems to turn it around, starts game 1 and looks great. Hmm...

Little later again in 2014, Moreno is out, and lots of people are excited.... But wary.

Now rumors that the team is interested in Martin.

There is a pattern here, and is why some folks are/were looking to cash out before the other shoe drops. Could go either way, but I get that line of reasoning.

 
I Am the Stig said:
Miller is never going to have more than 20 touches on a game? He just had 20 yesterday. You really think he NEVER sees more than 20?
I guess I shouldn't say never. I didn't mean it literally.

He's averaging 16 touches a game, and 20 is his high. How many touches did Thomas and Williams get? The answer is 13, plus Tannehill has 6 rushing attempts. So Miller's workload is consistent with or without Moreno: 15-20 touches a game. The Dolphins know that's his limit.

When these stout run defenses start bottling him up, Miami will have to pass more, and their possession time will fall.

I challenge you Miller owners to put out some feelers after Week 8 and see what his value is. Then come back here and share with us what others are willing to pay for him. In other words, what will the market bear? Sometimes when we own a player, it's harder to be objective.
Nonsense. Everyone acts like trades are simply things that you alone decide to do.There is no selling high on a player like Miller who lacks any brand name. I own Miller and Lacy, and if I felt like I needed WR or other depth help, I'd offer Lacy first for the brand name.

Miller has been steady but hasn't had a signature game that has made people take notice. And for the discerning owner, Miller "hasn't done it for a year" to prove that he is a good bye either.

Try and trade him if you can but the idea of "selling high" is hilarious.
All I said was offer him up and see what his value is.

Lots of people here calling him a sure-fire RB1.

But you're right: what does the market say he's worth?
I just hate the industry term of "sell high" on a guy. The way the phrase is used implies a drop off of production.Is
Everything we do in this game is about speculation and trying to predict the future.

I have gone on record as predicting his production will drop off.

Other's have gone on record to say he is a Top-10 RB RoS.

 
i seem to have a combo of miller, bradshaw, and ingrim on like 5 teams (yahoo pro leagues) mostly from WW aquisitions, I put out a post in all 5 leagues with their names in the title saying I was looking for WR help, lets see who they go after and what they offer. In all of these leagues I am very deep at RB and the combo of AJ Green and Calvin injuries has really hurt me in a few of them

 
I Am the Stig said:
Miller is never going to have more than 20 touches on a game? He just had 20 yesterday. You really think he NEVER sees more than 20?
I guess I shouldn't say never. I didn't mean it literally.

He's averaging 16 touches a game, and 20 is his high. How many touches did Thomas and Williams get? The answer is 13, plus Tannehill has 6 rushing attempts. So Miller's workload is consistent with or without Moreno: 15-20 touches a game. The Dolphins know that's his limit.

When these stout run defenses start bottling him up, Miami will have to pass more, and their possession time will fall.

I challenge you Miller owners to put out some feelers after Week 8 and see what his value is. Then come back here and share with us what others are willing to pay for him. In other words, what will the market bear? Sometimes when we own a player, it's harder to be objective.
Nonsense. Everyone acts like trades are simply things that you alone decide to do.There is no selling high on a player like Miller who lacks any brand name. I own Miller and Lacy, and if I felt like I needed WR or other depth help, I'd offer Lacy first for the brand name.

Miller has been steady but hasn't had a signature game that has made people take notice. And for the discerning owner, Miller "hasn't done it for a year" to prove that he is a good bye either.

Try and trade him if you can but the idea of "selling high" is hilarious.
All I said was offer him up and see what his value is.

Lots of people here calling him a sure-fire RB1.

But you're right: what does the market say he's worth?
I just hate the industry term of "sell high" on a guy. The way the phrase is used implies a drop off of production.Is
Everything we do in this game is about speculation and trying to predict the future.

I have gone on record as predicting his production will drop off.

Other's have gone on record to say he is a Top-10 RB RoS.
What about his production says "unsustainable"?

Which is more sustainable ROS, Miller's production or Demarco Murray's?

Miller was never drafted as a RB1 so most folks are playing with House money right now.

 
I Am the Stig said:
Miller is never going to have more than 20 touches on a game? He just had 20 yesterday. You really think he NEVER sees more than 20?
I guess I shouldn't say never. I didn't mean it literally.

He's averaging 16 touches a game, and 20 is his high. How many touches did Thomas and Williams get? The answer is 13, plus Tannehill has 6 rushing attempts. So Miller's workload is consistent with or without Moreno: 15-20 touches a game. The Dolphins know that's his limit.

When these stout run defenses start bottling him up, Miami will have to pass more, and their possession time will fall.

I challenge you Miller owners to put out some feelers after Week 8 and see what his value is. Then come back here and share with us what others are willing to pay for him. In other words, what will the market bear? Sometimes when we own a player, it's harder to be objective.
Nonsense. Everyone acts like trades are simply things that you alone decide to do.There is no selling high on a player like Miller who lacks any brand name. I own Miller and Lacy, and if I felt like I needed WR or other depth help, I'd offer Lacy first for the brand name.

Miller has been steady but hasn't had a signature game that has made people take notice. And for the discerning owner, Miller "hasn't done it for a year" to prove that he is a good bye either.

Try and trade him if you can but the idea of "selling high" is hilarious.
All I said was offer him up and see what his value is.

Lots of people here calling him a sure-fire RB1.

But you're right: what does the market say he's worth?
I just hate the industry term of "sell high" on a guy. The way the phrase is used implies a drop off of production.Is
Everything we do in this game is about speculation and trying to predict the future.

I have gone on record as predicting his production will drop off.

Other's have gone on record to say he is a Top-10 RB RoS.
What about his production says "unsustainable"?

Which is more sustainable ROS, Miller's production or Demarco Murray's?

Miller was never drafted as a RB1 so most folks are playing with House money right now.
On pace for about 1,400 total yards, 45+ catches, 11 TDs. He's only 23.5 years old. He's in the Top 10 in RB points in PPR right now. Only guys with more points and younger are Gio and Bell.

If you don't believe it's sustainable, sell him. But Gio is on pace for virtually identical numbers and Miller is only 6 months older than him. You don't see people selling Gio because Jeremy Hill is there.

 
On pace for about 1,400 total yards, 45+ catches, 11 TDs. He's only 23.5 years old. He's in the Top 10 in RB points in PPR right now. Only guys with more points and younger are Gio and Bell.

If you don't believe it's sustainable, sell him. But Gio is on pace for virtually identical numbers and Miller is only 6 months older than him. You don't see people selling Gio because Jeremy Hill is there.
Also worth note that Miller has been a significantly better runner than Gio. This year Miller ranks as the 7th best runner in DVOA rankings. Gio ranks 27th.
 
From NumberFire:

Sell Lamar Miller

You couldn't ask for more consistency from Lamar Miller this season. In PPR leagues, the Dolphins' lead runner has hit double digits in all but one week, never scoring more than his 18.7-point Week 4.

Generally speaking, that's translated to strong advanced analytics. Miller's Rushing NEP per tote is a solid 0.02, far better than anything he's seen in his career.

But, like most of the "sell" candidates in this column, Miller's schedule gets rough moving forward. From Week 9 through Week 14, the Dolphins will face San Diego (19th against the run), Detroit (1st), Buffalo (5th), Denver (6th), New York Jets (12th), and Baltimore (8th). That's four games against top-10 rush defenses, with the other two contests coming against average to above average ones.

Miller's been rolling, but this might be the time to sell.

 
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Schedule is still the least valid indicator of all.
Perhaps, but that doesn't make it invalid.

I don't play dynasty, so it's hard for me to say. He's probably a hold for the reasons others have mentioned.

In redraft, I would try to get a WR with upside, maybe Watkins or Kelvin. Or if the Julio or BMarsh owner is frustrated and has a need at RB, try that.

 
Schedule is still the least valid indicator of all.
Perhaps, but that doesn't make it invalid.

I don't play dynasty, so it's hard for me to say. He's probably a hold for the reasons others have mentioned.

In redraft, I would try to get a WR with upside, maybe Watkins or Kelvin. Or if the Julio or BMarsh owner is frustrated and has a need at RB, try that.
Lamar Miller's value still exceeds his perceived value imo.

 
Schedule is still the least valid indicator of all.
Perhaps, but that doesn't make it invalid.

I don't play dynasty, so it's hard for me to say. He's probably a hold for the reasons others have mentioned.

In redraft, I would try to get a WR with upside, maybe Watkins or Kelvin. Or if the Julio or BMarsh owner is frustrated and has a need at RB, try that.
Lamar Miller's value still exceeds his perceived value imo.
Probably right. No one accepted my challenge (or didn't come back to report on it) to offer him up to see what the market would bear.

 
Schedule is still the least valid indicator of all.
Perhaps, but that doesn't make it invalid.

I don't play dynasty, so it's hard for me to say. He's probably a hold for the reasons others have mentioned.

In redraft, I would try to get a WR with upside, maybe Watkins or Kelvin. Or if the Julio or BMarsh owner is frustrated and has a need at RB, try that.
Lamar Miller's value still exceeds his perceived value imo.
Probably right. No one accepted my challenge (or didn't come back to report on it) to offer him up to see what the market would bear.
Because no owners are trying to sell him.

 
Schedule is still the least valid indicator of all.
Perhaps, but that doesn't make it invalid.

I don't play dynasty, so it's hard for me to say. He's probably a hold for the reasons others have mentioned.

In redraft, I would try to get a WR with upside, maybe Watkins or Kelvin. Or if the Julio or BMarsh owner is frustrated and has a need at RB, try that.
Lamar Miller's value still exceeds his perceived value imo.
Probably right. No one accepted my challenge (or didn't come back to report on it) to offer him up to see what the market would bear.
Because no owners are trying to sell him.
I don't look at it that way.

Last night I sent a feeler to a league mate to see if he were interested in sending me a WR for one of my RBs.

He said, "Which of your RBs are off the table?"

I replied, "I don't believe in 'off the table.'"

We talked about a couple scenarios, and our valuations didn't match sufficiently to make a deal. But at least we explored it. And I think trading is one of the most fun aspects of our game. More owners should be exploring trades and testing the market value of their players, and other teams' players.

Miller owners might be looking to sell, but if they at least put it out there, you never know what might happen.

What if an RB-desperate owner who is fed up with Brandon Marshall and deep at WR offered him up for MIller?

Would you take it? I would.

 
He said he was fine after the game and could have came back in if game wasn't out of hand and just needs some treatment but the Dolphins are having him take an MRI today and reports were after the game he was having problems lifting his arm above his head to put on his shirt. I sure hope he is okay, I have a very weak group of rbs and he has been pretty solid all year.

I also wish he got more carries. He just looks so good when he is in the game

 
AC joint sprain. Anyone know anything about this type of injury? How serious? Will he miss time?
I've had one. Severity can differ greatly from one to another, much like all sprains. Shouldn't be a big deal IMO. Painful but you can play thru it. I'd imagine they give him some strong meds and let him go.

 
AC joint sprain. Anyone know anything about this type of injury? How serious? Will he miss time?
It will likely affect pass blocking and catching ability. It could also affect ball security. All in all though, as long as it's a lowish grade sprain it will all come down to pain management.

 
Lamar Miller (shoulder) has been diagnosed with a sprained AC joint, and is day to day.

It's the same injury that's cost Jordan Cameron time this season, though DeSean Jackson has played through one. Considering how many more hits Miller takes than Cameron and Jackson, it wouldn't be an easy injury to play through. It's possible he'll miss at least one game, though beat writer Adam Beasley is "hearing" Miller will be ready to face the Lions. The Dolphins guard injury information like Fort Knox, so it's possible Miller's status could remain muddled deep into the week. Owners need to be making contingency plans. Daniel Thomas and Damien Williams are behind Miller on the depth chart.

 
AC joint sprain. Anyone know anything about this type of injury? How serious? Will he miss time?
I've had one. Severity can differ greatly from one to another, much like all sprains. Shouldn't be a big deal IMO. Painful but you can play thru it. I'd imagine they give him some strong meds and let him go.
Or they just trot out Daniel Thomas like they did this week and enjoy his 2 yards per carry. Dude must have pictures of Philbin and the OC.

 
Rotoworld:

Lamar Miller (shoulder) "did some things" in Tuesday's practice.

Miller got in a light session, but it's a big step in the right direction for his Week 10 availability. The Dolphins will officially update Miller's status when they issue their first Week 10 injury report on Wednesday. For now, owners can keep Miller penciled into their lineups.

Source: Adam Beasley on Twitter
Nov 4 - 3:21 PM
 
Rotoworld:

Lamar Miller - RB - Dolphins

The Miami Herald's Adam Beasley considers Lamar Miller (questionable, shoulder) likely to be "limited" in Sunday's game versus Detroit.

Beasley is "hearing" that Miller will be active for the game, but we may see more than usual of Daniel Thomas and UDFA Damien Williams, who both struggled in last week's win over San Diego. Combine Miller's tough matchup with a reduced role, and he's a dicey RB2 play against the Lions.

Source: Adam Beasley on Twitter

Nov 8 - 5:33 PM
 
Don't have the snap count numbers, but I watched the game. Miller played sparingly. I think his viability going forward depends upon his injury. Good sign that they were comfortable putting him out there.

 
Don't have the snap count numbers, but I watched the game. Miller played sparingly. I think his viability going forward depends upon his injury. Good sign that they were comfortable putting him out there.
I'd rather he be out if he's only gonna play that much. He and Hillman killed me today with the limited crap.

 
In hindsight it would have been better if they shut him down for the entire week and let him heal. Tough to heal from that type of injury without rest.

ETA: Albert's injury will have a big impact on production.

 
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