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Lamont - The biggest fantasy bust ever ? (1 Viewer)

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I took Lamont at the end of round 1, thinking "What a steal". So much for that.

So, is he the biggest fantasy 1st round FANTASY bust ever? I know Rice and Young both went out in the 1st game with injuries. Faulk went down in game 2. And while those were busts to their owners, they were entirely attributable to injury.

Lamont is purely due to bad coaching, a crappy OL and QB, and poor performance. He is not ranked among the top 60 RBs in my league. That's 2 RBs per team on average that are better than him. Even KJ wasn't that bad last year.

Scary.

 
I don't think he could be considered the biggest bust ever because to me he was never that good to begin with. But I know many others thought more highly of him than he probobly ever deserved.

 
The most compelling explanation of Lamont Jordan last year remains the most compelling explanation for Lamont Jordan this year. Last year, Lamont Joradn was helped inifinitely by the presence of Norv Turner, whose offense turns RBs into FF monsters. This year, no Norv Turner has meant far fewer receptions and generally a less run-favorable system. Note that Norv Turner's protege this year is Frank Gore, who is tearing it up.

 
Z-Dog said:
The most compelling explanation of Lamont Jordan last year remains the most compelling explanation for Lamont Jordan this year. Last year, Lamont Joradn was helped inifinitely by the presence of Norv Turner, whose offense turns RBs into FF monsters. This year, no Norv Turner has meant far fewer receptions and generally a less run-favorable system. Note that Norv Turner's protege this year is Frank Gore, who is tearing it up.
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As soon as I heard the Turner was on his way out and Shell and company were on the way in, I traded Jordan away for a 1st round draft pick and a backup rb by the name of Frank Gore. Weird how that turned out.
 
At the end of the day, it's the fantasy points scored.

He was a bust before he got injured, he was a bust during his injury, and he's ramping up to be a bust after his injury. We'll see after the next few games how less of a bust he is. But he's a bust nevertheless.

 
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
Not the biggest bust ever, but how you guys couldn't see he was a one year wonder in the making surprises me a bit.
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I bet he does well with a new coach next year. The one year wonder I disagree with, only time will tell.The thing that just shocks me so much is the HOFer one of the all time great linemen coaching them has a horribly underperforming line. Dated offense or not, running is more often than not about sheer brute strength, leverage, and determination and the dated offense shouldn't affect it. Many coaches, esp Parcells, Fox, and Gibbs, would run the same run play 10 plays in a row if it works. I didn't expect 5 Art Shell's on the line but an improvement from 06 or at least continued solid run blocking.
 
To be the biggest fantasy bust ever, I think you need to look for:

1) A player selected as one of the top picks, if not the top pick, in the draft;

2) Who stays healthy all year while performing poorly, far far below expectations;

3) But mixes in an occasional decent game so that you will continue to rely on him and get burned on an almost weekly basis thinking the player has "turned the corner".

Emmitt Smith in 1997 comes to mind.

 
MarshallRob said:
To be the biggest fantasy bust ever, I think you need to look for:1) A player selected as one of the top picks, if not the top pick, in the draft;2) Who stays healthy all year while performing poorly, far far below expectations; 3) But mixes in an occasional decent game so that you will continue to rely on him and get burned on an almost weekly basis thinking the player has "turned the corner".
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Sounds like Jamaal Lewis last year.
 
I took Lamont at the end of round 1, thinking "What a steal". So much for that.
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You took him at the end of round one, and STILL thought it was a steal? Can I play in your league? I would have been laughing had you been in my league.
 
Slum Lord said:
I took Lamont at the end of round 1, thinking "What a steal". So much for that.
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You took him at the end of round one, and STILL thought it was a steal? Can I play in your league? I would have been laughing had you been in my league.
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Taking Jordan at 12 would have been seen as a good pick by most educated people. Sure in your 6 man league, where 4 of the owners are your brothers, it might have not been a good pick.Back to the topic, this is why NFLN and preseason games matter. Raiders/Jordan looked like garbage. Jordan had 2 targets all preseason in the passing game. If you saw those preseason games and still picked him, it's your vault.
 
Sorry I'm late, did anyone mention Edge yet?
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I don't think you can call him a bust. Everyone knew that he went to a team with a terrible track record and no offensive line. If people chose to ignore that, that's their problem.
 
Outside of players that had major injuries, the names that come to mind are:

Kordell Stewart 1998--Went from 32 TDs in 1997 to 13 TDs in 1998 (played all 16 games). I have no clue what his ADP was that year, but IIRC it was 1st round.

Jerome Bettis 1998--While the Kordell Stewart owner was cackling "I can't believe I got Kordell Stewart with the x pick" I was smugly smiling to myself for taking the true fantasy stud on the Steelers--Jerome Bettis. He was coming off of back to back 1500+ yard seasons with a total of 20 TDs in 2 years. In 1998 Bettis squeaked out 1100 yards and all of 3 TDs.

Eddie George 2001--Never had less than 1400 total yards and he was coming off of 29 TDs in two seasons. In 2001 he played all 16 games and had 939 yards rushing and 5 TDs.

 
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billyjoe said:
Slum Lord said:
I took Lamont at the end of round 1, thinking "What a steal". So much for that.
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You took him at the end of round one, and STILL thought it was a steal? Can I play in your league? I would have been laughing had you been in my league.
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Taking Jordan at 12 would have been seen as a good pick by most educated people. Sure in your 6 man league, where 4 of the owners are your brothers, it might have not been a good pick.Back to the topic, this is why NFLN and preseason games matter. Raiders/Jordan looked like garbage. Jordan had 2 targets all preseason in the passing game. If you saw those preseason games and still picked him, it's your vault.
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:goodposting: I took Lamont in a 12 team redraft in the 2nd round after the turn. In this league all TD's are 6 pts so I took Palmer at the #9 pick since I didn't like any of the RB choices looking at me. I then took Lamont. At the time I couldn't believe he was still there. But I don't think the more educated sharks would have said anything even had I taken him at #9. For me, neither have deserved their draft spots. I wouldn't say Lamont is the biggest bust ever. Name any skill position player on that Oakland team that has performed even on a mediocre level...NONE! And that is because of the coaching, ownership, and team dedication. Everyone on that team is criticizing the play calling, the coaches, the front office, other players and it's just an ugly mess.They all want to quit playing for that team and force a trade next year. Out of all of those scrap heap scrubs I'd say Lamont has been one of the more professional ones. He could be complaining alot about his qb situation, his O-line, his supporting cast but I haven't heard a single derogatory statement from him. If Oakland addresses their O-line next year and brings in some new coaches (and possibly new owner!), Lamont could have another huge year. Or if he were to get traded he'd be a solid pick up as well.But to laugh at Lamont being taken as "early" as the end of the first round is laughable in itself.
 
Biabreakable said:
I don't think he could be considered the biggest bust ever because to me he was never that good to begin with. But I know many others thought more highly of him than he probobly ever deserved.
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:goodposting: I'll never understand why being a good back up in NY made him a potential stud in Oakland. He's just who I thought he was ;)
 
Edge is a bust...

Jordan is a bigger bust...

SA is the biggest bust.

I don't know where the rules of the definition of a bust came from but I don't think they are right. Players in FF are labeled bust when they do not perform in fantasy points in concurrance to their draft rankings.

For example, Vanderjact is a bust as well for his whatever...1th round kicker draft (possibly in the top 5 of kickers) but is still a big bust. But low draft, low bust.

SA is the mostly consensus #2 overall. Regardless of injuries, his fantasy output has not equated to his draft position. He is not just a bust, but a collosal bust.

 
Not saying who's a bust..but in most leagues this is how the draft went (rb's only)in average 12 owners leagues nothing fancy.

LJ

LT

SA

Tiki

Portis

S.Jackson

Edge

R.Brown

L.Jordan

C.Williams

R. Johnson

Westbrook

Now after looking at it 5 failed to help us so far week11 wise..(injuries or performance wise)only best bet late draft pick was Westbrook.

 
Is his team mate not even worth mentioning? Randy Moss was still considered a top WR even thought we all assumed his numbers would slip a little. Remember when A. Brooks was coming to town and this was going to help Randy with the deep ball?

MOSS huge bust this year.

 
MarshallRob said:
To be the biggest fantasy bust ever, I think you need to look for:1) A player selected as one of the top picks, if not the top pick, in the draft;2) Who stays healthy all year while performing poorly, far far below expectations; 3) But mixes in an occasional decent game so that you will continue to rely on him and get burned on an almost weekly basis thinking the player has "turned the corner".Emmitt Smith in 1997 comes to mind.
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Around week 8 or so I traded Ben Coates for him straight up as I was convinced that he couldn't possibly continue to be that mediocre. I was wrong. :ph34r:
 
But to laugh at Lamont being taken as "early" as the end of the first round is laughable in itself.
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OK tell me why then. What did he ever do to deserve being a first round pick? What about comming into this year told you he was worth that selection? Does he have a good QB? No. Does he have a good O-line? No. Does he have good coaching? No. Dont tell me you thought all those were 'yes' comming into this year, because if you do, your an idiot. Back that up, besides the idiotic 'because that what everyone tells me to do'.
 
Slum Lord said:
But to laugh at Lamont being taken as "early" as the end of the first round is laughable in itself.
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OK tell me why then. What did he ever do to deserve being a first round pick? What about comming into this year told you he was worth that selection? Does he have a good QB? No. Does he have a good O-line? No. Does he have good coaching? No. Dont tell me you thought all those were 'yes' comming into this year, because if you do, your an idiot. Back that up, besides the idiotic 'because that what everyone tells me to do'.
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The simple fact that he is a starting RB that put up nice numbers last year is a good reason. Who else would you have taken at #9 or later when you had your draft? Coming into this year there was alot of hype around Aaron Brooks and the dimension he COULD HAVE added to the Raider offense. Brooks has shown flashes of that ability in the game against KC last week. What would have happened had he stayed healthy?

No one knew the Raider O-line would be as ungodly as it is.

Art Shell was fairly successful the last time he coached the Raiders. This year it is obvious the game has passed him by and you don't hire an OC that has been changing people's sheets for the last 15 years! Not to mention this entire offense almost has given up on this year.

I'm just saying that when most people had their drafts...Lamont Jordan at #9 was a solid pick.

 
MarshallRob said:
To be the biggest fantasy bust ever, I think you need to look for:1) A player selected as one of the top picks, if not the top pick, in the draft;2) Who stays healthy all year while performing poorly, far far below expectations; 3) But mixes in an occasional decent game so that you will continue to rely on him and get burned on an almost weekly basis thinking the player has "turned the corner".Emmitt Smith in 1997 comes to mind.
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Jamal Lewis 2004, 2005...
 
guderian said:
Outside of players that had major injuries, the names that come to mind are:

Kordell Stewart 1998--Went from 32 TDs in 1997 to 13 TDs in 1998 (played all 16 games). I have no clue what his ADP was that year, but IIRC it was 1st round.

Jerome Bettis 1998--While the Kordell Stewart owner was cackling "I can't believe I got Kordell Stewart with the x pick" I was smugly smiling to myself for taking the true fantasy stud on the Steelers--Jerome Bettis. He was coming off of back to back 1500+ yard seasons with a total of 20 TDs in 2 years. In 1998 Bettis squeaked out 1100 yards and all of 3 TDs.

Eddie George 2001--Never had less than 1400 total yards and he was coming off of 29 TDs in two seasons. In 2001 he played all 16 games and had 939 yards rushing and 5 TDs.
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I think you have the winner with Stewart. You didn't mention that of those 32 TD's 11 were on the ground. In my draft the next year he went number 2 overall behind T. Davis. He never had another year like that 1997 year.

 
Carnell Williams has been pretty bad this year......I don't have him, but I love watching his owner go nuts week after week. (OK, he FINALLY had a decent week last week) I know a lot of owners who put a lot of their hopes in Caddy and Grudens' "Run the Rock" gameplanning.....but man, this is just an ugly year for a bunch of RB's. D.Foster, Jordan, Caddy have been some of the worst to me.

 
Anyone who drafts the Lamont Jordans, Deshaun Fosters, and Kevan Barlows of the world deserves to lose at fantasy football.

 
NEUPJ said:
Sorry I'm late, did anyone mention Edge yet?
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I don't think you can call him a bust. Everyone knew that he went to a team with a terrible track record and no offensive line. If people chose to ignore that, that's their problem.
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Although I completely agree with you, and I stayed far away from Lamont & Edge this year, I think you have to consider both to be huge busts. Most people were pimping both these guys all over the place before drafts this year. I thought it was crazy talk ... :hophead:
 
Slum Lord said:
But to laugh at Lamont being taken as "early" as the end of the first round is laughable in itself.
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OK tell me why then. What did he ever do to deserve being a first round pick? What about comming into this year told you he was worth that selection? Does he have a good QB? No. Does he have a good O-line? No. Does he have good coaching? No. Dont tell me you thought all those were 'yes' comming into this year, because if you do, your an idiot. Back that up, besides the idiotic 'because that what everyone tells me to do'.
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you're kind of a ####.
 
Otis said:
Anyone who drafts the Lamont Jordans, Deshaun Fosters, and Kevan Barlows of the world deserves to lose at fantasy football.
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I drafted Jordan and Barlow. :bag: Luckily I also drafted Ronnie Brown, Chester Taylor, Frank Gore to help with those sad picks. :D
 
Otis said:
Anyone who drafts the Lamont Jordans, Deshaun Fosters, and Kevan Barlows of the world deserves to lose at fantasy football.
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This year!!! If Martz takes over the Raiders then all bets are off.And degrade Gore if Norm gets a better job.A good Shark aways watches the head coaches and offensive coordinators as much as he does the players. A great shark watches the assistant coaches as well.GORE AND LAMONT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A SURPRISE! :rolleyes:
 
gferrell20 said:
Although I completely agree with you, and I stayed far away from Lamont & Edge this year, I think you have to consider both to be huge busts. Most people were pimping both these guys all over the place before drafts this year. I thought it was crazy talk ... :hophead:
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For me the gripe with Edge is the receptions. He should have 50 or 60 by now. With that program I have been able to see some Zona games and 3 per week is just dopey. He blocks on passing plays more than he does anything else. It's just real sad. Leinart would really benefit from having him as a safety valve in the passing game too. Johnson isn't doing squat. Switch sets and put a FB back there to block, let Edge be there for dump passes. It seems they barely run in the second half of games....oh it bugs me
 
There's a huge difference between when someone is injured and out and someone who is just underperforming. The injured guy is relatively easily replaced because you at least know he is out. Those replacement points can be huge. It's the guy that underperforms inconsistently that kills you and teases you all season long. Jordan, Randy Moss, Carnell Williams as well as many others come to mind. Tough to start but tough to bench is always more difficult than knowing the guy is out and having a sure replacement imo.

 
Billy1x said:
Otis said:
Anyone who drafts the Lamont Jordans, Deshaun Fosters, and Kevan Barlows of the world deserves to lose at fantasy football.
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This year!!! If Martz takes over the Raiders then all bets are off.And degrade Gore if Norm gets a better job.A good Shark aways watches the head coaches and offensive coordinators as much as he does the players. A great shark watches the assistant coaches as well.GORE AND LAMONT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A SURPRISE! :rolleyes:
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Jordan was a surprise last year. Should the shark have followed the head coach or the OC in that case? Hindsight is always 20/20. Coaching is only so much of the equation, it's not all of it.
 
Billy1x said:
Otis said:
Anyone who drafts the Lamont Jordans, Deshaun Fosters, and Kevan Barlows of the world deserves to lose at fantasy football.
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This year!!! If Martz takes over the Raiders then all bets are off.And degrade Gore if Norm gets a better job.A good Shark aways watches the head coaches and offensive coordinators as much as he does the players. A great shark watches the assistant coaches as well.GORE AND LAMONT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A SURPRISE! :rolleyes:
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Huh? Soooo...since the HC and OC are so much of the equation are you gonna tell me that you absolutely knew that Larry Johnson was gonna produce similar numbers to last year? Even though the Chiefs brought in Herm "Conservative and blow the game" Edwards, and let go of Al Saunders to be replaced by an O-line coach, and the fact that they lost half of their starting O-line...you still just knew that Larry Johnson was gonna be ok? According to your philosophy everyone should have avoided Johnson like the plague.I will agree that the HC and OC can have a big affect on a player, but there are always surprises every year. This year, Jordan's lack of production is a surprise. It's not his fault, it's the fact that his O-line is a bunch of ####### that have given up. Their QB got injured early on and the scrub they put in to replace him doesn't know how to play the game. Their top two wideouts are throwing hissy fits like a couple of #####es...oh, and their OC has been away from the game for 15 YEARS!! I don't own Jordan, but I'm just getting tired of these people coming on here saying "The writing was on the wall with Jordan" trying to toot their own horn. There was so much hype about Aaron Brooks on these boards it was nauseating. Then we find out the O-line in Oakland is possibly the worst to ever be assembled and Brooks get injured...it's all of a sudden because Jordan is a scrub? Please. :rolleyes:
 
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