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Larry Johnson the rest of the season? (1 Viewer)
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Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
start him against poor run defences and pray.
YoUnG GuNz
Footballguy
Don't start him week 7
vikingdave
Footballguy
I see he is on a bye this week, I could have swore he was on a bye last week...?
3C's
Footballguy
0 chance with that contract
Tanner9919
Footballguy
I'd start him against the Jets in two weeks ( only because I don't believe the Jets defense is as good as advertised),
sit him against the Bucs..
then he has a nice string of 6 games against lousy run defenses..
SD, N.O., Buff, Oak, Denver, SD..
they finish with Miami and Cincy..Miami will be tough,but Cincy should be easy for those who have week 16 championships..
sit him against the Bucs..
then he has a nice string of 6 games against lousy run defenses..
SD, N.O., Buff, Oak, Denver, SD..
they finish with Miami and Cincy..Miami will be tough,but Cincy should be easy for those who have week 16 championships..
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3C's
Footballguy
They play the Titans next. Def. sit. Jets could be an ok game. Oakland is currently #3 vs the run. The only thing that helps LJ there is that KC will probably be in that game, but in the week 2 game he had 22 yards rushing. Miami is a good rush D. SD and NO are not good run D's but they could jump out to big leads early making LJ a non-factor like last week. They play Denver in Denver this time so I would expect a better effort than the week 4 game. They play the Bengals week 17, not 16.
thehornet
Footballguy
:X 
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Great! Can I trade him to you since nobody in my league is biting? What do you want to give me for him? A bag of chips? A cup of coffee? Sold! He's yours. Larry Johnson is going to rot on my bench for the rest of the season. I'm starting McClain and Hightower over him. Maybe McFadden will earn a starting spot eventually, but LJ is done for my team. I could start any random fullback and get 2 freaking yards.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Got Earnest Graham for him this week.Great! Can I trade him to you since nobody in my league is biting? What do you want to give me for him? A bag of chips? A cup of coffee? Sold! He's yours. Larry Johnson is going to rot on my bench for the rest of the season. I'm starting McClain and Hightower over him. Maybe McFadden will earn a starting spot eventually, but LJ is done for my team. I could start any random fullback and get 2 freaking yards.
YoUnG GuNz
Footballguy
You were robbed.Got Earnest Graham for him this week.Great! Can I trade him to you since nobody in my league is biting? What do you want to give me for him? A bag of chips? A cup of coffee? Sold! He's yours. Larry Johnson is going to rot on my bench for the rest of the season. I'm starting McClain and Hightower over him. Maybe McFadden will earn a starting spot eventually, but LJ is done for my team. I could start any random fullback and get 2 freaking yards.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Thanks for the incredible insight. And your in-depth opinion is based on...You were robbed.Got Earnest Graham for him this week.Great! Can I trade him to you since nobody in my league is biting? What do you want to give me for him? A bag of chips? A cup of coffee? Sold! He's yours. Larry Johnson is going to rot on my bench for the rest of the season. I'm starting McClain and Hightower over him. Maybe McFadden will earn a starting spot eventually, but LJ is done for my team. I could start any random fullback and get 2 freaking yards.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
I just traded made a trade involving LJ and Bush - LJ may have his games but I think Reggie bush will be more consistent down the stretch.
thehornet
Footballguy
does he really need insight. that was a terrible trade for you. No backup needed.Thanks for the incredible insight. And your in-depth opinion is based on...You were robbed.Got Earnest Graham for him this week.Great! Can I trade him to you since nobody in my league is biting? What do you want to give me for him? A bag of chips? A cup of coffee? Sold! He's yours. Larry Johnson is going to rot on my bench for the rest of the season. I'm starting McClain and Hightower over him. Maybe McFadden will earn a starting spot eventually, but LJ is done for my team. I could start any random fullback and get 2 freaking yards.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
could he have thought he was doing the robbing?does he really need insight. that was a terrible trade for you. No backup needed.Thanks for the incredible insight. And your in-depth opinion is based on...You were robbed.Got Earnest Graham for him this week.Great! Can I trade him to you since nobody in my league is biting? What do you want to give me for him? A bag of chips? A cup of coffee? Sold! He's yours. Larry Johnson is going to rot on my bench for the rest of the season. I'm starting McClain and Hightower over him. Maybe McFadden will earn a starting spot eventually, but LJ is done for my team. I could start any random fullback and get 2 freaking yards.
Have LJ in 2 leagues. Just traded him in one (R.Bush,Salton,Jacobs,LJ,Perry) (This league scores 1 PT per 10 yards) and keeping in the other (LJ,Mc-daddy, Westbrook, Buckmaster) (You get 1 PT per 5 carries in this leauge)I packaged Jacobs and LJ for Witten and Addai this addressed my major weekness at TE.
He is a great trade for right now.
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Wrong! It was a great trade. As an LJ owner, I'd be thrilled to get Earnest Graham for him. Heck, I'm ready to trade LJ for a bag of chips like I said earlier. Anything more than a bag of chips or a cup of coffee for LJ is pure gravy.thehornet said:does he really need insight. that was a terrible trade for you. No backup needed.ourmanflint said:Thanks for the incredible insight. And your in-depth opinion is based on...YoUnG GuNz said:You were robbed.ourmanflint said:Got Earnest Graham for him this week.shredhead said:Great! Can I trade him to you since nobody in my league is biting? What do you want to give me for him? A bag of chips? A cup of coffee? Sold! He's yours. Larry Johnson is going to rot on my bench for the rest of the season. I'm starting McClain and Hightower over him. Maybe McFadden will earn a starting spot eventually, but LJ is done for my team. I could start any random fullback and get 2 freaking yards.Ministry of Pain said:Tanner9919 said:
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Let's just say, the fact that we're back to writing out "Larry Johnson" when talking about him is telling.
Sad truth right there.
Ned
Footballguy
:X :X :XWrong! It was a great trade. As an LJ owner, I'd be thrilled to get Earnest Graham for him. Heck, I'm ready to trade LJ for a bag of chips like I said earlier. Anything more than a bag of chips or a cup of coffee for LJ is pure gravy.thehornet said:does he really need insight. that was a terrible trade for you. No backup needed.ourmanflint said:Thanks for the incredible insight. And your in-depth opinion is based on...YoUnG GuNz said:You were robbed.ourmanflint said:Got Earnest Graham for him this week.shredhead said:Great! Can I trade him to you since nobody in my league is biting? What do you want to give me for him? A bag of chips? A cup of coffee? Sold! He's yours. Larry Johnson is going to rot on my bench for the rest of the season. I'm starting McClain and Hightower over him. Maybe McFadden will earn a starting spot eventually, but LJ is done for my team. I could start any random fullback and get 2 freaking yards.Ministry of Pain said:Tanner9919 said:
andrew11
Footballguy
You guys are all ridiculous. The FF community on a whole is the most fickle group of people on the planet. One week you love him, the next he's worthless.
LJ has real talent and real opportunity. He has had a few bad games this year and some great ones. Hasn't everyone? Michael Turner has had some 3 td games and then disappeared. Anyone trading him for a bag of chips?
Did anyone think LJ would blow up against Atlanta? Everyone calls it a fluke until he does it again the next week against Denver. The guy has had 2 awesome weeks, one OK week and two bad weeks and everyone is writing him off for the rest of the year. Might as well toss Andre Johnson aside too while your at it.
Amazing
LJ has real talent and real opportunity. He has had a few bad games this year and some great ones. Hasn't everyone? Michael Turner has had some 3 td games and then disappeared. Anyone trading him for a bag of chips?
Did anyone think LJ would blow up against Atlanta? Everyone calls it a fluke until he does it again the next week against Denver. The guy has had 2 awesome weeks, one OK week and two bad weeks and everyone is writing him off for the rest of the year. Might as well toss Andre Johnson aside too while your at it.
Amazing
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ourmanflint
Footballguy
Bah.Andre Johnson has not 1 but 2 more than effective QB's at the helm and some semblance of an offense. You dare to compare that situation to the nightmare in KC? Damon Huard, Brodie Croyle and Tyler Thigpen are the 3 Stooges of football. LJ is the man, but his team is diseased and dying.This team is rebuilding and has no intentions of trying to win games this year. Incredibly they are in worse shape than Detroit or Oakland or St. Louis. This is the worst offense in football and you never know what to expect even when the opponent is one of the above mentioned teams. That, my friend, is a recipe for fantasy disaster.I traded that for something a bit more manageable. I'll bump this thread at the end of the year and see how everyone feels about their opinions then. Not saying Graham is going to be a world-beater but at least he has some sort of an offense, a coach who knows what he is doing and a team that wants to win games THIS YEAR.
I like LJ, but he is really frustrating me and I sit at 2-3 with him as my #1 RB and I face the only 5-0 team in the league this week.
I just offered
McNabb
LJ
McGahee
for
ADP
Offer is being mulled over... I have Favre at QB as well and Grant as my RB2. Other team has Rothlisberger at QB and Ronnie Brown/McClain with ADP at RB...
I just offered
McNabb
LJ
McGahee
for
ADP
Offer is being mulled over... I have Favre at QB as well and Grant as my RB2. Other team has Rothlisberger at QB and Ronnie Brown/McClain with ADP at RB...
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
I think your post is ridiculous. Overlooking a player's surroundings and evaluating him on talent alone is a common mistake that inexperienced fantasy owners make all of the time. Hoping that LJ is going to magically transform into a stud just by sheer will is ignoring the undeniable truth that he is on a bad team that will not provide him the supporting cast that he needs to perform at a high level. LJ led me to two consecutive championships in my keeper league, but I was shopping him big time after the Denver game because it was clear to me that situation wasn't turning around. There isn't a QB coming off the bench that is going to make that offense click. There isn't offensive line help on the injured list that will come back and improve the blocking. And the defense is not going to suddenly start holding their own to the point where they can stay in games and keep running the ball.Most owners who drafted LJ drafted him as their RB1 or RB2. Every time he has a bad week chances are they are going to struggle and lose. The season is almost half over and LJ is facing the Titans and the Bucs two out of the next three weeks. I traded LJ for Willie Parker and it will probably be a move that pushes me over the top (again).
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Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
This is interesting.It needs its own poal . . .:X :X :XWrong! It was a great trade. As an LJ owner, I'd be thrilled to get Earnest Graham for him. Heck, I'm ready to trade LJ for a bag of chips like I said earlier. Anything more than a bag of chips or a cup of coffee for LJ is pure gravy.does he really need insight. that was a terrible trade for you. No backup needed.Thanks for the incredible insight. And your in-depth opinion is based on...You were robbed.Got Earnest Graham for him this week.Great! Can I trade him to you since nobody in my league is biting? What do you want to give me for him? A bag of chips? A cup of coffee? Sold! He's yours. Larry Johnson is going to rot on my bench for the rest of the season. I'm starting McClain and Hightower over him. Maybe McFadden will earn a starting spot eventually, but LJ is done for my team. I could start any random fullback and get 2 freaking yards.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
While agree that his week to week production is spotty, its pretty obvious to me that WHEN he gets the ball he produces. Take his point production worst to first:
week 5: 0.20 pts/7 carries
week 2: 2.20 pts/12 carries
week 1: 9.10 pts/22 carries
week 3: 18.10 pts/24 carries
week 4: 32.30 pts/28 carries
This guy needs a lot of carries to find his groove and to wear down defenses. I haven't watched a lot of his games this year, however, from what I have watched, he gets large chunks of yardage in the fourth, after he has beaten up the defense for three quarters. If the guy is not being used in the second half then he will put up clunkers. You'd think that with their QB situation they would be interested in running a ton and not dropping back their "quarterbacks" all game. Who knows. I don't think you can say the guy has dropped off talent-wise. I don't care who you are, if you rush for 200 yards and 2 TDs against any NFL team, even the broncos, you've still got something left in the tank.
Lets just hope that the Herm that wanted to get him the ball 400+ times comes back to KC. If so there's no reason he can't put up top ten numbers.
week 5: 0.20 pts/7 carries
week 2: 2.20 pts/12 carries
week 1: 9.10 pts/22 carries
week 3: 18.10 pts/24 carries
week 4: 32.30 pts/28 carries
This guy needs a lot of carries to find his groove and to wear down defenses. I haven't watched a lot of his games this year, however, from what I have watched, he gets large chunks of yardage in the fourth, after he has beaten up the defense for three quarters. If the guy is not being used in the second half then he will put up clunkers. You'd think that with their QB situation they would be interested in running a ton and not dropping back their "quarterbacks" all game. Who knows. I don't think you can say the guy has dropped off talent-wise. I don't care who you are, if you rush for 200 yards and 2 TDs against any NFL team, even the broncos, you've still got something left in the tank.
Lets just hope that the Herm that wanted to get him the ball 400+ times comes back to KC. If so there's no reason he can't put up top ten numbers.
ourmanflint
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3C's
Footballguy
He gets a lot of carries when they're winning or the score is close. When they're down by double digit points, they run less and Charles/Smith are in the game more. Who knows, maybe Croyle will be better than Huard but I wouldn't want to bet on it.
he has had 2 monster weeks, out of a total of 5, with that same 'surroundings' so writing him off is as ######ed as claiming he'll lead the league in rushing. The truth is obviously somewhere in between. THe poster stating that FFers are the most fickle, loving one week and hating the next, is spot on. Every player is looked at in very black and white terms. He's great! He's horrible! No one ever comes out and says, well LJ will be a middle of the road, servicable rb the rest of the way. THe ones that do will quantify it with 'start him against this this and this team, and bench him here here here and here. That strategy bites people in the ### more ofthen then it works for them. I'll tell you this much, I'll probably bench him against Tenn, but other than that he plays every game. And he will produce. He's too good a talent no to, and herm is too much an idiot to not run him into the ground for the hopes of breaking 4 wins for the year...
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Being fickle is one thing and I totally agree that many are fickle. But are you watching the games? I have watched all but one of their games. These guys are high school. They bring a whole new meaning to the word "suck". If they looked like they had a plan half the time than I would have some confidence that I could predict what the guy was going to do. But believe me this guy has gone a long way towards wrecking some fantasy seasons this year and will continue to do so.
Can't say I've watched any games, sans the Denver game which I watched about half of. However, I do know herm well, being a jets fan, so I know exactly what you're speaking of. However, none of that trumps the numbers he has put up in a couple of games. There have been many a rb through the history of this league that has played on terrible/directionless/coached by idiots teams that have done fairly well. I don't think having a great team is a prerequisite for a rb to be successful in fantasy football terms. Definitely need a decent line, but beyond that a rb's production lies on his own head more so than any other position on the team. I think, you see LJ at the end of the year with ~1500 yards, and 10 tds, which is nothing to scoff at. And considering how many of the top tier rbs are either outright flopping or producing at highly mediocre clips, LJ shouldn't be so looked down upon. He will give you the volitality of a wr with 30 yard games, and 170 yard games(with a 4 yard game sprinkled in!) but the overall production at the end of the year should be fairly solid, which means playing matchups with him will cause you to miss out on some solid weeks by him. Just my opinion. And as far as fickle goes, wait till he has another 150 yard game, everyone will be back on teh bandwagon claiming all sorts of cliched things like, 'he's running with a purpose!' or 'his line seems to be gelling!' or 'that offense has really picked up!'Like clockwork...
If and when that happens, I'm hoping he's someone else's headache by then.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
Some of my leaguemates here at FBG can vouch that I have a HUGE LJ MANCRUSH... anyway..
Wait Pray for another good game and then deal the Big Man. Unfortunately this team can't hold a lead and once they get behind LJ's a forgotten man. KC doesn't even pass to hm when they're down and it seems like Charles is slowly becoming the one catching passes out of the backfield.
Now don't get me wrong, if KC has a team by the throat then the rock is going to Johnson until they beat you into submission ...but do you really wanna put your money on KC getting and holding a lead?
FWIW,
I sold off for Gore after LJ's Denver Adventure. Almost cried myself to sleep, but I'm feeling pretty good about it now. (7 touches for 2 yards?? ...who does this kinda ####?)
Wait Pray for another good game and then deal the Big Man. Unfortunately this team can't hold a lead and once they get behind LJ's a forgotten man. KC doesn't even pass to hm when they're down and it seems like Charles is slowly becoming the one catching passes out of the backfield.
Now don't get me wrong, if KC has a team by the throat then the rock is going to Johnson until they beat you into submission ...but do you really wanna put your money on KC getting and holding a lead?
FWIW,
I sold off for Gore after LJ's Denver Adventure. Almost cried myself to sleep, but I'm feeling pretty good about it now. (7 touches for 2 yards?? ...who does this kinda ####?)
Fair enough. I am, however, willing to bet my left nut that he will outproduce Graham, especially with the resugrence of Dunn, and Caddilac back in the mix at some point. I'm also willing to bet that he will be ahead of more than a few 1st rounders, the way this season is panning out...
Don't know what you got...till its gone...and replaced by crappier stuff...
Don't know what you got...till its gone...and replaced by crappier stuff...
There will be no team that will route them in KC. None in the league. NE couldn't do it, and Denver lost outright. They will hang with teams at home, which is half the battle right there. I'm telling you, if you like 1500 and 10, hold onto LJ. If you want a 3 headed monster, trade him for Earnest Graham. If you can get a bush/gore/SJax type in a package deal, do it immediately. If you're getting offers for Grant/addai/MJD, its fools gold. Thats the point I'm making here. Guys like MJD and grant, everyone is looking at as buy low's, they'll turn it around. I have my doubts on that, and would rather hold onto LJ. And if I can buy him on the cheap, will attempt to do so...
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
I agree, it'd have to be the right deal.
I just don't know how you can trust LJ in your lineup in any given week. The only gift this year was the Denver game. Even the Atlanta game *should* have been a stinker for LJ, but he pulled a 2007 McGahee and was effective during the last gasp comeback attempt when the game was 24-7 and 31-14. The team did not go away from LJ and he produced most of his numbers in the 2nd half against a defense protecting a big lead. Last week vs. Carolina, LJ didn't see the ball after the mid-3rd quarter, which has to be disturbing if you own him (I do in one league, in another dynasty I traded Brady and LJ for Cutler right after Brady went down).
The reality is that opposing offenses are doing almost whatever they want against the KC D, and their offense is getting manhandled by opposing defenses. LJ is not like Steven Jackson, where you know he's going to get his 5 catches and he's talented enough to break a long one even against a tough defense. So if you have him right now, you're holding him for... the SD matchups and DEN matchup? Another problem here is that, let's say LJ does put up a good game out of the bye against TEN somehow, but of course on your bench. Are you going to then feel good enough to plug him in against the Jets on the road next week, who havent even allowed a 70 yard rusher yet? I think owning LJ is going to be a recipe for frustration whether you start him or not.
The reality is that opposing offenses are doing almost whatever they want against the KC D, and their offense is getting manhandled by opposing defenses. LJ is not like Steven Jackson, where you know he's going to get his 5 catches and he's talented enough to break a long one even against a tough defense. So if you have him right now, you're holding him for... the SD matchups and DEN matchup? Another problem here is that, let's say LJ does put up a good game out of the bye against TEN somehow, but of course on your bench. Are you going to then feel good enough to plug him in against the Jets on the road next week, who havent even allowed a 70 yard rusher yet? I think owning LJ is going to be a recipe for frustration whether you start him or not.
The NE game was in NE, and clearly, the Brady injury took the wind out of the Pats sails.The OAK game was in KC, and Oakland just pushed them around like a JV team.
I would take MJD or Addai for him in a heartbeat, Id add more on the LJ side to get it done. half a heartbeat. Probably Grant too, although he comes with the risk of Rodgers going down and that offense looking like KCs for the rest of the year.
LJ will have 3 or 4 decent to great games over the rest of the season, but you're going to have to absorb 7 or 8 week-killers to get those games.
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Neither MJD nor addia will match LJ's production. They might come close combined. But thats my opinion, and the popular one is that they both bounce back. BUY LOW! Well sir, you're selling low on LJ at the moment, and that is a cardinal sin in FF isn't it. Its all about perception I guess. A guy splitting 50/50 on a mediorce offensive team is worth more to you than a 20+ carries a game guy on a fairly terrible team. Your perrogative. Time will tell, always does...
puckalicious
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mozzy84
Footballguy
wow you have way more faith in LJ than I, I would take MJD in a second for him.
JoeyJoeJoeJr
Footballguy
That's the problem -- LJ isn't consistently getting 20+ carries a game. This year, 40% of the time, he's getting single digit carries. Granted it's a small sample size, but it appears that this team is more interested in draft position than winning games. LJ is getting carries when the score is close, or when KC is in the lead. He's being pulled out on passing downs, and hasn't been in consistently when the team somehow finds itself in the redzone, which isn't that often. It would be one thing if KC showed that they were going to lean on LJ to grind out games, but they just aren't. FWIW, I traded LJ and Aaron Rodgers for Marshawn Lynch and Trent Edwards, with Brees as my QB starter. I don't know if it's a great trade or not, but I'd rather have the consistency of about 75 yards and a TD vs 2-200 yards and 0-2 TDs, and wondering whether my RB#1 will have more than 7 carries on a given sunday.
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