azngangster
Footballguy
After today's game, do you think it is time to sell high or will we see more games the rest of the year like the one today?
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I bought low last week, very happy with the first week thus far. He has a weak schedule the rest of the way.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
It all depends on what you'd get back.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
No
azngangster
Footballguy
My intent is not to sell, but I am asking if it is wise to sell now since many may feel like LJ is in for a massive turnaround which may not be the case even thought his schedule is much easier. His perceived value may be higher after he had a good week. As a Bengals fan, I know how bad our defense is so I am asking if it is smart to sell high because this might one of the better games LJ has all year.
SKribbles
Footballguy
This is only the beginning. KC offense is finally showing some life now that Herm realized he has one of the best TEs ever. LJ started slow last year and we all know how he finished. Combine missing training camp this year with the horrible schedule, another slow start was expected.I expect LJ to avg 100yds and a TD from here on out.
tkrull
Footballguy
Obviously he looked better this week than the previous 5. He was more decisive and there were actually holes to run through. That said, the Bengals were starting Robert Geathers, a defensive end, at linebacker. The Bengals D is very bad and that had a bigger impact on Larry's numbers than Larry or his O-line did.
Larry will be servicable for the remainder of the season. I'd just be careful about any matchups where the opposing D has a strong interior game (like the Jags DTs, for example).
Larry will be servicable for the remainder of the season. I'd just be careful about any matchups where the opposing D has a strong interior game (like the Jags DTs, for example).
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Now is the perfect time to sell Larry Johnson. Overall he was horrible. He averaged under 4 yards a carry against the Bengals. He had like 110 yards. Over 100 of them were in the first half. This isn't his year. If you can get somebody good for him don't hesitate.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Hell, outside of AD you might as well trade away every RB in the NFL the way you talk. Seriously almost every RB in the league has put up pretty pedestrian type of numbers thus far.
largentslovechild
Footballguy
Cincinnati's defense couldn't have been worse. I feel thankful LJ put up the day that he did.
I'm moving him the first fair offer I can find, and I'll be more than happy to eat crow if Kansas City can muster to get him 16fp/g from here on out.
With that oline, I seriously doubt it.
I'm moving him the first fair offer I can find, and I'll be more than happy to eat crow if Kansas City can muster to get him 16fp/g from here on out.
With that oline, I seriously doubt it.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
please explain. who would you take for him?
Ned
Footballguy
go ahead, say it. take away his long runs and he sucked.
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Was pretty unimpressive. Numbers came from the sheer number of carries he got against one of the worst run defense in the league.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Don't need to. The numbers speak for themselves. People can delude themselves all they want into thinking that LJ turned a corner or the switch turned on and that's fine. It's plain as day to see that he wasn't that great. As long as he plays the Bengals every week and gets 30+ carries he should be fine.
Ned
Footballguy
whats next....take away adp's 3 tds and he only had 50yds?Don't need to. The numbers speak for themselves. People can delude themselves all they want into thinking that LJ turned a corner or the switch turned on and that's fine. It's plain as day to see that he wasn't that great. As long as he plays the Bengals every week and gets 30+ carries he should be fine.
yinzer
Footballguy
This topic just reminds me about all of the ppl after week 2 or so said "Sell High on ADP" right now! because Taylor will steal carries when he's healthy again and ADP is injury prone and will be injured soonTo that I say HAH!!How are those who 'sold high' on ADP feeling now?...and what I was trying to say was keep LJ. Anyone who drafted him should of expected his game by game output to be similar considering he missed camp, has faced a brutal Run D schedule, and the loss of perennial pro-bowler Will Shields.He's got one of the 5 easiest schedules here on out IMO. And who does he face next week? that team in Cali that LT rolled 200 and 4 on todayBojang0301 said:
"....we've only just begun..."
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Avery
Footballguy
Here's your definitive answer.If you think that Herm has destroyed the Chiefs and a game like today's is more an aberration of LJ from here on out then sell. If you think that this is the beginning of the "return of LJ" and this is the norm to come, hold.It's purely fortune telling at this point on, so your guess is as good as anybodies.azngangster said:
largentslovechild
Footballguy
The Jerk
Footballguy
Breakdown of LJ's 31 carries for 119 yards:
1Q: 7 carries 37 yards (2 negative carries and 1 no gain)
2Q: 9 carries 69 yards 1 TD (2 negative carries)
3Q: 4 carries 9 yards (1 negative carry)
4Q: 11 carries 4 yards (5 negative carries and 1 no gain)
Obviously, once KC had the lead, the Bengals were able to shut LJ down. I'm not sure what it means looking forward, but if you look at the first half, 16 carries for 106 yards and a TD is good work no matter the opponent. The second half, 15 carries for 13 yards was what we've seen most of the season for LJ.
Personally, I would hold him unless I was overwhelmed by the offer. KC seems to be improving as a team and as an offense, and their schedule is still quite favorable for Weeks 14 and 16.
1Q: 7 carries 37 yards (2 negative carries and 1 no gain)
2Q: 9 carries 69 yards 1 TD (2 negative carries)
3Q: 4 carries 9 yards (1 negative carry)
4Q: 11 carries 4 yards (5 negative carries and 1 no gain)
Obviously, once KC had the lead, the Bengals were able to shut LJ down. I'm not sure what it means looking forward, but if you look at the first half, 16 carries for 106 yards and a TD is good work no matter the opponent. The second half, 15 carries for 13 yards was what we've seen most of the season for LJ.
Personally, I would hold him unless I was overwhelmed by the offer. KC seems to be improving as a team and as an offense, and their schedule is still quite favorable for Weeks 14 and 16.
Rounders
Footballguy
Perfect timing for this topic.....I offered the LJ owner in our league McNabb and Rudi for LJ. He countered and asked for Romo and Rudi.....I told him I would get back to him.
The way I see it, is my team is struggling at 2-4. I need to string together some wins to make the playoffs. LJ is the type of player that can put a fantasy team on his back and carry them (at least he's done it in the past). I think that's the question that lies their, can LJ get me to the playoffs??? Still mulling that one over.
The way I see it, is my team is struggling at 2-4. I need to string together some wins to make the playoffs. LJ is the type of player that can put a fantasy team on his back and carry them (at least he's done it in the past). I think that's the question that lies their, can LJ get me to the playoffs??? Still mulling that one over.
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He has several more plum matchups coming up. And a coach who feeds him the ball a ton. Unimpressive gets it done for me because we don't score style points in any of my leagues.
CIN predicted correctly that KC would force the run in the fourth qtr since KC had the lead. Herm went back to the predictable and conservative playcalling of run/run/run and CIN stopped LJ. BTW, in the past, KC could (for the most part) line up and tell the other team that they were going to run the ball and do so effectively but that was then and this is now and KC has a crappy OL now which is why KC can't move the ball unless they prove that they can and will throw the ball. That's why KC's getting all the big plays through the air because the DEF's are predicting and playing the run.I think LJ will be up and down while Herm is still learning that KC has to throw the ball to keep the DEF honest but I think Herm will learn and that's the reason that he's been able to get to the playoffs as much as he has. I think Holmes will take 5-10 carries a game while LJ continues to get 20 carries and Holmes will be productive and motivate LJ to be productive as well. If Eddie Kennison ever gets healthy it will be a good thing for sustaining drives and making the passing game even more effective, which will in turn make the running game more effective.I'd keep LJ but I'm not sure that their struggles running the ball are over and so the buy low point for LJ may still be in front of us. However, I do think that LJ will turn it around and finish strong and make fools of those that traded him.The Jerk said:
Exactly, why in the word do people start these threads. It is good to sell a guy like D. Williams and J. Norwood who had above average games last week and get some value if you can. But every week I see sell LJ, sell R. Brown, etc. I always ask WHY? If you drafted again they would be first round picks, and everyone wants to sell.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
This is the kind of quality posts that make the SP great.The Jerk said:
People may not like this deal, but my reasoning is that my team was not good enough to make a serious run at a Championship.
I gave:
Campbell
AD
Santonio
got:
Brees
LJ
Colston
Maybe it was the worst trade ever, but looking at the Chiefs and Saints schedules I don't think so. Regardless, it's about winning a championship and the only way I would get there would be to take a shot. I feel I upgraded at QB and WR while staying the same at RB. We'll see though.
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this was in response to the post above, not a how do you like my trade. Considering most people wouldn't like this trade, I'm not looking for opinions.
I gave:
Campbell
AD
Santonio
got:
Brees
LJ
Colston
Maybe it was the worst trade ever, but looking at the Chiefs and Saints schedules I don't think so. Regardless, it's about winning a championship and the only way I would get there would be to take a shot. I feel I upgraded at QB and WR while staying the same at RB. We'll see though.
Edit to add:
this was in response to the post above, not a how do you like my trade. Considering most people wouldn't like this trade, I'm not looking for opinions.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
I'll be the first to eat crow if needed, but I couldn't wait to unload LJ after last week's game. I had been a staunch supporter, especially with the SOS change. But I did not like what I saw vs. Cincy at home. He will never have an easier matchup. The backwards trend in the 4th quarter was the kicker. Sure, the Chiefs were predictable. But in the past they would have worn down opponents and LJ would have rolled. No more. The O line is horrid, getting no push whatsover. He'll still do OK (100 yards on 30 carries) , but the days of seeing 5 YPC and 2 TD's per game are gone in my opinon. The line is especially bad in the red zone, and I don't think his 1 TD year to date is a fluke.
I traded LJ, Kevin Jones and Marc Bulger this week for Willie Parker, Chad Johnson and Chad Pennington.
I traded LJ, Kevin Jones and Marc Bulger this week for Willie Parker, Chad Johnson and Chad Pennington.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
although it's against conventional wisdom, it's not a horrible idea in theory.
the question is, who do you sell him high for?
he has just as good a chance of being the top RB from here on out as anyone and the people who will challenge him probably are considered somewhat untouchable from their owners.
LT owners wouldn't trade him.
i wouldn't give LJ for ronnie brown.
or willie parker
addai owners wouldn't trade him and i'm not sure i'd give LJ for him anyway
same for ADP
if you think any of those guys are clearly better than LJ and the LJ owner disagrees, then you have some possiblities.
i'm not convinced i'd rather have any of those guys over LJ from here on out, but obviously no one really knows.
the question is, who do you sell him high for?
he has just as good a chance of being the top RB from here on out as anyone and the people who will challenge him probably are considered somewhat untouchable from their owners.
LT owners wouldn't trade him.
i wouldn't give LJ for ronnie brown.
or willie parker
addai owners wouldn't trade him and i'm not sure i'd give LJ for him anyway
same for ADP
if you think any of those guys are clearly better than LJ and the LJ owner disagrees, then you have some possiblities.
i'm not convinced i'd rather have any of those guys over LJ from here on out, but obviously no one really knows.
Tenacious
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
i view LJ as at least equal to any RB in the game from here on out, so i'd expect that value back in a trade. i'm sure there are plenty of LJ owners in other leagues feel differently, though.
Tenacious
Footballguy
I'm holding. At least for now. I think he value continues to climb from here.
The Jerk
Footballguy
You're going to have to take a perceived hit to trade LJ for another RB. If your team has sufficient RB depth, once your byes are clear, you might trade him to upgrade at another position or two. It would need to be a pretty substantial upgrade to make it worthwhile, of course.Tenacious said:pollardsvision said:
