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Lattimore vs Christine Michael (1 Viewer)

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Have my dynasty draft tonight and expect to have to decide between Lattimore and Michael at the 11th pick. I am set at RB this year, so I am strictly thinking 2014 and beyond. Who would you guys take? I think Lattimore is the better talent and has less people standing in his way (Gore on his way out vs Lynch still young and producing in Seattle), but the the injury is obviously a huge red flag. I'm thinking Michael is the better choice, since he has more value THIS year and could be a good trade chip if needed.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

 
I had the same decision at 1.07 and went with Michael. I figured either guy was swinging for the fences and felt like Michael had more upside.

 
I like Lattimore but both seem like good choices, for me I think Lattimore is a hard worker and will make it back from injury and be a force in '14.

 
Give me Lattimore. He was a BEAST in college and should be fine health wise next year...

Plus I think Gore is closer to finished than Lynch.

 
To me it is close.

If I have IR spots and can stash Lattimore there, I like him a little better. Giving an extra roster spot.

 
I had the choice and went Lattimore. I love the story and the kid. It might not work out, but I'm rooting for him and if he hits, it will be pretty nice to have him on my squad.

 
Have my dynasty draft tonight and expect to have to decide between Lattimore and Michael at the 11th pick. I am set at RB this year, so I am strictly thinking 2014 and beyond. Who would you guys take? I think Lattimore is the better talent and has less people standing in his way (Gore on his way out vs Lynch still young and producing in Seattle), but the the injury is obviously a huge red flag. I'm thinking Michael is the better choice, since he has more value THIS year and could be a good trade chip if needed.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!
Michael and I honestly don't think it's close.

Much better athlete. Better injury history. Already looking like a starting caliber RB in the NFL.

Strongly endorse Michael here.

 
Have my dynasty draft tonight and expect to have to decide between Lattimore and Michael at the 11th pick. I am set at RB this year, so I am strictly thinking 2014 and beyond. Who would you guys take? I think Lattimore is the better talent and has less people standing in his way (Gore on his way out vs Lynch still young and producing in Seattle), but the the injury is obviously a huge red flag. I'm thinking Michael is the better choice, since he has more value THIS year and could be a good trade chip if needed.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!
Michael and I honestly don't think it's close.

Much better athlete. Better injury history. Already looking like a starting caliber RB in the NFL.

Strongly endorse Michael here.
Finally a voice of reason. We have no way to know if ML ever makes it back to close to 100%. Michael is healthy now, and looking good. Don't know why anyone would take ML first given what we have seen so far.

 
Have my dynasty draft tonight and expect to have to decide between Lattimore and Michael at the 11th pick. I am set at RB this year, so I am strictly thinking 2014 and beyond. Who would you guys take? I think Lattimore is the better talent and has less people standing in his way (Gore on his way out vs Lynch still young and producing in Seattle), but the the injury is obviously a huge red flag. I'm thinking Michael is the better choice, since he has more value THIS year and could be a good trade chip if needed.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!
Michael and I honestly don't think it's close.

Much better athlete. Better injury history. Already looking like a starting caliber RB in the NFL.

Strongly endorse Michael here.
Sums up my feelings as well.

Preseason or not, Michael definitely looks like he belongs.With the upside of being one of the better RB's in the league.

 
Have my dynasty draft tonight and expect to have to decide between Lattimore and Michael at the 11th pick. I am set at RB this year, so I am strictly thinking 2014 and beyond. Who would you guys take? I think Lattimore is the better talent and has less people standing in his way (Gore on his way out vs Lynch still young and producing in Seattle), but the the injury is obviously a huge red flag. I'm thinking Michael is the better choice, since he has more value THIS year and could be a good trade chip if needed.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!
Michael and I honestly don't think it's close.

Much better athlete. Better injury history. Already looking like a starting caliber RB in the NFL.

Strongly endorse Michael here.
Sums up my feelings as well.

Preseason or not, Michael definitely looks like he belongs.With the upside of being one of the better RB's in the league.
Yea, I mean Michael is basically already looking like what you'd hope Lattimore can eventually become. So why not skip the step and get the guy who's already doing it?

Even if you put the whole preseason aside, I think you can make a case that Lattimore doesn't belong in the top 12 of a rookie draft. Just too many ??? about his fitness and durability. Bear in mind that he fell all the way to the late 4th round of the NFL draft. That's not a high pick. It's longshot territory. Obviously the injury provides a bit of an excuse, but McGahee was dealing with something similar and he still went in the 1st. Excuses hold a little bit of sway, but in the end a 4th rounder is still a 4th rounder. If that's the maximum level of risk that an NFL team was willing to take on for this player then I don't think you can consider him an elite prospect. I think Lattimore's dynasty value has been overhyped on the basis of his name brand value and what people thought he would be 2-3 years ago.

He seems like a good person and I hope he's successful, but I'm actually surprised that some people would still prefer him to Michael. I don't mean to sound like a jerk. I just don't see how it's close right now. I really think this is a pretty clear-cut decision. I would take Michael and feel really good about getting him in the late 1st round. I have him rated as a top 4 pick in this FF class at the moment.

 
Have my dynasty draft tonight and expect to have to decide between Lattimore and Michael at the 11th pick. I am set at RB this year, so I am strictly thinking 2014 and beyond. Who would you guys take? I think Lattimore is the better talent and has less people standing in his way (Gore on his way out vs Lynch still young and producing in Seattle), but the the injury is obviously a huge red flag. I'm thinking Michael is the better choice, since he has more value THIS year and could be a good trade chip if needed.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!
Michael and I honestly don't think it's close.

Much better athlete. Better injury history. Already looking like a starting caliber RB in the NFL.

Strongly endorse Michael here.
Sums up my feelings as well.

Preseason or not, Michael definitely looks like he belongs.With the upside of being one of the better RB's in the league.
Yea, I mean Michael is basically already looking like what you'd hope Lattimore can eventually become. So why not skip the step and get the guy who's already doing it?

Even if you put the whole preseason aside, I think you can make a case that Lattimore doesn't belong in the top 12 of a rookie draft. Just too many ??? about his fitness and durability. Bear in mind that he fell all the way to the late 4th round of the NFL draft. That's not a high pick. It's longshot territory. Obviously the injury provides a bit of an excuse, but McGahee was dealing with something similar and he still went in the 1st. Excuses hold a little bit of sway, but in the end a 4th rounder is still a 4th rounder. If that's the maximum level of risk that an NFL team was willing to take on for this player then I don't think you can consider him an elite prospect. I think Lattimore's dynasty value has been overhyped on the basis of his name brand value and what people thought he would be 2-3 years ago.

He seems like a good person and I hope he's successful, but I'm actually surprised that some people would still prefer him to Michael. I don't mean to sound like a jerk. I just don't see how it's close right now. I really think this is a pretty clear-cut decision. I would take Michael and feel really good about getting him in the late 1st round. I have him rated as a top 4 pick in this FF class at the moment.
Michael could realistically be sitting behind Lynch for 3 years - Lynch's contract is pretty reasonable. Obviously Michael would be gold if there's an injury to Lynch but Lattimore has a pretty clear path to starting IMO.

 
Have my dynasty draft tonight and expect to have to decide between Lattimore and Michael at the 11th pick. I am set at RB this year, so I am strictly thinking 2014 and beyond. Who would you guys take? I think Lattimore is the better talent and has less people standing in his way (Gore on his way out vs Lynch still young and producing in Seattle), but the the injury is obviously a huge red flag. I'm thinking Michael is the better choice, since he has more value THIS year and could be a good trade chip if needed.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!
Michael and I honestly don't think it's close.

Much better athlete. Better injury history. Already looking like a starting caliber RB in the NFL.

Strongly endorse Michael here.
Sums up my feelings as well.

Preseason or not, Michael definitely looks like he belongs.With the upside of being one of the better RB's in the league.
Yea, I mean Michael is basically already looking like what you'd hope Lattimore can eventually become. So why not skip the step and get the guy who's already doing it?

Even if you put the whole preseason aside, I think you can make a case that Lattimore doesn't belong in the top 12 of a rookie draft. Just too many ??? about his fitness and durability. Bear in mind that he fell all the way to the late 4th round of the NFL draft. That's not a high pick. It's longshot territory. Obviously the injury provides a bit of an excuse, but McGahee was dealing with something similar and he still went in the 1st. Excuses hold a little bit of sway, but in the end a 4th rounder is still a 4th rounder. If that's the maximum level of risk that an NFL team was willing to take on for this player then I don't think you can consider him an elite prospect. I think Lattimore's dynasty value has been overhyped on the basis of his name brand value and what people thought he would be 2-3 years ago.

He seems like a good person and I hope he's successful, but I'm actually surprised that some people would still prefer him to Michael. I don't mean to sound like a jerk. I just don't see how it's close right now. I really think this is a pretty clear-cut decision. I would take Michael and feel really good about getting him in the late 1st round. I have him rated as a top 4 pick in this FF class at the moment.
Michael could realistically be sitting behind Lynch for 3 years - Lynch's contract is pretty reasonable. Obviously Michael would be gold if there's an injury to Lynch but Lattimore has a pretty clear path to starting IMO.
i think it's a close call b/t lattimore and michael, although i'd lean slightly to michael. but lynch's contract i wouldn't say is reasonable compared to what they'd pay michael. plus there's some bonuses in his contract that make it pretty steep if he stays past next year.

 
Michael could realistically be sitting behind Lynch for 3 years - Lynch's contract is pretty reasonable. Obviously Michael would be gold if there's an injury to Lynch but Lattimore has a pretty clear path to starting IMO.
So did Zac Stacy. Opportunity is only one variable though. Michael looks like an NFL starter. Exactly when he'll get the opportunity to start remains to be seen, but it seems pretty clear to me that the talent is there. I think people who pass on him now will regret it deeply in the near future. It's not like Lattimore is going to play this year anyway. And yes, Gore is old, but it's not like San Francisco has an empty stable. LaMichael James, Kendall Hunter, Jewel Hampton. They've drafted at least one RB in the first 4 rounds each of the past three seasons and they also signed Brandon Jacobs at one point. They are not going to rest on their laurels and hand the job to Lattimore.

Michael looks like a dynamite talent and his value will only rise as his opportunity expands. Buy, buy, buy if you have the opportunity.

 
I will be the contrarian and say Lattimore. Yeah, I realize he has a long road back, and Michael not only is healthy, but he looks dynamite . . . but, both of these guys are extremely talented, I like Lattimore's path to being a starter sooner, and Lattimore has a better record, stronger character, etc.

I traded down, figuring I could grab Lattimore at a cheaper price than Michael.

I honestly think it is a very close call, but I suspect Michael will generally cost you considerably more given his success this preseason.

 
Michael could realistically be sitting behind Lynch for 3 years - Lynch's contract is pretty reasonable. Obviously Michael would be gold if there's an injury to Lynch but Lattimore has a pretty clear path to starting IMO.
So did Zac Stacy. Opportunity is only one variable though. Michael looks like an NFL starter. Exactly when he'll get the opportunity to start remains to be seen, but it seems pretty clear to me that the talent is there. I think people who pass on him now will regret it deeply in the near future. It's not like Lattimore is going to play this year anyway. And yes, Gore is old, but it's not like San Francisco has an empty stable. LaMichael James, Kendall Hunter, Jewel Hampton. They've drafted at least one RB in the first 4 rounds each of the past three seasons and they also signed Brandon Jacobs at one point. They are not going to rest on their laurels and hand the job to Lattimore.

Michael looks like a dynamite talent and his value will only rise as his opportunity expands. Buy, buy, buy if you have the opportunity.
I get what you are saying and I don't disagree exactly, but I felt Lattimore was the more dynamic and more accomplished player in college. i put the 4th round tag on him due to both the severity and number of injuries for him. Granted, that makes Lattimore the higher risk, but judging by their college careers, I have Lattimore as the better talent and having the higher upside IF (and that is a mighty big if) he can regain previous form.

Having said that, I certainly like what CM has shown in preseason. It has been impressive and has me recalibrating my projections for him. I honestly think this is a question of which flavor do you prefer?

The other angle you could go with is using ML as a stock option. Buy him now and I am sure the only news we will get for a year is how amazing his comeback is and how he is confounding all the doctors with his incredible healing powers ,then turn around and trade him for a lot more than you paid for him this season (assuming you can hold him on your roster).

 
Give me Lattimore. He was a BEAST in college and should be fine health wise next year...

Plus I think Gore is closer to finished than Lynch.
I think Lynch is a free agent next year.
Lynch just signed a four year deal in 2012 that runs through 2015.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/3/8/2852948/marshawn-lynchs-contract-details-disclosed
True, but sharks should look a little closer at Lynch's contract. This year his base salary was guaranteed. Next year, his base is not guaranteed and he is owed a $500K roster bonus. He will count $7M against the cap. He will have only $3M in prorated signing bonus left. So, if Seattle releases him after June 1, I believe they SAVE $5.5M ON NEXT YEARS CAP. Plus, let's not forget that he still may face some discipline for his DUI arrest, the trial for which is postponed until December I think. And finally, not only did Seattle draft Michael in Round 2 this year, but also RB Spencer Ware in Round 5. This is a RECIPE FOR CUTTING A 28-YEAR OLD LYNCH ON JUNE 1, 2014. Along with Michael's superior talent (which we have seen in the preseason), this is why I drafted Michael in the late first round of 4 out of 4 rookie dynasty drafts over Lattimore...

 
The other angle you could go with is using ML as a stock option. Buy him now and I am sure the only news we will get for a year is how amazing his comeback is and how he is confounding all the doctors with his incredible healing powers ,then turn around and trade him for a lot more than you paid for him this season (assuming you can hold him on your roster).
I'd say the same for Michael. Look at the value bump that David Wilson and Lamar Miller got when the path cleared. That will happen for Michael too.

He's stinking up the joint right now against Oakland, but as a whole he has had a great preseason. Positive buzz right from the start carrying over to production in the games.

I think one of the skills that can be valuable in dynasty is the ability to spot the guys who are going to pop right before everyone else catches on. Like Demaryius Thomas, CJ Spiller, LeSean McCoy, and Jimmy Graham. There was a time when those players weren't untouchable. It's a stretch to put Michael on that level right now, but he has the feel of a guy headed for that trajectory. I think he's a player where people will be looking back in another couple years wondering why they didn't pounce when he wasn't untouchable.

I think people are being way too optimistic about Lattimore. Two severe knee injuries in two years. He was basically a flyer by the 49ers. The idea that he's: A.) going to get back to his old 100% B.) have an easy path to a starting role and C.) actually stay healthy requires a huge leap of faith. I think it's a smaller leap with Michael. All of the signs point towards him being a legit talent. The main variable is opportunity. I think that's a "when" rather than an "if." :shrug: I generally advocate the longview in dynasty and I don't see that equation favoring Lattimore over Michael based on what we know today. It's one thing if you take a guy like Gio who has a real chance to produce this year, but Lattimore will be on the sidelines all season and in the same position a year from now that Michael is in today. A rookie looking to prove himself and carve out a role.

 
For those saying that Beastmode is getting cut next year, the same can be said about Gore. 9ers save 6.25 million with zero dead space by cutting him. I think it's a done deal. They will need a lot of money to extend Kaepernick.

 
Talent is not the issue with Michael - if he stays healthy and out of trouble he will be a star in the league. However, I greatly question whether he'll ever stand up to a full NFL season when he was never able to in college. He's a character risk as well and you never know when he'll do something stupid (i.e. sleeping through combine meetings).

I like him as an early 2nd pick but not before Lattimore. His injury was gruesome but if there's a guy I think can recover from it, it's Lattimore.

 
For those saying that Beastmode is getting cut next year, the same can be said about Gore. 9ers save 6.25 million with zero dead space by cutting him. I think it's a done deal. They will need a lot of money to extend Kaepernick.
For both these guys there's the possibility they take pay cuts to stay.

 
For those saying that Beastmode is getting cut next year, the same can be said about Gore. 9ers save 6.25 million with zero dead space by cutting him. I think it's a done deal. They will need a lot of money to extend Kaepernick.
Gore is old. He's much more likely to be cut next year.

 
I like Michael by a pretty big margin to be honest. Lattimore may or may not ever do what Michael's already done.

 
Update? So what did you do?
Hey, guys

Thanks for all the input. Ironically, the decision was taken out of my hands, as the guy picking just before me took Lattimore. So I took Michael. For what it's worth, I did decide I would take Lattimore before the draft just for the reason that he has a clearer path to playing time next year. But now the Lynch owner (who was picking right behind me and was SUPER pissed I took Michael) is harassing me for Michael. So I may be able to work out a flip there.

I also got Lacy with the #2 pick that I acquired via trade last year. The part that sucks was that I had a deal worked out with the David Wilson owner to deal the pick to him for Wilson straight up if Gio Bernard was available, but the guy picking #1 put the kibosh on that by taking Gio. And then Andre Brown broke his leg, adding salt to the wound, lol

Thanks again for the input, everyone

 
Update? So what did you do?
Hey, guys

Thanks for all the input. Ironically, the decision was taken out of my hands, as the guy picking just before me took Lattimore. So I took Michael. For what it's worth, I did decide I would take Lattimore before the draft just for the reason that he has a clearer path to playing time next year. But now the Lynch owner (who was picking right behind me and was SUPER pissed I took Michael) is harassing me for Michael. So I may be able to work out a flip there.

I also got Lacy with the #2 pick that I acquired via trade last year. The part that sucks was that I had a deal worked out with the David Wilson owner to deal the pick to him for Wilson straight up if Gio Bernard was available, but the guy picking #1 put the kibosh on that by taking Gio. And then Andre Brown broke his leg, adding salt to the wound, lol

Thanks again for the input, everyone
Sell HIGH. Don't give in.

 
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I cant open the link since its blocked--How long can he stay on that?
Beginning the season on the NFI list means the rookie running back will miss at least the season's first six games. However, keeping Lattimore off injured reserve also leaves the door cracked -- however slightly -- for a potential return late in the season.

 
I like Michael by a pretty big margin to be honest. Lattimore may or may not ever do what Michael's already done.
I like Michael as well, but what has he actully done? If you've followed football for the past 4 years you've heard and seen much more of Lattimore. There's one reason he wasn't a 1st round NFL pick.
 
You just hit part of the reason why he's overrated. Everyone knows his name and what he was supposed to be (2 years and 2 knee surgeries ago). Michael was a much higher draft pick. He has already looked like a boss against NFL players. Go YouTube the highlights. I think this is an easy call.

 
Durability is major concern for both players, they are high ceiling/ low floor guys. Love Lattimore's intangibles and rooting for him but I went with Michael at #5 in recent keeper league. Lattimore went #8. RBs are scarce in this league.

 
The other angle you could go with is using ML as a stock option. Buy him now and I am sure the only news we will get for a year is how amazing his comeback is and how he is confounding all the doctors with his incredible healing powers ,then turn around and trade him for a lot more than you paid for him this season (assuming you can hold him on your roster).
I'd say the same for Michael. Look at the value bump that David Wilson and Lamar Miller got when the path cleared. That will happen for Michael too.

He's stinking up the joint right now against Oakland, but as a whole he has had a great preseason. Positive buzz right from the start carrying over to production in the games.

I think one of the skills that can be valuable in dynasty is the ability to spot the guys who are going to pop right before everyone else catches on. Like Demaryius Thomas, CJ Spiller, LeSean McCoy, and Jimmy Graham. There was a time when those players weren't untouchable. It's a stretch to put Michael on that level right now, but he has the feel of a guy headed for that trajectory. I think he's a player where people will be looking back in another couple years wondering why they didn't pounce when he wasn't untouchable.

I think people are being way too optimistic about Lattimore. Two severe knee injuries in two years. He was basically a flyer by the 49ers. The idea that he's: A.) going to get back to his old 100% B.) have an easy path to a starting role and C.) actually stay healthy requires a huge leap of faith. I think it's a smaller leap with Michael. All of the signs point towards him being a legit talent. The main variable is opportunity. I think that's a "when" rather than an "if." :shrug: I generally advocate the longview in dynasty and I don't see that equation favoring Lattimore over Michael based on what we know today. It's one thing if you take a guy like Gio who has a real chance to produce this year, but Lattimore will be on the sidelines all season and in the same position a year from now that Michael is in today. A rookie looking to prove himself and carve out a role.
I agree with you on the skill to spot future starters/studs. My point for both is to find what you think is the low point in their value arc and purchase at that point. For most rookies the high point (other than when their path is cleared and they start producing) is right before and after their rookie draft. I like CM and took him at the end of the first in my dynasty league and I know right now it would take quite the offer to take him off my hands. There is some decent opportunity to potentially grab him midseason from a team needing production now and gets tired of waiting. Or in his case, next season. For ML I think his value arc is slightly different. It is high now, but it will probably climb as the "good" news continues to come in on his 'unprecedented' recovery.

I totally agree with his high level of risk. It is hard for some, like myself, to totally discard that after watching him dominate in college.

 
I just don't see IT in Lattimore, even before the terrible leg injury. I see him as a tweener, and by that I mean one who looks great against college talent but lacks talent to excel in the NFL (same way I view Montee Ball, Tim Tebow, etc.). NFL linebackers will steal Lattimore's lunch money. ...I suppose he could luck into an Eddie George-esque career, but I would not sacrifice much to own it.

 
Warrior said:
MoveToSkypager said:
I did decide I would take Lattimore before the draft just for the reason that he has a clearer path to playing time next year.
:confused:
Not that complicated
You sure?
Gore is 3 years older than Lynch w/ 30% more carries, add another year of use on Gore this season w/ that many more carries... :nerd:
So? That's not nearly enough to support Warrior's claim.

 
Warrior said:
MoveToSkypager said:
I did decide I would take Lattimore before the draft just for the reason that he has a clearer path to playing time next year.
:confused:
Not that complicated
You sure?
Gore is 3 years older than Lynch w/ 30% more carries, add another year of use on Gore this season w/ that many more carries... :nerd:
So? That's not nearly enough to support Warrior's claim.
Gore's contract is such that it is very likely he will be cut. Lynch is going to be starting for Seattle next year. It's really not that complicated.

 
Warrior said:
MoveToSkypager said:
I did decide I would take Lattimore before the draft just for the reason that he has a clearer path to playing time next year.
:confused:
Not that complicated
You sure?
Gore is 3 years older than Lynch w/ 30% more carries, add another year of use on Gore this season w/ that many more carries... :nerd:
So? That's not nearly enough to support Warrior's claim.
Gore's contract is such that it is very likely he will be cut. Lynch is going to be starting for Seattle next year. It's really not that complicated.
Don't be so certain. Lynch will count 16 million against the cap for next two years with only 3 million in dead money.

 
Warrior said:
MoveToSkypager said:
I did decide I would take Lattimore before the draft just for the reason that he has a clearer path to playing time next year.
:confused:
Not that complicated
You sure?
Gore is 3 years older than Lynch w/ 30% more carries, add another year of use on Gore this season w/ that many more carries... :nerd:
So? That's not nearly enough to support Warrior's claim.
Gore's contract is such that it is very likely he will be cut. Lynch is going to be starting for Seattle next year. It's really not that complicated.
Don't be so certain. Lynch will count 16 million against the cap for next two years with only 3 million in dead money.
What really matters is whether the Seahawks think he's worth his $5.5M in salary and bonuses next year. I think it's also possible that they restructure his deal to keep him for less money.

 
Warrior said:
MoveToSkypager said:
I did decide I would take Lattimore before the draft just for the reason that he has a clearer path to playing time next year.
:confused:
Not that complicated
You sure?
Gore is 3 years older than Lynch w/ 30% more carries, add another year of use on Gore this season w/ that many more carries... :nerd:
So? That's not nearly enough to support Warrior's claim.
Gore's contract is such that it is very likely he will be cut. Lynch is going to be starting for Seattle next year. It's really not that complicated.
Don't be so certain. Lynch will count 16 million against the cap for next two years with only 3 million in dead money.
Does anyone think they try to trade him before june 1. Some team may be willing to overspend

 

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