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As I have been looking over the RB class again and again. I decided to look back at Brandon Jackson to see where I would place him in this class(still deciding....probably behind slaton....so Jackson would be #11 on my list). But I looked at college highlights from Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips.

Phillips had so much athletic ability...speed was unreal...he had to be a 4.35 guy. Power, balance, agility.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.

 
As I have been looking over the RB class again and again. I decided to look back at Brandon Jackson to see where I would place him in this class(still deciding....probably behind slaton....so Jackson would be #11 on my list). But I looked at college highlights from Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips.Phillips had so much athletic ability...speed was unreal...he had to be a 4.35 guy. Power, balance, agility.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
Yeah, Phillips would have been a great guy but for that jerk Scott Frost. Damn him!
 
As I have been looking over the RB class again and again. I decided to look back at Brandon Jackson to see where I would place him in this class(still deciding....probably behind slaton....so Jackson would be #11 on my list). But I looked at college highlights from Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips.

Phillips had so much athletic ability...speed was unreal...he had to be a 4.35 guy. Power, balance, agility.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
You make two very good points...When evaluating RBs, just because someone is highly ranked in their class it doesn't mean they are a highly ranked RB. You need to compare draftees to their NFL peers, not just their draft class, to determine/project their success in the NFL.

Second, a great workout does not make a great player. Phillips had tremendous measureables, but he was a head case. I had to learn that lesson with Onterrio Smith, great talent, messed up head. Same problems Ricky Williams has caused his owners. And the list goes on. That's why teams look at psyche profiles and conduct interviews, etc.

 
As I have been looking over the RB class again and again. I decided to look back at Brandon Jackson to see where I would place him in this class(still deciding....probably behind slaton....so Jackson would be #11 on my list). But I looked at college highlights from Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips.

Phillips had so much athletic ability...speed was unreal...he had to be a 4.35 guy. Power, balance, agility.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
You make two very good points...When evaluating RBs, just because someone is highly ranked in their class it doesn't mean they are a highly ranked RB. You need to compare draftees to their NFL peers, not just their draft class, to determine/project their success in the NFL.

Second, a great workout does not make a great player. Phillips had tremendous measureables, but he was a head case. I had to learn that lesson with Onterrio Smith, great talent, messed up head. Same problems Ricky Williams has caused his owners. And the list goes on. That's why teams look at psyche profiles and conduct interviews, etc.
Onterrio Smith was a pretty good RB in the league, and Ricky was a great one. Phillips was awful.
 
As I have been looking over the RB class again and again. I decided to look back at Brandon Jackson to see where I would place him in this class(still deciding....probably behind slaton....so Jackson would be #11 on my list). But I looked at college highlights from Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips.

Phillips had so much athletic ability...speed was unreal...he had to be a 4.35 guy. Power, balance, agility.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
You make two very good points...When evaluating RBs, just because someone is highly ranked in their class it doesn't mean they are a highly ranked RB. You need to compare draftees to their NFL peers, not just their draft class, to determine/project their success in the NFL.

Second, a great workout does not make a great player. Phillips had tremendous measureables, but he was a head case. I had to learn that lesson with Onterrio Smith, great talent, messed up head. Same problems Ricky Williams has caused his owners. And the list goes on. That's why teams look at psyche profiles and conduct interviews, etc.
Funny you mention that about RB classes, because I was wondering where William Green and T.J. Duckett would go in this class (they were first iand second in their respective classes IIRC). It is hard to make a clear judgement because we know what they have done in the pros, but I think both went off the board in the teens as, so I don't think they were that highly thought of (and deservedly so). I actually think Green had a little more hype than Duckett (he was selected two slots higher). Maybe my memory is down, but I can't see either going before the top 5 this year (again without factoring in knowledge of what they have done in the NFL).
 
As I have been looking over the RB class again and again. I decided to look back at Brandon Jackson to see where I would place him in this class(still deciding....probably behind slaton....so Jackson would be #11 on my list). But I looked at college highlights from Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips.

Phillips had so much athletic ability...speed was unreal...he had to be a 4.35 guy. Power, balance, agility.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
You make two very good points...When evaluating RBs, just because someone is highly ranked in their class it doesn't mean they are a highly ranked RB. You need to compare draftees to their NFL peers, not just their draft class, to determine/project their success in the NFL.

Second, a great workout does not make a great player. Phillips had tremendous measureables, but he was a head case. I had to learn that lesson with Onterrio Smith, great talent, messed up head. Same problems Ricky Williams has caused his owners. And the list goes on. That's why teams look at psyche profiles and conduct interviews, etc.
Funny you mention that about RB classes, because I was wondering where William Green and T.J. Duckett would go in this class (they were first iand second in their respective classes IIRC). It is hard to make a clear judgement because we know what they have done in the pros, but I think both went off the board in the teens as, so I don't think they were that highly thought of (and deservedly so). I actually think Green had a little more hype than Duckett (he was selected two slots higher). Maybe my memory is down, but I can't see either going before the top 5 this year (again without factoring in knowledge of what they have done in the NFL).
Westbrook and Portis were in that draft, too, though.
 
As I have been looking over the RB class again and again. I decided to look back at Brandon Jackson to see where I would place him in this class(still deciding....probably behind slaton....so Jackson would be #11 on my list). But I looked at college highlights from Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips.

Phillips had so much athletic ability...speed was unreal...he had to be a 4.35 guy. Power, balance, agility.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
You make two very good points...When evaluating RBs, just because someone is highly ranked in their class it doesn't mean they are a highly ranked RB. You need to compare draftees to their NFL peers, not just their draft class, to determine/project their success in the NFL.

Second, a great workout does not make a great player. Phillips had tremendous measureables, but he was a head case. I had to learn that lesson with Onterrio Smith, great talent, messed up head. Same problems Ricky Williams has caused his owners. And the list goes on. That's why teams look at psyche profiles and conduct interviews, etc.
Onterrio Smith was a pretty good RB in the league, and Ricky was a great one. Phillips was awful.
Smith and Williams both had limited success due to their being head cases. That was my point. There were also other factors that led to Phillips being a total bust, but being a head case in general does not bode well for a player to succeed in the NFL.
 
Chase Stuart said:
Sweet Love said:
switz said:
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
As I have been looking over the RB class again and again. I decided to look back at Brandon Jackson to see where I would place him in this class(still deciding....probably behind slaton....so Jackson would be #11 on my list). But I looked at college highlights from Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips.

Phillips had so much athletic ability...speed was unreal...he had to be a 4.35 guy. Power, balance, agility.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
You make two very good points...When evaluating RBs, just because someone is highly ranked in their class it doesn't mean they are a highly ranked RB. You need to compare draftees to their NFL peers, not just their draft class, to determine/project their success in the NFL.

Second, a great workout does not make a great player. Phillips had tremendous measureables, but he was a head case. I had to learn that lesson with Onterrio Smith, great talent, messed up head. Same problems Ricky Williams has caused his owners. And the list goes on. That's why teams look at psyche profiles and conduct interviews, etc.
Funny you mention that about RB classes, because I was wondering where William Green and T.J. Duckett would go in this class (they were first iand second in their respective classes IIRC). It is hard to make a clear judgement because we know what they have done in the pros, but I think both went off the board in the teens as, so I don't think they were that highly thought of (and deservedly so). I actually think Green had a little more hype than Duckett (he was selected two slots higher). Maybe my memory is down, but I can't see either going before the top 5 this year (again without factoring in knowledge of what they have done in the NFL).
Westbrook and Portis were in that draft, too, though.
No, I saw that. I think I may have gone off on a different tangent as far as pre-draft thoughts go for all of these folks. For example, if you could put Peyton Manning and Alex Smith in a bubble and had to choose one with the first pick of the draft before either threw an NFL pass, Manning would have been picked #1 100/100 times because he was more highly regarded eventhough both went #1 overall.
 
Sweet Love said:
switz said:
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
As I have been looking over the RB class again and again. I decided to look back at Brandon Jackson to see where I would place him in this class(still deciding....probably behind slaton....so Jackson would be #11 on my list). But I looked at college highlights from Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips.

Phillips had so much athletic ability...speed was unreal...he had to be a 4.35 guy. Power, balance, agility.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
You make two very good points...When evaluating RBs, just because someone is highly ranked in their class it doesn't mean they are a highly ranked RB. You need to compare draftees to their NFL peers, not just their draft class, to determine/project their success in the NFL.

Second, a great workout does not make a great player. Phillips had tremendous measureables, but he was a head case. I had to learn that lesson with Onterrio Smith, great talent, messed up head. Same problems Ricky Williams has caused his owners. And the list goes on. That's why teams look at psyche profiles and conduct interviews, etc.
Funny you mention that about RB classes, because I was wondering where William Green and T.J. Duckett would go in this class (they were first iand second in their respective classes IIRC). It is hard to make a clear judgement because we know what they have done in the pros, but I think both went off the board in the teens as, so I don't think they were that highly thought of (and deservedly so). I actually think Green had a little more hype than Duckett (he was selected two slots higher). Maybe my memory is down, but I can't see either going before the top 5 this year (again without factoring in knowledge of what they have done in the NFL).
Duckett and Green swapped rankings of #1 and #2 in that class a few times leading up to the draft. Here's a good article.BTW, Duckett's combine numbers were better than Jonathon Stewart's, another back who people are arguing has size that will benefit him.

The '02 draft was full of busts in the top-5 - Carr, Harrington, Mike Williams. Green went #16, Duckett #18.

 
Sweet Love said:
switz said:
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
As I have been looking over the RB class again and again. I decided to look back at Brandon Jackson to see where I would place him in this class(still deciding....probably behind slaton....so Jackson would be #11 on my list). But I looked at college highlights from Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips.

Phillips had so much athletic ability...speed was unreal...he had to be a 4.35 guy. Power, balance, agility.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
You make two very good points...When evaluating RBs, just because someone is highly ranked in their class it doesn't mean they are a highly ranked RB. You need to compare draftees to their NFL peers, not just their draft class, to determine/project their success in the NFL.

Second, a great workout does not make a great player. Phillips had tremendous measureables, but he was a head case. I had to learn that lesson with Onterrio Smith, great talent, messed up head. Same problems Ricky Williams has caused his owners. And the list goes on. That's why teams look at psyche profiles and conduct interviews, etc.
Funny you mention that about RB classes, because I was wondering where William Green and T.J. Duckett would go in this class (they were first iand second in their respective classes IIRC). It is hard to make a clear judgement because we know what they have done in the pros, but I think both went off the board in the teens as, so I don't think they were that highly thought of (and deservedly so). I actually think Green had a little more hype than Duckett (he was selected two slots higher). Maybe my memory is down, but I can't see either going before the top 5 this year (again without factoring in knowledge of what they have done in the NFL).
Duckett and Green swapped rankings of #1 and #2 in that class a few times leading up to the draft. Here's a good article.BTW, Duckett's combine numbers were better than Jonathon Stewart's, another back who people are arguing has size that will benefit him.

The '02 draft was full of busts in the top-5 - Carr, Harrington, Mike Williams. Green went #16, Duckett #18.
I think Duckett was really a waste of talent. Incredible athleticism, but poor coaching and/or bad luck prevented him from reaching his potential. He was always the #3 RB on his team, which wasn't necessarily his fault. He's been a pretty good pro, but I think he could have been a great pro.IIRC, he was a LB in HS and his first year or two at State. He was a very raw RB, but had all the tools. He's averaged 4.0 YPC in the pros and been a TD machine, but I don't think he was ever properly developed.

 
What if the Ravens had taken Phillips instead of Ogden in 1996?

Throughout history, man has always pondered the possibilities of: What If?

What if Friar Lawrence had gotten word to Romeo that Juliet was only sleeping, and not dead? What if President John F. Kennedy's motorcade had taken a different parade route that day in Dallas? What if George McFly had not been hit by his future father-in-law's car, a premise that was explored by Michael J. Fox in the Back to the Future trilogy? What if Jeffrey Maier had been in school that day instead in right field in Yankee Stadium? Rarely is this exercise more popular than in the weeks and months leading up to the NFL draft. Today, we attempt to reimagine history as we look back through the Ravens' drafts, and see how things could have played out differently. In the course of our journey — especially the first scenario, which really did almost happen — we realize that "What IF?" can be a scary proposition.

April 20, 1996 — Desperate to fill Memorial Stadium after moving the team from Cleveland, and confident coach Ted Marchibroda can deal with any character issues that arise, Ravens owner Art Modell quietly decrees that the team must select Nebraska running back Lawrence Phillips with the fourth pick in the draft. UCLA offensive lineman Jonathan Ogden is selected seventh, by the New England Patriots. The Denver Broncos, torn between linebackers John Mobley and Ray Lewis, grab Lewis.

In a post-draft press conference, Phillips puts his arm around Mobley, the Ravens' other first-round pick, and declares that the duo will win four Super Bowls together.

Later, WJZ reporter Mark Viviano spots Phillips alone in the hallway and asks for an interview. When Viviano asks a question about his checkered past, Phillips drags Viviano down a flight of stairs by his hair.

April 19, 1997 — After going 4-12 the year before, the Ravens' plan going into the draft is to shore up their defense. In a trade that has much to do with financial concerns, they give up their fourth pick to Seattle in exchange for the 11th pick, plus additional picks in the second and fourth round.

Seattle selects Florida State defensive end Peter Boulware, while the Ravens grab defensive back Michael Booker, a teammate of Phillips at Nebraska, hoping a familiar face will settle Phillips down. Phillips greets Booker at his first press conference with a hug, then hands him a ski mask. Sun columnist Ken Rosenthal writes a column wondering whether Peter Angelos' sons might be drafting for the Ravens from behind the scenes.

April 18, 1998 — Eager to give new head coach (and offensive genius) Brian Billick some offensive firepower, the Ravens convince Arizona to trade the second pick to them instead of San Diego. Baltimore then snags Washington State quarterback Ryan Leaf.

"The fact that he could throw a football 80 yards in the air, through the goalposts, from behind his back while drinking a beer convinced me we'd found our quarterback for the next 15 years, at least," Billick says.

Billick tells the media he had hoped to lend Leaf his labtop computer so that Leaf could get an early start on learning Baltimore's 85,000 plays, but that plan had to be scrapped after Phillips stole it and pawned it.

"We are not going to retry the case of Lawrence Phillips here today," Billick scolds the press. "You are not qualified!"

Desperate to fill their hole at middle linebacker, the Ravens select Ohio State's Andy Katzenmoyer.

April 17, 1999 — Although the Ravens go into the draft targeting Arizona cornerback Chris McAlister, the Cardinals (using the draft picks they garnered in the Leaf trade) select him instead.

Baltimore decides to take the best player available, Ohio State wide receiver David Boston, who shows up at training camp looking ripped, running the 40 in 4.2 seconds despite being 274 pounds. Boston says he's been training in the offseason with Seattle Mariners first baseman David Segui.

"I'm going to encourage him to re-sign with the Orioles when his contract is up," Boston says. "I think he could really be a great mentor to some of the younger prospects that the Orioles have."

April 15, 2000 — With Phillips serving a 10-year bid in Jessup for assault, battery and theft of cable television broadcasts from Comcast, the Ravens fill their need at running back by selecting Ron Dayne of Wisconsin, passing on Tennessee running back Jamal Lewis because of injury concerns.

As a joke, Sun columnist Peter Schmuck approaches Ryan Leaf — who is coming off a disastrous rookie season — in the days leading up to the draft. Schmuck asks Leaf if the Ravens should consider picking Michigan quarterback Tom Brady in the late rounds to be his understudy.

"Knock it off!" Leaf screams. "Don't talk to me!"

Five games into the season 1999, Billick yanks Leaf and inserts Stoney Case.

"I've found my quarterback!" Billick declares. "I can imagine him taking snaps for the next 15 years, at least."

April 21, 2001 — After trading down, swapping picks with the Super Bowl champion New York Giants, Baltimore selects Oregon State wide receiver Chad Johnson. Billick yanks Case in the third quarter of the season opener and inserts backup Trent Dilfer, who leads the Ravens to a respectable 9-7 record. After the season, Dilfer is released because he doesn't fit into the Ravens "scheme."

The Broncos, led by linebacker Ray Lewis, win their third Super Bowl in five years.

April 20, 2002 — The Ravens make a bold decision to trade Mobley, Johnson, and the 24th pick in the first round to the Lions for the rights to Oregon quarterback Joey Harrington.

The Lions use the 24th pick to select Miami safety Ed Reed.

"I've found my quarterback!" Billick says. "The fact that he could throw a football 60 yards through the goal posts, from one knee, while playing the piano convinced me he was going to be our quarterback for the next 15 years, at least."

April 26, 2003 — When the Ravens' phone lines don't work on draft day — making it impossible for the team to trade up and grab wide receiver Charles Rogers — Billick accuses Sun columnist Mike Preston of cutting them.

Using a borrowed cell phone, Billick calls former Chiefs quarterback Elvis Grbac and asks if he wants to come out of retirement.

"I've found my quarterback!" Billick says. "The fact that he could throw a wobbly spiral into the dirt while sweat dripped out of his tear ducts convinced me he could be our quarterback for the next 15 minutes, at least."

April 24, 2004 — After assuming control of the team from Art Modell, new owner Steve Bisciotti decides to fire Billick and give the job to Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz. Ferentz encourages the Ravens to select offensive lineman Robert Gallery, also of Iowa.

"I really think he could be the next Jonathan Ogden," Ferentz says. "You don't want to miss out on a building block like that."
 
.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
F'n Scott Frost, killing NFL dreams like that! :popcorn:
Love names from the past, especially busts.I went looking for a Cecil "The Diesel" Collins update, and I found the Phillips article.Oh, Collins is still in jail.
Collins was one strange dude. Wasn't he the guy who broke into an apartment to watch a woman while she slept? :lmao:
 
.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
F'n Scott Frost, killing NFL dreams like that! :popcorn:
Love names from the past, especially busts.I went looking for a Cecil "The Diesel" Collins update, and I found the Phillips article.

Oh, Collins is still in jail.
Collins was one strange dude. Wasn't he the guy who broke into an apartment to watch a woman while she slept? :lmao:
C'mon dude. He was just SLEEPWALKING! :lmao:
Cecil Collins (born November 19, 1976 in Fort Knox, Kentucky) is a former American football running back for the Miami Dolphins of the NFL. He is currently incarcerated in the Moore Haven Correctional Facility, a Florida prison. Collins attended Leesville High School and amassed 7,833 yards over his high school football career.

He began college at LSU and in only four games, compiled 596 yards in his first season there before breaking his leg versus Vanderbilt. He was kicked off of LSU after being twice arrested for illegally entering dwellings of coeds and cuddling with the girls while they were asleep. He said he was sleepwalking and had no recollection of the entering the girls' rooms. He made a second attempt at college football at McNeese State University but spent time in prison due to a failed drug screen.

Collins was selected as the first pick in the fifth round of the 1999 NFL draft by the Dolphins out of McNeese State University by then coach-general manager Jimmy Johnson. Johnson explained that he believed Collins had only been sleepwalking. He appeared in eight games in the 1999 season, accumulating 414 yards and two touchdowns.

On December 16, 1999, Collins committed burglary in an apartment complex. He admits he broke into the home of a married woman that he knew from the gym, but said he only wanted to watch her sleep and maybe cuddle. After conviction on the charge, he was sentenced to 15 years in prison. His current release date is in 2014. Upon release, he may face incarceration in Louisiana due to his prior conduct there.
 
.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
F'n Scott Frost, killing NFL dreams like that! :mellow:
Love names from the past, especially busts.I went looking for a Cecil "The Diesel" Collins update, and I found the Phillips article.

Oh, Collins is still in jail.
Collins was one strange dude. Wasn't he the guy who broke into an apartment to watch a woman while she slept? :loco:
C'mon dude. He was just SLEEPWALKING! :mellow:
Cecil Collins (born November 19, 1976 in Fort Knox, Kentucky) is a former American football running back for the Miami Dolphins of the NFL. He is currently incarcerated in the Moore Haven Correctional Facility, a Florida prison. Collins attended Leesville High School and amassed 7,833 yards over his high school football career.

He began college at LSU and in only four games, compiled 596 yards in his first season there before breaking his leg versus Vanderbilt. He was kicked off of LSU after being twice arrested for illegally entering dwellings of coeds and cuddling with the girls while they were asleep. He said he was sleepwalking and had no recollection of the entering the girls' rooms. He made a second attempt at college football at McNeese State University but spent time in prison due to a failed drug screen.

Collins was selected as the first pick in the fifth round of the 1999 NFL draft by the Dolphins out of McNeese State University by then coach-general manager Jimmy Johnson. Johnson explained that he believed Collins had only been sleepwalking. He appeared in eight games in the 1999 season, accumulating 414 yards and two touchdowns.

On December 16, 1999, Collins committed burglary in an apartment complex. He admits he broke into the home of a married woman that he knew from the gym, but said he only wanted to watch her sleep and maybe cuddle. After conviction on the charge, he was sentenced to 15 years in prison. His current release date is in 2014. Upon release, he may face incarceration in Louisiana due to his prior conduct there.
If cuddling is criminalized, then only criminals will cuddle. :popcorn:
 
As I have been looking over the RB class again and again. I decided to look back at Brandon Jackson to see where I would place him in this class(still deciding....probably behind slaton....so Jackson would be #11 on my list). But I looked at college highlights from Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips.

Phillips had so much athletic ability...speed was unreal...he had to be a 4.35 guy. Power, balance, agility.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
You make two very good points...When evaluating RBs, just because someone is highly ranked in their class it doesn't mean they are a highly ranked RB. You need to compare draftees to their NFL peers, not just their draft class, to determine/project their success in the NFL.

Second, a great workout does not make a great player. Phillips had tremendous measureables, but he was a head case. I had to learn that lesson with Onterrio Smith, great talent, messed up head. Same problems Ricky Williams has caused his owners. And the list goes on. That's why teams look at psyche profiles and conduct interviews, etc.
Onterrio Smith was a pretty good RB in the league, and Ricky was a great one. Phillips was awful.
Smith and Williams both had limited success due to their being head cases. That was my point. There were also other factors that led to Phillips being a total bust, but being a head case in general does not bode well for a player to succeed in the NFL.
You cant put Smith and Williams on the same level . Williams was the best RB in the NFL for a few years , Smith was a prospect that never panned out .
 
As I have been looking over the RB class again and again. I decided to look back at Brandon Jackson to see where I would place him in this class(still deciding....probably behind slaton....so Jackson would be #11 on my list). But I looked at college highlights from Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips.

Phillips had so much athletic ability...speed was unreal...he had to be a 4.35 guy. Power, balance, agility.....too bad Scott Frost was messing with his ex gf or Phillips could be having a different tune in the NFL.
You make two very good points...When evaluating RBs, just because someone is highly ranked in their class it doesn't mean they are a highly ranked RB. You need to compare draftees to their NFL peers, not just their draft class, to determine/project their success in the NFL.

Second, a great workout does not make a great player. Phillips had tremendous measureables, but he was a head case. I had to learn that lesson with Onterrio Smith, great talent, messed up head. Same problems Ricky Williams has caused his owners. And the list goes on. That's why teams look at psyche profiles and conduct interviews, etc.
Onterrio Smith was a pretty good RB in the league, and Ricky was a great one. Phillips was awful.
Smith and Williams both had limited success due to their being head cases. That was my point. There were also other factors that led to Phillips being a total bust, but being a head case in general does not bode well for a player to succeed in the NFL.
You cant put Smith and Williams on the same level . Williams was the best RB in the NFL for a few years , Smith was a prospect that never panned out.
:goodposting: Who said they were on the same level? Sheesh, try reading once in a while.BTW - Williams was never the best RB in the NFL.

 
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