League Controversy! (1 Viewer)

[togo]

It was just discovered that one of our owners in our league (let's say Owner A) is helping another (let's call him Owner B).

He has been making pretty much all of his transactions drop/adds and lineup changes for Owner B this season.

When Owner A was confronted he said owner B was too busy to run his team this year and he was just trying to help him out and help keep his team competative. The team is in 2nd place right now in an 11 man league. Owner B gave Owner A his password to do such. But both are making changes to the team here and there.

The other members are outraged and have been calling this collusion/cheating/conflict of interest and flat out wrong and there should be a huge consequence.

What say you??

 

[Annyong]

It was just discovered that one of our owners in our league (let's say Owner A) is helping another (let's call him Owner B). He has been making pretty much all of his transactions drop/adds and lineup changes for Owner B this season. When Owner A was confronted he said owner B was too busy to run his team this year and he was just trying to help him out and help keep his team competative. The team is in 2nd place right now in an 11 man league. Owner B gave Owner A his password to do such. But both are making changes to the team here and there.The other members are outraged and have been calling this collusion/cheating/conflict of interest and flat out wrong and there should be a huge consequence.What say you??

Have they made any trades with eachother?

 

[Captain Hook]

Yeah absent any trades with each other this is just a case of one guy helping another - it happens....BUT they should have let the other owners in the league know that one guy had time problems and needed the help and that his buddy was going to do that. Maybe not the best way but he might not be able to find another friend who knew anything about running a fantasy baseball team.

IF there is not something specific in the rules and there is no trade - thus no collusion - then I don't see that there is anything to be done.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

your leaguemates are babies

 

[togo]

Well the belief in this league is that every owner runs their OWN team.

No one here finds any problem that an owner runs TWO teams in a league and helps another owner to run his team??? (AND this owner is a 5 time champ in the league.)

He said he is doing it for the good of the league. And Team B is still running his team but said he is too busy to keep up all the time.

The good of the league is let every owner run their own team. Isn't that the point. No??

In your leagues does one of your owners take over and help run a weaker team when they are not doing well or making the right moves??? I think not.

By the way the other team the owner is running in now in 1st place. His input on the other team has directly affected the standings and the outcome of our league. Without the other owner's help there is no way this guy would be in first.

The other ownesr are fine with someoneles running the team as ong as he is not ALREADY in the league!

There is money on the line here. The "babies" are getting pissed about their $.

Also this was done secretly til another owner found out about it.

If there was nothing wrong then WHY did they keep it a secret??

COLLUSION - is an agreement between two or more persons, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others, or to obtain an objective by defrauding or gaining an unfair advantage.

Seems like Team B is gaining a HUGE advantage here.

 

[oso diablo]

i wouldn't want the same owner running two teams, but this situation is not collusion on its face, absent trades. establish some ground rules going forward, but not worth raising a big stink over.

 

[Michael Brown]

Well the belief in this league is that every owner runs their OWN team. No one here finds any problem that an owner runs TWO teams in a league and helps another owner to run his team??? (AND this owner is a 5 time champ in the league.)He said he is doing it for the good of the league. And Team B is still running his team but said he is too busy to keep up all the time.The good of the league is let every owner run their own team. Isn't that the point. No?? In your leagues does one of your owners take over and help run a weaker team when they are not doing well or making the right moves??? I think not.By the way the other team the owner is running in now in 1st place. His input on the other team has directly affected the standings and the outcome of our league. Without the other owner's help there is no way this guy would be in first. The other ownesr are fine with someoneles running the team as ong as he is not ALREADY in the league!There is money on the line here. The "babies" are getting pissed about their $.Also this was done secretly til another owner found out about it.If there was nothing wrong then WHY did they keep it a secret??COLLUSION - is an agreement between two or more persons, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others, or to obtain an objective by defrauding or gaining an unfair advantage.Seems like Team B is gaining a HUGE advantage here.

No offense, but it sounds like your mind is already made up and you just came here looking for people to confirm your opinion.

 

[togo]

Of course I have my opinion. But I do like hearing other opinions and perspectives as well.

As it may change mine.

Most of our league brothers thought this was a big deal but in this forum it seems like it is not a problem.

Hmmm.......

 

[shadyridr]

How is it a HUGE advantage for Team B?

 

[JZilla]

Of course I have my opinion. But I do like hearing other opinions and perspectives as well.

As it may change mine.

Most of our league brothers thought this was a big deal but in this forum it seems like it is not a problem.

Hmmm.......

Sounds like you guys take things a little too seriouslyI'd resolve it but that's about it. If he'd been trading with himself, whole other story

I've been in leagues where a small handful of people clearly communicate and strategize, stopping just short of collusion by most accounts. This isn't even that bad. Not something you want but it seems innocent enough.

 

[Michael Brown]

Of course I have my opinion. But I do like hearing other opinions and perspectives as well. As it may change mine. Most of our league brothers thought this was a big deal but in this forum it seems like it is not a problem. Hmmm.......

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want it in my main league but I don't see it as cheating. If the one guy knows what he's doing and is helping the other guy make pickups, do lineup changes, etc, then it actually HURTS the guy who knows what he's doing because it's one more team he's competing with that he otherwise wouldn't be.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

Well the belief in this league is that every owner runs their OWN team. No one here finds any problem that an owner runs TWO teams in a league and helps another owner to run his team??? (AND this owner is a 5 time champ in the league.)He said he is doing it for the good of the league. And Team B is still running his team but said he is too busy to keep up all the time.The good of the league is let every owner run their own team. Isn't that the point. No?? In your leagues does one of your owners take over and help run a weaker team when they are not doing well or making the right moves??? I think not.By the way the other team the owner is running in now in 1st place. His input on the other team has directly affected the standings and the outcome of our league. Without the other owner's help there is no way this guy would be in first. The other ownesr are fine with someoneles running the team as ong as he is not ALREADY in the league!There is money on the line here. The "babies" are getting pissed about their $.Also this was done secretly til another owner found out about it.If there was nothing wrong then WHY did they keep it a secret??COLLUSION - is an agreement between two or more persons, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others, or to obtain an objective by defrauding or gaining an unfair advantage.Seems like Team B is gaining a HUGE advantage here.

You sound like a big baby and are the one throwing the fit. There shouldn't be anything wrong with giving advice/helping the guy update his lineups and what not. As long as they arent making trades between each other there should be no problem. Also, why would they announce they are doing that to the league? I know in fantasy football it happens all the time where someone will call me and say "should I start this guy or this guy"....should I start posting that on my leagues message board that I picked who he started?

 

[belljr]

What if the guy called his buddy and says should I start A or B, pickup A or B, etc etc but Team B is still setting the lineup... Is that really any different?

 

[Annyong]

Sounds like Team A picked up a player for Team B that OP wanted?

Either way, I wouldnt be thrilled with it, but my brethren are always asking eachother who to start/pick up etc

 

[curta269]

I really don't think it is right to make rule changes in the middle of the season. But, I would vote after the season if you want team B back in league. I would suggest if he doesn't have time to pay attention to his team, he should find another hobby. Surely you can find someone else to take his spot in the league.

 

[togo]

The other owner is just not giving advice. He's got the owners's code and he is actually MAKING all the changes himself. Making pickups, changing the daily lineup, changing pitchers.

The real owner does it time to time.

So basically he's running 2 teams.

So essentially it comes down to this:

Do any of your league allow for one owner to run two teams in your league???

Or if a team is not being "competative" or if the owner is just not good at it, or if the owner is just flat out lazy, does your league allow for another owner who is already in the league take it over?

I have no problem at all if the owner just gets another guy OUT of the league to run his team.

And yes we take this very serious. Group of close friends who fight tooth and nail for the yearly championship! Lots of smack talk. Loads of fun. And believe it or not we are having a great time with busting balls over this controversy.

As a new owner this year just recently said he would have paid the entry fee just to read and be entertained our league message board.

And we think it is a big advantage as the owner who took over is a tremendous fantasy player (the best in our league) while the other is not. So now the 5 time Champ has 2 teams this year.

 

[jamny]

Barring any trades between them, I don't think it's a big deal either. It might actually be better than having a dead team in the league.

 

[Annyong]

The other owner is just not giving advice. He's got the owners's code and he is actually MAKING all the changes himself. Making pickups, changing the daily lineup, changing pitchers.The real owner does it time to time. So basically he's running 2 teams. So essentially it comes down to thiso any of your league allow for one owner to run two teams in your league???Or if a team is not being "competative" or if the owner is just not good at it, or if the owner is just flat out lazy, does your league allow for another owner who is already in the league take it over?I have no problem at all if the owner just gets another guy OUT of the league to run his team.And yes we take this very serious. Group of close friends who fight tooth and nail for the yearly championship! Lots of smack talk. Loads of fun. And believe it or not we are having a great time with busting balls over this controversy.As a new owner this year just recently said he would have paid the entry fee just to read and be entertained our league message board. And we think it is a big advantage as the owner who took over is a tremendous fantasy player (the best in our league) while the other is not. So now the 5 time Champ has 2 teams this year.

what moves has he made for him?

 

[belljr]

does he run 2 or 3 - I'm lost

 

[PIK95]

i wouldn't want the same owner running two teams, but this situation is not collusion on its face, absent trades. establish some ground rules going forward, but not worth raising a big stink over.

This. Not collusion unless one guy traded guys from one squad to the other.

 

[togo]

Update:

The Owner running 2 teams said we had "valid concerns" and he will no longer run both teams. The other owner, even though he's "too busy", is going to have to run his team the best he can. (is it really that hard?? takes 2 minutes a day!)

 

[JZilla]

Update:

The Owner running 2 teams said we had "valid concerns" and he will no longer run both teams. The other owner, even though he's "too busy", is going to have to run his team the best he can. (is it really that hard?? takes 2 minutes a day!)

Sounds like a reasonable solution. Hug it out!

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

togo doesnt sound to happy that none of us agree that its a big deal. That said, the issue also isnt worth arguing about, which the more mature owner realized, and backed away so you guys would stop crying

 

[Mr.Pack]

i wouldn't want the same owner running two teams, but this situation is not collusion on its face, absent trades. establish some ground rules going forward, but not worth raising a big stink over.

 

[togo]

Well I'm going away for a couple of weeks and will have spotty internet access so I asked the owner (who is running 2 teams) and the Commissioner if it was ok that that this guy could run my team for me while I was gone. No trades though but do every thing else.

I got no answer yet.

Oh yeah in our league we have 10 pitching starts ever week. In the investigation earlier when Owner B was playing Owner A he started only 8 pitchers.

The plot thickens......

Hmmmmm....... Yeah no problems running two teams in the same league.....

Can of worms was opened up fellas......

 

[shadyridr]

Well I'm going away for a couple of weeks and will have spotty internet access so I asked the owner (who is running 2 teams) and the Commissioner if it was ok that that this guy could run my team for me while I was gone. No trades though but do every thing else. I got no answer yet. Oh yeah in our league we have 10 pitching starts ever week. In the investigation earlier when Owner B was playing Owner A he started only 8 pitchers.The plot thickens...... Hmmmmm....... Yeah no problems running two teams in the same league.....Can of worms was opened up fellas......

NEWSFLASH: We really dont care

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Barring any trades between them, I don't think it's a big deal either. It might actually be better than having a dead team in the league.

I think some owners would prefer to have a dead team

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

yeah in our league we have 10 pitching starts ever week. In the investigation earlier when Owner B was playing Owner A he started only 8 pitchers.

The plot thickens...... Hmmmmm....... Yeah no problems running two teams in the same league.....

Can of worms was opened up fellas......