League Member Claims he accepted a Trade by Mistake (1 Viewer)

[Jeremy]

Even so, I think the Commish is making a big mistake in not offering Dallas Clark for the exact same players back. Probably the worst possible thing you can do as a commissioner is do something that alienates you from the rest of the league. The commish is clearly doing that here and it can ruin a league.

The commish may believe he's right, but right or wrong is he willing to lose his league over it? If I'm a commish and the owner says he made a mistake by accepting the wrong trade, I'm going to take his word for it. He seems to be questioning the other owners integrity. Or he thinks an honest mistake like this should be punished, which is silly in a friendly league, IMO. Either way, at least some owners are likely to be put off with it enough to leave the league. And it's probably not easy to replace owners in a dynasty league.

 

[fsufan]

Oh yeah, the guy just completed the following dealHe gave Cotch / Bradshaw / Britt for Wayne / Mason / GatesI hope he wins the league now

is the other onwer 5 years old.

 

[jackdubl]

Man I'm getting pissed of listening to Phurphur's postings on this subject. MISTAKES HAPPEN, MAN! I've been about half a button push away from doing it myself several times, which is why I now go incredibly slow whenever dealing with rejecting trade offers. Way easy to hit the wrong button, even hit it twice as both the first and second screen look the same.I'm an attorney and I can tell you both federal contract law and every state's contract's laws say a contract based on a mistake can be rescinded(which means cancelled). You crazy "mistakenly accepted offers can never be cancelled" fundamentalists are spouting nonsense that every court in America has said is wrong.I know of owners and have been in leagues with owners who send out endless ridiculous offers just hoping someone mistakenly accepts one of them. Pisses me the hell off to have to make sure I don't play right into their hands.For all of you who think I'm wrong: Congratulations on being perfect. I'm sure you've never dialed a wrong phone number or hit the wrong button on your remote control. Why don't you use your great powers of perfection and solve a couple of the world's problems.

The guy said thought he accepted another trade, went to work... check his email later and saw what happened. I talked to this guys for 3 yrs since the league opened and I believe him.Oh yeah, the guy just completed the following dealHe gave Cotch / Bradshaw / Britt for Wayne / Mason / Gates

Good. I hope some other non-playoff teams decide to stack this guy. Let the commish see where being an ###hole gets you.

 

[Sweet Love]

Its dynasty....

"You have the right to keep the player; no one can argue that you technically don't. Blackfoot made a mistake... he hit a button twice, and for what ever reason he waited about an hr and a half to contact you.

It being dynasty and if the bolded is really what happened (hitting accept trade twice and waiting an hour and a half to try and say it was a mistake reeks of buyers remorse.The trade is pretty fair for dynasty. It's a shame that the commissioner's team is involved because I don't think it would even be half the issue that it is if it wasn't his team.

EDIT - To actually bold something...

I felt like I was one of the few, but I side with the Commish on this one. Blackfoot was asked twice whether he wanted to do this and did...done. Also, I thought the "sharks" in here generally feel it is lame to play in leagues where trades can be overturned by consensus and that people pay their money to manage their team how deem fit????Guy was a putz and whether by mistake or not, he needs to live with it. Tommie Harris was sorry he cold-cocked a guy, but that doesn't mean he gets to take one play off, get a hug while expressing regret and be able to come back in.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

I want to start by saying that I think the trade is a fair trade since it is a dynasty league. But with all that being said, if it was an honest mistake then they should just work it out and reverse it. It's fantasy football.....it's supposed to be fun. No need to ruin friendships over it. And if these aren't friends to begin with, then just quit after this year and move on. The commish sounds like a #####, so that might be your best bet anyways.

 

[Dragon1952]

How the hell is Britt/Morgan a decent deal for Clark in PPR, even in Dynasty? Britt may turn out pretty good, but I don't have much love for Morgan's chances.

 

[Jason Wood]

I guess I'm having trouble believing this was a mistaken button press and not buyer's remorse.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

How the hell is Britt/Morgan a decent deal for Clark in PPR, even in Dynasty? Britt may turn out pretty good, but I don't have much love for Morgan's chances.

See, that's why dynasty trades are tough to evaluate. Britt had a great college career and I think he's going to have a very good NFL one. Others might not have that same point of view. But no one is going to know who is right and who is wrong until another 7-10 years. Morgan sounds like a throw in.....the real trade is Britt for Clark.

 

[Mr.Pack]

I guess I'm having trouble believing this was a mistaken button press and not buyer's remorse.

I kind of am too, BUT if there were numerous trade offers and the guy was rushing, I can see it happening.

 

[T Bag]

Oh yeah, the guy just completed the following dealHe gave Cotch / Bradshaw / Britt for Wayne / Mason / Gates

Wow, talk about turning a lump of coal into a diamond. Looks like a trade to spite the Commish on this one. Maybe some will disagree, but I personallly can't imagine why anyone would give Wayne and Gates to get what he got in return. Was this guy who got Bradshaw starting Lendale as his 2nd RB or something? Oh well, karma is a beyotch. D-bag's like the Commish who offer a bunch of crappy trades get on my nerves.

 

[Jeremy]

Oh yeah, the guy just completed the following dealHe gave Cotch / Bradshaw / Britt for Wayne / Mason / Gates

Wow, talk about turning a lump of coal into a diamond. Looks like a trade to spite the Commish on this one. Maybe some will disagree, but I personallly can't imagine why anyone would give Wayne and Gates to get what he got in return. Was this guy who got Bradshaw starting Lendale as his 2nd RB or something? Oh well, karma is a beyotch. D-bag's like the Commish who offer a bunch of crappy trades get on my nerves.

Yeah, that sounds like a guy ready to leave the league after this year and trying to spite the commish. Would the commish dare veto it though, knowing half the league already thinks he's only looking out for his own best interests?

 

[KellysHeroes]

The problem with RTS is that you have to hit the Reject button twice just like your hitting the accept button... and the checkbox that comes up is the samething if you accepting or rejecting a trade. So if you rejecting dozens of trades a week you could for sure zone out and think your hitting reject and not read the check box for the 12th time that morning. I can see this happening.

Like I said to the commish... as a Player in the league he has the right to keep the trade, no one can say he doesn't. But as a commissioner it just doesn't look good. If this is the message he wants to send then so be it. I'm sure he'll be replace some members in the coming years.

If you find a wallet on the ground in-front of your children, do you set the example and return the wallet or do you take the cash out and toss it to the curve?

 

[Ice Cream Man]

let me guess, the guy who made the mistake is a Democrat(he's a victim) and the big mean commish is a Republican(believes is personal responsibility)

Yeah, like all those Democratic rich white investment bankers at Bear Sterns.

Hmm.. the wealthiest people in the US are actually disproportionately Democrat. Not sure what your point is..

 

[Moniker]

Like I said to the commish... as a Player in the league he has the right to keep the trade, no one can say he doesn't. But as a commissioner it just doesn't look good.

While I agree with this and as a commissioner myself I would have reversed the trade, what you are saying is essentially "because he is the commissioner he gets screwed out of this deal".

 

[KellysHeroes]

Like I said to the commish... as a Player in the league he has the right to keep the trade, no one can say he doesn't. But as a commissioner it just doesn't look good.

While I agree with this and as a commissioner myself I would have reversed the trade, what you are saying is essentially "because he is the commissioner he gets screwed out of this deal".

not screwed... set an example on how this should be dealt with. I wonder how it would have been dealt with if the team didn't involve the commish.

 

[Moniker]

Like I said to the commish... as a Player in the league he has the right to keep the trade, no one can say he doesn't. But as a commissioner it just doesn't look good.

While I agree with this and as a commissioner myself I would have reversed the trade, what you are saying is essentially "because he is the commissioner he gets screwed out of this deal".

not screwed... set an example on how this should be dealt with. I wonder how it would have been dealt with if the team didn't involve the commish.

My best guess is that the commish would have followed your league rules like he tried to do in this case and it would have been a non-issue.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Its dynasty....more Message board goodiesCommish"Facts:Trades and evaluations are not up for vote in this league which is clearly stated in the rules and it isup to the 2 parties involved to work things out as stated in paragraph 4 under trades, so lobbyingefforts by owners not involved in the trade are pointless. Trade evaluations by the commish or otherowners are not a part of this league, which has worked out well over 3 years since we are all here areexperienced players and you have to hit 2 buttons in order to accept or reject a trade. The only timethere is a vote is when there is collusion, which is clearly not the case here.The basis and market value of the Britt and Morgan for TE Clark trade is consistent with the Britt forTE Vernon Davis trade made only a few weeks ago, so there is clearly no collusion and both teamsinvolved appear appear to be making an effort to improve their team now and into the future.. Bothdeals involved a top 5 TE in exchange for that player, so the market value of Britt is fairly consistent,and a deal was willingly accepted both times by the accepting owner. One player is more valuablefor the future, the other one is established etc, and it is really not for us all to judge and a keycomponent about how this league is set up..Where was the mistake Blackfoot? Did you hit the "accept" button then when prompted and thenagain a second time on the pop up that says "are you sure you want to ACCEPT this trade"? Or didyou simply realize that you did not want the deal and changed your mind? Either way you need towork this out with the other team as stated in the rules, especially since other trades have happened& waivers claimed since the deal, and with Reds out of town and the trade deadline looming makesthis even more complicated since all moves are all interconnected in an indirect way. Blackfoot needsto work this out with Reds or another team before the trade deadline, simple as that."Another Owner"So I guess all of your bull#### trade offers finally paid off. Way to go Reds. Please don't send me any trade offers, ever. Thank you"Response"Sorry you feel that way Brownwater, and sorry you dont understand that I did not do anything wrong. Iam on the road trying to do all this from an iphone, and have sent Blackfoot 2 e-mails one last nightand another this morning in attempt to work things out, and he has yet to respond. I cant proposetrades with out a computer so he needs to communicate with me and I am willing to work with him, it isnot like I am leaving him in the dark. I am trying to work something out before I go into a meeting forthe rest of the day which I mentioned to him that in my e-mail. He has posted here since my e-mailsbut he is not communicating with me so far, and I am willing to help him out as long as it is beforeThurday's trade deadline. Please remember, I did not make the "mistake" or force anyone to hit theaccept button 2 times.. Now I am in a situation where I left 45 mintues after I made the trade, and amaway, so the few guys trashing me need to realize that I have a life beyond FFL yet I am still doing mybest to make things right with Blackfoot, all from a 4 inch iphone screen."Same Owner again"I do understand what happened. You sent a terrible trade offer, it was accepted and now we move on. I work too, and I understand that being the commish is a thankless job that at times requires you to deal with drama. All that I am asking is that you never send me another trade offer. If you will agree to that I'm good and will move on."Me"You have the right to keep the player; no one can argue that you technically don't. Blackfoot made a mistake... he hit a button twice, and for what ever reason he waited about an hr and a half to contact you. I hope you and Black can work something, because an action like this will alienate you from us and I fear that you'll be replacing the majority of us in the next couple of yrs. Whats not right is not letting us Vote on it since so many people are upset, why not let us Vote? ...if it passes then no one can ever say anything... by not letting us atleast vote your showing that in your heart the trade was a raping and your fear that it will be undone and you'll lose your advantage. So you do what you want... Keep the player and make your playoff push or undo the Trade and have a good standing with the league. Whats more important? "

There are two kinds of mistakes that could be in play in this situation.1) Owner accidentally clicked "accept" instead of "reject".2) Owner intentionally hit "accept" and changed his mind later - his mistake was accepting the trade before he was certain.What settles this for me is that there is a "failsafe" if you want to accept a trade. Are you telling me that an adult accidentally clicked "accept" when he meant to click "reject" and then again accidentally clicked "yes" when asked if he really, really wanted to accept the trade?This sounds just like buyer's remorse and some outright dishonesty by the accepting owner.I just find the whole idea that he accidentally hit the wrong button TWICE kinda tough to swallow. And if he did have a brain fart and did so, how does he not realize it and post his mistake immediately...since he was apparently on the website and capable of doing so.I think the trade should stand.

 

[JamesTheScot]

KellysHeroes:

"The site is RTS and what I don't like about RTS is that you have to hit the Reject button twice just like you have to hit the Accept Button Twice... so I can see how it could confused.

That is actually a good point. When you think you know the process, sometimes you click the mouse without reading. And it might actually have been an hour or so before the accepting owner saw his roster again and realized the trade went through.

I think I'd vote for reversal.

If the commish won't reverse it, just tell him the rest of you are voting him out of the league. Nothing in the rules says you can't do that, right? To a certain extent, if everyone is against him, take a vote and change the trade rule for that matter.

Alternatively, if he'll reverse the trade, you'll extend the trade deadline a week to give him time to recover and the accepting owner can't trade Clark to anyone else (in case it was a "I'd give you more" situation) till after the season is over.

 

[ditka85]

The problem with RTS is that you have to hit the Reject button twice just like your hitting the accept button... and the checkbox that comes up is the samething if you accepting or rejecting a trade. So if you rejecting dozens of trades a week you could for sure zone out and think your hitting reject and not read the check box for the 12th time that morning. I can see this happening.

Like I said to the commish... as a Player in the league he has the right to keep the trade, no one can say he doesn't. But as a commissioner it just doesn't look good. If this is the message he wants to send then so be it. I'm sure he'll be replace some members in the coming years.

If you find a wallet on the ground in-front of your children, do you set the example and return the wallet or do you take the cash out and toss it to the curve?

Obviously, you say "Ahhh, that's where I left my wallet!"

 

[netnalp]

Sounds like the commish was spamming lousy trades to people trying to have this happen. I booted a guy out of my league for this.

He should reverse the trade. If he doesn't then the league can boot him, then you'll have to decide what to do with his team or fix the schedule that's fair to everyone.

The having to click two buttons to accept a trade isn't foolproof, if a team thinks they're sure they are accepting the right trade, it's not surprising if they double click real fast without double checking what they've done.

 

[ditka85]

If there is a rule in place that gives a time limit on trade reversal, then it should be overturned if he was within it. Otherwise, I would have to let this stand.

And I understand what Kelly is saying about the wrong message being sent by the commish. He is held to a slightly higher standard since he is in charge. But this guy sends out terrible offers all the time and I would not have much confidence in his dealings always being on the "up and up". Bail out next year Kelly.

Britt for Clark, heh? Do Tenn WRs get 7 PPR in this league?

 

[MrMarley]

Obviously it's the software's fault...you should have to click "Reject" THREE times!

In all seriousness, maybe someday they'll implement a safeguard where you have to actually type "A" or "R" in a specific box to accept or reject trades...but maybe that's more trouble than it's worth considering how rarely this stuff happens.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Sounds like the commish was spamming lousy trades to people trying to have this happen. I booted a guy out of my league for this.

Other than this hes been alright, but he does Spam us... atleast 5 owners have gone on the message board and complained and his response is "just reject them." Well, he hit the jackpot this time and its going to cost him some good league members... and a bad rep. Gawd he kept sending me offers for me best players all the time... and I always rejected the same offer. Not only does he send the offer, but he would also send and email telling me that this player is going to big one day and I'm making a mistake. And 3/4th of the time he would cut the player he trying to sell at seasons end. On top of that, his spamming caused other people to spam the league... which will be in full force now after this.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Like I said to the commish... as a Player in the league he has the right to keep the trade, no one can say he doesn't. But as a commissioner it just doesn't look good.

While I agree with this and as a commissioner myself I would have reversed the trade, what you are saying is essentially "because he is the commissioner he gets screwed out of this deal".

not screwed... set an example on how this should be dealt with. I wonder how it would have been dealt with if the team didn't involve the commish.

The main responsibility of the Commish should be to enforce the rules, not set examples. If he is held to a higher standard than everyone else, (i.e., not being able to make trades in his advantage) then he is at a competitive disadvantage to everyone else in the league.In this case, it sounds like the rules were enforced. It also sounds like he attempted to work something out with the other guy but didn't get any response.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Your league should have a rule in place for mistakes....say 10 minutes. You said, "He then later cameback to the site, announced it was a mistake". How long was it that he posted it was a mistake? If it was more than a few minutes I say it's more buyers remorse than anything else and the trade should stand. You can't have owners coming back too much later saying it was a mistake. That would be ridiculous.

People can hit the wrong button and we allow a 2 minute window for letting everyone know you messed up. the idea is make sure you know what you are doing and double check your moves. If he came back an hour later somebody else might have convinced him otherwise...Commish should not play God and in fact should allow all trades except for collusion and if someone keeps making bad trades then they should be asked to leave.

 

[theplayer11]

Man I'm getting pissed of listening to Phurphur's postings on this subject. MISTAKES HAPPEN, MAN! I've been about half a button push away from doing it myself several times, which is why I now go incredibly slow whenever dealing with rejecting trade offers. Way easy to hit the wrong button, even hit it twice as both the first and second screen look the same.I'm an attorney and I can tell you both federal contract law and every state's contract's laws say a contract based on a mistake can be rescinded(which means cancelled). You crazy "mistakenly accepted offers can never be cancelled" fundamentalists are spouting nonsense that every court in America has said is wrong.I know of owners and have been in leagues with owners who send out endless ridiculous offers just hoping someone mistakenly accepts one of them. Pisses me the hell off to have to make sure I don't play right into their hands.For all of you who think I'm wrong: Congratulations on being perfect. I'm sure you've never dialed a wrong phone number or hit the wrong button on your remote control. Why don't you use your great powers of perfection and solve a couple of the world's problems.

The guy said thought he accepted another trade, went to work... check his email later and saw what happened. I talked to this guys for 3 yrs since the league opened and I believe him.Oh yeah, the guy just completed the following dealHe gave Cotch / Bradshaw / Britt for Wayne / Mason / Gates

Good. I hope some other non-playoff teams decide to stack this guy. Let the commish see where being an ###hole gets you.

great...now we get a lawyer chiming in about contract law...

 

[Liquid Tension]

KellysHeroes:

"The site is RTS and what I don't like about RTS is that you have to hit the Reject button twice just like you have to hit the Accept Button Twice... so I can see how it could confused.

That is actually a good point. When you think you know the process, sometimes you click the mouse without reading. And it might actually have been an hour or so before the accepting owner saw his roster again and realized the trade went through.

I think I'd vote for reversal.

If the commish won't reverse it, just tell him the rest of you are voting him out of the league. Nothing in the rules says you can't do that, right? To a certain extent, if everyone is against him, take a vote and change the trade rule for that matter.

Alternatively, if he'll reverse the trade, you'll extend the trade deadline a week to give him time to recover and the accepting owner can't trade Clark to anyone else (in case it was a "I'd give you more" situation) till after the season is over.

I commish 3 leagues on RTSports and really like the site a lot. Could you miss hit a button twice? Sure, but only if you are not paying attention. This is why you have a "5 minute" rule. We are not children and people need to be responsible for their own actions. If you didn't take the time to make sure you did the right thing then you are SOL. No different than forgetting to do your waiver wire or setting your lineup. the commish needs to set the rules with the league and then enforce them. the more "ruling a commish has to make the more the league obviously hasn't setup their rules correctly.

 

[Joe Bryant]

let me guess, the guy who made the mistake is a Democrat(he's a victim) and the big mean commish is a Republican(believes is personal responsibility)

Keep it football here. We do the political thing pretty much 24/7 in the Free For All. Take this there. TIA.J

 

[ditka85]

Like I said to the commish... as a Player in the league he has the right to keep the trade, no one can say he doesn't. But as a commissioner it just doesn't look good.

While I agree with this and as a commissioner myself I would have reversed the trade, what you are saying is essentially "because he is the commissioner he gets screwed out of this deal".

not screwed... set an example on how this should be dealt with. I wonder how it would have been dealt with if the team didn't involve the commish.

The main responsibility of the Commish should be to enforce the rules, not set examples. If he is held to a higher standard than everyone else, (i.e., not being able to make trades in his advantage) then he is at a competitive disadvantage to everyone else in the league.In this case, it sounds like the rules were enforced. It also sounds like he attempted to work something out with the other guy but didn't get any response.

A commish can operate in a manner that is respectable. Offering up multiple joke offers in hopes someone bites or makes a mistake is not acting as such. I would bail on this league if I were Kelly.

 

[jackdubl]

Man I'm getting pissed of listening to Phurphur's postings on this subject. MISTAKES HAPPEN, MAN! I've been about half a button push away from doing it myself several times, which is why I now go incredibly slow whenever dealing with rejecting trade offers. Way easy to hit the wrong button, even hit it twice as both the first and second screen look the same.I'm an attorney and I can tell you both federal contract law and every state's contract's laws say a contract based on a mistake can be rescinded(which means cancelled). You crazy "mistakenly accepted offers can never be cancelled" fundamentalists are spouting nonsense that every court in America has said is wrong.I know of owners and have been in leagues with owners who send out endless ridiculous offers just hoping someone mistakenly accepts one of them. Pisses me the hell off to have to make sure I don't play right into their hands.For all of you who think I'm wrong: Congratulations on being perfect. I'm sure you've never dialed a wrong phone number or hit the wrong button on your remote control. Why don't you use your great powers of perfection and solve a couple of the world's problems.

The guy said thought he accepted another trade, went to work... check his email later and saw what happened. I talked to this guys for 3 yrs since the league opened and I believe him.Oh yeah, the guy just completed the following dealHe gave Cotch / Bradshaw / Britt for Wayne / Mason / Gates

Good. I hope some other non-playoff teams decide to stack this guy. Let the commish see where being an ###hole gets you.

great...now we get a lawyer chiming in about contract law...

Sorry my logic upsets you. Just so you know, though, the entire trading system is based on standard offer/acceptance contract law. That's why you can change your mind and cancel an offer before it's accepted, but not afterwards.

 

[Steelfan7]

Man I'm getting pissed of listening to Phurphur's postings on this subject. MISTAKES HAPPEN, MAN! I've been about half a button push away from doing it myself several times, which is why I now go incredibly slow whenever dealing with rejecting trade offers. Way easy to hit the wrong button, even hit it twice as both the first and second screen look the same.

I'm an attorney and I can tell you both federal contract law and every state's contract's laws say a contract based on a mistake can be rescinded(which means cancelled). You crazy "mistakenly accepted offers can never be cancelled" fundamentalists are spouting nonsense that every court in America has said is wrong.

I know of owners and have been in leagues with owners who send out endless ridiculous offers just hoping someone mistakenly accepts one of them. Pisses me the hell off to have to make sure I don't play right into their hands.

For all of you who think I'm wrong: Congratulations on being perfect. I'm sure you've never dialed a wrong phone number or hit the wrong button on your remote control. Why don't you use your great powers of perfection and solve a couple of the world's problems.

The guy said thought he accepted another trade, went to work... check his email later and saw what happened. I talked to this guys for 3 yrs since the league opened and I believe him.

Oh yeah, the guy just completed the following deal

He gave Cotch / Bradshaw / Britt for Wayne / Mason / Gates

Good. I hope some other non-playoff teams decide to stack this guy. Let the commish see where being an ###hole gets you.

Sorry couldn't resist. lol

 

[jackdubl]

Hey!

 

[DropKick]

Like I said to the commish... as a Player in the league he has the right to keep the trade, no one can say he doesn't. But as a commissioner it just doesn't look good.

While I agree with this and as a commissioner myself I would have reversed the trade, what you are saying is essentially "because he is the commissioner he gets screwed out of this deal".

Such is life as a commish. I had a situation this week where a team had an illegal roster. My thought was to give him a zero at the TE position. It would have turned his win into a loss. The problem? I was his opponent.In a league of friends, I felt this would have been too heavy handed... especially if I were to benefit. Had he played someone else, I probably would have ruled differently. As it stands, he has been "warned" of the infraction. If it happens again, I won't be so polite.I'm sure most commish's have similar stories.

 

[DropKick]

Sounds like the commish was spamming lousy trades to people trying to have this happen. I booted a guy out of my league for this.

Other than this hes been alright, but he does Spam us... atleast 5 owners have gone on the message board and complained and his response is "just reject them." Well, he hit the jackpot this time and its going to cost him some good league members... and a bad rep. Gawd he kept sending me offers for me best players all the time... and I always rejected the same offer. Not only does he send the offer, but he would also send and email telling me that this player is going to big one day and I'm making a mistake. And 3/4th of the time he would cut the player he trying to sell at seasons end. On top of that, his spamming caused other people to spam the league... which will be in full force now after this.

Why not just let the offers expire? Why do you need to reject them? Then the message you don't send will be loud and clear.

 

[jchap31]

This is why in both a dynasty league I commish and another in which I am an owner,

1. a trade is only final when both parties agree to it via message board or

2. email forwarded to commissioner with both owners agreeing to deal - offer email and reply accepting offer

and THEN the "offer" is sent in Yahoo for the sole purpose of transferring the players.

This way there is a trail that shows both owners agreed to said trade and "oh I press the wrong button" is null and void.

Have the binding trade in another format and you have no problems. Halfway through 4th season and no problems with trades. Just don't rely solely on the trade mechanism in your league software. Use emails/league message board instead.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Sounds like the commish was spamming lousy trades to people trying to have this happen. I booted a guy out of my league for this.

Other than this hes been alright, but he does Spam us... atleast 5 owners have gone on the message board and complained and his response is "just reject them." Well, he hit the jackpot this time and its going to cost him some good league members... and a bad rep. Gawd he kept sending me offers for me best players all the time... and I always rejected the same offer. Not only does he send the offer, but he would also send and email telling me that this player is going to big one day and I'm making a mistake. And 3/4th of the time he would cut the player he trying to sell at seasons end. On top of that, his spamming caused other people to spam the league... which will be in full force now after this.

Why not just let the offers expire? Why do you need to reject them? Then the message you don't send will be loud and clear.

they don't expire in RTS

 

[KellysHeroes]

A couple came on last night pissed off by the 2 trades... Commish just looked the other and so now the issue is closed.

"I am glad it all worked out for Blackfoot, but rest assured had he asked for an immediate reversal with

in 10-15 minutes, and not made another trade during the meantime, I would have gladly reversed..

Him making another deal, THEN asking for a reversal 1.5 hours later was the issue for me.. But I am

glad he was able to trade Britt for the same sort of player in Gates, and that he is happy. I'm sorry if I

was the cause of the drama, but still feel I did the right thing."

I have been looking to start up another league anyway, and I have no plans in being in this league once my contract is up so I'll have a little more free time. I'm paid up to 2010... so I'll just keep my mouth shut and walk away when its over.

Thanks for everyone's voice, I commish 5 leagues and this experience was good for me and make me better at doing the job.

 

[Foosball God]

If I were the commish I would reverse this, but I would be pretty pissed off about it. I would probably go looking for another league as well as it seems like there is already friction between him and other owners. Why do people get so pissed off when they receive an offer they don't like? It seems like everyone is pissed off at the commish because he offers trades that are heavily in his favor. Does it really matter that much?

 

[Foosball God]

If I were the commish I would reverse this, but I would be pretty pissed off about it. I would probably go looking for another league as well as it seems like there is already friction between him and other owners. Why do people get so pissed off when they receive an offer they don't like? It seems like everyone is pissed off at the commish because he offers trades that are heavily in his favor. Does it really matter that much?

Reading further, it seems like he is a bit of a tool about it. If he sends the same offer again after it was already rejected I can see the issue.

 

[John 14:6]

I commish a league and one time was making offers back and forth with another owner. One of the offers I got I really liked and accepted it. Later on the other owner sent an e-mail to the effect, "I made a mistake and wanted to get this other player from you, too. But I guess I have to live with it now." I replied and said I would have still accepted the deal and just sent him the extra player. Had I not wanted to send that player, I would have reversed the trade.

 

[Phurfur]

Man I'm getting pissed of listening to Phurphur's postings on this subject. MISTAKES HAPPEN, MAN! I've been about half a button push away from doing it myself several times, which is why I now go incredibly slow whenever dealing with rejecting trade offers. Way easy to hit the wrong button, even hit it twice as both the first and second screen look the same.

I'm an attorney and I can tell you both federal contract law and every state's contract's laws say a contract based on a mistake can be rescinded(which means cancelled). You crazy "mistakenly accepted offers can never be cancelled" fundamentalists are spouting nonsense that every court in America has said is wrong.

I know of owners and have been in leagues with owners who send out endless ridiculous offers just hoping someone mistakenly accepts one of them. Pisses me the hell off to have to make sure I don't play right into their hands.

For all of you who think I'm wrong: Congratulations on being perfect. I'm sure you've never dialed a wrong phone number or hit the wrong button on your remote control. Why don't you use your great powers of perfection and solve a couple of the world's problems.

I found me a millennial! By the way I posted 4 times in this thread how many times have you posted. There is no way you are a lawyer! You cannot cancel a contract because you signed it by mistake! You may be referring to this "In contract law a mistake is an erroneous belief, at contracting, that certain facts are true. It may be used as grounds to invalidate the agreement" or this "a court may equitably modify a contract where there are mistakes of fact or law". "I made a mistake" is not defense!

I am not a lawyer so maybe you can educate me on the law and show me where a contract can be cancelled because you claim you signed it by mistake.

 

[Phurfur]

Man I'm getting pissed of listening to Phurphur's postings on this subject. MISTAKES HAPPEN, MAN! I've been about half a button push away from doing it myself several times, which is why I now go incredibly slow whenever dealing with rejecting trade offers. Way easy to hit the wrong button, even hit it twice as both the first and second screen look the same.

I'm an attorney and I can tell you both federal contract law and every state's contract's laws say a contract based on a mistake can be rescinded(which means cancelled). You crazy "mistakenly accepted offers can never be cancelled" fundamentalists are spouting nonsense that every court in America has said is wrong.

I know of owners and have been in leagues with owners who send out endless ridiculous offers just hoping someone mistakenly accepts one of them. Pisses me the hell off to have to make sure I don't play right into their hands.

For all of you who think I'm wrong: Congratulations on being perfect. I'm sure you've never dialed a wrong phone number or hit the wrong button on your remote control. Why don't you use your great powers of perfection and solve a couple of the world's problems.

Mr. Millennial, I was taught that everyone makes mistakes but we have to pay for our own mistakes, that is how we learn. How were you brought up?

 

[T Man]

Everyone is jumping on the commish, but a few facts seem to jump out:

1. The Rule Book states:

"The only trade deals that will be reversed is if there is obvious collusion and 10 out of the 14 teams protest the trade publicly on the message board with in 24 hours of the deal"

2. THis is a dynasty league, so moves have to be made with thought not only to current roster but future years and productivity of players.

3. A trade offer was apparently made by the Commish with some discussion with the recipient, Blackfoot. Commish said that Blackfoot had considered trading Celek for Britt earlier.

4. Commish makes a trade offer of Britt/Morgan for Dallas Clark. Not necessarily a trade I would make, but certainly not collusive in the context of dynasty. SO the portion of the rule regarding a league vote is inapplicable.

5. Blackfoot apparently rejects several offers immediately, but not the offer of Britt/Morgan for Clark.

6. Blackfoot "Accepts" the trade by pressing the accept button and then a second time confirming that he, in fact, wanted to make the trade.

7. Blackfoot makes another trades after accepting the trade of Britt/Morgan for Clark (and before he contests the trade).

8. Commish makes several roster moves based upon the accepted trade by Blackfoot.

9. (Assumption) Trade is posted to the league as being confirmed.

10. A few hours later, Blackfoot tells commish he made a mistake.

If this is accurate, I can't see how the commish is terrible in this situation. And I certainly can't see why the Commish is getting called out and called names while Blackfoot's name is virtually untouched in this thread.

I understand that the commish apparently has a history of making numerous trade offers (that many think favor him), but I am not sure that is a factor. THe facts seem to lay out a case that Blackfoot simply had buyer's remorse. He may really like Britt, but later realized that with the Commish's tight end hurt he could have gotten more. WIithout being able to see all the rosters, we really do not know. And, others may have simply contacted Blackfoot to tell him what an idiot he was. All of this is unknown.

What is known is this -- if the commish was not involved, and the same fact scenario involved another team - one team saying he made a mistake and the other team claiming that he (a) hit the button twice after (b) thinking long and hard on the offer and rejecting others, and © after he suggested that he wanted Britt for a top 5 TE, and (d) both teams make subsequent changes to there rosters --

Teams would be in an uproar if the Commish singlehandedly reversed the trade in that situation. For example, the teams that are in 5th and 6th place this year would claim that the trade should go through. Each person in the league who sides with either the commish or with Blackfoot do so with baggage from other dealings or with friendship or for gain of their own in the league.

The question is whether the Commish should break the established rules in this situation, and I say no.

If this is a money league there is absolutely no way the Commish can rescind the trade.

In a friendly league (and if there is unanimous consent), the Commish could have rescinded the trade as some suggest, but in my opinion it is more complicated then that. Every team had made moves since that time that may have been influenced bu that transaction. Every team has a stake in the trade in some way. SO all subsequent transactions would be rescinded (roster moves of every team, trades of every team, etc.) All teams in the league would have to be reset to where they were pre trade and Clark would have to be an untradeable commodity this year. Do all teams want to do this? Without unanimity, i still say the trade stands.

Now others can be upset and refuse to trade with the commish (as is there right), but at some point the rules have to be followed and there has to be consequences for messing up.

 

[allaces10]

Commish handled this exactly how he should have and his comments that have been posted are spot on. I see absolutely nothing wrong with anything he did nor his reasoning which he clearly laid out perfectly. His lopsided annoying trade offers are one thing, but he seems like a good commish to me. One thing i've learned over the years is that you never know how other owners view their players, and you might be suprised they will let them go for less than you think. You dont know until you actually try. I have pulled some phenomenal trades over the years that i never expected the other guy to accept, and they never would have happened if i didnt offer. Gotta be in it to win it....the commish seems like a savvy fantasy owner as well.

ps...I am not the commish.

 

[KellysHeroes]

If I were the commish I would reverse this, but I would be pretty pissed off about it. I would probably go looking for another league as well as it seems like there is already friction between him and other owners. Why do people get so pissed off when they receive an offer they don't like? It seems like everyone is pissed off at the commish because he offers trades that are heavily in his favor. Does it really matter that much?

Reading further, it seems like he is a bit of a tool about it. If he sends the same offer again after it was already rejected I can see the issue.

The guy is brutal with his trade offers, I have told so many times that I'm not interested and he would continue to offer me the same trade in some way... I once played a game on him where I told him to send me the offer Sweed/Morgan for Wayne; he sent and I never responded for 2 days, and ofcourse he wrote to me 4 or 5 times during that time... its a form of harrement to do that. I then told him no way was I trading that and I did it to piss him off and leave me alone.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Everyone is jumping on the commish, but a few facts seem to jump out:

1. The Rule Book states:

"The only trade deals that will be reversed is if there is obvious collusion and 10 out of the 14 teams protest the trade publicly on the message board with in 24 hours of the deal"

so far 8 teams have come on and protested the whole thing... no one has sided with the commish and his comments. You want over half a league mad at you? Some have already declared there leaving after this yr.

2. THis is a dynasty league, so moves have to be made with thought not only to current roster but future years and productivity of players.

It is dynasty, but why would a team in the #4 playoff spot destory their chances and make the deal... makes no sense

3. A trade offer was apparently made by the Commish with some discussion with the recipient, Blackfoot. Commish said that Blackfoot had considered trading Celek for Britt earlier.

4. Commish makes a trade offer of Britt/Morgan for Dallas Clark. Not necessarily a trade I would make, but certainly not collusive in the context of dynasty. SO the portion of the rule regarding a league vote is inapplicable.

Again, over half the league has protested the Commish and his actions...

5. Blackfoot apparently rejects several offers immediately, but not the offer of Britt/Morgan for Clark.

Not sure what happened, but he rejected some trades and must of thought he came up to the trade he did want to accept.

6. Blackfoot "Accepts" the trade by pressing the accept button and then a second time confirming that he, in fact, wanted to make the trade.

Again, this action is required to accept or reject in RTS... and the box that comes up is the same looking box; so you can zone out and not double look

7. Blackfoot makes another trades after accepting the trade of Britt/Morgan for Clark (and before he contests the trade).

8. Commish makes several roster moves based upon the accepted trade by Blackfoot.

No Roster moves, the trade is accepted and I guess he had some offer on the table that gets automatically rejected

9. (Assumption) Trade is posted to the league as being confirmed.

League gets an email

10. A few hours later, Blackfoot tells commish he made a mistake.

the guy claimed he went to work and then got the email about the trade... didn't realize what happened until then

 

[amphibianbri]

I'm a commish and to be perfectly honest the commish didn't do anything wrong. I'm a teacher in my real job and thinking before you act is part of life. Clicking the wrong button twice and then making your own lopsided trade followed by whining about the trade you clicked on twice to approve wreaks of being juvenile. I agree that the commish's reasons for not trying to work something out sooner were kind of weak (the whole business trip thing, etc), it absolutely was within the rules. I love the way that some people think the second trade was absolutely great as it was even more lopsided yet want to say the commish is ruining the league. Is this a league of teens because it's exactly what it sounds like.

 

[Phurfur]

Everyone is jumping on the commish, but a few facts seem to jump out:

1. The Rule Book states:

"The only trade deals that will be reversed is if there is obvious collusion and 10 out of the 14 teams protest the trade publicly on the message board with in 24 hours of the deal"

so far 8 teams have come on and protested the whole thing... no one has sided with the commish and his comments. You want over half a league mad at you? Some have already declared there leaving after this yr.

2. THis is a dynasty league, so moves have to be made with thought not only to current roster but future years and productivity of players.

It is dynasty, but why would a team in the #4 playoff spot destory their chances and make the deal... makes no sense

3. A trade offer was apparently made by the Commish with some discussion with the recipient, Blackfoot. Commish said that Blackfoot had considered trading Celek for Britt earlier.

4. Commish makes a trade offer of Britt/Morgan for Dallas Clark. Not necessarily a trade I would make, but certainly not collusive in the context of dynasty. SO the portion of the rule regarding a league vote is inapplicable.

Again, over half the league has protested the Commish and his actions...

5. Blackfoot apparently rejects several offers immediately, but not the offer of Britt/Morgan for Clark.

Not sure what happened, but he rejected some trades and must of thought he came up to the trade he did want to accept.

6. Blackfoot "Accepts" the trade by pressing the accept button and then a second time confirming that he, in fact, wanted to make the trade.

Again, this action is required to accept or reject in RTS... and the box that comes up is the same looking box; so you can zone out and not double look

7. Blackfoot makes another trades after accepting the trade of Britt/Morgan for Clark (and before he contests the trade).

8. Commish makes several roster moves based upon the accepted trade by Blackfoot.

No Roster moves, the trade is accepted and I guess he had some offer on the table that gets automatically rejected

9. (Assumption) Trade is posted to the league as being confirmed.

League gets an email

10. A few hours later, Blackfoot tells commish he made a mistake.

the guy claimed he went to work and then got the email about the trade... didn't realize what happened until then

I think it went more like this: the guy went to work and his co-workers told him it was a bad trade.

 

[Jeremy]

Why do people get so pissed off when they receive an offer they don't like? It seems like everyone is pissed off at the commish because he offers trades that are heavily in his favor. Does it really matter that much?

This is sort of a subplot in this thread. I wouldn't say there's one in every league, but there's probably one guy like this in every 3 or 4 leagues that I've played in. Just pounds you with one trade offer after another, not a one them coming close to offering equal value in return for what he's after. After a while you get kind of tired of having your intelligence insulted. Everyone wants to get the best of it in a trade, but a person should make a good faith effort to make a reasonable offer.

 

[Topes]

I haven't got time to read the entire thread (just read the OP), so I'm not really commenting on the trade.

It's my general feeling that the internets and computer programs are littered with all too many confirmation boxes. (Are you sure you want to close this program?)

Trading on fantasy sites is a bit too easy, IMO.

On MFL, one need only click a link from an email.

If fantasy sites were to have more warnings in place, teams couldn't claim they accidentally accepted trades, and this wouldn't be an issue. Javascript popups whould warn "Are you sure you want to trade Dallass Freaking Clark for two piles of carp?" and require the owner to select from OK or Cancel.

Cuz, we really don't know whether this guy really accepted accidentally or not. My best guess is that he accepted it on purpose, and immediately got emails from his friends int he league asking why he's such a dumb---, and then said he did it on accident. But that's my guess. It don't count.