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Trying to increase his trade value.
concurTrying to increase his trade value.
After looking at Garrard's play, I doubt it. However, Quinn Gray is an interesting player.Edited to say that it's almost a foregone conclusion that Garrard will get traded. Probably for a 3rd rd pick.
Can you elaborate on this further Bob?
i think their OL is above average, but isn't viewed as one of the best in the league (are they considered in top 10?)... clearly they are formidable in run blocking (they rushed for a RIDICULOUS 375 yards against IND... IN ONE GAME!
), but not sure if they are as balanced or accomplished in pass pro...i could be off base, though, i don't follow jags as closely as many homers do, i'm sure, & am always up for being educated by local/regional eyes around the league... i'm rarely wedded to any of my opinions, except ones like... LT is pretty good... 
When Lefty's healthy he's their best option, and hasn't done much but good. Sure he's had a few bad games, but just about everyone does. He's been limited by health problems, which are a legitimate cause for concern, but also by inconsistency in the WR corps and less than visionary offensive playcalling and game planning.I think it's just too soon for the Jags to cut bait on Lefty.
I was just curious, that's all. I can't honestly give a proper comparison to other teams line play because I really don't know too much about them. I believe the OL had a fantastic year. The Jags finished the year with the following:i think their OL is above average, but isn't viewed as one of the best in the league (are they considered in top 10?)... clearly they are formidable in run blocking (they rushed for a RIDICULOUS 375 yards against IND... IN ONE GAME!), but not sure if they are as balanced or accomplished in pass pro...i could be off base, though, i don't follow jags as closely as many homers do, i'm sure, & am always up for being educated by local/regional eyes around the league... i'm rarely wedded to any of my opinions, except ones like... LT is pretty good...
* maybe my remark wasn't so much intended as dis on JAX OL, but acknowledgement that lefty not most mobile QB, & surrounding him with best possible unit could help him to avoid injuries & really break out like some think he is capable of... i guess there aren't too many OLs in NFL that are so good they couldn't stand an improvement... come to think of it though, aren't like 4 of the 5 current starters signed long term (some with recent extensions?)... i don't think khalif barnes is going anywhere... are the other tackle & center well regarded in JAX?
Really
These have been my thoughts from the start.
So are we're not going to be inundated with your "thoughts" on how Garrard is the best QB on the roster anymore?
No, you're not.
As a matter of fact, I can't find anyone in this thread that thinks letting Leftwich loose is a GOOD idea.I'm shuked here.
The reason they're disclosing this now is because Leftwich & Del Rio were apparently not talking and Leftwich was very unhappy with the way things were handled when Garrard took over during the season. By letting everybody (including Leftwich) know up front that there is no QB battle or controversy in JAX, it allows Leftwich to rightfully regain the reigns of his football team while putting this episode behind them.With JAX's stout defense & running game, they are a legit contender with Leftwich and improved play at the WR spots. They're not a contender with David Garrard. I think a Moss for Garrard deal makes a lot more sense, especially since Garrard stands much less of a chance of getting killed behind OAK's putrid O-Line...and it would allow the Raiders to ease JaMarcus Russell in while he learns from the sidelines for a year.
The reason is clear, and it has nothing to do with trading Leftwich.
Yes, they hired Dirk Koetter as their OC.
What's his philosophy? Leftwich seemed like a square peg trying to fit into a round hole in the last system.
Has consistently had one of the top passing offenses in college football over the past seven years(off the top of my head)
He utilizes a vertical passing scheme. This fits Leftwich well, but I feel that the Jags currently do not have the personnel to fit this scheme. A field stretching WR is needed and that type of receiver is not currently on the roster. I'm hoping that they can find a guy to fill that role. The previous OC's system was more ball-control and that didn't seem to suit Leftwich very well. This philosophy, I believe, came primarily from Del Rio's mantra of run/stop the run. Also, I feel Reggie Williams, when not lost in his own head, was sorely misused. I hope Koetter will use him primarily as a short route, over the middle type of receiver.
Again, Randy Moss.
PFT is out there sometimes, but they are right more often than not. Well, except for Pete Carroll to SD.
Well, he most certainly fits the need. They have plenty of cap space to do this, but it's still a big amount of coin to drop for a guy who brings a suitcase of baggage with him.
Solid appears to be his ceiling, though. Occasionally someone throws around the number of games where he's thrown for 3 TDs or 300 yards... it's something silly like three games in his career. I know he has a conservative coach, but at some point you have to wonder if he'll ever be useful in fantasy.It just seems like his ceiling is Troy Aikman, and that's not so useful in FF.
Actually, I think the percentage is rather low on how right they are, but no matter.Did what I say make sense? Does it really fool anyone if they name Leftwich a starter, then shop him around town? And will teams seriously raise their price because Del Rio released a statement?phillyfan72 said:
Matt Jones down?Mr. Brownstone said:
It looks as if he's best suited for intermediate routes at this point in his career. I know he's fast and he's just learning the position, but the Jags need to bolster the WR unit with a guy who can lengthen the field. Too often last year, defenses sat on the the short and intermediate routes and dared them to throw it deep- It didn't work out too well.
Jones gets jammed way too much at the LOS and hence cannot get downfield as much as his speed would indicate. He needs to get more physical and since his progression has been hindered by inconsistancy and injury, expect the jaguars to bring in someone via FA or the draft who can be physical at the LOS and burn defenses deep downfield. I cant count the number of times I saw the safetys just daring the Jags to beat them deep. Matt Jones, however, has done well as an intermediate guy, as he is able to make tough catches and where there is no physicality from the corners.
I guess the front office did as well.I was just curious, that's all. I can't honestly give a proper comparison to other teams line play because I really don't know too much about them. I believe the OL had a fantastic year. The Jags finished the year with the following:i think their OL is above average, but isn't viewed as one of the best in the league (are they considered in top 10?)... clearly they are formidable in run blocking (they rushed for a RIDICULOUS 375 yards against IND... IN ONE GAME!), but not sure if they are as balanced or accomplished in pass pro...i could be off base, though, i don't follow jags as closely as many homers do, i'm sure, & am always up for being educated by local/regional eyes around the league... i'm rarely wedded to any of my opinions, except ones like... LT is pretty good...
* maybe my remark wasn't so much intended as dis on JAX OL, but acknowledgement that lefty not most mobile QB, & surrounding him with best possible unit could help him to avoid injuries & really break out like some think he is capable of... i guess there aren't too many OLs in NFL that are so good they couldn't stand an improvement... come to think of it though, aren't like 4 of the 5 current starters signed long term (some with recent extensions?)... i don't think khalif barnes is going anywhere... are the other tackle & center well regarded in JAX?
They were third in the league in rushing offense, second on YPR, were 12th in the league in sacks allowed, and were ninth in scoring offense. I know this isn't all attributable to the OL, but it can be a pretty good indicator, despite the sub-par QB and WR play. Teams knew that the Jags were pretty one-dimensional and were going to run the ball, and for the most part they were able to run the ball successfully.
The OL from left to right:
- Khalif Barnes is a solid player who doesn't get much pub. He makes few errors and is a fixture. He solidified that line the minute he was inserted into the starting line-up last year.
- Vince Manuwai rebounded from a lackluster year last year and played real well. He was rewarded with a big contract recently.
- Brad Meester is a solid veteran who played well. I actually thought that he had lost his job last year when he was injured and Dennis Norman came in and played well. But he was able to hold it down this year.
- Chris Naeole played great this year. He's as dependable as anyone on the roster. He is, however, going to be 33 this year.
- I thought Maurice Williams was the weaker of the offensive lineman this year. He'll need to rebound this off season.
They have some decent prospects and projects behind them (Norman, Richard Collier[raw]). Depth on the OL needs to be strengthened though and as you said, who couldn't use some improvement and infusion of more talent.
This is what has me edgy. It seems like the Jags have stockpiled for one last hurrah with Leftwich. Everyone is healthy, they brought in some new weapons and o-line help, no more QB controversy and the defense is as good as ever. I almost see it as JDR vs. Lefty here in the sense that if Leftwich does just nominal this year he's likely to get canned. However, if he can succeed and prove that he is our starting NFL QB for the future, I see JDR on the way out due to his lack of trust in Leftwich and his rift with the F/O regarding Brady Quinn. Seems like GM Shack Harris is on Lefty's side here. Its a test of survival at this point between the two and I think both realize it. The million dollar question is who will lose out here?
This is why I was so sure that a QB would be drafted. I think the million dollar question here is this- If Leftwich is not here after this year, what will happen to this well-stocked team when few options at QB exist? They must have a great deal of confidence in Gray, because the alternative to Leftwich not being here next year is such a big question mark. I would hope that they don't think Garrard is an answer as well. Both Del Rio and Byron are saying most of the right things about one another, but I'd be willing to bet that their relationship is beyond frosty. Between that and his inability to stay on the field for an entire season, this just leaves so many question marks for '08 and beyond. I hope it doesn't come to this.If it comes down to straws, Shack Harris will win out in the end. And with that, so does Byron.
He's the best option at this point though.Many feel the same way you do, but I don't think maturity has much to do with it. "It" is his inability to stay on the field that is the biggest issue, as far as I am concerned.It may be just me....but Lefty doesn't strike me as a "championship" type of QB. Maybe a maturity thing. I just don't get the vibe that he has "it".
