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Leinart - Going forward (1 Viewer)
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Routilla
Footballguy
This week should tell us a lot. I have ML and Warner and am ready to part with one or both of them. I'd like to see ML have a quality start so I can dump Warner and add depth somewhere else.
swirvenirvin
Footballguy
Unless Leinart is just awful no way they go back to Warner now.. You can't
Bristol
Footballguy
I agree. Didn't Green say that "Leinart is his QB. Period"?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I dont think it does, unless Leinart has a quality start.You should expect him to have a very bad day. Kansas City vs the pass this year... has crushed fantasy outputs of opposing QBs.Palmer 127 0Td 0Int Plummer 173 0Td 1Int Smith 92 0Td 2Int #1 KC - 5.33 a game#2 8.75#5 9.5#6 11.3 - doubled the production KC has allowed#10 12.0#17 14.75#32 23.00That comes out to about what? 127 yards and 1 int.
If Hell freezes over, if the check arrives in the mail, and if Arizona beats KC this weekend it will be because Leinart played reasonably well in which case he remains at QB. If Arizona loses, then at 1 and 4, they are already playing for next year in which case Leinart remains the QB. DUMP WARNER!!
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Arizona is not a good team, regardless of who is under center.
Personally, I think he is in for a solid NFL career but...
He looked like a rookie last Sunday and he is going to look like a rookie again this week. The OL problems for the Cardinals compound the situation and make it that much easier for defenses to prepare for a rookie QB. It could be a LONG afternoon for the Cards offense.
Green hitched his wagon to the rookie the minute he sat Warner and he, Green, cannot go back. For better or worse #7 is under center for the remainder of the year. For example, Spurrier had a history of rotating QB in college and brought that act to the NFL. His team eventually quit on him. You can make that work on Saturdays but it will not fly on Sundays. Green knows that and has charted his team's course for the rest of 06.
I have signifcantly tempered my expectations of Boldin and Fitz on my various dynasty teams for the remainder of this year. For selfish reasons I would love nothing more than to see Leinart do his best Dan Marino or Drew Bledsoe rookie season impression but those types of years are the exception and not the rule.
There are going to be good weeks with an equal number of bad weeks.
He looked like a rookie last Sunday and he is going to look like a rookie again this week. The OL problems for the Cardinals compound the situation and make it that much easier for defenses to prepare for a rookie QB. It could be a LONG afternoon for the Cards offense.
Green hitched his wagon to the rookie the minute he sat Warner and he, Green, cannot go back. For better or worse #7 is under center for the remainder of the year. For example, Spurrier had a history of rotating QB in college and brought that act to the NFL. His team eventually quit on him. You can make that work on Saturdays but it will not fly on Sundays. Green knows that and has charted his team's course for the rest of 06.
I have signifcantly tempered my expectations of Boldin and Fitz on my various dynasty teams for the remainder of this year. For selfish reasons I would love nothing more than to see Leinart do his best Dan Marino or Drew Bledsoe rookie season impression but those types of years are the exception and not the rule.
There are going to be good weeks with an equal number of bad weeks.
I would roll the dice on Gradkowski. Stick a fork in Warner.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Did`nt we stick a fork in warner last year....and the year before...and the year before that...and..you get the picture..........the guy just NEVER goes away.........300 yards and 2-3 td`s just when you think he has bottomed out. Matt could stink it up or get hurt and who will have a resurection?????WARNER
EBF
Footballguy
I think Marc Bulger and Eli Manning might have something to say about the invincible Kurt Warner. Dude has had his job taken at two straight stops. Looks he just won the triple crown.Did`nt we stick a fork in warner last year....and the year before...and the year before that...and..you get the picture..........the guy just NEVER goes away.........300 yards and 2-3 td`s just when you think he has bottomed out. Matt could stink it up or get hurt and who will have a resurection?????WARNER
You all have some great insights on Warner... most of which most of us already knew. The krux of the question though, is what can we expect from Leinart? Of course he will have a tough week this week against KC, but what about the rest of the season? Remember that this is the NFC West we're talkin' about.
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
Everyone says Leinart is "game ready". What do you judge that from? College? Practice? Preseason?
I can only think of one QB who was ready for the NFL from day 1: Dan Marino. Big Ben was pretty good too, but he was not asked to do much. Leinart is going to have to carry that team because the run game and defense are ineffective.
Bottom line, the percentages dictate that 99% of rookie QB's struggle. Leinart is additionally handicapped by playing behind that awful offensive line.
Fitz and Boldin might still put up good yardage because they are going to be throwing a lot, but Arizona is going to lose a lot of games this season.
I can only think of one QB who was ready for the NFL from day 1: Dan Marino. Big Ben was pretty good too, but he was not asked to do much. Leinart is going to have to carry that team because the run game and defense are ineffective.
Bottom line, the percentages dictate that 99% of rookie QB's struggle. Leinart is additionally handicapped by playing behind that awful offensive line.
Fitz and Boldin might still put up good yardage because they are going to be throwing a lot, but Arizona is going to lose a lot of games this season.
If you want a good comparison for how Leinart might do look at Carson Palmer's rookie year.
Both early 1st round picks from the same system. Both got the start 3-4 games into their rookie year.
Even Cincy a couple years ago and Arizona are pretty similar if I am remember correctly (good RB, good WRs, decent D, crappy OL).
Both early 1st round picks from the same system. Both got the start 3-4 games into their rookie year.
Even Cincy a couple years ago and Arizona are pretty similar if I am remember correctly (good RB, good WRs, decent D, crappy OL).
So where does Leinart Rank FF wise at the end of the season?(for # games played,and assuming healthy) Near the middle of the pack, which is where Warner is incidently. Top 20, bottom 20? I could see him in the top 15 for the remaining games with the WR talent. That would put him in the Brees, Brunnell area. Would make a decent #2.
Cenobite
Footballguy
Carson Palmer didn't play when he was a rookie.
I think Eli Manning taking over for Warner is a better comparison.
Shermanator
Footballguy
And to take that further comparing Leinart to Palmer is somewhat laughable. Coming out of college Palmer was being compared to John Elway, and a no brainer #1 overall stud pick. Leinart, eh, not so much. More like a smart, efficient, good qb.Carson Palmer didn't play when he was a rookie.
CowboyFan
Footballguy
I think your smokin' some strong stuff.
Spartans346
Footballguy
This is going to be his learning year. I would rather for him to learn now then next year so starting him now is a good thing. If they beef up the o-line next year then look out! He is going to be a top 10 fantasy back with those weapons. He could end up in the top 5.
Sooch
Footballguy
Yes he did. This is from Rotoworld on Oct 3rd:Coach Dennis Green indicated Monday that replacing QB Kurt Warner in the starting lineup with QB Matt Leinart is not a temporary move."That's why you don't make them that often or make them just to make them," Green said. "If we didn't think he could carry his own water, we wouldn't play him." It's likely that Leinart will get rid of the football more quickly than Warner, but he's still going to have trouble putting up big numbers if the offensive line doesn't improve.
glumpy
breeze
Leinart's actually sitting on my waiver wire (along with Warner--limited rosters) so we're all watching close to figure that one out over the next few weeks. I think it's safe to say that his learning curve is going to be rough, following up KC with Chicago. and the only good thing about those is that they're at home so he ~should~ maintain crowd support. It gets a little easier after that with Oakland and Green Bay--but in both cases he'll be playing in hostile territory. IMO for those first four weeks his best will simply be to survive, and I would look for his first td in Oakland, and maybe another two in GB. Then he'll have the bye week to sort things out before the remainder of the season. Frankly, I'm not looking for much in his rookie year. With 12 games left I'd expect an average of about 225-1-1.5 which line would read 2700-12-18 over the span. Something along the lines of Eli Manning's first year when he was thrown into the fire--adjusted for being in a pass-happy offense.
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Topes
Footballguy
Pretty small sample size there. If I had a nickel for every time in the past five years that folks were prasing a turnaround for the KC defense just four weeks into the NFL season, I'd have 20¢. They will regress. It's only a matter of when.I'm not about to predict Leinart will set the world on fire this weekend. Odds are pretty good he won't be so great. Personally, I'm just hoping he gets out of the game healthy.
offdee
Footballguy
Looked very good to me.He should've had another 30 yds passing and a TD to his totals as Bryant Johnson let a sure TD go right thru his arms. Would've put his totals at 280 yds and 3TD's to go along with an excellent late game drive to put the team in FG position to tie the game.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
His running of the two minute offense w/o a TO was extremely impressive
we'll see how he does now that teams have enough film to start game planning against him
we'll see how he does now that teams have enough film to start game planning against him
wannabee
Footballguy
and without Fitz for a few games. I think he will take some lumps in the next couple of games and then adjust for a strong finish. The key just might be the running game, and whether Edge can be effective.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
As I said in another thread, my worry is for Boldin's numbers w/o Fitz more than Leinert w/o Fitz - he had no problem finding Johnson after Fitz went down.
The guy who most stands to benefit is Edge - and, if you own him in a PPR, expect a big bump in those numbers.
I have Edge and Bush in a PPR league - I'm expecting to average 10 points per week from those two guys just on receptions.
The guy who most stands to benefit is Edge - and, if you own him in a PPR, expect a big bump in those numbers.
I have Edge and Bush in a PPR league - I'm expecting to average 10 points per week from those two guys just on receptions.
flooredyas
Footballguy
Monday night vs. Chicago. Yikes. Likely the next QB to have a very trying evening. Has ANY QB done well against them? Better yet, WILL any QB do well against them? This will be a giant step in the development of his maturation to the NFL. I think this will be painful.
So to answer your question about going forward, for this week, expect the low ebb of possibly his career. After that, the future looks bright, even w/o Fitz for a bit (Who I don't expect back till after the bye in week #9). Afterall, you must reach your low point to grow. His just so happens to come this next Monday.
So to answer your question about going forward, for this week, expect the low ebb of possibly his career. After that, the future looks bright, even w/o Fitz for a bit (Who I don't expect back till after the bye in week #9). Afterall, you must reach your low point to grow. His just so happens to come this next Monday.
I think it has to do with the environment those kids play in, if and when the program is operating at a high level. Essentially Leinart has either been through it; seen it or done it, as it pertains to all the glamour and glitz associated with playing QB. He will not be trapped or held back by the off the field media machine that is historically associated with a high profile rookie. He started for the best progam in D1 football in Hollywood. He has lived under the microscope for a long, long time. Speaking directly to this type of off field requirement and potential performance drag, Leinart has such a head start on his peer group.
The guy was on the cover of tabloid rags as a junior in college. Not SI...not Sporting News...but People, Teen Beat and other journalisitc gems. He has already learned how to deal and or cope with that part of the job...and it is a LARGE part of the job.
He can dedicate 100% of his time to his craft. Somone like Cutler or Gradowski, though, are going to have to learn how to handle prime time media spotlight, as well as deal with playing QB on Sunday afternoons.
I am very curious to see how he looks this week and what the Bears throw at him.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Nice sig.
Otis
Footballguy
XKid was poised in his first NFL start against a tough blitzing defense. He only turned the ball over once. He put together a drive at the end of the game to get his team in scoring position.
There was nothing rookie-like about his performance. It was a solid NFL QB game.
Hey, I was pleasantly surprised and I do not mind being wrong on that account. The kid looked very good all afternoon. That Fitzgerald injury is a large blow to the Cardinals offense.Otis said:
Before Fitzgerald left that game it looked like the Cardinals were about to beat the Chiefs' *** all afternoon. Fitzgerald goes down; Boldin was accounted for with rolled coverage; the defense was front loaded and the Cards had a much tougher time moving the football.
I was very impressed with Leinart. That was a solid first day at the offense against a solid defense. I'll give credit where credit is due.
Otis
Footballguy
My mistake, I thought your post was regarding this week's game.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
About 2 spots higher than where you had Warner when he was the starter.
Wheelhouse
Footballguy
I am looking forward to watching Leinart perform this week against the Big Bad Bears in front of a national audience in his home stadium with a raucous night game crowd.
I really can see Leinart progressing through his reads, coming of age against the Bears this week. I think he'll get a few facemasks full of turf, but I don't think he'll have a bad game as bad games go against the Bears. There's something about Leinart that leads me to believe he's meant to play QB in the NFL. Like Carson Palmer, he's a product of USC and there's something to be said about a blue chip QB coming out of that system. I think Leinart will have a respectable game, but to beat Chicago is another story. This game however, will really set the table for games to come this season. I like what I see in Leinart as an NFL QB and think he'll be game-ready before we know it.
I really can see Leinart progressing through his reads, coming of age against the Bears this week. I think he'll get a few facemasks full of turf, but I don't think he'll have a bad game as bad games go against the Bears. There's something about Leinart that leads me to believe he's meant to play QB in the NFL. Like Carson Palmer, he's a product of USC and there's something to be said about a blue chip QB coming out of that system. I think Leinart will have a respectable game, but to beat Chicago is another story. This game however, will really set the table for games to come this season. I like what I see in Leinart as an NFL QB and think he'll be game-ready before we know it.
