Leinart v. Cutler (1 Viewer)

[Banger]

This weekend the Bronc's face off against the Cards and it's #10 pick Leinart v. #11 pick Cutler. So far their per game stats are..

Leinart 10 games 56% 217 yds/gm 1 td/gm 1 int/gm 73 qb rating

Cutler 2 games 53% 166 yds/gm 2 tds/gm 1 int/gm 83 qb rating

Cutler looked a little lost his 1st game vs the Hawks but looked much more comfortable in the 2nd half of game 2 vs. the Chargers. He's got an incredible arm and can fit the ball in incredibly tight spaces similar to Brett Favre.

Leinart's playing better of late and looked pretty sharp last week vs. the Hawks throwing for 232-2-1.

Both of these guys have potential stud status for years to come and it will be interesting seeing them faceoff against one another. Any thoughts/predictions on the battle of the rookies?

I'm guessing Cutler goes 245-2-1 and Leinart 220-1-2.

 

[Godsbrother]

This weekend the Bronc's face off against the Cards and it's #10 pick Leinart v. #11 pick Cutler. So far their per game stats are..Leinart 10 games 56% 217 yds/gm 1 td/gm 1 int/gm 73 qb ratingCutler 2 games 53% 166 yds/gm 2 tds/gm 1 int/gm 83 qb ratingCutler looked a little lost his 1st game vs the Hawks but looked much more comfortable in the 2nd half of game 2 vs. the Chargers. He's got an incredible arm and can fit the ball in incredibly tight spaces similar to Brett Favre. Leinart's playing better of late and looked pretty sharp last week vs. the Hawks throwing for 232-2-1. Both of these guys have potential stud status for years to come and it will be interesting seeing them faceoff against one another. Any thoughts/predictions on the battle of the rookies?I'm guessing Cutler goes 245-2-1 and Leinart 220-1-2.

Cutler is going up against a weaker defense than Leinart is this week so I agree that he should put up better numbers. Of course lately the Broncos defense hasn't been all that impressive so maybe not.

 

[tombonneau]

Interesting, hadn't even considered this angle. Wonder if it will provide additional motiviation for either Cutler or Baby Daddy.

I dont think either are a praticularly good start this week, though Leinart seems to play much better at home.

 

[Banger]

Cutler clearly took this battle. He played an excellent game and the Bronco's used the pass to setup the run early on. He was excellent with the play action, accuracy was excellent and he was crisp all game. Leinart on the other hand had a bad start but got some garbage time stats to make his day look better than it was.

Cutler 31 21 67.7 261 2 1 qb rating of 101.7

Leinart 35 20 57.1 214 0 2 qb rating of 51.4

Cutler's only 3 games in but after his 1st 6 qtrs his qb rating is well over 100. His rating after 3 games is 90 and he's clearly improving each game. His improvement game to game has been very surprising and he really looks like the real deal. Leinart on the other hand looks more like a work in progress.

Anyone that has watched Cutler, do you still question the removal of Plummer? The Bronc's are clearly a more dangerous team with Cutler than Plummer IMO.

 

[thesurfshop19]

The first time I saw that long TD pass to Walker (since I didn't get the game live) I nearly fell out of my chair.

Cutler seems to have developed some touch on his shorter passes, too. This vertical threat will make the Broncos far more dangerous and even if they miss the playoffs this year I'm very happy with the move.

Of course, like every thread on the subject some non-Broncos fans will come in and try to convince everyone that it was a bad move, even though virtually every Broncos fan was willing to sacrifice the inevitable playoff blowout this year if it made us a legit contender in 2007 and beyond.

 

[Banger]

The first time I saw that long TD pass to Walker (since I didn't get the game live) I nearly fell out of my chair.Cutler seems to have developed some touch on his shorter passes, too. This vertical threat will make the Broncos far more dangerous and even if they miss the playoffs this year I'm very happy with the move.Of course, like every thread on the subject some non-Broncos fans will come in and try to convince everyone that it was a bad move, even though virtually every Broncos fan was willing to sacrifice the inevitable playoff blowout this year if it made us a legit contender in 2007 and beyond.

All the sudden the Bronc's wr corp that looked slow and overmatched by nearly every opponent look like a more dangerous group. Cutler puts the ball in very tight spots and hits the runners IN STRIDE which allows them to make yards after the catch. Marshall is all the sudden a threat (5-58) and Sheffler was invisible could be a good TE sleeper next year (3-58). He seems to have gotten much more confident and is rolling out nicely. Shanny looked like an idiot for the move after his 1st game but is looking more like a genius with every game that Cutler plays.

 

[Foosball God]

The first time I saw that long TD pass to Walker (since I didn't get the game live) I nearly fell out of my chair.

That throw was amazing.

 

[Resident A]

I stated Cutler this week. I turned on the TV a few minutes into the game. As I turned it on, he was just releasing that 54yd bomb to Walker. It felt awesome.

 

[Brewzers]

The first time I saw that long TD pass to Walker (since I didn't get the game live) I nearly fell out of my chair.Cutler seems to have developed some touch on his shorter passes, too. This vertical threat will make the Broncos far more dangerous and even if they miss the playoffs this year I'm very happy with the move.Of course, like every thread on the subject some non-Broncos fans will come in and try to convince everyone that it was a bad move, even though virtually every Broncos fan was willing to sacrifice the inevitable playoff blowout this year if it made us a legit contender in 2007 and beyond.

I'm not a real Broncos fan, but I watch a lot of their games because I have TBell. Its only 3 games into his NFL career as a starter, but Cutler looks very good. They clearly have more potential upside & consistency with Cutler. I wonder how much, if any, the sucessful Romo for Bledsoe switch played into his decision to go with Cutler?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I stated Cutler this week. I turned on the TV a few minutes into the game. As I turned it on, he was just releasing that 54yd bomb to Walker. It felt awesome.

Dude was standing on his own 35 yardline,and somewhat effortlessly tossed the ballto the goalline.65 yards in the air.... with ease. :(

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I stated Cutler this week. I turned on the TV a few minutes into the game. As I turned it on, he was just releasing that 54yd bomb to Walker. It felt awesome.

Dude was standing on his own 35 yardline,and somewhat effortlessly tossed the ballto the goalline.65 yards in the air.... with ease.

These kinds of plays are the response to the "arm strength is overrated" stance. I do think arm strength is indeed overrated when it comes to evaluating draft prospects, but throws like that one make you realize why scouting departments get stars in their eyes when a kid has a big arm - it opens up a class of game changing plays that you dont otherwise get.

 

[einstein2u]

sat culter for bulger...took him out the last minute......now i am out of the playoffs.....

 

[moleculo]

Cutler clearly took this battle. He played an excellent game and the Bronco's used the pass to setup the run early on. He was excellent with the play action, accuracy was excellent and he was crisp all game. Leinart on the other hand had a bad start but got some garbage time stats to make his day look better than it was. Cutler 31 21 67.7 261 2 1 qb rating of 101.7 Leinart 35 20 57.1 214 0 2 qb rating of 51.4Cutler's only 3 games in but after his 1st 6 qtrs his qb rating is well over 100. His rating after 3 games is 90 and he's clearly improving each game. His improvement game to game has been very surprising and he really looks like the real deal. Leinart on the other hand looks more like a work in progress. Anyone that has watched Cutler, do you still question the removal of Plummer? The Bronc's are clearly a more dangerous team with Cutler than Plummer IMO.

Don't get me wrong...I'm a big fan of Plummer. But, I felt overjoyed with Cutler in there yesterday - I felt like the Broncos couldn't be stopped, even if the running game wasn't working. That is a feeling I haven't had for years - probably since the SB era. Cutler simply does stuff that few NFL QB's can do. He has touch on the short passes. He has zip when he needs it. He is accurate. He didn't seem to make any errors reading the D. He is mobile and can throw on the run. Cutler seems to have the whole package, something we could never say about Plummer.IMO, Jakes game is smoke and mirrors. He can win games, but he can't win games standing tall in the pocket. Jake needs misdirection and trickery to be effective. That's fine, but when the oppositon doesn't bite on the mis-direction, Denvers offense seems to go flat quickly, and I think that's what happened this year. With a maturing Cutler, Denver has the offensive firepower to win without the fancy mis-direction. This, I think, is the most important aspect of Cutler coming in. Kind of sad that Shanahan can open up the playbook MORE for the rook than he could for the vet.

 

[JayMan]

I stated Cutler this week. I turned on the TV a few minutes into the game. As I turned it on, he was just releasing that 54yd bomb to Walker. It felt awesome.

Dude was standing on his own 35 yardline,and somewhat effortlessly tossed the ballto the goalline.65 yards in the air.... with ease.

These kinds of plays are the response to the "arm strength is overrated" stance. I do think arm strength is indeed overrated when it comes to evaluating draft prospects, but throws like that one make you realize why scouting departments get stars in their eyes when a kid has a big arm - it opens up a class of game changing plays that you dont otherwise get.

... and a class of plays that a defense is not prepared to stop... you could clearly see the FS not going back more than 50-55 yards on that bomb (literally a bomb!) to Walker... not thinking that it would carry that far... incredible pass...Even though he might not launch it... you have to account for it... opening the field just enough...

 

[thesurfshop19]

I wonder how much, if any, the sucessful Romo for Bledsoe switch played into his decision to go with Cutler?

Yeah, no question it had to. I don't honestly know if the idea of Cutler in 2006 was even seriously considered until Dallas made the switch first -- even with Denver's offensive struggles in the first half of the season.I do feel kind of bad for Plummer, being made a scapegoat and all, especially since last year's Broncos team was my favorite of them all. But Cutler's abilities and skills are incredible, and that first laser throw really shows a different dimension that he can bring to the table next year.

 

[Banger]

I stated Cutler this week. I turned on the TV a few minutes into the game. As I turned it on, he was just releasing that 54yd bomb to Walker. It felt awesome.

Dude was standing on his own 35 yardline,and somewhat effortlessly tossed the ballto the goalline.65 yards in the air.... with ease.

These kinds of plays are the response to the "arm strength is overrated" stance. I do think arm strength is indeed overrated when it comes to evaluating draft prospects, but throws like that one make you realize why scouting departments get stars in their eyes when a kid has a big arm - it opens up a class of game changing plays that you dont otherwise get.

... and a class of plays that a defense is not prepared to stop... you could clearly see the SS not going back more than 50-55 yards on that bomb (literally a bomb!) to Walker... not thinking that it would carry that far... incredible pass...

with that ability to stretch field and throw bombs with incredible accuracy and their usually strong running game the Denver offense might be scary next year.

 

[-OZ-]

Cutler clearly took this battle. He played an excellent game and the Bronco's used the pass to setup the run early on. He was excellent with the play action, accuracy was excellent and he was crisp all game. Leinart on the other hand had a bad start but got some garbage time stats to make his day look better than it was. Cutler 31 21 67.7 261 2 1 qb rating of 101.7 Leinart 35 20 57.1 214 0 2 qb rating of 51.4Cutler's only 3 games in but after his 1st 6 qtrs his qb rating is well over 100. His rating after 3 games is 90 and he's clearly improving each game. His improvement game to game has been very surprising and he really looks like the real deal. Leinart on the other hand looks more like a work in progress. Anyone that has watched Cutler, do you still question the removal of Plummer? The Bronc's are clearly a more dangerous team with Cutler than Plummer IMO.

The difference between Leinart and Cutler's performance demonstrates the value of a line and playing a lesser defense. Cutler did look great, he will be a very good QB I think. I'm just not going to say this game shows us that Cutler is any more ready than Leinart. Cutler will probably light it up again next week vs. Cincy, and San Fran might be tougher in week 17.Leinart gets San Fran and San Diego. The fair comparison may be what each does against SF. I will always maintain the OL makes a QB a lot better or worse than he really is. Especially early in their career.ETA: as a JW owner, I'm loving Cutler's arm. Great pass.

 

[Banger]

Cutler clearly took this battle. He played an excellent game and the Bronco's used the pass to setup the run early on. He was excellent with the play action, accuracy was excellent and he was crisp all game. Leinart on the other hand had a bad start but got some garbage time stats to make his day look better than it was. Cutler 31 21 67.7 261 2 1 qb rating of 101.7 Leinart 35 20 57.1 214 0 2 qb rating of 51.4Cutler's only 3 games in but after his 1st 6 qtrs his qb rating is well over 100. His rating after 3 games is 90 and he's clearly improving each game. His improvement game to game has been very surprising and he really looks like the real deal. Leinart on the other hand looks more like a work in progress. Anyone that has watched Cutler, do you still question the removal of Plummer? The Bronc's are clearly a more dangerous team with Cutler than Plummer IMO.

The difference between Leinart and Cutler's performance demonstrates the value of a line and playing a lesser defense. Cutler did look great, he will be a very good QB I think. I'm just not going to say this game shows us that Cutler is any more ready than Leinart. Cutler will probably light it up again next week vs. Cincy, and San Fran might be tougher in week 17.Leinart gets San Fran and San Diego. The fair comparison may be what each does against SF. I will always maintain the OL makes a QB a lot better or worse than he really is. Especially early in their career.ETA: as a JW owner, I'm loving Cutler's arm. Great pass.

and SD since they will have both played them...

 

[jonessed]

Cutler clearly took this battle. He played an excellent game and the Bronco's used the pass to setup the run early on. He was excellent with the play action, accuracy was excellent and he was crisp all game. Leinart on the other hand had a bad start but got some garbage time stats to make his day look better than it was. Cutler 31 21 67.7 261 2 1 qb rating of 101.7 Leinart 35 20 57.1 214 0 2 qb rating of 51.4Cutler's only 3 games in but after his 1st 6 qtrs his qb rating is well over 100. His rating after 3 games is 90 and he's clearly improving each game. His improvement game to game has been very surprising and he really looks like the real deal. Leinart on the other hand looks more like a work in progress. Anyone that has watched Cutler, do you still question the removal of Plummer? The Bronc's are clearly a more dangerous team with Cutler than Plummer IMO.

The difference between Leinart and Cutler's performance demonstrates the value of a line and playing a lesser defense. Cutler did look great, he will be a very good QB I think. I'm just not going to say this game shows us that Cutler is any more ready than Leinart. Cutler will probably light it up again next week vs. Cincy, and San Fran might be tougher in week 17.Leinart gets San Fran and San Diego. The fair comparison may be what each does against SF. I will always maintain the OL makes a QB a lot better or worse than he really is. Especially early in their career.ETA: as a JW owner, I'm loving Cutler's arm. Great pass.

Cutler had all day and Leinart was running for his life. The pass to Walker was quite good, but most of the day his receivers had very good seperation. That's not to knock Cutler for what he did. He played quite well. It's just not a fair comparison between the two QBs abilities.

 

[-OZ-]

Cutler clearly took this battle. He played an excellent game and the Bronco's used the pass to setup the run early on. He was excellent with the play action, accuracy was excellent and he was crisp all game. Leinart on the other hand had a bad start but got some garbage time stats to make his day look better than it was. Cutler 31 21 67.7 261 2 1 qb rating of 101.7 Leinart 35 20 57.1 214 0 2 qb rating of 51.4Cutler's only 3 games in but after his 1st 6 qtrs his qb rating is well over 100. His rating after 3 games is 90 and he's clearly improving each game. His improvement game to game has been very surprising and he really looks like the real deal. Leinart on the other hand looks more like a work in progress. Anyone that has watched Cutler, do you still question the removal of Plummer? The Bronc's are clearly a more dangerous team with Cutler than Plummer IMO.

The difference between Leinart and Cutler's performance demonstrates the value of a line and playing a lesser defense. Cutler did look great, he will be a very good QB I think. I'm just not going to say this game shows us that Cutler is any more ready than Leinart. Cutler will probably light it up again next week vs. Cincy, and San Fran might be tougher in week 17.Leinart gets San Fran and San Diego. The fair comparison may be what each does against SF. I will always maintain the OL makes a QB a lot better or worse than he really is. Especially early in their career.ETA: as a JW owner, I'm loving Cutler's arm. Great pass.

Cutler had all day and Leinart was running for his life. The pass to Walker was quite good, but most of the day his receivers had very good seperation. That's not to knock Cutler for what he did. He played quite well. It's just not a fair comparison between the two QBs abilities.

Thanks. Although this is starting to sound a lot like Ben vs. Eli. 2004 and 2006 will go down as great years for QBs.

 

[malice]

Last time I let the in-laws influence my starting QB for the playoffs...they talked me into starting Leinart over Cutler.

Individual QB skills aside, do you think the absence of Darrent Williams actually made DEN's defense better? He's been picked on a number of times over the last few weeks, and these guys haven't played with this tenacity in well over a month. Granted, it's the Cards, but Fitz was pretty much without a catch until the 4th quarter and Boldin was held in check too. They were still a little soft on Edge, but I think they were willing to give a little there since they knew he wasn't a gamebreaker like LJ/LT.