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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
So what are some opinions on LenDale's long-term value?
My thoughts:
He had a pretty solid 2007 -- 304 carries for 1108 yards (3.64 ypc) and 7 TDs while getting little to no support from the passing game. I didn't see all that much of the Titans this year, but I would imagine that they faced eight men in the box quite a bit. He also caught 20 passes for 114 yards.
Pro
Durability/Workload: logged 300 carries (generally not easy carries, either) and played 16 games. Gotted dinged up and played through it. Should continue to see plenty of work for Tennessee as Fisher loves to pound the ball. Will play some on 3rd down because he isn't afraid to block. The ability to handle 350 NFL touches is there, and shouldn't be under-rated. He should also continue to be a primary weapon in the red zone.
Neutral
Talent: I saw enough of him to notice that he completely lacks the "wow factor" as a runner. He will never be a player that will get you 1800 - 2000 yards because he can't do much in space. He might drag a guy for 2 - 3 yards, but he doesn't make that guy miss and bust it for 30. That said, he is a good between-the-tackles runner. He plays hard, and is a football player. Ask the SS who has tackled him 25 times if he is a soft player. Solid player, but will never be one of the best at his position at any given time throughout his career.
Situation: The Titan's offense is bad, but they run the ball a ton, and do it pretty well (#1 in carries, #3 in rushing yards). There should be room to improve; almost any skill position acquisition will help at this point. I don't see Chris Brown back next year, so LenDale might get an even bigger workload. Vince Young will likely be a TD vulture.
Overall
Fantasy-wise he is a solid/decent RB2 with some room for growth. Relatively low ceiling but low floor also.
My thoughts:
He had a pretty solid 2007 -- 304 carries for 1108 yards (3.64 ypc) and 7 TDs while getting little to no support from the passing game. I didn't see all that much of the Titans this year, but I would imagine that they faced eight men in the box quite a bit. He also caught 20 passes for 114 yards.
Pro
Durability/Workload: logged 300 carries (generally not easy carries, either) and played 16 games. Gotted dinged up and played through it. Should continue to see plenty of work for Tennessee as Fisher loves to pound the ball. Will play some on 3rd down because he isn't afraid to block. The ability to handle 350 NFL touches is there, and shouldn't be under-rated. He should also continue to be a primary weapon in the red zone.
Neutral
Talent: I saw enough of him to notice that he completely lacks the "wow factor" as a runner. He will never be a player that will get you 1800 - 2000 yards because he can't do much in space. He might drag a guy for 2 - 3 yards, but he doesn't make that guy miss and bust it for 30. That said, he is a good between-the-tackles runner. He plays hard, and is a football player. Ask the SS who has tackled him 25 times if he is a soft player. Solid player, but will never be one of the best at his position at any given time throughout his career.
Situation: The Titan's offense is bad, but they run the ball a ton, and do it pretty well (#1 in carries, #3 in rushing yards). There should be room to improve; almost any skill position acquisition will help at this point. I don't see Chris Brown back next year, so LenDale might get an even bigger workload. Vince Young will likely be a TD vulture.
Overall
Fantasy-wise he is a solid/decent RB2 with some room for growth. Relatively low ceiling but low floor also.
zamboni
Footballguy
White performed much better than expected, and Fisher seems to like the powerful grind-it-out backs. He's no Eddie George in that capacity, but seems to fit the offense well.
That said, we haven't seen too much of Chris Henry yet, who seems more explosive, so it wouldn't surprise to see him get an expanded role. And if Lendale falters, Henry could be in line sooner rather than later.
That said, we haven't seen too much of Chris Henry yet, who seems more explosive, so it wouldn't surprise to see him get an expanded role. And if Lendale falters, Henry could be in line sooner rather than later.
footballguy#1
Footballguy
Does Christina Brown go to another team? He is a FA, but seemed to be favored over Henry.
FUBAR
Footballguy
It's going to be RBBC, Henry will have a better average and more receptions. White may have more TDs and rushes. Brown is gone unless he accepts a very low salary. He did nothing to show why he should be kept.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Chris Henry touched the ball only 37 times in 2007. How much of a jump in touches will he really get? How is he in pass pro? White, Brown, and Henry combined for 481 touches in 2007. I don't see Henry getting more than 100 or so of those next year. Granted, I really didn't see Henry play this year, but his collegiate and NFL body of work doesn't seem to spell "hugely increased role" to me. He was a healthy inactive for much of 2007, wasn't he?
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
This thread is cruel. While White has some weight issues, he's nowhere near 1000 lbs.
Banger
Footballguy
clever..
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I'd say that NFL games with the carry totals 25 (x2), 27, 31, 30, 24, and 23 say more about his level of fitness than the fact that he doesn't look like TO with his shirt off, but that's just me.
munchkin
Footballguy
White had a pretty decent game against a Chargers D that had little to worry about in defending the pass. White has shown some improvement over the last few games. I believe there is room for some optimism but as a dynasty owner ( of White) I will be looking for him to improve in training camp and over the first few games of next year to truly feel optimistic about him long term.
Banger
Footballguy
eyeroll unnecessary, you can look for Fisher quotes all over the web on the subject. He didn't get more than 4 ypc in any of those games so despite getting a huge # of carries his top yardage game was 133 vs. the Raiders. He's an accumulator of stats due to the sheer # of carries. He has 0 explosiveness and if I had him in a dynasty league I'd be a bigtime seller off his "1000 yard" season. It may be the last one he ever gets IMO.I'd say that NFL games with the carry totals 25 (x2), 27, 31, 30, 24, and 23 say more about his level of fitness than the fact that he doesn't look like TO with his shirt off, but that's just me.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I agree that he isn't explosive. I agree that he isn't a dynamic Pro Bowl level talent at RB. I disagree that his level of fitness is an obstacle or a negative for him.
I also see no one on the Titans roster that will significantly eat into his role. I think that the Titans have far more urgent needs to adress on the offensive side of the ball and will likely be happy to stick with White for the forseeable future. I'd be shocked if he didn't have at least another 1K season or two in him. Were I the Titans, I might bring in a cheap 3rd down type RB (maybe Mewelde Moore) to handle some of the receiving duties and provide some spark getting 5 carries/game, while focusing on upgrading that junior high level WR corps early in the draft.
LenDale isn't a huge strength for Tennessee, but he isn't a glaring weakness at all, either.
I also see no one on the Titans roster that will significantly eat into his role. I think that the Titans have far more urgent needs to adress on the offensive side of the ball and will likely be happy to stick with White for the forseeable future. I'd be shocked if he didn't have at least another 1K season or two in him. Were I the Titans, I might bring in a cheap 3rd down type RB (maybe Mewelde Moore) to handle some of the receiving duties and provide some spark getting 5 carries/game, while focusing on upgrading that junior high level WR corps early in the draft.
LenDale isn't a huge strength for Tennessee, but he isn't a glaring weakness at all, either.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
So was Eddie George. So was Ricky Williams. Etc. Etc. Why does it matter if he gets 10 carries for 100 yards or 40 carries for 100 yards, so long as he gets 100 yards. I don't know any league that awards YPC points.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't know that C. Henry won't eat into his time next year or they won't bring someone in. They went after Turner bigtime last year and only got out of the race when AJ Smith jacked up the price during the draft.I don't see White being a huge detriment but he's not a real asset either and if they want to improve their offense I think improving the RB position will offer much more bang for the buck than drafting/signing a wr. They have always been and always will be (as long as Fisher is there) a team that plays defense, runs the ball and plays the time of possession game by moving the chains down the field. When drafting, especially in dynasty format, I go for talent and generally will avoid bad players in good situations (White) because they are prime to be replaced over the course of a year or two. All it takes is for C. Henry to have a great camp next year and White is out of a starting job.
Banger
Footballguy
if you're looking to evaluate a player long term it certainly matters. I just don't see White being there long term. I could be wrong but I just don't see it.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I agree here as well. I don't see LenDale as a guy to go out and get right now either. He isn't necessarily a "sell high right now" guy for those of us who have him, either, IMO. Would I rather have a guy who has more upside? Sure, but I ain't getting that guy for LenDale White in too many leagues.I also see LenDale as a solid but unspectacular player as opposed to a bad player. He actually played pretty well this past year, considering the lack of any threat of a passing offense in Tennessee.
Traders2001
Footballguy
I do not see why it s a good season ( 1000yds ) . With a 3.6YPC average it s very ordinary , most Rb in the league ( Most back ups also ) would get 1000yds with 300 carries .
I think he might even lose his starting job if Henry has a good training camp next fall , he is a average NFL Rb at best .
I think he might even lose his starting job if Henry has a good training camp next fall , he is a average NFL Rb at best .
Traders2001
Footballguy
I think it matters, if it takes your RB 33 carries to get 100 yds he wont be a starter in the NFL for a long period . Why do you think they did nt score much this season ? They had no speed either at RB or WR , i personally thinks he becomes a short yardage back as soon as next season.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
So a guy who has a 3.6 ypc despite no credible passing threat to push the opposing safeties away from the line of scrimmage is bad enough that he will be replaced? The guy most likely to be the main challenge for carries in Tennessee(Chris Henry) had fewer carries and yards, and a worse ypc, in his entire college career combined than White had in 2007 alone in the NFL.If the Titans do bring in Michael Turner or draft a rookie in the first round or two come Spring, then LenDale's value is shot, obviously, but I don't see that happening, and I haven't seen anything out of Henry to indicate that he is ready to be more than a 100 touch COP back (at best).
white should be able to average over 4 ypc if/when he gets a QB that can throw for more than 10 TDs in a season and throw the ball more than 8 yards downfield.
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Banger
Footballguy
College is irrelevant at this point. Obviously, Tenn wasn't worried about his college performance otherwise they would have never drafted him, let alone in the 2nd round (the same round as White who had a SUBSTANTIALLY better college career). Consider that T. Henry had a 4.5 ypc in the same offense with slightly better crappy wr's last year. Henry isn't a top talent but despite the lack of a passing attack he performed quite a bit better. They tried to resign him, failed and White got the job by default.
munchkin
Footballguy
Willis McGahee 294 1207 4.1 46 7
LenDale White 303 1110 3.7 28 7
White's stats are pretty comparable to McGhee's and I think we can say McGhee is a more accomplished back at this point in his career. They both playe don teams with poor passing attacks, and I use that term loosely. That is why I am willing to at least give White another year on my dynasty roster. If he doesn't show any improvement through training camp and into early next year then I will have to re-evaluate. If he is supplanted on the roster then that is a different story but I believe he has shown some progress and unless the Titans improve their passing game no RB will do anything in that offense. Even ADP was shut down in games this year when the defenses stacked the line to stop him. The same can be said for Frank Gore. I am not saying LW is either of these players but strictly one dimensional offenses don't work consistently.
LenDale White 303 1110 3.7 28 7
White's stats are pretty comparable to McGhee's and I think we can say McGhee is a more accomplished back at this point in his career. They both playe don teams with poor passing attacks, and I use that term loosely. That is why I am willing to at least give White another year on my dynasty roster. If he doesn't show any improvement through training camp and into early next year then I will have to re-evaluate. If he is supplanted on the roster then that is a different story but I believe he has shown some progress and unless the Titans improve their passing game no RB will do anything in that offense. Even ADP was shut down in games this year when the defenses stacked the line to stop him. The same can be said for Frank Gore. I am not saying LW is either of these players but strictly one dimensional offenses don't work consistently.
Duke1948
Footballguy
thank you
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
I think yardage wise he hit his ceiling, but could improve on his TD numbers over the next couple years.
The big positive about him is that he always falls forward.
The big positive about him is that he always falls forward.
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Do I read this as you want someone other than VY to be his QB?White's value next year is when you get him, if he is pushed up to a 3rd round RB then that will be too high IMO, but if he's your #2 after getting a #1 and two Wrs then he's going to be a nice player.Could always be limited by the lack of supporting cast at Wr to take some pressure off of the running game.But 1200 total yards, 25-30 receptions and 8 TDs would be a fine #2 RB.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Physics grad student?kwantam said:
Duke1948
Footballguy
that's nice. :( that certainly added a lot to the discussion.
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Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
“I’m gonna have to disagree with you on that. Yeah…”munchkin said:
Duke1948
Footballguy
that's fine between brown and henry they had about 150 carries this year, will henry get more next year, maybe but i doubt it.
According to the general public he was a reach, but many reputable sources were hearing scouting depts talking about him as a 2nd/3rd round pick pre-draft. He wasn't really a reach.This message board doesn't like Chris Henry, we all know that, but the Titans did like him and drafted him knowing he was extremely raw. With another offseason under his belt he could surprise next year.
LenDale showed he could carry a load and stay relatively healthy, that counts for something, but he didn't impress much with the carries he was given. He'll start next year, but Henry could get a lot more involved with another offseason of learning.
munchkin
Footballguy
What are you disagreeing with?
Polyethylene Bag
Footballguy
I actually play in a dynasty league that has a quite complex performance-based scoring system. RBs have a fraction of a point subtracted for each carry. The idea being exactly that 100 yards on 10 carries is much better than 100 yards on 40 carries. Under this scoring system, 100 yards on 40 carries would result in negative points (assuming no TDs). Fatdale is essentially worthless in this league.
Polyethylene Bag
Footballguy
QBs have points deducted for each pass attempt and each time they're sacked. Points are actually awarded for receptions but the yardage and TD awards for WRs are lower than RBs. Like I said, quite complex.
