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Lesean McCoy had 11 carries for 49 yards and caught 5 catches for 51 yards

Jerome Harrison had 11 carries for 109 yards and caught 1 pass for 15 yards

Is this just because the game was in Garbage time pretty much from the first quarter on or do you see a real RBBC approach going forward? I'll admit I have my concerns.

 
Um Philly is a full blown RBBC with McCoy/Vick/Harrison. Vick has upgraded the passing game and will kill McCoy's value if he continues to run for TDs. It's the playcalling. When Philly is in the redzone Andy Reid prefers to pass first instead of run - McCoy killer. Why? Because they realize that Vick can improvise and option 2 is for Vick to run it in for a TD.

McCoy owners you should be concerned.

 
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Lesean McCoy had 11 carries for 49 yards and caught 5 catches for 51 yardsJerome Harrison had 11 carries for 109 yards and caught 1 pass for 15 yardsIs this just because the game was in Garbage time pretty much from the first quarter on or do you see a real RBBC approach going forward? I'll admit I have my concerns.
I thought the same thing while watching the game last night. I'm pretty sure McCoy was in there the majority of the time in the first-second, and when Philadelphia started to blow them away, it seemed like they were just seeing what they had in Harrison.I might be wrong, as I don't know the breakdown of when they got their carries, just my impression when watching it last night. Harrison did look good though...
 
Mccoy will still be useful because he can catch the ball, Eagles run more screens than anyone. But the TD's might be harder to come by, especially when the Eagles aren't scoring 80 points in the first quarter.

 
Actually this is completely wrong.

Vick has played 4 Full games this season: 62.6 points

Week 2 - 16 carries 120 yards, 3 TDs, 4 Rec 8 yards.

Week 3 - 11 carries 54 yards, 2 Rec 7 yards.

Week 9 - 16 carries 95 yards, 3 Rec 8 yards.

Week 10 - 11 carries 43 yards, 5 Rec 51 yards, 1 TD.

So in Vicks 4 games McCoy has averaged:

13.5 carries, 3.25 receptions, 96.5 Total Yards and 1 TD a game. That is RB1 numbers.

In Kolbs full games: 53.9 points

Week 4 - 16 carries 64 yards, 12 receptions 110 yards.

Week 5 - 18 carries 92 yards, 1 TD, 5 receptions 46 yards.

Week 6 - 21 carries 64 yards, 4 receptions 21 yards.

Week 7 - 16 carries 48 yards, 6 receptions 54 yards.

in Kolbs 4 games McCoy has averaged:

17.75 carries, 5.75 receptions, 124.75 total yards, and 0.25 TDs a game.

those are still RB1 numbers, more like what Steven Jackson puts up.

McCoy does well no matter who is under center, he just gets more looks with Kolb in, but more room to run when Vick is in, as the teams have a spy focusing on Vick.

 
the redskins weren't exactly playing "defense" in the strictest sense of the word.....

that said, Harrison only had 3 touches in the first half (granted one went for a long TD) while McCoy had 14. I think thats probably an accurate reflection of their roles...

Has Reid ever really done a 2 RB system?

 
Um Philly is a full blown RBBC with McCoy/Vick/Harrison. Vick has upgraded the passing game and will kill McCoy's value if he continues to run for TDs. It's the playcalling. When Philly is in the redzone Andy Reid prefers to pass first instead of run - McCoy killer. Why? Because they realize that Vick can improvise and option 2 is for Vick to run it in for a TD.McCoy owners you should be concerned.
This is complete non-sense, have you watched any Eagles games besides the Monday night game?Harrison has gotten no touches at all except on Monday in a complete blow out. In fact even during the Monday night game McCoy was in for most of the game and all the red zone formations even when the game was pretty much over. Same old reactionary posts, much like the other 50 posts about Vick.To the OP: The only worry I have is if McCoy gets hurt, he's not exactly burly and does seem to take on some big hits. Only concern you should have is grabbing Harrison as a handcuff. Also I see it is as a plus if Harrison gets some touches, should keep McCoy fresher in the long run.
 
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Not concerned. The vast majority of harrison's touches came in the 4th quarter. The McCoy screen pass will continue to be an integral part of this offense.

 
I think the presence of Vick as a hybrid QB/RB hurts McCoy more than the threat of Harrison.

Much more explosive offense, but with more stats going to Vick and their big-play receivers.

 
McCoy is definitely the guy -- but, Harrison looks like one of the best handcuffs in the game. I mean talk about a similar skill set that would enable him to come right in and produce. He is someone I would try and make sure is on my team for the stretch run if I had McCoy.

 
zamboni said:
I think the presence of Vick as a hybrid QB/RB hurts McCoy more than the threat of Harrison.Much more explosive offense, but with more stats going to Vick and their big-play receivers.
Exactly. If it's a goaline situation Vick will run it in. Remember week 9? Andy Reid gave Vick THREE shots to run it in at the 1 yard line. Where was McCoy? McCoy owners are still hanging on to week 2 when he scored 3 rushing TDs. McCoy has only scored ONE rushing TD between weeks 3 - 10. He finally cracked the endzone in week 10 on a shovel pass. McCoy has only scored twice in the last 8 weeks. In non PPR leagues that is a huge let down especially during bye weeks. Mike Tolbert has more fantasy points than McCoy during that span. Keep drinking the coolaid. The stats don't lie. McCoy has only been a low end RB2 ever since Vick took over. He is a high RB2 in ppr leagues.
 
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McCoy had banged up his shoulder and there was no need to leave him in.

I wouldn't be worried about Harrison unless the shoulder turns out to be a bigger issue.

 
zamboni said:
I think the presence of Vick as a hybrid QB/RB hurts McCoy more than the threat of Harrison.Much more explosive offense, but with more stats going to Vick and their big-play receivers.
Exactly. If it's a goaline situation Vick will run it in. Remember week 9? Andy Reid gave Vick THREE shots to run it in at the 1 yard line. Where was McCoy? McCoy owners are still hanging on to week 2 when he scored 3 rushing TDs. McCoy has only scored ONE rushing TD between weeks 3 - 10. He finally cracked the endzone in week 10 on a shovel pass. McCoy has only scored twice in the last 8 weeks. In non PPR leagues that is a huge let down especially during bye weeks. Mike Tolbert has more fantasy points than McCoy during that span. Keep drinking the coolaid. The stats don't lie. McCoy has only been a low end RB2 ever since Vick took over. He is a high RB2 in ppr leagues.
He's RB5 in my main league.
 
zamboni said:
I think the presence of Vick as a hybrid QB/RB hurts McCoy more than the threat of Harrison.Much more explosive offense, but with more stats going to Vick and their big-play receivers.
Exactly. If it's a goaline situation Vick will run it in. Remember week 9? Andy Reid gave Vick THREE shots to run it in at the 1 yard line. Where was McCoy? McCoy owners are still hanging on to week 2 when he scored 3 rushing TDs. McCoy has only scored ONE rushing TD between weeks 3 - 10. He finally cracked the endzone in week 10 on a shovel pass. McCoy has only scored twice in the last 8 weeks. In non PPR leagues that is a huge let down especially during bye weeks. Mike Tolbert has more fantasy points than McCoy during that span. Keep drinking the coolaid. The stats don't lie. McCoy has only been a low end RB2 ever since Vick took over. He is a high RB2 in ppr leagues.
is this guy for real? McCoy has the 7th most RB points in my league. is this an alias for moderated?
 
zamboni said:
I think the presence of Vick as a hybrid QB/RB hurts McCoy more than the threat of Harrison.

Much more explosive offense, but with more stats going to Vick and their big-play receivers.
Exactly. If it's a goaline situation Vick will run it in. Remember week 9? Andy Reid gave Vick THREE shots to run it in at the 1 yard line. Where was McCoy? McCoy owners are still hanging on to week 2 when he scored 3 rushing TDs. McCoy has only scored ONE rushing TD between weeks 3 - 10. He finally cracked the endzone in week 10 on a shovel pass. McCoy has only scored twice in the last 8 weeks. In non PPR leagues that is a huge let down especially during bye weeks. Mike Tolbert has more fantasy points than McCoy during that span. Keep drinking the coolaid. The stats don't lie. McCoy has only been a low end RB2 ever since Vick took over. He is a high RB2 in ppr leagues.
is this guy for real? McCoy has the 7th most RB points in my league. is this an alias for moderated?
Your league must be a ppr league. I just stated that he is a high end RB2 in ppr leagues. But in standard leagues he is just a low end RB2 based on his performance in the last 8 weeks. When a RB only nets you ONE rushing TDs in the last 8 weeks that can only be contributed by the emergence of Vick. I'm not pulling these stats out of no where. Here it is:Week 3 - 10 Vick has 4 total rushing TDs

Week 3 - 10 McCoy has 1 total rushing TD

It's clear that Vick has vultured many rushing TDs from McCoy. Keep drinking the cool aid dude. Stats do not lie.

 
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zamboni said:
I think the presence of Vick as a hybrid QB/RB hurts McCoy more than the threat of Harrison.

Much more explosive offense, but with more stats going to Vick and their big-play receivers.
Exactly. If it's a goaline situation Vick will run it in. Remember week 9? Andy Reid gave Vick THREE shots to run it in at the 1 yard line. Where was McCoy? McCoy owners are still hanging on to week 2 when he scored 3 rushing TDs. McCoy has only scored ONE rushing TD between weeks 3 - 10. He finally cracked the endzone in week 10 on a shovel pass. McCoy has only scored twice in the last 8 weeks. In non PPR leagues that is a huge let down especially during bye weeks. Mike Tolbert has more fantasy points than McCoy during that span. Keep drinking the coolaid. The stats don't lie. McCoy has only been a low end RB2 ever since Vick took over. He is a high RB2 in ppr leagues.
is this guy for real? McCoy has the 7th most RB points in my league. is this an alias for moderated?
Your league must be a ppr league. I just stated that he is a high end RB2 in ppr leagues. But in standard leagues he is just a low end RB2 based on his performance in the last 8 weeks. When a RB only nets you ONE rushing TDs in the last 8 weeks that can only be contributed by the emergence of Vick. I'm not pulling these stats out of no where. Here it is:Week 3 - 10 Vick has 4 total rushing TDs

Week 3 - 10 McCoy has 1 total rushing TD

It's clear that Vick has vultured many rushing TDs from McCoy. Keep drinking the cool aid.
i am not in a PPR league. and it is not a TD only league, which it seems is your only basis here. you've already been proven wrong with your misinformed belief since his yards are consistently high. and i'll keep on riding mccoy to wins.
 
zamboni said:
I think the presence of Vick as a hybrid QB/RB hurts McCoy more than the threat of Harrison.

Much more explosive offense, but with more stats going to Vick and their big-play receivers.
Exactly. If it's a goaline situation Vick will run it in. Remember week 9? Andy Reid gave Vick THREE shots to run it in at the 1 yard line. Where was McCoy? McCoy owners are still hanging on to week 2 when he scored 3 rushing TDs. McCoy has only scored ONE rushing TD between weeks 3 - 10. He finally cracked the endzone in week 10 on a shovel pass. McCoy has only scored twice in the last 8 weeks. In non PPR leagues that is a huge let down especially during bye weeks. Mike Tolbert has more fantasy points than McCoy during that span. Keep drinking the coolaid. The stats don't lie. McCoy has only been a low end RB2 ever since Vick took over. He is a high RB2 in ppr leagues.
is this guy for real? McCoy has the 7th most RB points in my league. is this an alias for moderated?
Your league must be a ppr league. I just stated that he is a high end RB2 in ppr leagues. But in standard leagues he is just a low end RB2 based on his performance in the last 8 weeks. When a RB only nets you ONE rushing TDs in the last 8 weeks that can only be contributed by the emergence of Vick. I'm not pulling these stats out of no where. Here it is:Week 3 - 10 Vick has 4 total rushing TDs

Week 3 - 10 McCoy has 1 total rushing TD

It's clear that Vick has vultured many rushing TDs from McCoy. Keep drinking the cool aid.
i am not in a PPR league. and it is not a TD only league, which it seems is your only basis here. you've already been proven wrong with your misinformed belief since his yards are consistently high. and i'll keep on riding mccoy to wins.
Okay.

 
zamboni said:
I think the presence of Vick as a hybrid QB/RB hurts McCoy more than the threat of Harrison.

Much more explosive offense, but with more stats going to Vick and their big-play receivers.
Exactly. If it's a goaline situation Vick will run it in. Remember week 9? Andy Reid gave Vick THREE shots to run it in at the 1 yard line. Where was McCoy? McCoy owners are still hanging on to week 2 when he scored 3 rushing TDs. McCoy has only scored ONE rushing TD between weeks 3 - 10. He finally cracked the endzone in week 10 on a shovel pass. McCoy has only scored twice in the last 8 weeks. In non PPR leagues that is a huge let down especially during bye weeks. Mike Tolbert has more fantasy points than McCoy during that span. Keep drinking the coolaid. The stats don't lie. McCoy has only been a low end RB2 ever since Vick took over. He is a high RB2 in ppr leagues.
is this guy for real? McCoy has the 7th most RB points in my league. is this an alias for moderated?
Your league must be a ppr league. I just stated that he is a high end RB2 in ppr leagues. But in standard leagues he is just a low end RB2 based on his performance in the last 8 weeks. When a RB only nets you ONE rushing TDs in the last 8 weeks that can only be contributed by the emergence of Vick. I'm not pulling these stats out of no where. Here it is:Week 3 - 10 Vick has 4 total rushing TDs

Week 3 - 10 McCoy has 1 total rushing TD

It's clear that Vick has vultured many rushing TDs from McCoy. Keep drinking the cool aid dude. Stats do not lie.
My league isn't a PPR league and McCoy is #6. Your turn to drink the KOOL aid, which is how it's spelled.
 
steelwind said:
Um Philly is a full blown RBBC with McCoy/Vick/Harrison. Vick has upgraded the passing game and will kill McCoy's value if he continues to run for TDs. It's the playcalling. When Philly is in the redzone Andy Reid prefers to pass first instead of run - McCoy killer. Why? Because they realize that Vick can improvise and option 2 is for Vick to run it in for a TD.McCoy owners you should be concerned.
bushisdaman said:
Lesean McCoy had 11 carries for 49 yards and caught 5 catches for 51 yardsJerome Harrison had 11 carries for 109 yards and caught 1 pass for 15 yardsIs this just because the game was in Garbage time pretty much from the first quarter on or do you see a real RBBC approach going forward? I'll admit I have my concerns.
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I think there is some reason to be concerned, but I dont think McCoy will completely fall off the map. PHI did not have a viable backup/CoP until now that Harrison has finally learned the playbook. Mike Bell was injured and ineffective to start the season, and Weaver has been out for a while. I dont think McCoy will be on the field as much as he had been, but he will still get his 15 touches and is a weekly play regardless of matchup.

 
Harrison only came in because the came was so out of hand. I would not be worried - unfortunately Harrison is rostered by another cb'ing owner in my league but I would pick him up if you own McCoy...

 
I have McCoy in all three leagues.

Primary 14-team keeper league, standard non-PPR RB scoring, Mccoy is the #8 RB and has been a decent RB1 (although he's actually my # 2 RB).

10-team office league, standard PPR RB scoring, Mccoy is the #5 RB and is my # 1 RB. Strong RB1 in PPR.

10-team church league, slightly odd (but close to standard) RB scoring, McCoy is the # 7 RB and is my # 1 RB.

Anyway, I'm not concerned about a timeshare. McCoy does a nice job of producing on a consistent basis. I felt like I was gambling on him this year, but I rolled the dice in all three leagues and have been very pleased with the results so far.

 
Harrison only came in because the came was so out of hand. I would not be worried - unfortunately Harrison is rostered by another cb'ing owner in my league but I would pick him up if you own McCoy...
So why did they keep Vick and DJax in pretty much the entire game then....This just in.....LeSean McCoy-RB-Eagles Nov. 17 - 11:49 am et LeSean McCoy sat out Wednesday's practice with a sprained AC joint in his shoulder.Coach Andy Reid said McCoy "should be OK in next day or so," so it doesn't sound like anything to worry about at this point. It wouldn't be a bad idea, though, for McCoy owners to pick up Jerome Harrison just in case. Source: Les Bowen on Twitter Harrison is a shark move if available...... :mellow:
 
Harrison only came in because the came was so out of hand. I would not be worried - unfortunately Harrison is rostered by another cb'ing owner in my league but I would pick him up if you own McCoy...
So why did they keep Vick and DJax in pretty much the entire game then....This just in.....LeSean McCoy-RB-Eagles Nov. 17 - 11:49 am et LeSean McCoy sat out Wednesday's practice with a sprained AC joint in his shoulder.Coach Andy Reid said McCoy "should be OK in next day or so," so it doesn't sound like anything to worry about at this point. It wouldn't be a bad idea, though, for McCoy owners to pick up Jerome Harrison just in case. Source: Les Bowen on Twitter Harrison is a shark move if available...... :lmao:
by the way this guy played with busted ribs, he will be fine, ac joint its just sore this guy will not miss a game.. thats why they took him out because they wanted to play it safe. if a game was tomm he would be in trust me
 
Um Philly is a full blown RBBC with McCoy/Vick/Harrison. Vick has upgraded the passing game and will kill McCoy's value if he continues to run for TDs. It's the playcalling. When Philly is in the redzone Andy Reid prefers to pass first instead of run - McCoy killer. Why? Because they realize that Vick can improvise and option 2 is for Vick to run it in for a TD.

McCoy owners you should be concerned.
:) :confused:

 
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McCoy: 14 rushes, 111 yards, 5 receptions, 29 yards, 140 total yards, 1 td.Harrison: ?
i dont have him , but for those who do they gotta be thanking their lucky stars..........he was at maybe 20 something rush yards till he busted the big runs late
 
McCoy: 14 rushes, 111 yards, 5 receptions, 29 yards, 140 total yards, 1 td.Harrison: ?
i dont have him , but for those who do they gotta be thanking their lucky stars..........he was at maybe 20 something rush yards till he busted the big runs late
I know I am, I was so nervous in the 4th quarter wwatching him just get nothing, and then he essentially gets the walk off td for my matchup....such a good day. :banned:
 
Thanks for bumping this thread :shrug:

My concerns about Harrison are put to bed. McCoy is a stud. He was on my bench and I played SJax and Foster. Should have played him but most sites including FBG's had Jackson rated higher. This will probably be the case next week as well with McCoy taking on the tough run stopping Bears defense. Still going forward I remain very pleased with my trio of backs. McCoy is :banned:

 
Thanks for bumping this thread :shrug: My concerns about Harrison are put to bed. McCoy is a stud. He was on my bench and I played SJax and Foster. Should have played him but most sites including FBG's had Jackson rated higher. This will probably be the case next week as well with McCoy taking on the tough run stopping Bears defense. Still going forward I remain very pleased with my trio of backs. McCoy is :banned:
As long as you have Harrison as the cuff then no problem.If McCoy is starting he'll always get the touches, and is tuff enough to finish the game. So it's just a plug and play deal between the two.
 
McCoy: 14 rushes, 111 yards, 5 receptions, 29 yards, 140 total yards, 1 td.Harrison: ?
i dont have him , but for those who do they gotta be thanking their lucky stars..........he was at maybe 20 something rush yards till he busted the big runs late
Never understand that stance. That's usually how football works.
it does? how often does a running back who gets pretty much stuffed the whole game..... get 2 carries for 90 yards late in a game on 2 consecutive drives?
 
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McCoy: 14 rushes, 111 yards, 5 receptions, 29 yards, 140 total yards, 1 td.Harrison: ?
i dont have him , but for those who do they gotta be thanking their lucky stars..........he was at maybe 20 something rush yards till he busted the big runs late
Never understand that stance. That's usually how football works.
it does? how often does a running back get 2 carries for 90 yards late in a game on 2 consecutive drives?
So if Chris Johnson didn't make those 50 yard runs for TDs last year, he'd be out of the league.Do you expect 10 yard runs on every touch?Edit: Should also add, the Giants did a great job of containing the Eagles until that play.
 
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McCoy: 14 rushes, 111 yards, 5 receptions, 29 yards, 140 total yards, 1 td.Harrison: ?
i dont have him , but for those who do they gotta be thanking their lucky stars..........he was at maybe 20 something rush yards till he busted the big runs late
Never understand that stance. That's usually how football works.
it does? how often does a running back get 2 carries for 90 yards late in a game on 2 consecutive drives?
So if Chris Johnson didn't make those 50 yard runs for TDs last year, he'd be out of the league.Do you expect 10 yard runs on every touch?Edit: Should also add, the Giants did a great job of containing the Eagles until that play.
think man.........cant you see a difference between a running back who's having a good game and also busting long runs to a running back who's getting stuffed, only getting 5-6 carries up that point and all of a sudden he gets 2 big carries late in the game and salvages a great dayeven the poster who had mccoy agreed with me.........what i said isn't the same as saying "ohh take out every running backs 2 biggest runs of the days and they'd all suck"and just so you got some facts.....CJ had three games where his longest rushes were over 50 yards last year and even if you take those outhis games are as follows, 15 carries-105 yards,23 carries -139 yards, 18-69......still solid gameslike i said if that's football as you say.....find me the last example of a guy who was getting 2-3 yards a carry, busting out 90 yards on 2 runs LATE in the 4th quarter
 
think man.........cant you see a difference between a running back who's having a good game and also busting long runs to a running back who's getting stuffed, only getting 5-6 carries up that point and all of a sudden he gets 2 big carries late in the game and salvages a great dayeven the poster who had mccoy agreed with me.........what i said isn't the same as saying "ohh take out every running backs 2 biggest runs of the days and they'd all suck"and just so you got some facts.....CJ had three games where his longest rushes were over 50 yards last year and even if you take those outhis games are as follows, 15 carries-105 yards,23 carries -139 yards, 18-69......still solid gameslike i said if that's football as you say.....find me the last example of a guy who was getting 2-3 yards a carry, busting out 90 yards on 2 runs LATE in the 4th quarter
Look, my point is plays like this happen, and they did happen, why does it even matter?So why is it against a player that it does. And if you look at McCoys touches this season he's gotten over 20 rushes I think in one game. I've watched a lot of Eagles games this year, and this is usually how he operates, he doesn't gash like Foster does.He usually does get 2 or 3 yards then busts a big one. But you are right, I did take your comment the wrong way, I apologize for that.
 
i thought this thread was about concerns with harrison taking half the carries...that concern is (mostly) eliminated. was there a concern that a good giant defense would hold mccoy in check? of course -- both before and during the game...until he broke the two big runs in q4. these are different questions. mccoy is the guy in philly. but a good d can stop a good rb, and it doesn't matter if it's mccoy, jackson, peterson, etc. even this year's darlings (foster and hillis) were held mostly in check today.

 
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I'd rather have 1-2 runs for 90+ yards combined then several 15+ yarders. It makes me that much happier as a McCoy owner to see that many points go on the board at once. People downplaying him because of how he got his yards and TDs are stupid.

 
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Um Philly is a full blown RBBC with McCoy/Vick/Harrison. Vick has upgraded the passing game and will kill McCoy's value if he continues to run for TDs. It's the playcalling. When Philly is in the redzone Andy Reid prefers to pass first instead of run - McCoy killer. Why? Because they realize that Vick can improvise and option 2 is for Vick to run it in for a TD.

McCoy owners you should be concerned.
:unsure: :D
:D I'm only concerned about my increased odds in cashing checks and snapping necks during the FF playoffs.

 
I'd rather have 1-2 runs for 90+ yards combined then several 15+ yarders. It makes me that much happier as a McCoy owner to see that many points go on the board at once. People downplaying him because of how he got his yards and TDs are stupid.
no one's downplaying anything....of course everyone would rather run twice for 90 yards than 6 rushes for 90 yards....all i was saying is if your player has 8 carries for 21 cards with 5 minutes left in the freaking game....then you turn around and all of a sudden he's at 111 yards and touchdown, you'd go "what just happened?!?!" all i was saying is that if you had mccoy tonight and needed him you were probably not too happy, then went crazy and got to exhale.all that being said after tonight it's obvious harrison is not a worry....the only worry is how many touches he'll get and so far combining the air and the ground, it's been enough.
 
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So is Harrison a must-have handcuff for McCoy owners? Or if McCoy went down would they pretty much abandon the running game altogether?

 

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