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LeSean McCoy vs Matt Forte (1 Viewer)
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
McCoy, barely.McCoy will lose TD's to Weaver. But Forte will lose a lot more touches to Taylor.
HenryWinklerRulez
Footballguy
I'd go Forte, I really don't like what I am seeing in Philly with Korn on the Kolb.
Otis
Footballguy
Both are interesting situations this year, but I have Forte on my short list of "tremendously undervalued" guys going into this season. I don't think much of Chester Taylor -- I see him as a journeyman backup in this league and nothing more. Forte was a monster his rookie season, and people forgot that very quickly. In a Martz scheme, and with Forte now healthy, and being a very good receiving back (63 and 57 catches in each pre-Martz season), I think he will surprise. His YPC has never been stellar, and his carries and yards suffered last year. His TD totals were also down as a result. But the reports from camp are that he's got his burst back and he's healthy, and if Martz can open things up underneath with a real passing attack (i.e., Knox), Forte could be closer to his rookie totals than his totals of last season.
Otis
Footballguy
wut
Insein
Footballguy
Shady McCoy. Thats his nickname. Legit too since he had it at Pitt.
B. Nugget
Footballguy
Last night McCoy went at 3.11, Beanie went at 3.12 and I took Forte as my RB2 at 5.07.McCoy is creeping up in PPR leagues, so I'll happily take Forte in the 5th as he is drastically under-rated right now.
HenryWinklerRulez
Footballguy
Ya it's hard to compare the 2, McSuck is going 2 rounds higher than Forte Nation so therefore Forte Nation is the pick.
shnikies
Footballguy
I'm not sure what "a lot more" is but Forte will not lose a significant amount of touches to Taylor. I was excited about Taylor when the Bears signed him but he's been a little underwhelming while Forte has been a surprise, looking like he did in 2008.
Id also add the Forte was VERY banged up last year and played at less than 70% (from what he said). He not only had a bad knee but had hamstring problems and other ailments that he did not complain about and played through. That is why he didnt have the "burst" people are talking about.
The biggest thing I am concerned about with respect to Taylor is the fact that he is an extremely good blocker and with the Bears O-line woes, I could see him be put in in alot more passing downs, thus limiting Fortes touches. I still see Taylor as the 3rd down back and shouldnt take that many carries away from him....the positive there is that it should keep Forte fresh. He had WAY too many touches over the last 2 yrs as the Bears had no reliable RB2 to help spell him.
The biggest thing I am concerned about with respect to Taylor is the fact that he is an extremely good blocker and with the Bears O-line woes, I could see him be put in in alot more passing downs, thus limiting Fortes touches. I still see Taylor as the 3rd down back and shouldnt take that many carries away from him....the positive there is that it should keep Forte fresh. He had WAY too many touches over the last 2 yrs as the Bears had no reliable RB2 to help spell him.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
Forte all day long. Love him at his ADP this year.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
It's a push as far as production. I can see the case for either one outscoring the other.
But Forte is going for RB3 prices while you have to pay RB2 prices for McCoy.
If that trend holds, you get to take a best talent availale guy for a round or two before taking Forte.
But Forte is going for RB3 prices while you have to pay RB2 prices for McCoy.
If that trend holds, you get to take a best talent availale guy for a round or two before taking Forte.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Stop.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Interesting insight, and I agree for the most part. I disagree about Chester Taylor, though, and so, apparently, do the Bears given that they paid him north of 12 mil for 4 years, 7 guaranteed. Taylor is the kind of back who can produce, and brings a similar skill set in catching balls out of hte backfield. If for any reason Forte can't get it going consistently, I actually see Taylor as the kind of back who can take up his role immediately and start getting the bulk of the carries.In Martz's offense, a premium is placed on the QB getting rid of the ball quickly. I didn't watch a whole lot of Forte in his rookie season -- would love to know if he's the kind of back who excels at dumps and flares and adept in space and at making up YAC. If so, there is reason to believe that Forte is undervalued. But given Taylor, I think his margin for error is still really slim.
shnikies
Footballguy
That was before Forte came into camp healthy. If they could go back in time they never would have spent that money on Taylor. They'll give the ball to whomever gives them the best chance to win and I think Forte is clearly the guy right now.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
Based on what? Fluff articles about how Forte looks like he did as a rookie, when he averaged less than 4 a carry?
shnikies
Footballguy
Based on how he's running. Fluff articles? Forte must have a really good PR guy.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
What, did the Bears not think Forte would heal? They brought Taylor in because he brings a similar skill set to the scheme, and they needed another proven RB that they could trust to tote the rock as opposed to Khalil Bell, Garrett Wolfe and Brandon Minor. I also disagree that Forte is clearly the guy right now -- the 89 yard preseason TD was a nice confidence booster, but I don't think his stats this preseason mean that Taylor is not going to get meaningful time on the field. This is what may limit Forte's upside this year.
Hope I'm wrong, as he fell to me in the 4th round of a 14-team league -- I do think he's undervalued, but hoping he can break through the ceiling I perceive him to have and get back to his rookie form.
shnikies
Footballguy
I don't think the Bears had enough confidence in him returning to the form is he in now to not sign a running back as insurance, a running back with a very similar skill set that can be interchangeable with Forte. There have been plenty of running backs who have had early success then plagued by a reoccurring injury and the Bears may have seen that with Forte. I'm not basing anything off of preseason stats or long runs but on how he looks physically. His cutting compared to last year is like night and day. I could have eaten a sandwich during direction changes, it took him several mini steps to cut. Now everything is crisp. He's never been a quick guy so that improvement is important for his success. Taylor looked unimpressive in the days I saw him in Bourbonnais. He's also turning 31. Not to mention, to the best of my knowledge, Martz offenses have a featured back. He doesn't like to switch up for the sake of timing and the running back is a critical part of the passing game.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Great reply, thanks.
But I'll use your own words -- "They'll give the ball to whomever gives them the best chance to win."Martz's system may have a single featured back, given that it sends 5 receivers out in formation, but I don't think this notion carries to the system employing a singular back in that role (unless that back is Offensive Player of the Year, 3 years consecutively like Faulk).
The Bears have two backs with interchangeable skill sets to choose from. How they can consistently operate in space, get a handle on passes, and most importantly, pick up their blocking assignments, is going to determine the most who gets the carries.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
You see him running? All 12 times? He has 122 yards, 89 of which came on a busted run. Not a bad for him to not be run down. But nothing special. Not really a great PR guy. No better than James Hardy, Matt Leinart, Antonio Bryant and just about the rest of the NFL, really.
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shnikies
Footballguy
I spent four days in Bourbonnais watching him and the fact you looked up preseason stats is sad. Preseason stats? Really?
shnikies
Footballguy
Great reply, thanks. 
But I'll use your own words -- "They'll give the ball to whomever gives them the best chance to win."
Martz's system may have a single featured back, given that it sends 5 receivers out in formation, but I don't think this notion carries to the system employing a singular back in that role (unless that back is Offensive Player of the Year, 3 years consecutively like Faulk).
The Bears have two backs with interchangeable skill sets to choose from. How they can consistently operate in space, get a handle on passes, and most importantly, pick up their blocking assignments, is going to determine the most who gets the carries.
I understand Forte is not Marshall Faulk but don't forget about Kevin Jones in 2006. He had 181 rushes and 61 receptions in 12 games or 241 carries and 81 receptions had he played all 16 games which is eerily similar to the amount Faulk touched the ball each year in St. Louis.
But I'll use your own words -- "They'll give the ball to whomever gives them the best chance to win."
Martz's system may have a single featured back, given that it sends 5 receivers out in formation, but I don't think this notion carries to the system employing a singular back in that role (unless that back is Offensive Player of the Year, 3 years consecutively like Faulk).
The Bears have two backs with interchangeable skill sets to choose from. How they can consistently operate in space, get a handle on passes, and most importantly, pick up their blocking assignments, is going to determine the most who gets the carries.
I understand Forte is not Marshall Faulk but don't forget about Kevin Jones in 2006. He had 181 rushes and 61 receptions in 12 games or 241 carries and 81 receptions had he played all 16 games which is eerily similar to the amount Faulk touched the ball each year in St. Louis.
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