Lesean Mccoy (1 Viewer)

[kd1]

one guy who seems to be getting absolutely no talk or hype. don't understand why. little to no competition for carries in philly, 2nd year in league, should catch a good amount of dumpoffs, potentially explosive offense. i know the iggles have looked bad in the preseason, but he wasnt getting much love beforehand either when everybody was drinking the kolb/maclin/jackson/celek koolaid.

what am i missing on this guy? was looking on the recently posted rb rankings thread, and he didnt even make some people's list.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

There's fear that he's going to get pulled in short yardage and goalline situations. There's fear he can't block, which may hamper him somewhat on 3rd down situations. And there's fear his QB, and therefore his offense, may blow.

I think McCoy's got crazy upside, and has a very real chance of finishing in or near the top 10. But among guys for whom that's true, he has more question marks and a greater chance of seeing himself buried in RBBC hell than just about any other.

 

[Franknbeans]

just an observation but he seems rather average at most everything. I mean, he has an opportunity but I don't really think he is all that special.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

one guy who seems to be getting absolutely no talk or hype. don't understand why. little to no competition for carries in philly, 2nd year in league, should catch a good amount of dumpoffs, potentially explosive offense. i know the iggles have looked bad in the preseason, but he wasnt getting much love beforehand either when everybody was drinking the kolb/maclin/jackson/celek koolaid.what am i missing on this guy? was looking on the recently posted rb rankings thread, and he didnt even make some people's list.

Everything you mentioned is situational, and that's pretty much the reason no one is mentioning him. The only good things people can come up with for him are situation. Most who watched him play last year saw a very average player. An average player can have can have his usefulness in the fantasy realm, but he's not going to be a guy you hear people drooling over a lot.

 

[joffer]

just an observation but he seems rather average at most everything. I mean, he has an opportunity but I don't really think he is all that special.

pretty much agree with this. i'd say above average, but not exceptional.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I for one think that McCoy is excellent value in re-draft ppr league.

he will probably lose goal line carries to Mike Bell or a FB.

Most dyansty players dont think he is ultra-talented and can be easily replaced.

For this season though based on opportunity and certain scoring system I feel he is a good candidate for a RB2 on your team and can be had cheap

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Horrible measurables coming out of school, plus an average to poor first year in the pros running the ball. One or the other is easy to overlook. Together, they scare people off. Just seems like he's not very talented.

 

[Garts]

Wasn't he a TD machine and an excellent goalline runner at PITT??

 

[Lehigh98]

he will probably lose goal line carries to Mike Bell or a FB.

... or Vick

 

[Multiple Scores]

Wasn't he a TD machine and an excellent goalline runner at PITT??

Yes he was, that was college as you pointed out. What Holy Sch points out about the measurable carries a lot of weight though, transition from college to the pros and McCoy doesn't pass the test, matter of fact I don't believe if I recall correctly that anyone in the history of the NFL has been a success at being a feature RB with the measurables that McCoy posted.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Wasn't he a TD machine and an excellent goalline runner at PITT??

A lot of players were a lot of things in college. McCoy had a lot of long runs in college for example while carrying a pretty solid rushing average, and Ron Dayne still holds NCAA records.

 

[Exit 1]

I think people need to pay less attention to McCoy the player and more attention to the RB, in this case McCoy, getting the majority of the touches in Andy Reid's potent offense. McCoy doesn't need to be Chris Johnson here to put up solid RB2 numbers. He's in a good situation and he'll be productive.

 

[Hear-the-Footsteps]

Discussed here as well

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I think people need to pay less attention to McCoy the player and more attention to the RB, in this case McCoy, getting the majority of the touches in Andy Reid's potent offense. McCoy doesn't need to be Chris Johnson here to put up solid RB2 numbers. He's in a good situation and he'll be productive.

I'm coming around to that way of thinking, but it's still hard to get excited about him, and I'd still avoid him in any kind of dynasty league.I was actually thinking Charles Scott might be a threat to him, but that obviously doesn't seem to be materializing.

 

[Garts]

I think people need to pay less attention to McCoy the player and more attention to the RB, in this case McCoy, getting the majority of the touches in Andy Reid's potent offense. McCoy doesn't need to be Chris Johnson here to put up solid RB2 numbers. He's in a good situation and he'll be productive.

that's what I was thinking.If expectations aren't sky high, then he will meet expectations I would imagine.

 

[Dez]

oops

 

[daveR]

oops

For sure. I traded him away for Gore last year (PPR keeper league) & I wish I had him back!

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

oops

good thread guys, I have to agree with the majority here and say since hes not an elite talent hes scary in dynasty. I think hes a good sell high, but, I also think selling high on him could bite you in the butt for the next few years if the eagles stick with him...we shall see

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think the Knowshon Moreno thread is going to look like this one next year.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think the Knowshon Moreno thread is going to look like this one next year.

really? why?

 

[radiohead417]

78 catches last year - I think he's a perfect fit for Philly's offense, and his skill set is underrated, especially for PPR.

He's also 22 (23 by the start of the season).

I'd deal him for Chris Johnson or Ray Rice in dynasty, but not for anybody else.

 

[HitNRun]

All I know is he was a top 3 RB in PPR format last year and I see no reason for this year to be any different........well, maybe the lockout.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think the Knowshon Moreno thread is going to look like this one next year.

really? why?

Because I think the talk about Moreno being just a complimentary back and/or having to majorly share time with a newcomer is bunk. He's a good back that plays for a coach that loves to run the ball. Plus their o-line should be improved this year.

 

[eakfootball]

There's fear that he's going to get pulled in short yardage and goalline situations. There's fear he can't block, which may hamper him somewhat on 3rd down situations. And there's fear his QB, and therefore his offense, may blow.I think McCoy's got crazy upside, and has a very real chance of finishing in or near the top 10. But among guys for whom that's true, he has more question marks and a greater chance of seeing himself buried in RBBC hell than just about any other.

He was the #2 or 3 back last year in ppr, your making it sound like a guy who is being picked in the 3rd or 4th round. In most drafts I have seen this year he has gone in the 3 to 6 range, so a borderline top 10 finish would likely be a dissapointment. This is coming from a McCoy owner and I'm not sure there are 3 backs I would rather have in dynasty ppr. In redraft I put im 5th behind Peterson, Foster, CJ, and Charles.

 

[eakfootball]

I think people need to pay less attention to McCoy the player and more attention to the RB, in this case McCoy, getting the majority of the touches in Andy Reid's potent offense. McCoy doesn't need to be Chris Johnson here to put up solid RB2 numbers. He's in a good situation and he'll be productive.

I'm coming around to that way of thinking, but it's still hard to get excited about him, and I'd still avoid him in any kind of dynasty league.I was actually thinking Charles Scott might be a threat to him, but that obviously doesn't seem to be materializing.

Charles Scott isn't in the league.

 

[Go deep]

I think people need to pay less attention to McCoy the player and more attention to the RB, in this case McCoy, getting the majority of the touches in Andy Reid's potent offense. McCoy doesn't need to be Chris Johnson here to put up solid RB2 numbers. He's in a good situation and he'll be productive.

I'm coming around to that way of thinking, but it's still hard to get excited about him, and I'd still avoid him in any kind of dynasty league.I was actually thinking Charles Scott might be a threat to him, but that obviously doesn't seem to be materializing.

Charles Scott isn't in the league.

Check the date of the thread. this is why i dont like it when people bump old posts.This one seems appropriate though considering it gives you an idea of the potential value of Spiller, Best and Mathews after not so great rookie years. People LOVE to give up on players early, and play the hindsight game like "I never understood the Spiller/Chris Johnson comparisons"? Im not insinuating Spiller will be anywhere near as good as CJ, just i cant stand it when people analyze with hindsight. I cant wait to bump some of the Spiller, Mathews, Best threads. Alot of hate going on in there based on one season.

 

[Sultans]

I think people need to pay less attention to McCoy the player and more attention to the RB, in this case McCoy, getting the majority of the touches in Andy Reid's potent offense. McCoy doesn't need to be Chris Johnson here to put up solid RB2 numbers. He's in a good situation and he'll be productive.

I'm coming around to that way of thinking, but it's still hard to get excited about him, and I'd still avoid him in any kind of dynasty league.I was actually thinking Charles Scott might be a threat to him, but that obviously doesn't seem to be materializing.

Charles Scott isn't in the league.

Check the date of the thread. this is why i dont like it when people bump old posts.This one seems appropriate though considering it gives you an idea of the potential value of Spiller, Best and Mathews after not so great rookie years. People LOVE to give up on players early, and play the hindsight game like "I never understood the Spiller/Chris Johnson comparisons"? Im not insinuating Spiller will be anywhere near as good as CJ, just i cant stand it when people analyze with hindsight. I cant wait to bump some of the Spiller, Mathews, Best threads. Alot of hate going on in there based on one season.

This is how leagues are won. I for one will be targeting all 3 of these players in all drafts.

 

[Go deep]

I think people need to pay less attention to McCoy the player and more attention to the RB, in this case McCoy, getting the majority of the touches in Andy Reid's potent offense. McCoy doesn't need to be Chris Johnson here to put up solid RB2 numbers. He's in a good situation and he'll be productive.

I'm coming around to that way of thinking, but it's still hard to get excited about him, and I'd still avoid him in any kind of dynasty league.I was actually thinking Charles Scott might be a threat to him, but that obviously doesn't seem to be materializing.

Charles Scott isn't in the league.

Check the date of the thread. this is why i dont like it when people bump old posts.This one seems appropriate though considering it gives you an idea of the potential value of Spiller, Best and Mathews after not so great rookie years. People LOVE to give up on players early, and play the hindsight game like "I never understood the Spiller/Chris Johnson comparisons"? Im not insinuating Spiller will be anywhere near as good as CJ, just i cant stand it when people analyze with hindsight. I cant wait to bump some of the Spiller, Mathews, Best threads. Alot of hate going on in there based on one season.

This is how leagues are won. I for one will be targeting all 3 of these players in all drafts.

I dont mean to brag....who am i kidding, of course i do. I drafted Ray Rice in the 6th and 7th round in two of my home PPR keeper leagues after his rookie season. I got Mccoy in one of those last year as my 3rd RB(dont remember the round), and Mcfadden in the 10th round in the other. Its possible Best, Spiller and Mathews all end up as busts, but ill bet a mid round picks that they dont. Mathews could go as high as the 3rd or 4th, but the other two will be available in the 5th, 6th, or later, and they are more like Charles, Mcfadden, Mccoy, Rice, etc. Players undervalued because of size, lack of goalline touches, etc, aka "3rd down backs". ETA, i would take this team in a PPR dynasty, keeper or redraft.1st Calvin Johnson2nd Larry Fitzgerald3rd Ryan Mathews4th Phllip Rivers/Jermichael Finley5th Peyton Manning/Vernon Davis6th Jahvid Best7th CJ Spiller8th BA WROf course you could take another top 20 WR with the 3rd or 4th and wait on a QB until the 8th/9th round. Matt Ryan, Matt Schaub, Eli Manning etc. Or you could wait on TE and get a guy like Jimmy Graham, Gronk, etc later....you get the idea.

 

[KellysHeroes]

man, he was amazing value last yr

 

[SieteCinco]

That is how leagues are won. Its all about finding those diamonds in the rough! Draft sure thing studs in rounds 1-3, then find the guys in rounds 4-10 who will be drafted in rounds 1-3 the following year. (Last year - McCoy, Foster, Nicks, TB Williams, Wallace, etc, etc) Who's next years? Matthews, Spiller, Best/LeShoure, Moreno, Ford, Stafford... things will get interesting once the lock out is over.

I agree with Knowshon comment. People are down on him because of his injuries and the talk about him being no more than a third down back. He looked good to me last year, when healthy, and if they don't bring anybody else in this offseason, his situation should be even better.

 

[moderated]

That is how leagues are won. Its all about finding those diamonds in the rough! Draft sure thing studs in rounds 1-3, then find the guys in rounds 4-10 who will be drafted in rounds 1-3 the following year..

If it were only so easy.

 

[Tchula]

I've seen him projected as a late first round pick this year. That isn't underrated at all.

 

[griff321]

You guys do know that not everyone plays in a PPR league, and that's where you'll see people not so hot on Shady at his current ADP.

The real problem is Andy Reid not running the damn ball on a consistent basis.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Was just offered Romo, Hillis, and a 2nd for McCoy, and shut it down, even though my best QB, after some trades, is Ryan Fitzpatrick. Just can't do it. Love McCoy.

 

[eakfootball]

I've seen him projected as a late first round pick this year. That isn't underrated at all.

Its an old thread, I made the same mistake.

 

[Hear-the-Footsteps]

man, he was amazing value last yr

And he was going right in the range of guys that had much more competition. Yet people seemed down on him due to not having an "incredible" rookie year, guys not liking what they saw in him, not impressed, etc.See here

Every year there is that "not obvious tier" - ie, the RBs that go in rounds 3-6. Not the "flyer" guys. They are the guys that have a shot or some talent. They generally go in the RB range of 13-20. And figuring out this group is KEY!!! Can make or break a season. It was McCoy in that group among Felix, Ronnie, etc last year; and it was Rice the year before that.

 

[fruity pebbles]

man, he was amazing value last yr

And he was going right in the range of guys that had much more competition. Yet people seemed down on him due to not having an "incredible" rookie year, guys not liking what they saw in him, not impressed, etc.See here

Every year there is that "not obvious tier" - ie, the RBs that go in rounds 3-6. Not the "flyer" guys. They are the guys that have a shot or some talent. They generally go in the RB range of 13-20. And figuring out this group is KEY!!! Can make or break a season. It was McCoy in that group among Felix, Ronnie, etc last year; and it was Rice the year before that.

I was one of those guys. Wasn't impressed with him at all in 2009 and couldn't have made a more 180 degree turn on how i felt about him after watching most of his games in 2010. He made huges strides in his game between the two years. He runs more like an NFL back now. Short area quickness and decent power for a back his size. Perfect system and a lot more talented than people still give him credit for.

 

[griff321]

I've seen him projected as a late first round pick this year. That isn't underrated at all.

Its an old thread, I made the same mistake.

Yup MFL has his ADP at 5 and he's going as high as 1st, so if you want him then you're going to have to pay. I'd still draft him there in PPR leagues, but not in non-ppr. I blame Andy Reid for not giving a guy that has a 5.2ypc avg. more then 207 carries, but that line did have some problems last year despite the stats. In this instance I believe the stats are misleading and that O-line isn't very good. What can we expect for O-line play this year Philly homers?Or is it that Reid doesn't feel that McCoy is built to handle 20+ carries a game? He had more then 20 carries in one game and carry number 21 went for 0 yards. After that Eldra Buckley came in and finished out the game.Just a few more question marks then I'd like for a guy I'd have to take top 4 overall in non-ppr. If he falls to the second then he's a great value, but I just do not see that happening in any league that I play in.