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And yet, even with Vick I'm not 100% convinced. Vick will vulture TDs and yardage from McCoy. In a PPR league, I'd feel much more comfortable obviously because a significant portion of McCoy's value is tied to his receptions. I think of him more as a low-end #1 headed into next year. It's not top-5 in my book, but still pretty good overall.
As a non-McCoy dynasty owner i must say: are you CRAZY? There is exactly 1 running backs in the NFL i would rather have over McCoy in a dynasty and his name is Adrian. The rest are either washes or inferior, including Chris Johnson (at least in a dynasty). An argument can be made for Ray Rice also. But I really think it is #1 ADP and #2 McCoy, CJ, Rice, Foster. I am very angry at myself for not taking the time to check this kid out in the preseason. I didn't have a chance to watch any preseason this year and had to go by what i read on players i hadn't seen play before, McCoy was one. Most places undersold this guy so much. After the draft the first game i saw him play sold me on him. I've been trying to trade for him since and have made at least 15 different offers to the McCoy owner. In the end he wanted Calvin who i was not willing to part with for McCoy. In Dynasty or keeper leagues I rate WRs higher than RBs, especially 25 year old uber studs like Calvin. Either way, he is a favorite RB of mine and i'm not even an eagle fan.
number two???? he was top 4 rb in ppr so I think thats viable Number 1 status bud esp for a 22 year old..... wouldn't ya say... he is avg over 100 yards from scrimmage and 5 plus catches.... he fits westcoast system perfectly ... he has 250 points in 12 games that equals to 20.8 so I dont know what scoring system you are using but he is a solid number 1 imo... do sharks agree???
Ha ha. Have you been playing for long?You have to love the overreactions here: McCoy over CJ? I am a big McCoy believer, but that is just silly. CJ is coming off of a 2,000+ yard season. CJ's value is not tied to an explosive offense, the way McCoy's is. CJ is much more proven. CJ is the better football player. While I do think McCoy is legit, right now, he is nothing more than a one-year-wonder. If you are going to invest in a 1 year wonder, you might want to invest in the guy on pace to have a better season than AP has ever had (Point wise): Arian Foster. And why do you value WRs over RBs? I have heard the argument: "Look at the top 10 WR's for the last 5 years, they are much more constant. " All fine and dandy. Now look at your league winners the last 5 years, more often than not, they have the advantage at RB. WRs and QBs will keep you floating, but RBs win championships - there are just so few that can get you 13+ points every week. Obviously, starting requirements can change this, but even in PPR, you need top RBs.plyka said:
Not biased at all. I think he has moved ahead of Ray Rice, if not, it's really close. But I do think you need to add MJD to that list. I think AP, CJ, MJD, AF, and Charles are the only players a tier above him.I worry about him getting Goaline carries, if and when the Eagles offense slows down. Like other posters have said, Vick adds a lot of value to him, and Vick is not the most stable QB to rely on. Vick is either going to be missing time, or playing through a lot of pain during the duration of his career.eakfootball said:
I've seen McCoy since his sophomore year in HS, and he's always been underestimated. When he was initially ticketed to go to U of Miami, they said Graig Cooper would be the better incoming RB. Right. Then at Pitt they said he'd have to wait his turn behind Stevens-Howling. Sure. Then in the '09 draft players like Chris Wells and Donald Brown were drafted before him. How's that working out for AZ and Indy? I can see him having a nice long career in the NFL being one of the top 8 RB each year, ala Ricky Watters, who went to the same high school.
I think you have to have McCoy above Charles and Foster just based on franchise and coaching stability alone. The Eagles are a very solidly run outfit from top to bottom and boast the best set of young weapons in the NFL. They are going to score tons of points and rack up tons of yards for the next few season for sure. I'd say JohnsonAdrianMcCoyCharlesFostereakfootball said:
The Eagles are scoring as much as one can logically expect them to moving forward, and Foster's production has been much better than McCoy's. Even if the Eagles kept this up, after teams have a year to think about stopping Michael Vick - which is doubtfull, asuming he even stays healthy - McCoy won't match what Foster has done this season. On the flip side, the Houston offense has been struggling, Johnson and Daniels have been hurt, Schaub has been hindered too and had a slow start, and Foster is STILL doing what he is doing.What argument can be made for McCoy over Foster right now? Franchise and coaching stability seems faulty to me. McCoy's is ideal right now, and is more likely to drop than rise. One small change, and he falls back to earth. I wouldn't say the same about Foster. Oh, and MJD says hi: since week 6, only Peyton Hillis and Arian Foster have scored more per game. Last season, he was RB3. He has a longer track record than anyone you list above him, he is scoring points in a below average situation, his talent can't be questioned, his style/build/tread suggest a long career ahead of him, and he gets redzone touches, something that Charles does not on a regular basis, and McCoy might not, once Vick is gone or injured, as he is not a pile mover and Reid likes to pass, no matter how close they are to the endzone.
McCoy would look great in Indy. That was a sure miss for them.As for AZ, they made the right call, assuming they felt comfortable with Beanie's health. What do you think McCoy would be doing in AZ? - not what he is doing now.
I loved the "especially in dynasty" when he said he liked McCoy over Chris Johnson. Good call. Chris Johnson is ancient.Point is.....FF is full of overreaction. Everyone was proclaiming Jahvid Best a top 5 RB after his huge game earlier in the year. McCoy is a lot like Best, in that I don't trust him to consistently put up RB1 numbers in rushing. His value is in PPR. If that continues I see him as a low end RB1, high upside RB2, but he'll never be a true Top 3 guy IMO. He gets nicked up easily and, as someone already posted, he loses a lot of TD opportunities to Vick and the rest of the supporting cast.
Why would you take him over Foster? Foster is equaling McCoy's production out of the backfield, and surpassing it on the ground. Foster is only 24 years old. Why over CJ? CJ is having a down year, but he is more proven, and just as capable of having a big year - CJ's big years are historic, not just great in any given season. CJ puts up points without the benefit of the weapons and offense that Philly has, which can change in a blink.
He would only have to done have half of what he's done in Philly to be an improvement over Beanie. Beanie's lack of production isn't just due to his injuries; his head coach, who watches him everyday, clearly lacks confidence in him.
That is pure speculation. The same coaching staff had plenty of faith in him towards the end of last season. Then he had knee surgery and hasn't been the same.
Righhht... Cause he clearly lacked confidence in him last year... Beanie out played McCoy last year cause he had a QB who knew how to throw... That entire AZ offense had suffered incl Fitz who is a top 3 sunday wideout.Take your blinders off
Actually, their touches and yardage were quite close last year, with Beanie getting a few more TDs, but if that qualifies as "outplayed" in your book, so be it. And each had to share time, McCoy with Westbrook and Wells with Hightower. This year McCoy doesn't have to share time, but Wells still does. But it must be the blinders I'm wearing.
McCoy was replaced, and outproduced, by a fullback for stretches of the year. He looked bad at times. Yes, he was outplayed by Wells, who scored more fantasy points, and looked better while doing it.
This board needs a "moving the goalposts" emoticon.
What McCoy and Wells were you exactly watching last year? It's a pretty universal fact who was the better back last year. If you think they were comparable then you are in the minority as everyone saw a top talent in Wells hand many owners the championship down the stretch as he pushed Hightower aside. He looked pretty damn impressive with the eye test as well something your man-crush did not. Again if you dont think Wells injury and Warner departure doesnt have anything to do with this then you have not played FF very long. Beanie Wells is the more talented RB and the way this year has played out is not enough for me to hop on the mccoy hype train since vick has played
I don't want to question such a seasoned, experienced granddaddy of fantasy football such as yourself, but in dynasty i look more for young legs than proven past. CJ is being run into the ground, and in dynasty i would rather have McCoy, especially in PPR where CJ hasn't caught a pass in his life. CJ has caught 20 something passes for 100 yards this season compared to Lesean at 60 something for 500+ yards. Plus, I'm not sure what leagues you play in, but the leagues I play in don't really reward us for last year's performance this year. We are talking about future value. Not to mention that in my original post i said "the rest are either a wash or inferior" meaning that CJ is either equal to Lesean in dynasty or inferior.Regarding your WR vs RB argument, the reason you said is "fine and dandy" is actually the reason why i view stud WRs as higher value than stud RBs. Just cause you say something is "fine and dandy" doesn't magically disprove the reasoning. Truly stud WRs tend to mature later and last far longer at stud level than RBs. This is pure fact. In a long term league like a dynasty/keeper, this is all the reason i need. A guy like Calvin will be a stud for 8 more years barring injury. A guy like Chris Johnson, being run into the ground, may last another 2-4 if he is lucky.Not to mention that stud RBs are easier to find for me on the WW. This is the funniest line of your's of course: "Now look at your league winners the last 5 years, more often than not, they have the advantage at RB." That's the thing about league winners, they tend to have advantages everywhere on their roster. Yes, believe it or not the league winners usually have advantages at WRs as well.
Why'd you respond as though my post was absolutely ridiculous? I'm not seeing where you and I are that far apart on the guy. I said he's a quality #2 for "any" fantasy team. Just to clarify when I say that, I'm talking top 10-13 RB. I'm not saying I have him in the 18-23 neighborhood. You think he's a solid #1 (roughly #4-#8 overall). That doesn't put us light year's apart. Look, I just think that there's a gap between McCoy and the true "sled-dog" RB's in the league (eg - MJD, CJ, AP, etc). I see McCoy in the tier of the still very quality RB's with a check mark or two against them. For McCoy specifically, I think his rushing attempts put a ceiling on him in non-ppr with the supply of weapons Philly has on offense. That's all.
