Lets Discuss Charlie Whitehurst (1 Viewer)

[bjlmonster]

Does Whitehurst have a real shot at being an effective starter down the road for the Hawks or was he just a Pete Carroll smoke screen? He seems to have the physical tools, but has he mentally grown and learned enough from Norv and Rivers to actually be productive when Hass goes down or is not re-signed next year?

Also, how does he rank up there with the rookie QB's as he most likely was not rostered in most dynasty leagues. I picked him up cheap in blind bid FA in one league and drafted him mid 3rd in another. Below is rookie draft of QB's in the league I drafted in. I took Whitehurst at 3.05 as both 3.06 and 3.07 are short on QB's and I exected either of them to take him.

2.01 - Bradford

2.03 - Clausen (A bit high I think, but Moore is his 2nd QB, so it makes sense)

3.05 - Whitehurst

3.06 - Tebow

3.07 - McCoy (Hass is his #2 QB)

 

[Donsmith753]

Does Whitehurst have a real shot at being an effective starter down the road for the Hawks or was he just a Pete Carroll smoke screen? He seems to have the physical tools, but has he mentally grown and learned enough from Norv and Rivers to actually be productive when Hass goes down or is not re-signed next year? Also, how does he rank up there with the rookie QB's as he most likely was not rostered in most dynasty leagues. I picked him up cheap in blind bid FA in one league and drafted him mid 3rd in another. Below is rookie draft of QB's in the league I drafted in. I took Whitehurst at 3.05 as both 3.06 and 3.07 are short on QB's and I exected either of them to take him.2.01 - Bradford2.03 - Clausen (A bit high I think, but Moore is his 2nd QB, so it makes sense)3.05 - Whitehurst3.06 - Tebow3.07 - McCoy (Hass is his #2 QB)

Just for comparisons sake here's how QB's went in my rookie draft, 12 team, ppr, qb heavy.1.04 Bradford1.12 Clausen2.05 Tebow2.07 McCoy2.11 Whitehurst (I took him here, I had 2.11, 2.12 and 3.01 so don't know what to make of his "ranking")I fully expect him to start some games towards the end of the year and take over next year, maybe I'm optimistic though.

 

[WayzUpUSC]

I saw a lot of his games in college & I think he's somewhat limited physically compared to a lot of other QB's. That's not to say he couldn't possibly have become better over the years sitting, learning and growing on SD's bench so I'm taking the wait-and-see approach in my dynasty league - as in, I'm going to wait and see if I like what I see this coming pre-season. He definitely has the mental makeup as he won a lot of games for Clemson that they probably wouldn't have otherwise won but I only have so many roster spots on my dynasty team & to take one up on a guy I haven't seen play in the NFL at all is too much of a reach for me at this point.

We're salary though so i can't offer much in the way of draft position for rookie/FA drafts - sorry.

 

[Drink G2]

12th Bradford

13th Clausen

17th Tebow

19th McCoy

20th Whitehurst

Those are overalls, it's a 16 team league, and is QB happy. I didn't take any of the above, but would of taken Whitehurst somewhere near Clausen.

 

[Faust]

Great question.

I would tend to place him behind Bradford and right now also behind (but not by much) Clausen. If you are a big believer in Tebow, then draft Tebow ahead of Whitehurst also.

I would place Whitehurst ahead of Colt McCoy.

 

[H.K.]

He definitely has the mental makeup as he won a lot of games for Clemson that they probably wouldn't have otherwise won

He sucked after his first full year as a starter and never lived up to the expectations he set with his early successs. He was a mediocre player on a mediocre team.

2002: Redshirt Freshman Year

Record: 7-6 (3-2 in games that he started)

123/214 57% 1554 yards 10 touchdowns 6 interceptions 128.3 QB rating

2003: Redshirt Sophomore Year

Record: 9-4

288/465 62% 3561 yards 23 touchdowns 13 interceptions 135.6 QB rating

2004: Redshirt Junior Year

Record: 6-5

177/349 51% 2067 yards 7 touchdowns 17 interceptions 97.3 QB rating

2005: Redshirt Senior Year

Record: 8-4

227/338 67% 2474 yards 11 touchdowns 10 interceptions 133.5 QB rating

Career Record: 26-15

 

[bjlmonster]

If you are a big believer in Tebow, then draft Tebow ahead of Whitehurst also.

I agree with this. Reason I took Whitehurst over Tebow is the wait factor. I think with Whitehurst, we could know early this year. Tebow, we could wait 2-3 years before determining boom or bust. Tebow might have a higher ceiling, but whitehurst will be much cheaper roster space time wise if he flops.

 

[Riffraff]

14 teams, QBs aren't drafted aggressively.

Our rookie/free agent drafted QBs went as such:

1.08 Bradford, Sam STL QB ®

2.01 McCoy, Colt CLE QB ®

2.04 Whitehurst, Charlie SEA QB

2.05 Tebow, Tim DEN QB ®

2.09 Clausen, Jimmy CAR QB ®

3.13 Leftwich, Byron PIT QB

4.03 Skelton, John ARI QB ®

4.04 Brown, Levi BUF QB ®

4.05 Brown, Jarrett SFO QB (R

4.07 LeFevour, Dan CHI QB ®

4.10 Pike, Tony CAR QB ®

4.11 Wallace, Seneca CLE QB

5.01 Smith, Troy BAL QB

5.10 Dixon, Dennis PIT QB

5.12 Rosenfels, Sage MIN QB

6.04 Brohm, Brian BUF QB

6.09 Feeley, A.J. STL QB

6.12 Thigpen, Tyler MIA QB

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I wrote an article on Whitehurst's outlook back in early April. Cliff's Notes version: I'm not bullish on his future.

 

[WayzUpUSC]

He definitely has the mental makeup as he won a lot of games for Clemson that they probably wouldn't have otherwise won

He sucked after his first full year as a starter and never lived up to the expectations he set with his early successs. He was a mediocre player on a mediocre team.

2002: Redshirt Freshman Year

Record: 7-6 (3-2 in games that he started)

123/214 57% 1554 yards 10 touchdowns 6 interceptions 128.3 QB rating

2003: Redshirt Sophomore Year

Record: 9-4

288/465 62% 3561 yards 23 touchdowns 13 interceptions 135.6 QB rating

2004: Redshirt Junior Year

Record: 6-5

177/349 51% 2067 yards 7 touchdowns 17 interceptions 97.3 QB rating

2005: Redshirt Senior Year

Record: 8-4

227/338 67% 2474 yards 11 touchdowns 10 interceptions 133.5 QB rating

Career Record: 26-15

And how many of those games did you see? I personally saw quite a few and I'm here to tell you Whitehurst is just one of those QB's whos stats don't tell the story. Tommy Bowden's ineptitude and a horrible offensive line that led the ACC in sacks allowed in 2004 played a huge role in many a Clemson player's disappointing stats that year and most of 2005 as well. That fact cannot be argued - and that career record by an average QB in that same situation probably would have been 15-26. Even as it is, half of those 15 career losses were by 6 points or less. And how many other mediocre quarterbacks hold over 40 school records? Clemson may have been a mediocre team when he was there but they would have sucked out loud if it wasn't for Whitehurst.

The guy was drafted in the 3rd round for a reason. He was traded for by Seattle and given a pretty generous contact for a reason. That reason isn't because he was so mediocre that those teams just couldn't resist.

 

[Chachi]

Whitehurl blows.

 

[H.K.]

I personally saw quite a few and I'm here to tell you Whitehurst is just one of those QB's whos stats don't tell the story.

Going 4-0 vs. USC doesn't tell the whole story, either.

Tommy Bowden's ineptitude and a horrible offensive line that led the ACC in sacks allowed in 2004 played a huge role in many a Clemson player's disappointing stats that year and most of 2005 as well.

I am the last person you need to tell how bad Bowden and his program were.

That fact cannot be argued - and that career record by an average QB in that same situation probably would have been 15-26. Even as it is, half of those 15 career losses were by 6 points or less. And how many other mediocre quarterbacks hold over 40 school records? Clemson may have been a mediocre team when he was there but they would have sucked out loud if it wasn't for Whitehurst.

Like going 12-26 with no TD’s and two INT’s, one of which was directly responsible for Duke's game winning drive in 2005? They lost 16-13 to a 2-9 Blue Devil team. You think his Junior season helped the team win, here are his statsne game with more TD’s then INT’s

seven games with more INT’s then TD’s, (including game six win with a rushing TD).

two games with equal TD/INT ratio.

five games with no TD’s.

This is his Senior year:

Five games with more TD’s then INT’s

Four games with more INT’s then TD’s

Five games with no TD’s

Two games with equal ratio

The guy was drafted in the 3rd round for a reason. He was traded for by Seattle and given a pretty generous contact for a reason. That reason isn't because he was so mediocre that those teams just couldn't resist.

Bad draft picks and bad trades happen for a reason, too.But don't take my word for it, or his damning stats, just read his scouting report, which has these little gems:

Makes poor decisions with the ball, as he eyes his primary target too long and then tries to thread the needle and force passes, even when his receiver is covered … Needs to do a better of locating his secondary receivers … … Ball security is a big issue, as he runs with the ball too exposed, resulting in 24 fumbles over the last three years … Further medical evaluation might be needed on his surgically-repaired right shoulder (operated on Dec. 1, 2005).

....He has been highly productive prior to his junior year, but he struggled throwing the deep ball in 2004 and made numerous questionable decisions that resulted in a career-high 17 interceptions. He improved somewhat in 2005, as he reduced his interceptions to ten, but he managed only eleven touchdown passes in his final season.

In 2005, it was hoped that Whitehurst would wait for defenders to clear and show more patience rather than hurry his throws like he did in the past, but ten interceptions and five fumbles did prove costly. Whitehurst needs to display better ball security than he did the last two years, when he fumbled nine times in 2004 and had five more as a senior. He does try to force the ball some when protection breaks down.