Lets Talk About Draft Strategy For The #8 Spot (1 Viewer)

[RalphMouth]

RB has to be taken NO MATTER WHAT in the first round

but after that ?????????

if I take a top 2-4 WR in the second round then I'm most likely going to be stuck with an A Peterson, Ahman Green, McAllister type #2 back

but this allows me to get a Houshmandezeh or J Walker type WR in the second round waiting till the 4th round for the #2 back.

if I take my #2 back (R Brown, Benson, MJD, E James) in the second round then I'll be getting Housh or J Walker as my #1 WR in the 3rd round

and then get Lee Evans or Andre Johnson as #2 WR in the 4th round.

I'm not sure what to do but either way I plan on having three RB's and three WR's at the end of 6 rounds. The 7th is when I grab my QB-

 

[Mystery Achiever]

if I take a top 2-4 WR in the second round then I'm most likely going to be stuck with an A Peterson, Ahman Green, McAllister type #2 back

i think you'll have a good shot at benson or t.jones in round 3

 

[TheWick]

What is scoring system and lineup format?

 

[Chaka]

RB has to be taken NO MATTER WHAT in the first round

This is your first mistake.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

What is scoring system and lineup format?

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[TheWick]

What is scoring system and lineup format?

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its not already?

 

[Mystery Achiever]

What is scoring system and lineup format?

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its not already?

may border on it, but there's one thread per slot that people share strategy in; i think eighth is the last - or at least one of the last - to be started; see Master Index pinned above. I did the Index thread ast year and didn't include any threads that were person-specific.

 

[Shrek]

I drafted #8 last night in a 12 team league. I will post the results later, along with my pre-draft strategy, the way the draft shook out, and adjustments made during the draft. When I do I will not be asking for a "Rate My Draft" or anything- I just want to share my thoughts and results from drafting in that spot.

ETA: The Master threaad at the top of the page deosn't have a #8 slot. It's the only one that doesn't.

 

[RalphMouth]

I drafted #8 last night in a 12 team league. I will post the results later, along with my pre-draft strategy, the way the draft shook out, and adjustments made during the draft. When I do I will not be asking for a "Rate My Draft" or anything- I just want to share my thoughts and results from drafting in that spot.ETA: The Master threaad at the top of the page deosn't have a #8 slot. It's the only one that doesn't.

I'm looking forward to seeing how you did and the strategy behind it-I draft in one week and need all the help I can get. Since there wasn't a #8 Strategy Thread I thought this would be a great time to start one.

 

[j3r3m3y]

What is scoring system and lineup format?

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its not already?

This year all people have to do is add the word "strategy" and their "who do I draft?" post gets to stay here.

I can't wait until the regular season starts and we see:

"Let's talk starting line-up strategy"

 

[RalphMouth]

What is scoring system and lineup format?

--- that will make this an acf question ----

its not already?

This year all people have to do is add the word "strategy" and their "who do I draft?" post gets to stay here.

I can't wait until the regular season starts and we see:

"Let's talk starting line-up strategy"

who made you board cop ?I'm just trying to figure out what various strategic ideas are out there for the 8th draft slot-

 

[robb]

Where will you be posting your draft results N Y Shreks? On this thread or a new one?

I draft from the 8th spot today also-so this interests me!

 

[ctdub]

I drafted from the 8th yesterday. PPR 6 pt td's. 1/2/2/1/1/1 1 superflex.

I took Alexander at 1.8, Ronnie Brown at 2.5 (Benson, McGahee, Maroney were all gone) thought about Chad Johnson there and coming back with another RB in the 3rd. 3.8 Was Fitzgerald (took him over Roy Williams...Portis didn't go until 4.2), at 4.5 took All Day Peterson and was happy to get him!! Calvin Johnson at 6.5 as my #2 WR and Kitna at 5.8. 2 Rookies in the first 6 rounds is a stretch, but could pay of huge if they have the type of year I think they will.

QB's Kitna(5.8), Cutler(7.8), T. Jackson (15.8). RB's Alexander(1.8), Brown (2.5), Peterson (4.5), Washington (13.8). WR's Fitzgerald (3.8), Calvin (6.5), Cotchery (8.5), Muhammed (11.8), Henderson (10.5). TE's Eric Johnson (14.5), Owen Daniels (16.5). K Vinatiery (9.8)...I had what I needed so i figured I'd take a solid dome kicker early. Defense Vikings (12.5)

 

[TheWick]

1/1/2/1/1/1 and 2 flex

1 PPR for WR/TE

0.5 PPR for RB

My first 10 were

Willie Parker

Antonio Gates

Lee Evans

Plaxico

Tatum Bell

Jamal Lewis

Greg Jennings

Julius Jones

Phillip Rivers

Jax D

I went in thinking 1 RB and 4 strong Receivers would be a good squad in this format. But lost my nerve and went back to basics and looking to be the best at positions. I would very much like to start over but all in all from the 8 spot, draft dominator thinks I did a good job...for whatever that is worth. I could have had Reggie Wayne or Ronnie Brown @ 2.05, but for some reason went Gates. Still not sure what I was thinking. Live and learn

I was planning on getting Tatum Bell and Kevin Jones with the belief which ever one was playing would be a Top 15 RB. KJ got taken just before my pick in the 8th round.

 

[RalphMouth]

1/1/2/1/1/1 and 2 flex1 PPR for WR/TE0.5 PPR for RBMy first 10 wereWillie ParkerAntonio GatesLee EvansPlaxicoTatum BellJamal LewisGreg JenningsJulius JonesPhillip RiversJax DI went in thinking 1 RB and 4 strong Receivers would be a good squad in this format. But lost my nerve and went back to basics and looking to be the best at positions. I would very much like to start over but all in all from the 8 spot, draft dominator thinks I did a good job...for whatever that is worth. I could have had Reggie Wayne or Ronnie Brown @ 2.05, but for some reason went Gates. Still not sure what I was thinking. Live and learn I was planning on getting Tatum Bell and Kevin Jones with the belief which ever one was playing would be a Top 15 RB. KJ got taken just before my pick in the 8th round.

Gates in the second round ? never have seen that till now. You probably could have had him in the 3rd.

 

[robb]

Surprise!!

12 team internet (slow) draft and at 1.08 I took Larry Johnson.

I think this is great value, now, just sign a damn contract and get into camp!!

 

[TheWick]

1/1/2/1/1/1 and 2 flex1 PPR for WR/TE0.5 PPR for RBMy first 10 wereWillie ParkerAntonio GatesLee EvansPlaxicoTatum BellJamal LewisGreg JenningsJulius JonesPhillip RiversJax DI went in thinking 1 RB and 4 strong Receivers would be a good squad in this format. But lost my nerve and went back to basics and looking to be the best at positions. I would very much like to start over but all in all from the 8 spot, draft dominator thinks I did a good job...for whatever that is worth. I could have had Reggie Wayne or Ronnie Brown @ 2.05, but for some reason went Gates. Still not sure what I was thinking. Live and learn I was planning on getting Tatum Bell and Kevin Jones with the belief which ever one was playing would be a Top 15 RB. KJ got taken just before my pick in the 8th round.

Gates in the second round ? never have seen that till now. You probably could have had him in the 3rd.

He might have made it back to me...not sure. Like I said I'd like to do it over again. Give me Reggie Wayne, and I'd have Willie, Reggie Wayne, Lee Evans, Plax...I'd be much happier. I froze. Lesson learned.Looking at a couple of other Phenoms leagues with the same format looks like he usually goes between 2.11 and 3.05

 

[NoDigg41]

I think we FBGs expect our real drafts to be similar to the mocks we've been doing. It's just not the case. Every league has atleast one, and sometimes, (as in my case), 2 or 3 just boneheaded owners!

Drafting from the 8th slot in a 12 team standard serpentine draft, here are my picks. The first four just seem too good to be true! But again, it only takes 1 or 2 boneheaded picks to make it happen!

1.8 Fast Willie Parker, (and this is a diehard Steeler League) 1-7 was, LT, SJax, LJ, Alexander, Gore, Addai, Manning. Edgerrin James went 1.9, not kidding!

2.4 Portis, (almost took Steve Smith, but know it's a RB heavy league. 22 of first 24 picks were RBs. Manning 1.7, Brady 2.11)

3.8 Steve Smith, (I almost felt bad, could not believe it myself!)

4.4 Roy Williams, (I swear I'm not joking!)

5.8 Norwood

6.4 Betts, (almost took Calvin Johnson, but needed to insure Portis Pick, and already had 2 studs!)

7.8 Michael Turner, (too early I know, but wanted to screw LT owner, and had a solid core to gamble with this pick IMO)

8.4 Hasselbeck, (QBs were becoming scarce)

9.8 Cotchery

10.4 E.Manning, (great upside and solid backup QB for 10th round)

11.8 Jags D/ST, (league also rewards D/STs heavily)

12.4 Hackett, (huge ADP/VBD steal here!)

13.8 Leonard, (probably just a preseason d!ck tease, but can't go wrong with upside in round 13)

14.4 WR Chris Henry, (could be killer in playoffs!)

15.8 Marcus Pollard, (kinda screwed at TE, but solid elsewhere, plus I have plenty of trade bait and careless owners who didn't backup their 1st round RBs!)

16.4 Mare

Some random draft observations.

Our token Chick took Manning 1st, Benson 2nd, Fitz 3rd (over Smith, TO and Wayne)

Dude who took Edge 1.9 took TJ Housh ahead of TO and Wayne in 3rd. Bears in round 5.

Division Doormat took Cadillac ahead of MJD, T.Jones, and every WR, Brees mid round 3, Ravens 5th, Chambers 7th, Rackers 8th.

Another jabronie took Tatum Bell in 4th ahead of Deuce & MB3, Gonzo round 5, Pats D/ST round 6

You just never know, be prepared for anything!

 

[RalphMouth]

I think we FBGs expect our real drafts to be similar to the mocks we've been doing. It's just not the case. Every league has atleast one, and sometimes, (as in my case), 2 or 3 just boneheaded owners!Drafting from the 8th slot in a 12 team standard serpentine draft, here are my picks. The first four just seem too good to be true! But again, it only takes 1 or 2 boneheaded picks to make it happen!1.8 Fast Willie Parker, (and this is a diehard Steeler League) 1-7 was, LT, SJax, LJ, Alexander, Gore, Addai, Manning. Edgerrin James went 1.9, not kidding!2.4 Portis, (almost took Steve Smith, but know it's a RB heavy league. 22 of first 24 picks were RBs. Manning 1.7, Brady 2.11)3.8 Steve Smith, (I almost felt bad, could not believe it myself!)4.4 Roy Williams, (I swear I'm not joking!)5.8 Norwood6.4 Betts, (almost took Calvin Johnson, but needed to insure Portis Pick, and already had 2 studs!)7.8 Michael Turner, (too early I know, but wanted to screw LT owner, and had a solid core to gamble with this pick IMO)8.4 Hasselbeck, (QBs were becoming scarce)9.8 Cotchery10.4 E.Manning, (great upside and solid backup QB for 10th round)11.8 Jags D/ST, (league also rewards D/STs heavily)12.4 Hackett, (huge ADP/VBD steal here!)13.8 Leonard, (probably just a preseason d!ck tease, but can't go wrong with upside in round 13)14.4 WR Chris Henry, (could be killer in playoffs!)15.8 Marcus Pollard, (kinda screwed at TE, but solid elsewhere, plus I have plenty of trade bait and careless owners who didn't backup their 1st round RBs!)16.4 MareSome random draft observations. Our token Chick took Manning 1st, Benson 2nd, Fitz 3rd (over Smith, TO and Wayne)Dude who took Edge 1.9 took TJ Housh ahead of TO and Wayne in 3rd. Bears in round 5.Division Doormat took Cadillac ahead of MJD, T.Jones, and every WR, Brees mid round 3, Ravens 5th, Chambers 7th, Rackers 8th.Another jabronie took Tatum Bell in 4th ahead of Deuce & MB3, Gonzo round 5, Pats D/ST round 6You just never know, be prepared for anything!

Great draft through round 12. Thought you may have got a bit 'too cute' the last 4 rounds. You look like you were trying to over guess players & situations reaching for a few players that you could of had in the last round. Better do something different at TE. Is Watson, Daniels or Heath available?

 

[Shrek]

What is scoring system and lineup format?

--- that will make this an acf question ----

its not already?

This year all people have to do is add the word "strategy" and their "who do I draft?" post gets to stay here.

I can't wait until the regular season starts and we see:

"Let's talk starting line-up strategy"

First year, huh? People talking about draft strategies is not ACF material. At least it hasn't been for the last 7 years, so I doubt it will change now. If you have something constructive, why don't you share it?

 

[Shrek]

Where will you be posting your draft results N Y Shreks? On this thread or a new one?I draft from the 8th spot today also-so this interests me!

I promise to get to this later this afternoon or early this evening. Whether it will be helpful or not is hard to say, but at least it can give you some insight into what I was planning to do and what I actually had to do on the fly. Right now I have to go to work, though, and I won't be back until later. Have to say my draft ended up with 2 of the same guys as TheWick and none of the same guys as NoDigg.Talk to you later this afternoon.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I think we FBGs expect our real drafts to be similar to the mocks we've been doing. It's just not the case. Every league has atleast one, and sometimes, (as in my case), 2 or 3 just boneheaded owners!

This is a good point. I wouldn't put it ALL on the other owners, though. I think some of it is that some favorites develop on the board and there can be some groupthink that the other owners aren't part of, asssuming it is not a league of board members. The league I'm 8th in has favorable QB scoring and I absolutely cleaned up on RBs last year (8th slot then also coincidentally) while everyone was grabbing QBs. Best thing to do is not assume too much how it will go and just go where the value is. If you're in a heavy FBG league, though, like Phenoms, things will be more predicatble, but you stilll never know....

 

[JaxJokers]

I think we FBGs expect our real drafts to be similar to the mocks we've been doing. It's just not the case. Every league has atleast one, and sometimes, (as in my case), 2 or 3 just boneheaded owners!Drafting from the 8th slot in a 12 team standard serpentine draft, here are my picks. The first four just seem too good to be true! But again, it only takes 1 or 2 boneheaded picks to make it happen!1.8 Fast Willie Parker, (and this is a diehard Steeler League) 1-7 was, LT, SJax, LJ, Alexander, Gore, Addai, Manning. Edgerrin James went 1.9, not kidding!2.4 Portis, (almost took Steve Smith, but know it's a RB heavy league. 22 of first 24 picks were RBs. Manning 1.7, Brady 2.11)3.8 Steve Smith, (I almost felt bad, could not believe it myself!)4.4 Roy Williams, (I swear I'm not joking!)5.8 Norwood6.4 Betts, (almost took Calvin Johnson, but needed to insure Portis Pick, and already had 2 studs!)7.8 Michael Turner, (too early I know, but wanted to screw LT owner, and had a solid core to gamble with this pick IMO)8.4 Hasselbeck, (QBs were becoming scarce)9.8 Cotchery10.4 E.Manning, (great upside and solid backup QB for 10th round)11.8 Jags D/ST, (league also rewards D/STs heavily)12.4 Hackett, (huge ADP/VBD steal here!)13.8 Leonard, (probably just a preseason d!ck tease, but can't go wrong with upside in round 13)14.4 WR Chris Henry, (could be killer in playoffs!)15.8 Marcus Pollard, (kinda screwed at TE, but solid elsewhere, plus I have plenty of trade bait and careless owners who didn't backup their 1st round RBs!)16.4 MareSome random draft observations. Our token Chick took Manning 1st, Benson 2nd, Fitz 3rd (over Smith, TO and Wayne)Dude who took Edge 1.9 took TJ Housh ahead of TO and Wayne in 3rd. Bears in round 5.Division Doormat took Cadillac ahead of MJD, T.Jones, and every WR, Brees mid round 3, Ravens 5th, Chambers 7th, Rackers 8th.Another jabronie took Tatum Bell in 4th ahead of Deuce & MB3, Gonzo round 5, Pats D/ST round 6You just never know, be prepared for anything!

Well, we had our draft last Thursday night, and I had the #8 slot. 12 teams, normal scoring + PPR, QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/K/D starting lineups. My draft:1.08 Reggie Bush2.05 Steve Smith3.08 Terrell Owens4.05 Clinton Portis5.08 Laverneus Coles6.05 Thomas Jones7.08 Kellen Winslow8.05 Ben Roethlesberger9.08 Jerious Norwood10.05 Brett Favre11.08 Jerry Porter12.05 Brandon Jackson13.08 Seattle Defense14.05 Steve McNair15.08 Kevin Jones16.05 Joe Horn17.08 Rob Bironas18.05 Buffalo DefenseI knew going in, that if Travis Henry wasn't there at 2.05, I was going RB/WR/WR the first 3 rounds. I ended up alright, I have some ??'s at RB. If Portis and Jones ends up being healthy, I'll be happy.

 

[TheWick]

I think we FBGs expect our real drafts to be similar to the mocks we've been doing. It's just not the case. Every league has atleast one, and sometimes, (as in my case), 2 or 3 just boneheaded owners!

Drafting from the 8th slot in a 12 team standard serpentine draft, here are my picks. The first four just seem too good to be true! But again, it only takes 1 or 2 boneheaded picks to make it happen!

1.8 Fast Willie Parker, (and this is a diehard Steeler League) 1-7 was, LT, SJax, LJ, Alexander, Gore, Addai, Manning. Edgerrin James went 1.9, not kidding!

2.4 Portis, (almost took Steve Smith, but know it's a RB heavy league. 22 of first 24 picks were RBs. Manning 1.7, Brady 2.11)

3.8 Steve Smith, (I almost felt bad, could not believe it myself!)

4.4 Roy Williams, (I swear I'm not joking!)

5.8 Norwood

6.4 Betts, (almost took Calvin Johnson, but needed to insure Portis Pick, and already had 2 studs!)

7.8 Michael Turner, (too early I know, but wanted to screw LT owner, and had a solid core to gamble with this pick IMO)

8.4 Hasselbeck, (QBs were becoming scarce)

9.8 Cotchery

10.4 E.Manning, (great upside and solid backup QB for 10th round)

11.8 Jags D/ST, (league also rewards D/STs heavily)

12.4 Hackett, (huge ADP/VBD steal here!)

13.8 Leonard, (probably just a preseason d!ck tease, but can't go wrong with upside in round 13)

14.4 WR Chris Henry, (could be killer in playoffs!)

15.8 Marcus Pollard, (kinda screwed at TE, but solid elsewhere, plus I have plenty of trade bait and careless owners who didn't backup their 1st round RBs!)

16.4 Mare

Some random draft observations.

Our token Chick took Manning 1st, Benson 2nd, Fitz 3rd (over Smith, TO and Wayne)

Dude who took Edge 1.9 took TJ Housh ahead of TO and Wayne in 3rd. Bears in round 5.

Division Doormat took Cadillac ahead of MJD, T.Jones, and every WR, Brees mid round 3, Ravens 5th, Chambers 7th, Rackers 8th.

Another jabronie took Tatum Bell in 4th ahead of Deuce & MB3, Gonzo round 5, Pats D/ST round 6

You just never know, be prepared for anything!

Well, we had our draft last Thursday night, and I had the #8 slot. 12 teams, normal scoring + PPR, QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/K/D starting lineups. My draft:1.08 Reggie Bush

2.05 Steve Smith

3.08 Terrell Owens

4.05 Clinton Portis

5.08 Laverneus Coles

6.05 Thomas Jones

7.08 Kellen Winslow

8.05 Ben Roethlesberger

9.08 Jerious Norwood

10.05 Brett Favre

11.08 Jerry Porter

12.05 Brandon Jackson

13.08 Seattle Defense

14.05 Steve McNair

15.08 Kevin Jones

16.05 Joe Horn

17.08 Rob Bironas

18.05 Buffalo Defense

I knew going in, that if Travis Henry wasn't there at 2.05, I was going RB/WR/WR the first 3 rounds. I ended up alright, I have some ??'s at RB. If Portis and Jones ends up being healthy, I'll be happy.

That is alot later than I have been seeing these guys go. Nice draft

 

[ooofffaaa]

12 team league - standard scoring + .5 pts per reception.

Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex (RB or WR), 1 TE. 1 K, 1 D

Here are my first few rounds drafting from the #8 spot . . .

1.08 Shaun Alexander

2.05 Steve Smith

3.08 Brandon Jacobs

4.05 Deuce McAllister

5.08 Hines Ward

6.05 Jon Kitna

7.08 Vernon Davis

8.05 Joey Galloway

 

[zoonation]

My draft so far:

1. Reggie Bush

2. TO

3. Houshy

4. Driver

5. Lynch

6. MBIII

7. Cochery

8. thinking about Bell or Cochery (qb tds only 4 points...lots left including hass, roth, leinart and those types.

a few gups in this league

edit to add: start 3 receivers, ppr

 

[Shrek]

Sorry to get back to this so late, but I just got back from a 15 hour workday.

I'll break this into separate posts for each round. I know, some people will think this is too much, but I think it will make for easier reading.

First off, here is our league scoring system.

1 PPR

1 pt per 10 yds rush/recv, 2 pts per 10 yds rush/recv after 150 yds

1 pt per 25 yds passing, 2 pts per 25 yds passing after 300 yds

6 pts per TD for QB pass, RB rush, WR or TE recv, any D/ST TD

12 pts per TD for QB rush/recv, RB pass/recv, WR rush/pass, TE rush/pass

-2 for turnovers

3 pt per FG under 40 yds, 5 for 40-50 yd FG's, 10 for 50 yd+ FG's

DEF/ST 5 pts for saftey, 1 pt per sack, 1 pt per 20 yds of kick or punt return yds

Start QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/K/DEF

14 rounds to draft/12 teams

Drafting from the #8 spot, I wanted to do what most people would want to do. RB/RB in the first two rounds and let the draft come to me. I was in for a bit of a surprise, but I think I adjusted well.

My target was to get one of the following: Gore/Parker/Addai/Henry. I am not high on MJD this year so he was out. I was figuring all of the big names would be gone, and that most people would have the RB/RB strategy, with the possible exception of those near the turn.

1.1 Tomlinson

1.2 Jackson

1.3 Gore (I thought it was a bit of a reach, but it's not outrageous. There goes one of my choices)

1.4 Westbrook

1.5 Addai (There goes #2)

1.6 Parker (#3 )

1.7 Rudi Johnson

So here I have Larry Johnson staring me in the face at #8. I know he isn't signed yet, but I have to believe that KC will have him for the regular season. No way that they let him sit. I find LJ at #8 too much value to pass up. I have to take him. Everyone knows he has a legit chance to be a top 3 RB at the end of the year. So I snatch him up and target Henry/Bush/Alexander/Maroney with my next pick.

1.8 Larry Johnson

1.9 Maroney (so much for that)

1.10 Alexander

1.11 Henry

At this point I have Bush as my desired next pick, and then a fairly big dropoff into my second tier of RB's. I guess I'll see what's available to me after the turn.

1.12 Steve Smith

 

[Shrek]

2.1 Reggie Wayne (So the #12 spot goes WR/WR. No big surprise here, we've all seen this before.)

2.2 McGahee

2.3 Bush (Crap, so now I either look at my second tier of RB's or consider another option)

2.4 Jacobs (Wow, I can't believe he went this early)

So I look over my sheet and see that I can go with a RB in the range of Ronnie Brown (who I'm not all that high on), Portis (not high at all on him), or MJD (I already told you what I thought of him), or Edge. Ugh. Or, I can take the guy who VBD tells me should actually have been the #4 overall pick. But do I want a QB this early? Not really. Then again, I can't stand the thought of passing on Manning to take a second rate RB that I don't have a lot of faith in, letting the top half get their second RB's, then watching one of them snatch up Manning too. So I decide to take my chances, figuring there isn't much risk in betting that Manning wil be the #1 QB this year.

2.5 Peyton Manning

2.6 Thomas Jones

2.7 Edge

2.8 Barber III (wow)

2.9 MJD

2.10 Benson

2.11 Owens

2.12 Chad Johnson

So I am sitting with LJ and Peyton Manning after 2 rounds. Not bad, but obviously I need my next RB.

 

[Shrek]

3.1 Harrison (This guy now has LT, CJ, and Harrison. Dang that looks nice)

3.2 Roy Williams

3.3 Holt

3.4 Fitzgerald

3.5 Palmer (A little early IMO)

3.6 Lee Evans (also early IMO, but who's complaining?)

3.7 Boldin

Now I have a HUGE decision to make. The next player on my VBD sheet is Gates. He's actually at #14 overall for me. But if I pass on a RB now, what will happen in the turn? I look at 9, 10, and 11. They already have 2 RB's each, so I gamble that they won't be taking a RB with their 3rd or 4th round picks. I am worried about 12 though. Then again, 12 is a well-known non-conservative drafter, so who knows? I have never gone into the 4th round with only one RB before, but I think for a minute and say to myself "You could have the #1 QB, a top 3 RB, and the #1 TE, not to mention that you would have three of the top fourteen picks on your VBD." So I jump.

3.8 Antonio Gates I actually feel solid about this as I sit down.

3.9 Branch

3.10 Brady

3.11 Bulger

3.12 Shockey (I LOL on this one- I can't believe my good fortune that he didn't go RB)

After three rounds, LJ, Manning, Gates. Not too bad IMO.

 

[Shrek]

4.1 Brees (Holy ####, he is through 4 rounds with no RB's. Hopefully my theory that 9,10, and 11 pass on RB's holds up.)

4.2 Randy Moss

4.3 Javon Walker

4.4 Vince Young

I have to go RB here. I still don't like Portis- too risky IMO. It's either this or My top WR left on the board (Housh). Nah. I have risked a little bit so far and it's worked out. No need to push it.

4.5 Ronnie Brown Hard to believe he makes it to the fourth round.

4.6 Colston

4.7 Housh

4.8 Ahman Green

4.9 Driver

4.10 Andre Johnson

4.11 Norwood

4.12 McAllister

After 4 rounds: Manning, LJ, Ronnie Brown, Gates. Next target is WR's, unless I can get great value at RB.

 

[Shrek]

5.1 McNabb (Nice roster for this guy so far. I probably would have went RB/RB here, but he still looks pretty good IMO)

5.2 Adrian Peterson (crap)

5.3 Tony Gonzalez

5.4 Cadillac (Good, glad someone else took him. I didn't want him on my roster this year)

5.5 Portis (double crap. I was just starting to hope he would slip. Didn't want him in the second, but I'd have taken him in the fifth for sure)

5.6 Lynch (Ugh, now my second tier of RB's are gone. This means I am definitely leaning toward WR this round)

5.7 Romo

I can either pick up a RB in the range of JJ, Fred Taylor, Foster, Jamal Lewis, etc. Or I can go for the next WR on my board. I decide I can get those level of RB's in two to three rounds, so I go WR.

5.8 Plaxico Burress I like him better than Coles or Ward, since I think Cotchery and Holmes will steal some catches.

5.9 Witten

5.10 Ward

5.11 Coles (looks like I acted just in time- whew!)

5.12 Jamal Lewis

After 5 rounds: Manning, LJ, Brown, Burress, Gates. I'm starting to think this might shape up to be a decent team.

 

[Shrek]

6.1 Chicago Bears DEF/ST (Wow. After 6 rounds he has ONE RB.)

6.2 Heap

6.3 Calvin Johnson (Huge leap for him IMO)

6.4 Deangelo Williams (Not even the #1 RB on his team IMO. Mental note- get Foster if possible)

In retrospect, I should have maybe gotten Julius Jones or Lamont Jordan here. But I admit that I was getting nervous with only one WR, and looking at the 1-7 spots, I see a good possibility that several good WR's will be gone before I get my second one. Besides, hopefully JJ or Jordan will be available next round, and if not, I think I can still find good value in guys loike Foster or Fred Taylor later on. Hopefully.

6.5 Santana Moss It was tough for me to decide between him or Edwards. No regrets, though. He's clearly the #1 WR on the team, and he's always a home run threat.

6.6 Julius Jones

6.7 Rivers

6.8 Vincent Jackson (I laughed so loud at this. The guy picked him up about 1 round after he scores a TD in the preseason game. I tell him that must have made a pretty big impression, huh?)

6.9 Edwards

6.10 Jordan

6.11 Leinart

6.12 Baltimore Ravens DEF/ST

After 6: Manning, LJ, Brown, Burress, S. Moss, Gates. Next target is RB depth if at all possible.

 

[Shrek]

Before I continue, I said I would talk a little about my pre-draft strategy. I think it was pretty basic. Hopefully go RB/RB in the first two rounds, fill my QB/RB/WR/TE spots by round 8, then look for best value. No QB before the 6th-7th round (obviously didn't stick to that). No K before round 11. No DEF/ST before round 12 (unless I can get Chicago or Baltmore in the 9th or 10th round).

With a roster size limited to 14, I was thinking 2 QB's, 4-5 RB's, 4-5 WR's, 1 K, 1 DEF/ST, and 1 TE, with the possibility of picking up a second TE if I only get 4 RB's and 4 WR's.

Draft tools were injury reports, FBG Injury Breakdown, Dodds' From The Gut (I found this to be very valuable), my VBD sheet, the FBG ADP sheet with adjustments for recent rises/falls in ADP, and pre-draft strategy written on a piece of paper. I know the last part sounds cheesy, but I find it helps to have it looking me in the face if I start to stray too far from my original plans.

 

[Shrek]

7.1 Winslow

7.2 Vernon Davis

7.3 Reggie Brown

7.4 Cooley (here comes the run on TE's)

7.5 Darrell Jackson

7.6 Crumpler (rather surprising to me that he didn't go earlier)

7.7 Bruce

So now I can get my RB depth, or get another WR. I think I'd like to have another decent RB just in case LJ doesn't sign right away or Brown doesn't look as good as I hope he will)

7.8 Fred Taylor I still think he'll get the bulk of the carries, at least at the start.

7.9 Chambers

7.10 Cotchery (dang, I was targeting him next)

7.11 Bennett

7.12 Galloway (OK I just don't know what this guy's plan is anymore. ONE RB after 7 rounds. Unreal.)

After 7: Manning, LJ, Brown, Taylor, Burress, S. Moss, Gates. Next target is either Tatum Bell, Foster, or Devery Henderson.

 

[Shrek]

8.1 Morency (I almost feel sorry for him. His second starting RB is Morency)

8.2 Taum Bell (damn)

8.3 Brandon Jackson

8.4 Kitna (I think this will be one of the biggest steals of the draft, getting him this late)

Sticking with my plan, and taking my 4th RB.

8.5 Deshaun Foster

8.6 Watson

8.7 New England DEF/ST (Thanks for spending that high of a pick on them, guy)

8.8 Stallworth

8.9 Mark Clayton

8.10 Hasselbeck

8.11 Devery Henderson (shoot, I was hoping he'd drop one more round...)

8.12 Vinatieri

After 8: Manning, LJ, Brown, Fred Taylor, Foster, Burress, S. Moss, Gates.

Next target has to be WR's, or maybe a 5th RB if something good presents itself.

 

[Shrek]

9.1 Michael Turner (Good handcuff for this guy. Probably should have looked at him in the 8th to use as trade bait)

9.2 Chester Taylor

9.3 Dunn (now we're getting into the dregs of RB's that are left, at least after Dunn)

9.4 Roethlisberger

9.5 San Diego DEF/ST

9.6 Jennings

9.7 Eli Manning

Alright- my next WR stayed available, and I am more than happy to snatch him up in the 9th round. I'm starting to feel like the early strategies have paid off for me in good value toward the end of the draft.

9.8 Bernard Berrian

9.9 Lendale White

9.10 L.J. Smith

9.11 Muhammad (he he, got Berrian out from under his nose)

9.12 Reuben Droughns (pee-yew)

After 9: Manning, LJ, Brown, Fred Taylor, Foster, Burress, S. Moss, Berrian, Gates.

Now to pick up another WR, and I think I can wrap this draft up feeling fairly comfortable.

 

[Shrek]

10.1 Betts

10.2 Kaeding

10.3 Denver DEF/ST (wow)

10.4 Kevin Curtis

And my sleeper WR is available. If I take him now I can get one more WR or RB, then finish off my draft.

10.5 Santonio Holmes Looks like PIT is passing more this year, and I can't see Ward getting all of those receptions.

10.6 Pittsburgh DEF/ST

10.7 Wilkins

10.8 McMichael

10.9 Buckhalter

10.10 Terry Glenn (another probable steal at this point of the draft, as long as he can stay healthy)

10.11 Kevin Jones

10.12 Jerry Porter

After 10: Manning, LJ, Brown, Fred Taylor, Foster, Burress, S. Moss, Berrian, Holmes, Gates

 

[Shrek]

No need to bore you with all of the final round picks, but I will finish up with this.

I was was targeting Grossman, Cutler, Schaub, Delhomme, Smith, or Losman for my backup QB. I took Leon Washington in the 11th round. Grossman and Cutler were gone by this time. Then I realize that I've made a stupid mistake. Losman and Alex Smith both have a week 6 bye- same as Manning. Delhomme goes right after I select Washington, and Favre right after.

So I opt to take the #1 kicker on my board in round 12 (Elam), then Jason Campbell in the 13th (had him rated slightly above Schaub), then the Carolina DEF/ST.

So my draft ended up like this:

QB- Peyton Manning

QB- Jason Campbell

RB- Larry Johnson

RB- Ronnie Brown

RB- Fred Taylor

RB- Deshaun Foster

RB- Leon Washington

WR- Plaxico Burress

WR- Santana Moss

WR- Bernard Berrian

WR- Santonio Holmes

TE- Antonio Gates

K- Jason Elam

DEF/ST- Carolina Panthers

So in retrospect, I have my pre-ranked #1 QB, #4 and #12 RB's, #1 TE, and #1 K. These are obviously my positives.

Negatives- a little more thin at WR than I would like, and my top WR is #16 on my board.

As I said before, I don't want to turn this into a "Rate My Draft" type of thing, I just wanted to provide the OP with my results, as well as some of my strategy, thinking, and in-draft adjustments.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

I will take interest in this, as I just got the #8 spot in my money league. It's mostly typical scoring, except that points for yardage in a game double after 100 (for RBs/WRs) or 250 (for QBs). As you can see, this makes RBs even more powerful than usual. Also we draft D and ST separately, which is no biggie since they're both crapshoots anyway.

So my plan is looking like this:

1.08 - Henry or Parker, one of them should be there, not sure which one I'd rather have. I like Parker to get more yardage bonuses, given that they'll be throwing to him more often this year, but Henry to get more touchdowns. Hope just one of them gets taken to make my decision easier!

2.05 - Now this is veeeerrrrry interesting. Ideally, one of Maroney/Bush/Rudi would drop here, which may happen in this league. But if that doesn't go through, I'll be stuck deciding between MJD or a receiver. MJD has been one of my most difficult players to project - a lot of his production last year came from long TD runs, but his schedule's really nice and he should get more carries. With his receiving skills, he's about the last RB left with potential for major bonuses, but Taylor leaves me questioning just how often that will happen.

3.08 - If I went WR last time, I'll try to grab one of my favorite sleepers here - Brandon Jacobs. I honestly have him higher than Ronnie/Edge/Benson, and in a toss-up with McGahee. If by chance he doesn't make it, I'll probably have to gamble on Marshawn Lynch. Hmm...looks like MJD would be the pick in Rd. 2 after all, considering how much more I risk with 3rd-round RB as opposed to 3rd-round WR.

4.05 - Best available WR, no exceptions. I see a large high tier this season, and grabbing two from that group should give me a significant advantage over most other teams.

5.08 - QB, no exceptions. With 6-point passing TDs, you NEED a high-tier guy to win this league - something we finally learned the hard way, after years of trying QB committees. Additionally, for whatever reason (I know it's not the bonuses), running QBs are even better in this league than most; last year, for example, Vick was #1 and Vince Young was #7 (yes, not even PPG, just total). So VY would be my ideal target in this spot, but I could see one of our wackier owners "reaching" for him. Otherwise, I really like McNabb here as well.

6.05 - Most likely a 3rd RB. 3rd WR is also possible, as sometimes you can still get Ward or Santana or Coles, but I have later sleepers at WR I really like; this is not quite the case with RBs. Peterson would be fantastic if he falls this far, but that won't happen - this league has a few owners who love to reach for youth every year, as I hinted at with VY. So I'm thinking Fred Taylor or Jerious Norwood (maybe the Falcons' implosion will scare everyone off), as I legitimately like both of them. If ALL those guys are gone, I'm digging Ladell Betts - that looks like the right situation for a home-run pick.

7.08 - Now we're shifting to "Best Player Available" mode. There are a bunch of nice WR values here, but my favorite one should still be there next round, so maybe a Lendale type? Or just go with a guy like Berrian or Cotchery anyway?

8.05 - This looks like D.J. Hackett time to me. I'm very high on his ability and think he will see a lot of action with all the likely shootouts in the NFC West.

9.08 - Another WR perhaps. I would love Kevin Curtis at this spot, and Santonio Holmes intrigues me.

10.05 - I'll be looking for a backup QB around this time. Roethlisberger seems to drop here often, and I think he's a solid bet for top 10. Or alternately, I could wait a couple more rounds for another home-run pick with Leinart. One of the Packers RBs or LaMont Jordan could be worth a selection here.

11.08 onward - Just filling out the roster with upside guys. One interesting bit, though, is that you have a strict limit on waiver moves (8, I believe), so I am considering drafting two defenses to rotate. I love the Packers as one of them, I'm just looking for a good partner.

Any thoughts?

Thanks and good luck,

Josh.

 

[Shrek]

I will take interest in this, as I just got the #8 spot in my money league. It's mostly typical scoring, except that points for yardage in a game double after 100 (for RBs/WRs) or 250 (for QBs). As you can see, this makes RBs even more powerful than usual. Also we draft D and ST separately, which is no biggie since they're both crapshoots anyway.So my plan is looking like this:1.08 - Henry or Parker, one of them should be there, not sure which one I'd rather have. I like Parker to get more yardage bonuses, given that they'll be throwing to him more often this year, but Henry to get more touchdowns. Hope just one of them gets taken to make my decision easier!2.05 - Now this is veeeerrrrry interesting. Ideally, one of Maroney/Bush/Rudi would drop here, which may happen in this league. But if that doesn't go through, I'll be stuck deciding between MJD or a receiver. MJD has been one of my most difficult players to project - a lot of his production last year came from long TD runs, but his schedule's really nice and he should get more carries. With his receiving skills, he's about the last RB left with potential for major bonuses, but Taylor leaves me questioning just how often that will happen.3.08 - If I went WR last time, I'll try to grab one of my favorite sleepers here - Brandon Jacobs. I honestly have him higher than Ronnie/Edge/Benson, and in a toss-up with McGahee. If by chance he doesn't make it, I'll probably have to gamble on Marshawn Lynch. Hmm...looks like MJD would be the pick in Rd. 2 after all, considering how much more I risk with 3rd-round RB as opposed to 3rd-round WR.4.05 - Best available WR, no exceptions. I see a large high tier this season, and grabbing two from that group should give me a significant advantage over most other teams.5.08 - QB, no exceptions. With 6-point passing TDs, you NEED a high-tier guy to win this league - something we finally learned the hard way, after years of trying QB committees. Additionally, for whatever reason (I know it's not the bonuses), running QBs are even better in this league than most; last year, for example, Vick was #1 and Vince Young was #7 (yes, not even PPG, just total). So VY would be my ideal target in this spot, but I could see one of our wackier owners "reaching" for him. Otherwise, I really like McNabb here as well.6.05 - Most likely a 3rd RB. 3rd WR is also possible, as sometimes you can still get Ward or Santana or Coles, but I have later sleepers at WR I really like; this is not quite the case with RBs. Peterson would be fantastic if he falls this far, but that won't happen - this league has a few owners who love to reach for youth every year, as I hinted at with VY. So I'm thinking Fred Taylor or Jerious Norwood (maybe the Falcons' implosion will scare everyone off), as I legitimately like both of them. If ALL those guys are gone, I'm digging Ladell Betts - that looks like the right situation for a home-run pick.7.08 - Now we're shifting to "Best Player Available" mode. There are a bunch of nice WR values here, but my favorite one should still be there next round, so maybe a Lendale type? Or just go with a guy like Berrian or Cotchery anyway?8.05 - This looks like D.J. Hackett time to me. I'm very high on his ability and think he will see a lot of action with all the likely shootouts in the NFC West.9.08 - Another WR perhaps. I would love Kevin Curtis at this spot, and Santonio Holmes intrigues me.10.05 - I'll be looking for a backup QB around this time. Roethlisberger seems to drop here often, and I think he's a solid bet for top 10. Or alternately, I could wait a couple more rounds for another home-run pick with Leinart. One of the Packers RBs or LaMont Jordan could be worth a selection here.11.08 onward - Just filling out the roster with upside guys. One interesting bit, though, is that you have a strict limit on waiver moves (8, I believe), so I am considering drafting two defenses to rotate. I love the Packers as one of them, I'm just looking for a good partner.Any thoughts?Thanks and good luck,Josh.

While I think it's good to have a general plan in place, I think it's very difficult to project that certain players will be available in certain rounds. And the later the round, the harder it's going to be. For instance- if MJD is gone in the second round, then how will the rest of your strategy change? Hopefully you will get a Maroney/Bush (doubtful)/Rudi type here.I don't think Jacobs will make it to you in the 3rd. His stock is rising. I sincerely doubt Norwood makes it to the 6th round. Holmes is another player who's buzz is increasing. You'll probably be lucky to get him in the 9th. I would likely interchange him with Hackett in your projections. And Leinart in the 10th would be a real steal.Good luck to you

 

[moleculo]

So in retrospect, I have my pre-ranked #1 QB, #4 and #12 RB's, #1 TE, and #1 K. These are obviously my positives.Negatives- a little more thin at WR than I would like, and my top WR is #16 on my board. As I said before, I don't want to turn this into a "Rate My Draft" type of thing, I just wanted to provide the OP with my results, as well as some of my strategy, thinking, and in-draft adjustments.

NY Shreks> thanks for posting this

 

[otb_lifer]

Went from #8 slot in a 12 team redraft.

No PPR, but, bonus for "distance" scores. TD's are 6 pts. (td's over 40yds. are 7 pts., 50 yds. and over are 8 pts.) Starting req: 1 qb, 2 rb, 3 wr, 1 te, 1 k, 1 d/st.

Let me preface by saying this is NOT a "rate my draft" post .... I've been lurking here for 4 years, so, I know the drill. This is a glimpse into what the #8 spot held for me.

Here's how my draft went ...

1.08 FWP

2.17 Edge (i'm high on him this year)

3.32 Javon Walker (my highest rated receiver left)

4.41 Andre Johnson

5.56 Laveraneus Coles

6.65 Jamal Lewis (not the sexiest pick, but a decent rb#3 here).

7.80 Tony Romo

8.89 Devery Henderson

9.104 Jason Witten

10.113 Leon Washington

11.128 Mike Bell (bit of a reach with his injury, but I don't see Travis lasting a whole season).

12.137 Troy Williamson

13.152 Vernand Morency (slipping due to injury, B.Jackson's emergence, decent value here).

14.161 Jason Elam

15.176 Jeff Garcia

16.185 Green Bay D/ST

So, my roster shapes up as such:

QB: Romo, Garcia

RB: FWP, Edge, Jamal Lewis, Leon Washington, Mike Bell, Vernand Morency

WR: Javon Walker, Andre Johnson, Laveraneus Cloes, Devery Henderson, Troy Williamson

TE: Witten

K: Jason Elam

D/ST: Green Bay

Not exactly overjoyed, but ... was glad to build around FWP and Edge. I'm very high on both of them.

Being that it's a start 3 WR league, I knew that if I didn't snag one in round 2, that it might be slim pickings coming back in 3 and 4. I'm satisfied with Walker and AJ. Coles is a guy who KILLS me when my opponent has him every year, so ... welcome aboard.

Was glad to see Witten sitting there in round 9. His TD's suffered last year, but, I like the double down with Romo.

Speaking of which, I was set on Romo or Big Ben coming in. I could've waited a few rounds more (Ben went in round 9), but ... I didn't want to leverage FWP with Roethlisberger, and Romo was too tempting to pass up. Plus, the #1 and #2 owners both were without QB's, and I knew Romo wouldn't make it back off of that turn.

I was not too thrilled when I was presented with this #8 selection ... I could've done things differently (like top tier QB in rd. 2 or 3), but ... this is the way the chips fell for me coming out of this slot.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I drafted from the 8th yesterday. PPR 6 pt td's. 1/2/2/1/1/1 1 superflex.I took Alexander at 1.8, Ronnie Brown at 2.5 (Benson, McGahee, Maroney were all gone) thought about Chad Johnson there and coming back with another RB in the 3rd. 3.8 Was Fitzgerald (took him over Roy Williams...Portis didn't go until 4.2), at 4.5 took All Day Peterson and was happy to get him!! Calvin Johnson at 6.5 as my #2 WR and Kitna at 5.8. 2 Rookies in the first 6 rounds is a stretch, but could pay of huge if they have the type of year I think they will.QB's Kitna(5.8), Cutler(7.8), T. Jackson (15.8). RB's Alexander(1.8), Brown (2.5), Peterson (4.5), Washington (13.8). WR's Fitzgerald (3.8), Calvin (6.5), Cotchery (8.5), Muhammed (11.8), Henderson (10.5). TE's Eric Johnson (14.5), Owen Daniels (16.5). K Vinatiery (9.8)...I had what I needed so i figured I'd take a solid dome kicker early. Defense Vikings (12.5)

Where did the QBs go? And Gates?

 

[ctdub]

Like I said you can flex a qb so they went earlier than normall. Manning 1.09, Palmer 1.12, Brady 2.07, Bulger 2.09, Gates 3.04, McNabb 3.05, Brees 3.07, Rivers 4.08, Romo 5.02, Kitna 5.08.

 

[massmarauder]

Thanks for the breakdown, NY Shreks, I appreciated the strategy, and I think you did well. Some of the other teams picks were mind blowing, and as much as I'm NOT high on Ronnie Brown, picking him up in the 4th round is great.

My league needs more guppies, we're all pretty evenly matched, with a few guys being more conservative, and others(like myself) being a little more daring. And even the homer guy is doing well now that the Pats are great.

 

[PsychoMan]

I've got a 14 teamer from the 8 spot soon . . . non ppr

Not sure if I should go Manning here or not. If my top 7 RBs are all off the board, I'm not sure I want my RB8 when RB8-15 are all somewhat similar in my opinion. Is going for Manning here crazy?

 

[Shrek]

I've got a 14 teamer from the 8 spot soon . . . non pprNot sure if I should go Manning here or not. If my top 7 RBs are all off the board, I'm not sure I want my RB8 when RB8-15 are all somewhat similar in my opinion. Is going for Manning here crazy?

This is exactly the dilemma I was forced to confront. First off, it's not crazy, so you can throw that out. The non-PPR aspect will definitely move some RB's down the board. Without knowing the entire scoring format it's hard to generalize, but I think it's definitely worth a hard look.The thing you have to think of is, if every one of your top tier RB's are gone by that time, how closely do you have your next tier of RB's ranked? If there isn't a large discrepancy between the next 6-8 RB's, I think you have to give the Manning choice more weight. Why? Because after you (hypothetically) take one of your second tier RB's (as your first RB, no less), you have to figure most of the people in slots 9-14 will take the rest of those second tier RB's. And that's just to finish the first round. Several of those people will likely also have a RB/RB strategy firmly implanted in their head. So even if only 2-3 people in the 9-14 slot go RB/RB, you are still likely to have 9-11 more RB's gone before you get to pick again.So why not consider Manning here? You get the (nearly) consensus #1 QB, and your next pick will be roughly the same quality as if you had taken an RB anyway. If you trust your ability to glean value later in the draft, it's very tempting. Also, if you pass on Manning and take a RB in round 1, someone from the 9-14 spot is going to get their first RB (which is not much worse than yours), and they will get Manning with their second pick.RB/RB is one of the original blocks of FF strategy. I understand that it's hard to break the mold, but this site has proven year after year that you can veer from it successfully.

 

[PsychoMan]

I've got a 14 teamer from the 8 spot soon . . . non pprNot sure if I should go Manning here or not. If my top 7 RBs are all off the board, I'm not sure I want my RB8 when RB8-15 are all somewhat similar in my opinion. Is going for Manning here crazy?

This is exactly the dilemma I was forced to confront. First off, it's not crazy, so you can throw that out. The non-PPR aspect will definitely move some RB's down the board. Without knowing the entire scoring format it's hard to generalize, but I think it's definitely worth a hard look.The thing you have to think of is, if every one of your top tier RB's are gone by that time, how closely do you have your next tier of RB's ranked? If there isn't a large discrepancy between the next 6-8 RB's, I think you have to give the Manning choice more weight. Why? Because after you (hypothetically) take one of your second tier RB's (as your first RB, no less), you have to figure most of the people in slots 9-14 will take the rest of those second tier RB's. And that's just to finish the first round. Several of those people will likely also have a RB/RB strategy firmly implanted in their head. So even if only 2-3 people in the 9-14 slot go RB/RB, you are still likely to have 9-11 more RB's gone before you get to pick again.So why not consider Manning here? You get the (nearly) consensus #1 QB, and your next pick will be roughly the same quality as if you had taken an RB anyway. If you trust your ability to glean value later in the draft, it's very tempting. Also, if you pass on Manning and take a RB in round 1, someone from the 9-14 spot is going to get their first RB (which is not much worse than yours), and they will get Manning with their second pick.RB/RB is one of the original blocks of FF strategy. I understand that it's hard to break the mold, but this site has proven year after year that you can veer from it successfully.

Thanks! That's the knid of analysis I was looking for.The league is 6 pts all touchdowns and 1 pt per 10 rush/rec, 25 pass yds. I'm afraid that my top 7 RBs might go right before me. If they do not, I am going to take whichever is left of them as a no brainer. There are a handful more in my next tier of RBs, and for similar reasons you stated, it might be worth it to just go with Manning and have him start week in week out with a very very late round backup QB. I also believe I'll be able to get some pretty good value in the mid rounds which is another reason I'm considering this.Another thing I'm pondering is, is Gates worth a 3rd rd pick here? If I draft Manning, there's no way I'll go for Gates, but if I end up with a stud RB/WR, I might try to pull the trigger.

 

[Shrek]

I've got a 14 teamer from the 8 spot soon . . . non pprNot sure if I should go Manning here or not. If my top 7 RBs are all off the board, I'm not sure I want my RB8 when RB8-15 are all somewhat similar in my opinion. Is going for Manning here crazy?

This is exactly the dilemma I was forced to confront. First off, it's not crazy, so you can throw that out. The non-PPR aspect will definitely move some RB's down the board. Without knowing the entire scoring format it's hard to generalize, but I think it's definitely worth a hard look.The thing you have to think of is, if every one of your top tier RB's are gone by that time, how closely do you have your next tier of RB's ranked? If there isn't a large discrepancy between the next 6-8 RB's, I think you have to give the Manning choice more weight. Why? Because after you (hypothetically) take one of your second tier RB's (as your first RB, no less), you have to figure most of the people in slots 9-14 will take the rest of those second tier RB's. And that's just to finish the first round. Several of those people will likely also have a RB/RB strategy firmly implanted in their head. So even if only 2-3 people in the 9-14 slot go RB/RB, you are still likely to have 9-11 more RB's gone before you get to pick again.So why not consider Manning here? You get the (nearly) consensus #1 QB, and your next pick will be roughly the same quality as if you had taken an RB anyway. If you trust your ability to glean value later in the draft, it's very tempting. Also, if you pass on Manning and take a RB in round 1, someone from the 9-14 spot is going to get their first RB (which is not much worse than yours), and they will get Manning with their second pick.RB/RB is one of the original blocks of FF strategy. I understand that it's hard to break the mold, but this site has proven year after year that you can veer from it successfully.

Thanks! That's the knid of analysis I was looking for.The league is 6 pts all touchdowns and 1 pt per 10 rush/rec, 25 pass yds. I'm afraid that my top 7 RBs might go right before me. If they do not, I am going to take whichever is left of them as a no brainer. There are a handful more in my next tier of RBs, and for similar reasons you stated, it might be worth it to just go with Manning and have him start week in week out with a very very late round backup QB. I also believe I'll be able to get some pretty good value in the mid rounds which is another reason I'm considering this.Another thing I'm pondering is, is Gates worth a 3rd rd pick here? If I draft Manning, there's no way I'll go for Gates, but if I end up with a stud RB/WR, I might try to pull the trigger.

First, I really doubt Gates would be available to you in the 3rd round. But if he is, why wouldn't you consider him? I guess I don't know what your projections or starting lineup requirements are, but I can't see why Gates should just be discounted out of hand. And if you start a TE (non-flex) I would think this would make him even more valuable, as he is head and shoulders above the other TE's, at least IMO.I can't tell whether you're just trying to adhere to a strict positional strategy or not. For instance, you may be set on RB/RB, RB/WR, or QB/RB just to name a few. I like to be more flexible. In the first two or three rounds, I draft almost exclusively for value according to my projections. I guess the only way I would waver on this is if I don't have a lot of confidence in my projections. And if that's my problem, I'm probably screwed anyway.I always have a pre-draft strategy according to my draft slot, updated ADP's, and projected picks. But if exceptional value presents itself in any round, I won't tether myself to any particular strategy.

 

[PsychoMan]

6 pt all TDs, no ppr, no performance, standard scoring otherwise ... start 1,2,3,1,1,1

Had my draft last night. Like I said, it's a 14 teamer banzai style draft. The 8th pick was literally the last pick I wanted and I ended up with it. Overall, I'm somewhat pleased with the results, because I feel like I got some pretty good value in the mid to late round picks.

My first and second tier RBs go like this: LT, SJ, LJ, Addai, SA, Parker, Gore.

Ok, so the draft starts ... the first 7 picks take the exact RBs mentioned above. Just as I had expected, but also feared. So ... I go for it and I take Manning at 1.08 . I was a bit afraid to do this, but went with it. I was banking on a solid RB falling to me in round 2 and banking on finding some RB depth later. The rest goes like this:

Peyton Manning, QB, 1.8

Cedric Benson, RB, 2.7 - this was the last 3rd tier RB on the board at this time - I was happy with it

Larry Fitzgerald, WR, 3.7 - debated between Houshmanzilly and Fitzy, figured I couldn't go too wrong with either

Carnell Williams, RB, 4.7 - was happy with this, still needed to solidy RB corps

Santana Moss, WR, 5.8 - i like this guy a lot ... me thinks he's up for a good year

Ahman Green, RB, 6.7 - awesome value here ... helped save me taking Manning in the first

Joey Galloway, WR, 7.8 - rounded out my 3 starting WRs here & happy with him as a WR3

Jason Witten, TE, 8.7 - i think he was the 12th TE off the board. super happy he fell that far

Miami Dolphins, DEF, 9.8 - why not

Leon Washington, RB, 10.7 - RB depth

Jerry Porter, WR, 11.8 - WR depth

Owen Daniels, TE, 12.7 - could be in for a very good year

Chris Brown (TEN), RB, 13.8 - RB depth

Wes Welker, WR, 14.7 - WR depth

Jeff Garcia, QB, 15.8 - backup QB

Adrian Peterson (CHI), RB, 16.7 - backup to Benson, almost forgot to get this guy (wolfe was drafted just before him)

Jacoby Jones, WR, 17.8 - sleeper perhaps

Josh Brown, K, 18.7 - need one of these

Keary Colbert, WR, 19.8 - debated btw him and a backup DEF (cincy)