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Lets talk Jesse Chatman.. (1 Viewer)
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TheLastDispatch
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hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
YUP!!! and believe it or not he's taken in all 4 leagues I'm in.
az_prof
Footballguy
Obviously, this is just speculation. My gut feeling is that Chatman will be the primary back with RB out, but he will be spelled perhaps by both backups. If he is effective he will stay in that role. If not, it will be RBBC. I don't see him as a long term solution and I expect RB to recover next year. If his recovery doesn't go well I expect the team to get someone in FA much like Detroit did with Bell. I don't see them going aver Turner because RB showed that he is an elite back and the odds are very good he will return at some point next year, so why mortgage the future for a RB when you have one and when you have so many other needs.
I could also see Ricky Williams being accepted back into the fold and some point this season because of this. At his age and with so little PT the past few years I don't think Ricky will be the same player, but he could be a role player along with Chatman.
I could also see Ricky Williams being accepted back into the fold and some point this season because of this. At his age and with so little PT the past few years I don't think Ricky will be the same player, but he could be a role player along with Chatman.
Tau837
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Over the past 5 games, including the partial game yesterday, Brown had 128 touches, 850 total yards, and 5 TDs. That is amazing production. Add in Chatman's minor production over that span and they combined for 139 touches, 934 total yards, and 6 TDs over those 5 games. That is 187 yards and 1.2 TDs per game. And the switch to Lemon happened right in the middle of that stretch, so while the Miami passing game might not be overly impressive, it didn't seem to take away from Brown's fantasy production... not sure it should be any different for Brown's replacement(s).
To me, it appears Chatman is in line to pick up the bulk of the touches going forward. Here is how the touches have broken down on the season to date: Brown 158, Chatman 31, Cobbs 4, Mauia 3. Booker doesn't even have a single touch. I don't think we can count on that same level of production from Chatman as Brown has shown recently, but there is no reason to believe he won't be effective enough to be a starting fantasy RB.
To me, it appears Chatman is in line to pick up the bulk of the touches going forward. Here is how the touches have broken down on the season to date: Brown 158, Chatman 31, Cobbs 4, Mauia 3. Booker doesn't even have a single touch. I don't think we can count on that same level of production from Chatman as Brown has shown recently, but there is no reason to believe he won't be effective enough to be a starting fantasy RB.
PatytonsGhost
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Rush Yards Y/Game avg TD
2004 San Diego 15 65 392 26.1 6 3
2007 Miami 7 20 117 16.7 5.9 1
Career 48 99 545 11. 5.5 4
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6189/c...WK9aZVxQ6z.uLYF
This guy is supposed to take over R. Browns job, how do you account for not playing for 2 years, If anything Lorenzo Booker benefits or the passing game does Jesse Chatman come on... Lemon Chatman combo.. Dolphins may not win a game this year
2004 San Diego 15 65 392 26.1 6 3
2007 Miami 7 20 117 16.7 5.9 1
Career 48 99 545 11. 5.5 4
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6189/c...WK9aZVxQ6z.uLYF
This guy is supposed to take over R. Browns job, how do you account for not playing for 2 years, If anything Lorenzo Booker benefits or the passing game does Jesse Chatman come on... Lemon Chatman combo.. Dolphins may not win a game this year
Tau837
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I agree a Lemon-Chatman combo isn't overly impressive from an NFL standpoint, but from a fantasy standpoint, some RB has to get those touches. Over the past 5 games, Miami RBs had 146 touches - more than 29 per game. Who will get those touches?Booker, who was inactive this week and has 0 touches on the season? Why would he go from inactive to having a significant role?
Chatman has had 31 touches on the season to date and the other RBs have had 7. Why would Chatman not get the majority of the touches now? It is known that he is a favorite of Cam's, and he has performed well this season in limited opportunities.
Even if he doesn't perform as well as Brown, he will be a feature RB and thus will have value. Miami is only #24 in the NFL this season in RB carries, so it isn't likely that they will run the ball less often IMO.
taylorj99
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Ronnie's caught 39 of 46 targets as well. Who do you think will benefit the most in this facet of the game? Preseason stats are quite skewed as everyone knows and Chatman only had 7 catches (5 in one game) IIRC. Is he the answer there as well? Does Booker come in on third down to fill that role? Maybe Ricky answers all those questions if he returns to previous form. I don't know.
FantasyTrader
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Chatman owners are probably hoping he picks up where Ronnie left off. That's doubtful. Let's not forget that Chatman was running against a Pats defense that had mentally boarded the plane by the time he saw action. At 5'8"-123 lbs, (think Maurice Jones-Drew. Or Frodo) let's wait and see how the carries shake out between Chatman and Patrick Cobbs before we go counting on production. That being said I certainly scooped him up.
Red Apples
Footballguy
Samkon Gado?
Tau837
Footballguy
I just have a hard time seeing Booker going from 0 touches on the season and inactive last week (and previous weeks?) to having a signficant role like being the main pass catching RB. I think it would be progress just for him to see a live snap.
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
Problem people have with their analysis of backup RBs....they are not as good as the 1st string. They can and won't put up the same numbers....sure there are cases where a backup is pretty good, but Chatman is just a slug....
flooredyas
Footballguy
While I agree with your assessment (basically), many are looking at Chatman OVER another slug they are currently rostering. Be it a Stecker, Faulk (Or any NE RB?), Leonard, GB RB's or Leon Washington. Given injuries and byes, Chatman appears to at least offer a glimmer of hope vs. the guy they currently have. As far as the same numbers, in this case not a chance, therefore I picked him up.
gianmarco
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I'm not exactly sure why, but I think Chatman may be the biggest WW pickup of the year. I know there have been a lot of people with love for Ronnie Brown, but I never saw it when he was on the field in the NFL. He just looked average to me. This year, the O-line was supposed to be worse and there was little to no supporting cast and all of a sudden Brown explodes? I may be way off, but I think Cam Cameron had a MAJOR impact in his new-found success. This sounds weird saying it, but I think this was more a product of the Miami system. I think Chatman may be very successful and worth the gamble.
If the season is a total loss, which it is, why wouldn't Miami try out Booker or at least get him in there for a decent % of the snaps? If RB doesn't recover quickly, Booker may be the fill in they need. If they don't try him out now, when would they? After RB returns and is healthy? And yes i know they were thinking of converting him to WR. But, IMO, that was so he could get some playing time and it was obvious he's not going to get much with RB running. Doesn't this afford them the opportunity to get him some playing time in a more logical spot?
Disclaimer: I don't own any of the Miami running game right now and am last on my waiver order, so doubt I'll see any of them this season.
Disclaimer: I don't own any of the Miami running game right now and am last on my waiver order, so doubt I'll see any of them this season.
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SKribbles
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At that size I think he'll get injured pretty quick!
Man, The Chatman owners come out! I am a Chatman owner and I am nowhere near excited about him. He played earlier in year and he was very, very, average. He took advantage of an unmotivated 2nd string PATS D on Sunday. If you are expecting Ronnie B numbers, forget it. He will not rush for much, but could be valuable catching the ball out of backfield. you rest assured that they will get a look at Booker and anyone else. It will not be a one man show. They are 0-7 and are rebuilding, they will determine what they have.
DropKick
Footballguy
Of course that's a typo, but the 223 lb Chatman has actually lost a lot of weight in the past couple years. Wasn't he like 270 lbs when he was with the Chargers?
shake zula
Footballguy
I don't see Booker getting any carries, last I read in the Herald Booker was working at WR
Jeff Tefertiller
Footballguy
This is what I see as well. If they liked what they saw in Booker as a back, why the talk of him playing slot receiver?
gianmarco
Footballguy
No, I don't own him in a single league. I haven't been very excited about any WW pickups so far this year. This one has peaked my interest considerably.
bakes
I am the Beer God!
But he'll beat the snot out of Maskutney or Matt Suhey or... wait, what's his ID? Oh yeah, matuski!
As high as 280! -- http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/26/...lost-60-pounds/The official stats from 2004 had Chatman listed favorably at around 245, but he got cut because he couldn't meet playing weight. He's more talented than most folks realize and it appears he finally got the discipline to stay at a good playing weight -- kudos to Jesse. He doesn't have breakaway speed (or at least didn't at 245+) and he's 28 already, so Chatman likely isn't a long-term solution for any team, but the Dolphins shouldn't miss a beat and he'll be a great WW pickup.
minister
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I think that Gado (2005) and Ron Dayne (2006) are fair upside comparisons.Downside comparison? Hmm .... Maurice Morris (2006)?
lord_helmet
Footballguy
I have to agree with this, he has the trust of his coach and is in the shape of his life. Should be interesting.
Illegal Pants Downfield
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Tong Po
Footballguy
That's a relief. I was afraid the Dolphins were gonna win a game.
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