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Lets talk Maurice-James-Jones-Smith-Drew: (1 Viewer)
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arlingtonpark27
Footballguy
I have Maurice in each league I'm because of Fragile Fred and the fact that from Week 3 through 7, he was the 12th best back in my leagues due to his performance. He's an amazing talent and I would guess that he'd get more touches with Taylor limping along. He also will cost me a 15th round pick next year in my league to keep him, which is even better. Stock Up!
DevilintheDetail
Footballguy
Where are you finding the news about Taylor having a pulled hamstring muscle?
Chickenwang
Footballguy
for those who actually watched him play, know that he better hold on to that damn ball.
He almost let that thing slip out about 5 times...
He almost let that thing slip out about 5 times...
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I can find nothing about a hammy problem for Fred at NFL.com, Jaguars.com, espn or the blogger.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Stop making things up.
laughinboy_2000
Footballguy
That would be because Fragile Fred is NOT hurt. Sounds like a Maurice Jones-Drew owner WISHING Taylor was hurt. If Taylor does go down though, Jones-Drew would have to be considered a top 15 back!
arlingtonpark27
Footballguy
Please look at the Footballguys Week 9 Injury Report by Wimer before you start making false accusations. It says, "Taylor suffered what is being called a "mild" hamstring pull on Sunday - however, this is the sort of injury that can linger and hamper a player. Keep an eye on Taylor's practice participation this week if you have him rostered."
Thanks for your indepth research and knowledge before speaking and to think you might have a subscription and not even use it.
Thanks for your indepth research and knowledge before speaking and to think you might have a subscription and not even use it.
boubucarow
Footballguy
talented but ball security was extremely poor on sundayBigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Who is calling it?Where is this info coming from.
Besides two people who post here at FBGs.
What is the source?
Some dont have subscriptions. And many search every outlet possible.
cbs, rts, mfl, florida newsoutlets and the above mentioned major outlets, and there is nothing of any hammy.
even on the fbgs own blogg there isnothing. this is too significant to have no word from anyone except two fbgs.
*I actually dont own Fred and this would be positive news for a couple of my teams with MJD. But its very vapor-ish currently.
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undercover
Footballguy
Nothing about Taylor listed in Del Rio's Monday Press Conference....in fact he talks very positively about Taylor....Jags HC Del Rio Monday Q and A
Written by: ¦ 10/30/2006
Source: www.jaguars.com
"Looking at the tape, kind of reflecting on yesterday, I'm really proud of our guys, the staff and the players. They worked hard. I thought we showed a lot of grit, determination, utilized our depth at several positions. The versatility that we work on, having guys being able to sub in and play different positions, it all showed and the preparation showed. Each and every week we talk about taking advantage of the opportunities, that we get 16 opportunities. I'm very proud of the fact that we took advantage of our opportunity yesterday and got a win that we needed. We really did need that win. It was good to go up there and get it. I had a rewarding e-mail sent to me today. My high school coach e-mailed me this morning and said that he noted that it was apparent to him, both on and off the field, that the overall camaraderie and focus of the football team was very good. For me, coach to coach, first of all my high school coach, e-mailing me that kind of thing. I thought it was nice and thought I would share that with you. I emailed him back ?Thank you very much. I appreciate that, Coach.'
(what is your high school coach's name?) "Coach Joe ***cy. He was actually my basketball coach. My football coach has been out. He'll be out in two weeks, Coach Rankin, but this is Coach ***cy."
"Yesterday, I thought a nice job in all three phases. I think special teams-wise as we looked at the film, we each had nine kicks. Our starting field position was the 35 for us, 21 for them. We enjoyed 130 yards of hidden yardage. That was a factor in the game. Offensively, we controlled the line of scrimmage with our offensive line. The backs ran hard. 200-plus yards rushing in close to 37 minutes in time of possession. Big, that was big. Defensively, they're a big-play offense. They've been a team that's thrown it over the top of people or (Brian) Westbrook running through people. We knew we needed a swarm to tackle them and we did a nice job there. We didn't allow a lot of big plays and limited them offensively. I talked with our guys that you earn what you get each week, and we earned that victory. It wasn't perfect. There are always things you want to do better. We had a punt that we really should have blocked, that we were back there. They ended up getting a 35-yard net on that. You'd like to get that thing blocked. We had a long touchdown run by Fred (Taylor) overturned on a hold call, which was legitimate. We had a fumble going in and we had a dropped interception by Bobby (McCray). So we had opportunities to make the game more one-sided than it was, but the bottom line is we did make enough plays to win the game. We're proud of that and we're obviously back at work making corrections and getting prepared for next week."
"One injury to note and that's Derrick Wimbush. He sprained his ankle. He's having a MRI today. I think he's had it, I just haven't heard the results yet."
(on Brent Hawkins' injury) "He strained his groin, I believe, yesterday. I don't have an update yet for you. I'll give you that on Wednesday."
(what are the parameters that you are going to follow on the quarterback position?) "I'd like to take advantage of the unknown and not give my opponent this week any jump on what we may or may not be thinking. I understand there is a desire to have more information and at some point I know we'll talk about that position, but obviously the day after the game it's more about reflecting on what happened yesterday and as far as this week's preparation is concerned, I'd just as soon hold that competitive advantage and not turn it and give it to them. I'd like to hold off discussion on that until later in the week."
(is the only issue Byron Leftwich's injury status?) "Let me try and say it another way. I will give you an injury report on Wednesday, you'll be able to watch the first 30 minutes of practice, and we'll talk more then."
(is it accurate to say that with Leftwich it was injury-related last week?) "Correct."
(is the proclamation that if Leftwich is healthy, he is the starting quarterback?) "I'm not making a proclamation. There is no proclamation. I just told you that."
(does it make any difference which quarterback plays?) "We're just trying to do all we can with the guys we have to win ballgames."
(has anything changed in the last four years where you have always said that Byron Leftwich, if healthy, is our starting quarterback? Has anything changed from that?) "No."
(were there more circumstances yesterday that didn't dictate getting Marcedes Lewis more involved, because it wasn't your normal run of the mill game plan where you run it 47 times and only throw it 17?) "That's all correct. When you adjust it to the wind, I think you have to, right? We continue to want to get him involved. We didn't throw the ball a lot yesterday. If you can't run the ball then you've got to do something but we were able to run the ball and we stayed with it."
(do you feel like you can win that way, continue to run the ball and play defense the rest the way? Do you feel like you can win that way?) "Every week you put a plan together to win that game, and that's what we're going to continue to do. Certainly I have said from day one, and will continue to say and believe, that if you can run the ball and stop the run, then that goes a long way towards winning the ballgame. It doesn't guarantee a win but it certainly increases your odds. It's a proven way to win in the NFL but obviously there is more to it than that. I think you've got to be able to make plays. You have to at some point make plays in the passing game, but to run the ball and stop the run is a great place to start and we were able to do that yesterday."
(has the NFL now become the team who wins is the one who is more mentally ready to go that particular week?) "I've said it many times, I believe there are a lot of talented players and coaches, and I'm not just saying that as coach-speak. I believe that, and I believe that if you go in and you have a good plan and you execute, you have a good chance to win if you have a good team. That's what we feel we have. If you don't go in and you don't execute and you don't play well, then any other team you're going to play in your NFL schedule is capable of beating you. That's what I believe. It's borne out every weekend. You see examples of it every weekend."
(on David Garrard's performance) "I thought he handled it pretty well. I thought he played solid. We didn't require him to throw the ball a lot yesterday. Down the field was going to be difficult because of the wind. I thought he made plays to help us win. I thought he did a nice job."
(did your game plan change because of the wind? Would you have thrown more if the wind wasn't an issue?) "Yes."
(do you think it benefits Fred Taylor's productivity by having the one-two punch with Maurice Jones-Drew?) "I think that's a big benefit for us. I think both guys are very capable, very good football players. I think first of all we're on track to keep him, I've got to verify the carries, but as of last week we added that up over a normal season, the second more carriers ever he's had in his career. So we're getting him the ball. We're going to continue to get him the ball, but it doesn't have to stop when he's not in. We can continue to run the ball with Maurice Jones-Drew. So I think that's good. It gives us an added weapon, a one-two punch, but Fred played well."
(on who received the game balls yesterday) "Fred Taylor was our offensive game ball winner. He had a touchdown, over 100 yards running and ran very hard. He caught both balls thrown to him. Special teams we gave it to Alvin Pearman. Great job by AP. A big return that gave us a lift in the return game. John Henderson is our defensive player of the game. We put him on the left side to match-up with big (Shawn) Andrews. They had a dominant presence on their offensive line, in our opinion, and we put our dominant guy on him. Big John played very well. Four tackles, an assist, a sack, two passes broken up and he was all over the field - hustling, running and making plays."
(on Reggie Williams not having a good last two games) "He played well the first four (games). He's not played well the last two weeks. What we're looking for is consistency. He's had more drops than catches. We need him to play better."
(on Matt Jones' performance yesterday) "He made two third down conversions."
(on Jones not being involved too much yesterday) "No, he wasn't. Selective amount of plays for him. We were specific in what we were going to let him do. We got two big third down conversions out of him. On the second one, he opened up pretty good."
(on how Byron Leftwich and David Garrard are handling the current quarterback situation) "I don't really want to get into that today."
(did you know Marcus Stroud had a camera on the sideline?) "No, I did not know that. When I was advised of that, I promptly requested that they be put away immediately. That's a first."
http://www.jaguars.com/
It isn't that difficult:http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=1477
Fred Taylor suffered a mild hamstring pull in Week 8.
After rushing for 103 yards and a touchdown on 15 carries, the injury did not seem to hamper him. This is Fred Taylor, however, so his practice situation should be monitored. Rookie RB Maurice Jones-Drew could have a huge game in Week 9 against the Titans if Taylor is limited.
Source: Orlando Sentinel
Here's a link to the Orlando Sentinel article:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/foot...y?coll=orl-jags
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Thank you for the link and the blurb.
Odd that his injury was landing on the ball. And now its hammy issue.
Kudos to you. Thanks.
Odd that his injury was landing on the ball. And now its hammy issue.
Kudos to you. Thanks.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
By the way, if you don't have a subscription to FBG, you should.
This thread is a nice example of why.
We get news faster and more accurately than the rest.
This thread is a nice example of why.
We get news faster and more accurately than the rest.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Don`t ever question DaGuru... When I say it..it is gospel. It is insulting when people ask for a link from me!
Since I don`t know you.I will let you slide this time, but some infidels have received lifetime bans for disputing my teachings....
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Gospel. ?
Is that why you edited your original statement of him having one has a pulled hammy to a slight hammy pull?
Im just playin' with ya. Thanks for bringing some light to it.
I do wish it was as you originally stated, but its still a slight boon to MJD owners.
Is that why you edited your original statement of him having one has a pulled hammy to a slight hammy pull?
Im just playin' with ya. Thanks for bringing some light to it.
I do wish it was as you originally stated, but its still a slight boon to MJD owners.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The first thing I read was a possible pulled hammy, then the other one said slight pull. With Freddy though..there is no such thing as as slight.Gospel. ?
Is that why you edited your original statement of him having one has a pulled hammy to a slight hammy pull?
Im just playin' with ya. Thanks for bringing some light to it.
I do wish it was as you originally stated, but its still a slight boon to MJD owners.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
For those who did not see the game vs. Philly, FT looked awesome. He had a couple of runs that made me question who was actually running the ball. He looked like he did his first couple years in the league. He also had a 53 yard TD scamper called back. As a MJD owner, I was extremely impressed with FT.
The Football Freak
Footballguy
I'm a big Jags fan and watched the game start to finish. I remember catching a glimpse of him slightly massaging his (right I believe) hammy and hitting it a couple times with his fist while chatting with another player. He did come in later a few times and ripped off a 9 yarder that looked crisp, and he finished it off pushing. Just my .02, but I would just keep and eye on practices this week and feel fairly confident starting him if he doesn't seem too limited. He just didn't seem that hampered by it in that run, and he even threw in a couple blocks on one or two passing downs. It was just a few plays though.
As for MJD, he could have a good day too with the 20+ touches he gets. This was the first time MJD had looked quite this fumble prone, so unless it is duplicated next week I don't think it is an issue yet.
I think this team is trying to become a power running team ala The Steelers. It's going to be interesting to see who fits into that style of offense; a running Gerard or a gunslinger who may make more out of the limited throws he gets? I like my Jags this year!
As for MJD, he could have a good day too with the 20+ touches he gets. This was the first time MJD had looked quite this fumble prone, so unless it is duplicated next week I don't think it is an issue yet.
I think this team is trying to become a power running team ala The Steelers. It's going to be interesting to see who fits into that style of offense; a running Gerard or a gunslinger who may make more out of the limited throws he gets? I like my Jags this year!
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boubucarow
Footballguy
On the 53 yard TD run, I believe it was Brian Dawkins that had the angle on him towards the sidelines and Fred took it to another gear and blew by him. As stated, the burst he displayed was reminiscent of early Taylor.And of course he pulls a hammy.
It always amazes me when these guys really show off their athletic skills. Fred is amazing and just like every other athelete, only health and age prevents these guys from showcasing their talents on a regular basis. I look at guys like Westbrook and Fred Taylor and realize that they have the capability of turning it on any time they want but it comes at a price and that price is pain the next day when their wheels are falling off and it comes in the amount of time it takes for them to get their wheels back on pain free the next week. Fred put on a great show this week but it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up paying for it at some point.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Easy guys - Wimer was reporting what happened in the game - Taylor had a mild hamstring injury during the game. He went out for a ply or two, IIRC. He ran the rest of the game.Considering today is Tuesday, Taylor's practice reps this week are important. If he is not limited in practice, no big deal. If he ends up on the injury report as questionable and is limited in practice, it is something to keep an eye on.
You are both correct.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
On MJ-D, I have him in a league that rewards return yardage and he has been a MONSTER.
However, with his importance to the running game, he is not being used exclusively on KO returns any more.
I am hesitant about starting him as a RB2 in leagues that ar enot PPR or reward return yardage, but he may get his shot this week with TBell's problems.
Receiving MORE carries than Taylor last week is very encouraging to me. His numbers are solid RB2 numbers. I just find it unusual that the week he gets the most touches (minus return touches) on the year, he has the fewest fantasy points in a month.
However, with his importance to the running game, he is not being used exclusively on KO returns any more.
I am hesitant about starting him as a RB2 in leagues that ar enot PPR or reward return yardage, but he may get his shot this week with TBell's problems.
Receiving MORE carries than Taylor last week is very encouraging to me. His numbers are solid RB2 numbers. I just find it unusual that the week he gets the most touches (minus return touches) on the year, he has the fewest fantasy points in a month.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
Actually, when Freddy T got injured it was early in the third quarter and he only carried the ball twice the rest of the game. One carry for minus 1 and another for 9 yards. During that span, MJD carried the ball 15 times with A. Pearman carrying once. It was still a close game and the fact that Taylor wasn't in there after being so productive in the first half tells me that the guy had to be injured enough not to be able to stay productive.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Or they were protecting him b/c they knew he injured his hammy but they didn't know how badly - and M J-D was running as effectively as Taylor was running, so why risk it if he's hurting? The fact that they allowed him to try and run on it after he was injured means the team was not worried that he had a serious injury - his 9 yard run on first and ten is certainly a productive run.Flippin around on the dish, I didn't see every minute, so I wasn't accurate saying he "ran the rst of the game" but I did recall Freddie leaving the game, having his leg worked on, and I saw his 9 yard run in the fourth and he looked fine to me - I went on to a more interesting game.BTW, the play by play shows that Taylor injured himself on the first play of an early third q. drive, M J-D took over and ran well enough to burn the clock down to 6 minutes in the third, and the Eagles then chewed up almost the rest of the fourth quarter. The Jags allowed Taylor to test the hammie on the offensive series following his injury (a series that went from a minute left in the 3rd to 9 minutes left in the fourth and resulted in a 13-3 Jags lead). Taylor was allowed to again test it on the Jags' following offensive series - the Jags then, essentially, burned up the rest of the clock, allowed Philly 3 points out of their two-minute offense, and recovered the onside kick, thereby ending the game.Considering how well the Jags were running with M J-D, why would they risk Taylor aggravating a mild hammie strain into a serious injury?The Jags' handling of Taylor after he was injured can be interpreted in more than one way - and certainly not exclusively in the way you interpreted it:
Like I said, both arlingtonpark27 and BigSteelThrill are correct. He injured his hamstring. It was not a serious injury and it has not received much press. And Wimer is correct, as well - keep an eye on news about Taylor's practice sessions and be slightly concerned because hamstring injuries tend to linger.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
I didn't "interpret" anything one way or the other. I watched the entire game and merely stated that Taylor had to be injured enough to not be in almost the entire second half while the game was close. Nowhere did I say his injury was serious. The announcers stated that they were just stretching out his hammy on the sideline. He was obviously banged up enough to only carry the ball twice after the injury. The Jags certainly would not have sat Taylor if nothing was wrong. Either way, I'd say my statement was MUCH more accurate, then "he ran the rest of the game", which I was pointing out that he didn't. A small "my bad, I didn't actually watch the game" would have been sufficient on your part.
Other than that, you were right on!
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jrgeaumont
Footballguy
jrgeaumont
Footballguy
There's no questioning that statement.By the way, if you don't have a subscription to FBG, you should.This thread is a nice example of why.We get news faster and more accurately than the rest.
jrgeaumont
Footballguy
I have Jones-Drew on my roster. I was actually negotiating to acquire Fred Taylor for the Jag's stretch run. They have an extremely favorable remaining schedule with Tennessee twice, Houston and Indianapolis. I also want to say that two of those favorable games happen in Week 14 and Week 15 against Indianapolis and Tennessee respectively. If Fred Taylor is out with a mild hamstring pull, Jones-Drew becomes handsomely valuable.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
Going into last week he was the #11 RB Point Scorer in our league. So I sat Fred Taylor and played MJD.That kind of backfired, but this week I am playing them both against the Titans.
