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Let's talk Offensive Lines...you know...the guys that really make (1 Viewer)

I didn't realize Dockery had gone to the Bills.. He and Samuels really came on in WAS over the 2nd half of the season. Not sure why they decided to let him go.
The short answer as to why they let him go is 7 years, $49M, $18.5M guaranteed to an offensive guard who's never been to the Pro Bowl. Dockery got better as time went on and was a respectable in-line run blocker, but he was arguably the worst o-lineman on that unit, he often got beat by smaller d-linemen, he made mental mistakes and he was shaky pulling and blocking in space. I don't know in all candor whether Todd Wade, Whitworth, Lefotu or anyone else they're going to try there will be as good (or better!) but it's not like the guy was irreplaceable.
 
abrecher said:
Rovers said:
Objective homer reports are the only way to go.
If you can find 32 of these, I'd bet Joe Bryant would give you some serious cash.
Well, the key word is objective, and homer and objective are darn near mutually exclusive terms. Heck, even beat reporters lack objectivity. In NY, most of the beat reporters put a negative slant on things. Some homers seem to think an O lineman drafted in the sixth round will never pan out, although history flies in the face of that bias. On the other hand, many also bust. Atlanta had a good O line with mid to late draft picks. Other teams went for the "franchise LT" and that doesn't always pan out either. Frankly, I don't think the average fan has any clue as to how good an O lineman is. If Jason Taylor gets a sack, it's Ferguson's fault. It doesn't matter that Taylor stunted and beat Kendall inside.... the average fan will blame the guy they think is responsible, but often have no clue as to what happened on a given play. So, it goes beyond just being an objective homer, some understanding of line play is needed as well, and the average fan just doesn't understand it well enough to make a good judgement call in evaluating a team's O line. I have to watch most Jets games 2 or 3 times to get a good feel for what is happening, not just on the O line, but in all aspects of player performance on both sides of the ball.... and I'm admittedly an amateur. There are things I miss that coaching staffs won't. Line play is my pet project though, and I pay a lot of attention to it when I attend TC every year. That is one reason I like the Jets second year RT, Ed Blanton, who improved remarkably during TC last year. But how many homers, even amateur ones like me get to attend 6 or 7 TC's? And then watch the linemen? Offensive lines are, and will continue to be the hardest unit to evaluate on any team. What looks like a guy getting beat can often be a missed blocking assignment by another O lineman. Things like that we as fans will never know.... only the coaches who know what blocking assignments the center called on a given play, and who was responsible for a mistake. Sometimes it can be obvious, but often it isn't.
 
Here are my rankings of this year's offensive lines... it is always difficult to break down offensive line talent vs production because impact players such as Tomlinson and Manning can obviously have a huge impact on an OL's production... I really bumped up scheme and coaching this year while bumping down individual skill slightly...

The following rankings for each team have four categories (from left to right)

NAME

Overall Grade

RuGrade

PaGrade

Chicago………..A…..B+…..A

New England….A…..B……B+

Philadelphia…...A-….A-…..B+

Pittsburgh……...A-…A-…...B

San Diego……...A-…A……B

Jacksonville……A-…A+…..C+

Indianapolis……B+…B……A-

San Francisco….B+…B+…..B-

Cincinnati………B+…B……B

Minnesota………B….A-……C+

Denver………….B…..B+…..C+

Tennessee………B…..B…….B

Green Bay………B….C+…...B+

New Orleans……B….B……..B+

NY Jets…………B….B……..B

Carolina………...B….B……..B+

Washington……..B….B…….B

Baltimore……….B….B…….B+

Dallas…………...B….B+…...B

Tampa Bay……..B…..B…….B

NY Giants………B….B…….B

St. Louis………...B….A…….C+

Cleveland……….B….B…….B

Arizona…………B-…C+…...B

Atlanta ………….B….B+……C

Houston…………B-…B+…...C+

Buffalo………….C+…B…….C

Seattle…………..C+…C+……C

Kansas City…….C+….B…….C+

Detroit………….C+….C……..C

Miami…………..C-…..C-…….C-

Oakland…………D……D……D

The actual table in the article breaks down a number of other areas including depth, cohesion and experience as well...

Some of the more interesting seedings are ...

Tennessee and Green Bay - top twelve

Seattle and Kansas City - bottom five

Tennessee and Green Bay have very talented young offensive lines that played very well last season and should continue to improve...

On the flip side, Seattle and Kansas City are both once great units that are beginning to crumble. Especially in KC where the wheels are in serious danger of falling off altogether.

Always very difficult to grade OLs and without reading the writeups and gradings in other categories there may be some question marks here... I feel pretty good about these rankings though and I stand behind them for the most part as lots of research went into them including detailed stats, player movement (as in Cleveland and Buffalo), coaching changes (as in Arizona), scheme changes (as in Carolina) and overall player talent and depth...

Great thread here everyone!

 
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Here are my rankings of this year's offensive lines... it is always difficult to break down offensive line talent vs production because impact players such as Tomlinson and Manning can obviously have a huge impact on an OL's production... I really bumped up scheme and coaching this year while bumping down individual skill slightly...

The following rankings for each team have four categories (from left to right)

NAME

Overall Grade

RuGrade

PaGrade

Chicago A B+ A

New England A B B+

Philadelphia A- A- B+

Pittsburgh A- A- B

San Diego A- A B

Jacksonville A- A+ C+

Indianapolis B+ B A-

San Francisco B+ B+ B-

Cincinnati B+ B B

Minnesota B A- C+

Denver B B+ C+

Tennessee B B B

Green Bay B C+ B+

New Orleans B B B+

NY Jets B B B

Carolina B B B+

Washington B B B

Baltimore B B B+

Dallas B B+ B

Tampa Bay B B B

NY Giants B B B

St. Louis B A C+

Cleveland B B B

Arizona B- C+ B

Atlanta B B+ C

Houston B- B+ C+

Buffalo C+ B C

Seattle C+ C+ C

Kansas City C+ B C+

Detroit C+ C C

Miami C- C- C-

Oakland D D D

*** I will edit this trying to make it look better *** The real table to be used later also breaks down depth, cohesion and experience of each unit...
As is my penchant, I'll comment on the Jets. An overall B is just a wee bit generous, but I can go with that. Pass blocking gets a B+, run blocking a C+. I think a B- would be my rating. I'm not sure the B+ for pass blocking would hold up if the Jets used 5 and 7 step drops more often, but given how the offense runs now, with more 3 step drops, it's hard to argue. I still think Minny's O line is over rated. Hutchinson was great in Seattle, but he hasn't adapted that well to zone blocking and I think the Minny O line rep is living on his pro bowl years for the Hawks, while he has yet to show that sort of domination as a Viking.

As is usual it seems, the Giants O line is over rated as well. Yes, sometimes an RB can do great things behind an avergae O line, but Tiki is retired now. The pass blocking wasn't very good last year, but the loss of the very over rated Pettitgout won't hurt as much as some think it will.... but how well Diehl can step in remains to be seen at LT.

Dallas will be very disappointed with the fat boy that should be a guard......

 
I should point out that the overall grades are pretty high because as a whole, across the league, the starting five linemen are pretty decent. It is when injuries occur that the tiers really begin to widen due to some very questionable depth on some teams.

Many of the 'B' grades are teetering on the C+ border but I was feeling generous that day.

 
I should point out that the overall grades are pretty high because as a whole, across the league, the starting five linemen are pretty decent. It is when injuries occur that the tiers really begin to widen due to some very questionable depth on some teams.Many of the 'B' grades are teetering on the C+ border but I was feeling generous that day.
Interesting post Chris. The Cards have improved their depth but by league standards it's probably still below average...but still better than last year.
 
wdcrob said:
I'm wondering how much a big upgrade at RB helps an OL?
I don't know, let's ask Edgerrin James what happens when you put a great RB behind a horrible Offensive Line."Edgerrin, what happens when you take a great RB from behind a great line and put him behind a horrible offensive line?""Well, SSoG, it's simple. The great RB sets a career low in yards per carry (three point four!) and his replacements light the world on fire."
 
Buffalo has a much improved O-LinePeters at left tackle is solid, dockery at lg as well. Fowler is an average center that is another year into our system. I'm skeptical on Langston Walker at RT, I wish he plays RG and Pennington takes RT.Our depth decent enough.Much improved from last year.
We'll see. Moving Peters to LT was definitely the right move last season. And Dockery will definitely be an upgrade at LG. The right side of the line is still a large question mark and I still don't think that Fowler can hold up against the larger DTs. It's also going to take some time for the line to jell. I expect them to be below average at least for the first half of the season. They have the potential to be a good line, but it's all potential right now. I think that the offensive playcalling will actually affect things more than the O-line, especially early on. The Bills are going to open the offense up quite a bit and involve the RB in the passing game a bunch. Sometimes a change in playcalling can make a line look better or allow them to utilize their strengths more.
The OL will look much better now that the RB will be hitting the right holes and remembering the plays.The more diversified offense will also help immemsely.Not to mention that there will be huge upgrade in the talent from better players (Dockery and Walker) and more experience and strength(Pennington). Preston may surprise as well, but I think he is a backup.
 
Kansas City…….C+….B…….C+

Detroit………….C+….C……..C

Miami…………..C-…..C-…….C-

Oakland…………D……D……D
You know, I try hard not to fall into the "sky is falling" camp for Larry Johnson this year, but seeing rankings like this for that line (after so many years of dominance) makes me REALLY queasy about burning a top 3 pick on the guy. Add in the uncertainty at QB, and the specter of a campaign along the lines of Edge James 2006 starts to come to mind. Kansas City homers, how legitimate of a fear is this?
 
Here are my rankings of this year's offensive lines... it is always difficult to break down offensive line talent vs production because impact players such as Tomlinson and Manning can obviously have a huge impact on an OL's production... I really bumped up scheme and coaching this year while bumping down individual skill slightly...

The following rankings for each team have four categories (from left to right)

NAME

Overall Grade

RuGrade

PaGrade

Minnesota………B….A-……C+

Denver………….B…..B+…..C+

Tennessee………B…..B…….B

Green Bay………B….C+…...B+

New Orleans……B….B……..B+

NY Jets…………B….B……..B

Carolina………...B….B……..B+

Washington……..B….B…….B

Baltimore……….B….B…….B+

Dallas…………...B….B+…...B

Tampa Bay……..B…..B…….B

NY Giants………B….B…….B

St. Louis………...B….A…….C+

Cleveland……….B….B…….B
I realize of course that you have an article coming out on the subject, and that these grades may not be final, however the number of overall grades of "B" (not B+ or B-, etc.) is proportionally very large, and is by far the plurality. The trouble is that it makes all of the teams in this grade range very indistinct, and frankly I'm skeptical about how similar some of these teams really are. For example, Tampa is coming off of a year in which they had a truly miserable offense. While not all of that was the fault of the o-line to be sure, they've been given identical Overall, Rushing and Passing grades to the following teams: Giants; Washington; Cleveland; Jets; Tennessee. Ignoring the Rushing and Passing grades for a moment and simply focusing on the Overall grade, you have a big glut that doesn't allow for much differentiation.

I already addressed the Dallas-Washington comparison earlier in the thread re MOP's rankings, but here again Dallas is given a slightly higher grade despite having an inferior line the year before and adding only Leonard Davis to RG (along with a brand new coaching staff) while Washington has added only Todd Wade to LG and has the same coaching staff. Sticking with Washington as a point of reference, they gave up 13 fewer sacks than Carolina and rushed for 600 more yards; they also had a higher QB rating (despite starting Campbell for 7 games) though they passed for 250 fewer yards. Would you really rate Carolina's line slightly higher (B+ for pass protection vs. B) than Washington's?

I would submit that, to the extent teams with solid, established lines like Washington and Denver belong in this group at all, they should be at the top; teams with shaky lines that have lost key people, such as the Giants, should be ranked near the bottom of this group. It's not necessarily a surprise that there's difficulty in differentiating a large "middle class", but I think every effort needs to be made to assist FF owners in figuring out the difference between the 10th ranked o-line and the 23rd.

 
Seattle…………..C+…C+……CKansas City…….C+….B…….C+On the flip side, Seattle and Kansas City are both once great units that are beginning to crumble. Especially in KC where the wheels are in serious danger of falling off altogether.
Good overall post. Wow, how the recently mighty have fallen. Both lines were top 5 units two years ago are now being predicted as bottom 5 units.
 
I think the upside for this year is that they can be moderately better than last year.The downside, however, is that they can be monumentally worse.
I don't know about "monumentally." It's not as if it's the Chris Conrad/Jamain Stephens days.I assume they'll wind up middle of the pack overall because they'll still be suspect blocking for the pass.
 
Here are my rankings of this year's offensive lines... it is always difficult to break down offensive line talent vs production because impact players such as Tomlinson and Manning can obviously have a huge impact on an OL's production... I really bumped up scheme and coaching this year while bumping down individual skill slightly...

The following rankings for each team have four categories (from left to right)

NAME

Overall Grade

RuGrade

PaGrade

Minnesota………B….A-……C+

Denver………….B…..B+…..C+

Tennessee………B…..B…….B

Green Bay………B….C+…...B+

New Orleans……B….B……..B+

NY Jets…………B….B……..B

Carolina………...B….B……..B+

Washington……..B….B…….B

Baltimore……….B….B…….B+

Dallas…………...B….B+…...B

Tampa Bay……..B…..B…….B

NY Giants………B….B…….B

St. Louis………...B….A…….C+

Cleveland……….B….B…….B
I realize of course that you have an article coming out on the subject, and that these grades may not be final, however the number of overall grades of "B" (not B+ or B-, etc.) is proportionally very large, and is by far the plurality. The trouble is that it makes all of the teams in this grade range very indistinct, and frankly I'm skeptical about how similar some of these teams really are. For example, Tampa is coming off of a year in which they had a truly miserable offense. While not all of that was the fault of the o-line to be sure, they've been given identical Overall, Rushing and Passing grades to the following teams: Giants; Washington; Cleveland; Jets; Tennessee. Ignoring the Rushing and Passing grades for a moment and simply focusing on the Overall grade, you have a big glut that doesn't allow for much differentiation.

I already addressed the Dallas-Washington comparison earlier in the thread re MOP's rankings, but here again Dallas is given a slightly higher grade despite having an inferior line the year before and adding only Leonard Davis to RG (along with a brand new coaching staff) while Washington has added only Todd Wade to LG and has the same coaching staff. Sticking with Washington as a point of reference, they gave up 13 fewer sacks than Carolina and rushed for 600 more yards; they also had a higher QB rating (despite starting Campbell for 7 games) though they passed for 250 fewer yards. Would you really rate Carolina's line slightly higher (B+ for pass protection vs. B) than Washington's?

I would submit that, to the extent teams with solid, established lines like Washington and Denver belong in this group at all, they should be at the top; teams with shaky lines that have lost key people, such as the Giants, should be ranked near the bottom of this group. It's not necessarily a surprise that there's difficulty in differentiating a large "middle class", but I think every effort needs to be made to assist FF owners in figuring out the difference between the 10th ranked o-line and the 23rd.
Nice point :thumbdown: All the teams are graded and then ranked 1st to 32nd based on the criteria I set forth above. When you see the entire table plus read the write-up for each of the 32 teams, I am hopeful that the reasoning will be clear and accurate. I'm always interested in hearing other opinions on offensive lines however so once the article is posted to the site later on, feel free to break it down and tell me what I'm on my game and when I'm not.

 
Here are my rankings of this year's offensive lines... it is always difficult to break down offensive line talent vs production because impact players such as Tomlinson and Manning can obviously have a huge impact on an OL's production... I really bumped up scheme and coaching this year while bumping down individual skill slightly...

The following rankings for each team have four categories (from left to right)

NAME

Overall Grade

RuGrade

PaGrade

Chicago………..A…..B+…..A

New England….A…..B……B+

Philadelphia…...A-….A-…..B+

Pittsburgh……...A-…A-…...B

San Diego……...A-…A……B

Jacksonville……A-…A+…..C+

Indianapolis……B+…B……A-

San Francisco….B+…B+…..B-

Cincinnati………B+…B……B

Minnesota………B….A-……C+

Denver………….B…..B+…..C+

Tennessee………B…..B…….B

Green Bay………B….C+…...B+

New Orleans……B….B……..B+

NY Jets…………B….B……..B

Carolina………...B….B……..B+

Washington……..B….B…….B

Baltimore……….B….B…….B+

Dallas…………...B….B+…...B

Tampa Bay……..B…..B…….B

NY Giants………B….B…….B

St. Louis………...B….A…….C+

Cleveland……….B….B…….B

Arizona…………B-…C+…...B

Atlanta ………….B….B+……C

Houston…………B-…B+…...C+

Buffalo………….C+…B…….C

Seattle…………..C+…C+……C

Kansas City…….C+….B…….C+

Detroit………….C+….C……..C

Miami…………..C-…..C-…….C-

Oakland…………D……D……D

The actual table in the article breaks down a number of other areas including depth, cohesion and experience as well...

Some of the more interesting seedings are ...

Tennessee and Green Bay - top twelve

Seattle and Kansas City - bottom five

Tennessee and Green Bay have very talented young offensive lines that played very well last season and should continue to improve...

On the flip side, Seattle and Kansas City are both once great units that are beginning to crumble. Especially in KC where the wheels are in serious danger of falling off altogether.

Always very difficult to grade OLs and without reading the writeups and gradings in other categories there may be some question marks here... I feel pretty good about these rankings though and I stand behind them for the most part as lots of research went into them including detailed stats, player movement (as in Cleveland and Buffalo), coaching changes (as in Arizona), scheme changes (as in Carolina) and overall player talent and depth...

Great thread here everyone!
Some suggestions for further analysis of Olines that you may or may not have been incorporated:1. Total rushing/team ranked using weighted curve from previous seasons. 65% 2006 25% 2005 10% 2004 by yards/rushing attempt.

2. Team sacks allowed using weighted curve from previous seasons. 65% 2006 25% 2005 10% 2004.

3. Individual Olinemen given a 1-100 scale as run blockers. I have yet to find a reliable source for pancake blocks however so much of this would be speculation from reports.

4. Individual Olinemen given a 1-100 scale as pass blockers. Not sure this sites accuracy but they do list sacks allowed by Olinemen. http://shsdemo.stats.com/fb/players.asp

The individual grades would help with player movement as well as when looking at how injuries have affected past performance.

Your allready looking at scheme. Some players based on individual grades will be better suited to scheme than others. One example that I have looked at is the Carolina Oline which is composed mostly of smaller but mobile linemen should play better in ZBS than power oriented scheme. I have not looked at Atlanta's Oline in depth yet to determine how change in scheme may fit thier personal yet.

Is there more blocking schemes than ZBS and power? If so what are they?

Looking forward to seeing the article. Just adding my 2 pennys to ways I have approached this before. I have not had the time to go into it like this for a few years now but I know doing so in the past has given me pretty good results on modifiers for projections.

Having a Oline break down for each teams players from the SP could be useful discussion that may lead to better 1-100 grades for each player if posters think this might be a worthwhile exercise?

From linked site:

NFL Yards/Carries

Rank Team Yards/Carries

1 Atlanta Falcons 5.5

2 Jacksonville Jaguars 5.0

3 San Diego Chargers 4.9

4 San Francisco 49ers 4.9

5 Philadelphia Eagles 4.8

6 Tennessee Titans 4.7

7 New York Giants 4.7

8 Washington Redskins 4.5

9 Denver Broncos 4.4

10 St. Louis Rams 4.3

11 Kansas City Chiefs 4.2

12 Miami Dolphins 4.2

13 Pittsburgh Steelers 4.2

14 Dallas Cowboys 4.1

15 Minnesota Vikings 4.1

16 Indianapolis Colts 4.0

17 Seattle Seahawks 4.0

18 Houston Texans 3.9

19 Green Bay Packers 3.9

20 Oakland Raiders 3.9

21 New England Patriots 3.9

22 Carolina Panthers 3.9

23 Chicago Bears 3.8

24 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3.8

25 Buffalo Bills 3.7

26 Cincinnati Bengals 3.7

27 Detroit Lions 3.7

28 New Orleans Saints 3.7

29 Cleveland Browns 3.6

30 New York Jets 3.5

31 Baltimore Ravens 3.4

32 Arizona Cardinals 3.2

2005 NFL yards/carry from NFL.com:

Code:
Atlanta	4.8Denver	4.7Seattle	4.7New York (N)	4.7Kansas City	4.6San Diego	4.5Miami	4.3Chicago	4.3Washington	4.2Houston	4.2Cincinnati	4.2Pittsburgh	4New Orleans	4Tampa Bay	4St. Louis	4San Francisco	3.9Jacksonville	3.9Minnesota	3.9Philadelphia	3.9Buffalo	3.8Cleveland	3.8Tennessee	3.8Oakland	3.8Indianapolis	3.7Baltimore	3.6Detroit	3.6Dallas	3.6New York (A)	3.5Carolina	3.4New England	3.4Green Bay	3.4Arizona	3.2
2004 NFL yards/carry from NFL.com:
Code:
Atlanta	5.1Minnesota	4.7Kansas City	4.6New York (N)	4.5New York (A)	4.5Tennessee	4.5Seattle	4.5Philadelphia	4.4Detroit	4.4Denver	4.4St. Louis	4.3Indianapolis	4.3Green Bay	4.3San Diego	4.2Baltimore	4.2Cincinnati	4.2Jacksonville	4.1New England	4.1New Orleans	4Pittsburgh	4Oakland	4Buffalo	3.9Dallas	3.9Houston	3.9Chicago	3.8Tampa Bay	3.8Cleveland	3.8Carolina	3.7Washington	3.7Arizona	3.5San Francisco	3.5Miami	3.5
2006 sacks allowed
Code:
Oakland	72Detroit	63Cleveland	54St. Louis	49Seattle	49Pittsburgh	49Buffalo	47Atlanta	47Houston	43Minnesota	43Kansas City	41Miami	41Dallas	37Cincinnati	36Arizona	35San Francisco	35New York (A)	34Tampa Bay	33Carolina	32Denver	31Jacksonville	30New England	29Tennessee	29Philadelphia	28San Diego	28New York (N)	25Chicago	25Green Bay	24New Orleans	23Washington	19Baltimore	17Indianapolis	15
2005 sacks allowed
Code:
Houston	68Minnesota	54New York (A)	53Dallas	50San Francisco	48St. Louis	46Arizona	45Cleveland	45Oakland	45Buffalo	43Philadelphia	42Baltimore	42Tampa Bay	41New Orleans	41Atlanta	39Pittsburgh	32Kansas City	32Jacksonville	32San Diego	31Washington	31Detroit	31Chicago	31Tennessee	31New York (N)	28Carolina	28New England	28Seattle	27Green Bay	27Miami	26Denver	23Cincinnati	21Indianapolis	20
2004 sacks allowed
Code:
Chicago	66San Francisco	52New York (N)	52Miami	52Atlanta	50St. Louis	50Houston	49Minnesota	46Tampa Bay	44Tennessee	44Cleveland	41New Orleans	41Arizona	39Buffalo	38Washington	38Detroit	37Philadelphia	37Pittsburgh	36Dallas	36Baltimore	35Seattle	34Carolina	33Jacksonville	32Kansas City	32New York (A)	31Cincinnati	31Oakland	30New England	26San Diego	21Denver	15Green Bay	14Indianapolis	14
However I think it may be easier to just incorporate these factors into each teams projections rather than looking at Olines seperatly from the rest of thier team.
 
This was not intended to be the "MOP, look at what I know thread!"

Well that is good, because that would be a quick read. Great analysis as "I think they got some guys"....is really helpfull. :rolleyes:

 
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This was not intended to be the "MOP, look at what I know thread!" Well that is good, because that would be a quick read. Great analysis as "I think they got some guys"....is really helpfull. :rolleyes:

I apologize if this (^) was an attempt at using sarcasm to bust some chops...

However, I enjoy/respect MOP's RB articles and I often print them out and read them on the can. (insert visual here) In his original post..."Before I ever put together my big RB thread/article, I like to get some research done on the situations for all these players we will invest 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks into." He is not pretending to be an expert at o-line rankings and even admits that he needs help. ( I believe) No need for the insults.

Now, back to the o-line talk so I can print this out. I got some brownies cooking in the oven.

 
Some suggestions for further analysis of Olines that you may or may not have been incorporated:

1. Total rushing/team ranked using weighted curve from previous seasons. 65% 2006 25% 2005 10% 2004 by yards/rushing attempt.

2. Team sacks allowed using weighted curve from previous seasons. 65% 2006 25% 2005 10% 2004.

3. Individual Olinemen given a 1-100 scale as run blockers. I have yet to find a reliable source for pancake blocks however so much of this would be speculation from reports.

4. Individual Olinemen given a 1-100 scale as pass blockers. Not sure this sites accuracy but they do list sacks allowed by Olinemen. http://shsdemo.stats.com/fb/players.asp

The individual grades would help with player movement as well as when looking at how injuries have affected past performance.

Your allready looking at scheme. Some players based on individual grades will be better suited to scheme than others. One example that I have looked at is the Carolina Oline which is composed mostly of smaller but mobile linemen should play better in ZBS than power oriented scheme. I have not looked at Atlanta's Oline in depth yet to determine how change in scheme may fit thier personal yet.

Is there more blocking schemes than ZBS and power? If so what are they?

Looking forward to seeing the article. Just adding my 2 pennys to ways I have approached this before. I have not had the time to go into it like this for a few years now but I know doing so in the past has given me pretty good results on modifiers for projections.

Having a Oline break down for each teams players from the SP could be useful discussion that may lead to better 1-100 grades for each player if posters think this might be a worthwhile exercise?
:yes: This is a great post :gang1:

I'll look into adding previous seasons stats into the mix. For some of the teams (such as Cleveland) there has been so much turnover since the 2004 season that I'm not too sure it would be effective. For others with longevity on the line however... it could be a very good thing...

I already have my thoughts on all of the individual offensive lineman whom are starters as well as the top couple of reserves. However it is difficult to get a read on lineman unless you see a ton of them and I would certainly like the feedback. Perhaps I will try starting some OL threads to get feedback from the Sharks in the Pool to see what they can add!

Carolina's OLine is definitely well-suited to the move to a Zone scheme on paper. Once they get comfortable , it should really help them grow as a unit.

I'll see what I can add to the mix.

 
Weighted Team YPC averages 65% 2006 25% 2005 10% 2004

Atlanta 4.945

New York (N) 4.65

Denver 4.595

Seattle 4.58

Kansas City 4.56

San Diego 4.465

Cincinnati 4.15

Chicago 4.125

Minnesota 4.12

Philadelphia 4.115

Washington 4.105

St. Louis 4.105

Houston 4.095

Miami 4.09

Tennessee 4.065

Jacksonville 4.06

Pittsburgh 4.02

New Orleans 3.97

Tampa Bay 3.93

San Francisco 3.9

Indianapolis 3.88

Oakland 3.86

Buffalo 3.815

Detroit 3.81

Cleveland 3.78

New York (A) 3.75

Baltimore 3.73

Dallas 3.725

Green Bay 3.675

New England 3.625

Carolina 3.525

Arizona 3.275

Notes-

Atlanta is always high in YPC because of Vick and is changing blocking scheme. Maybe they mess up a good thing?

Giants no longer have Tiki Barber so a drop should be expected.

I was suprised to see New England so low and that perhaps should temper peoples expectations for Maroney somewhat.

I do believe New England and Caronlina have switched to ZBS to better compliment thier personel.

Arizona has a new definition of terrible. They will need a lot of improvement to not be the worst Oline once again. Expecting average from them would be a huge leap forward.

 
Atlanta with Vick is an exception in much the same way as Detroit was with Barry Sanders. While they certainly do certain things to better enable those players' unique ad libbing talents to take over, fundamentally the explosive nature of those rushing offenses had more to do with the player carrying the ball than with anything in particular the o-line was/is doing.

IMHO, a better read on Atlanta's o-line quality is to eliminate Vick's rushing numbers entirely and recalculate.

 
The Bucs could be a big sleeper in this category.

1st and 2nd round '06 picks Trueblood and Joseph have a year under their belt, will start from Day 1, and should obviously improve.

Aaron Sears is a mamoth bulldozing rookie who should start at LG and improve over last year's starter.

FA LT Luke Petigout was brought in to start at LT, moving last year's starter Davis to back up or LG back up.

The big ? is center, where John Wade is aging and will be pushed by former LG Dan Beunning.

Only time will tell...but I see every position improving from last year...and now the OL averages 6'5" and 320 pounds.

 
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Atlanta with Vick is an exception in much the same way as Detroit was with Barry Sanders. While they certainly do certain things to better enable those players' unique ad libbing talents to take over, fundamentally the explosive nature of those rushing offenses had more to do with the player carrying the ball than with anything in particular the o-line was/is doing. IMHO, a better read on Atlanta's o-line quality is to eliminate Vick's rushing numbers entirely and recalculate.
I agree with this and was thinking the same thing while I was doing it.Now how do I eliminate Tiki Barber from the Giants data and have any meaningful result? :eek:
 
The Bucs could be a big sleeper in this category.

1st and 2nd round '06 picks Trueblood and Joseph have a year under their belt, will start from Day 1, and should obviously improve.

Aaron Sears is a mamoth bulldozing rookie who should start at LG and improve over last year's starter.

FA LT Luke Petigout was brought in to start at LT, moving last year's starter Davis to back up or LG back up.

The big ? is center, where John Wade is aging and will be pushed by former LG Dan Beunning.

Only time will tell...but I see every position improving from last year...and now the OL averages 6'6" and 325 pounds.
Nice post and I am liking the prospects of the Tampa Oline moving forward to help Carnell Williams also. Would love to have some more background information on these players and how they stack up from scouting reports as they still are green when it comes to playing at this level.
 
I have never seen a really accurate way of grading an o-line. The best I've seen so far is Fantasy Football Prospectus, but even that falls short a little. One guys performance is linked so much to the performance of the guys next to him it's just really hard to rate.

 
I have never seen a really accurate way of grading an o-line. The best I've seen so far is Fantasy Football Prospectus, but even that falls short a little. One guys performance is linked so much to the performance of the guys next to him it's just really hard to rate.
Along the lines of Biakabreakable's thoughts, you should probably quantify the number of seasons each lineman has started on that line. Continuity is a big deal. Also, the number of years the current offensive scheme/coaching staff has been in place is likewise significant. These are significant considerations with teams like Cleveland which ostensibly now have some respectable levels of talent on their lines after aggressive offseason signings but which obviously cannot claim any particular unit cohesion at the moment.
 
The guys who talked about the Jets O-line are right on the money, IMO.

Ferguson- For a rookie playing LT, he did ok. However, he ws the #4 pick in the draft, and was vastly out-performed by a guy drafted more than a full round later (McNeil) That hurts. Like others have said, he has nice feet and is good in space, but really struggles against bull rushers. Some more weight would help, but i dont see him becoming a dominant run blocker.

Kendall- Old, but solid. Plays with good technique and gets ok push. If the jets cut him, they are dead. Not the most talented, but very important.

Mangold- Played as well as rookie center can be expected too. He's not strong enough to shove around big NT's, but he is just solid all around. He'll only get better. Should be a pro-bowler by 09.

Moore- a solid backup, but a lousy starter. I really, really, really wanted Justin Blalock at this spot (or Steinbach for that matter) He's just awful

Clement- same as moore. The guy just stinks. If he werent making so little money, he'd be hunting for a job. IMO, this right side of the line will keep the jets out of the playoffs this season. The left side should be better (assuming Kendall is around) but the right side just gives us nothing.

IMO, the jets really made a mistake not drafting a guard with one of the 2nd rounders. David Harris is a nice player, but i think a 2nd trade up was a MAJOR luxury move. The jets really needed a RG or RT, and they didnt get one. Unless a veteran becomes available on June first, i think the jets will continue to struggle to run the football.

 
The Browns OL

LT- Joe Thomas - Looks Like a winner, but only time will tell if he was worth #3 overall.

LG - Steinbach - Solid and can play tackle in a pinch.

C- Fraley/Bentley - In my opinion Fraley was the most consistent lineman on the roster last year. Bentley will make a decision on a second surgery by June 5th. Even if he's out this year, Fraley will be solid.

RG - Tucker/McKinney/Sowells My guess is that Tucker wins this one, but this will be one of the biggest fights in camp. Tucker will be even better at guard than tackle. He went to the Super Bowl at this spot with the Rams.

RT - Shaffer - this is where he should have been playing all along. He'll be solid here.

Depth- The Browns line has tons of depth this year and most of their lineman can play multiple positions. Butler and Freidman did well when thrown into the fire and McKinney is good enough to start.

Which brings us to the big problem, communication and continuity. Fraley is the only guy returning to the same position on the line as he played last year, and and he didn't even get a full season under his belt. They have a new offensive scheme to learn and have a new RB and possibly and new QB to block for. They are gonna have to adjust to all these things quickly to be effective.

 
I decided to cut and paste the info that will be used in the Team Report Section of the site. It was written a couple of weeks ago but not too much has changed since then...

This will help to make my Grades a little more obvious...

Arizona Cardinals

Projected Starters: LT Oliver Ross, LG Reggie Wells, C Al Johnson, RG Deuce Lutui, RT Levi Brown [r]

Key Backups: Mike Gandy, Milford Brown, Nick Leckey, Elton Brown, Brandon Gorin

Key Additions: C Al Johnson (Cowboys); OT Mike Gandy (Bills), OT Levi Brown [r], Russ Grimm (new offensive line coach)

Key Losses: C Alex Stepanovich(Bengals); OT Leonard Davis (Cowboys), G Chris Liwienski (Dolphins)

Over the past fifteen seasons, the Cardinals offensive line has never been able to elevate their play and develop into a strong unit. The tide may finally be turning with this group of guys. To start with, new OL coach Russ Grimm (formerly with the Steelers) is overseeing the unit. He is regarded as one of the finest offensive line coaches in the NFL today and he does have some talent on this roster to build around. At this time it appears that Oliver Ross will slot into the left tackle position. Ross played under Grimm with the Steelers and both are excited to be re-united. Reggie Wells had a very good 2006 season at right tackle but at this point it appears he may be destined to start at left guard, bringing stability to the left side of the ball. At center, newcomer Al Johnson, a free agent pickup from the Cowboys should earn the starting nod over Nick Leckey. 2nd-year player Deuce Lutui played well when called upon last season and should start at right guard while 1st round pick, Levi Brown from Penn State should slot into the starting right tackle position. The wildcard here is veteran Mike Gandy who can play inside at guard as well as outside at tackle. He could earn a starting job with a great camp. With decent depth including Milford Brown and Elton Brown, this group is headed in the right direction. Grimm will get a decent season out of this group and could be considered a team strength by 2008.

Atlanta Falcons

Projected Starters: LT Wayne Gandy, LG Justin Blaylock [r], C Todd McClure, RG Kynan Forney, RT Todd Weiner

Key Backups: Tyson Clabo P.J. Alexander, Toniu Fonoti, Frank Omiyale, Doug Datish

Key Additions: OG Justin Blaylock [r], OG Toniu Fonoti (Dolphins), C Doug Datish [r]

Key Losses: LG Matt Lehr (Buccaneers)

The Falcons have been one of the better offensive lines over the past several seasons. There isn’t a ton of individual talent here but good coaching and schemes in the past have allowed this group to shine. Alex Gibbs, considered one of the brightest OL coaches in the game today has moved on so there is a state of flux here in Atlanta. Wayne Gandy is now 36 years old and entering his 14th season. He was a great lineman at one time but he began to show his age last year and it’s only downhill from this point. He should have another season or two as a decent starting option for the club before heading out to pasture. The club lost starting guard Matt Lehr to the Buccaneers but filled the spot in a great way with the selected of big lineman, Justin Blaylock from Texas. He should slot in as a starter right out of the gate and become a rock for the club at left guard for the next decade. The other starters Todd McClure (an underrated center), Kynan Forney (a six-year starter) and Todd Weiner (a five-year starter) aren’t spectacular but are experienced and get the job done. Overall this is a pretty good unit. If Blaylock can slot in without missing a beat and Gandy’s tank hasn’t emptied out, this will be another solid season for this unit.

Baltimore Ravens

Projected Starters: LT Jonathon Ogden, LG Ben Grubbs [r], C Mike Flynn, RG Chris Chester, RT Adam Terry

Key Backups: Jason Brown, Brian Rimpf, Keydrick Vincent, Ikechuku Ndukwe, Marshall Yando [r]

Key Additions: OG Ben Grubbs [r], Marshall Yando [r]

Key Losses: OG Edwin Mulitalo (Lions), OT Tony Pashos (Jaguars)

You can hear the collective sign from Raven players, coaches and fans. Star LT Jonathon Ogden has agreed to come back for at least one more season. While not the player he once was, he is still one of the best tackles in the NFL and he brings stability to this unit which is in a state of transition. Aside from Ogden and center Mike Flynn who is one of the finer centers today, this group has been completely revamped from the past couple of years. However that is not necessarily a negative thing as the guys coming in have incredible athleticism and upside. At this point it appears that Adam Terry will start at right tackle. He filled in admirably for Ogden at the end of last season and he is a big, strong, talented kid who is the future left tackle for the team. Chris Chester started four games as a rookie last year and looked good. He may be the future center for the Ravens but should start at right guard this year. He has incredible athletic ability. Finally it appears that rookie Ben Grubbs from Auburn (a 1st round pick) should get the nod at left guard. He is tenacious with good power and athleticism and can dominate a football game. Other lineman such as Jason Brown and Keydrick Vincent provide excellent depth off of the bench. While it may take some time for this group to become cohesive, the talent here is staggering and this could be one of the best units in the NFL by season end. Great job of drafting lineman by the Ravens over the past few seasons give this unit a bright, long-term outlook.

Buffalo Bills

Projected Starters: LT Jason Peters, LG Derrick Dockery, C Melvin Fowler, RG Duke Preston, RT Langston Walker

Key Backups: Terrance Pennington, Jason Whittle, Brad Butler, Kirk Chambers

Key Additions: OG Derrick Dockery (Redskins), G/T Langston Walker (Raiders), C/OG Jason Whittle (Vikings)

Key Losses: OG Tutan Reyes (released), OG Chris Villarrial (released), OT Mike Gandy (Cardinals)

The Bills were only average at best last season but there is hope for this season as the club brought in three free agent players who should help strengthen this group. Leading the way is 3rd year starter Jason Peters who may be one of the most athletic linemen in the NFL. He is become a great cornerstone at left tackle and he is still improving. Center Melvin Fowler started all sixteen games a year ago and did a decent job. Duke Preston is an aggressive, tough interior lineman who started eight games a year ago. He should start at right guard. Newcomer Derrick Dockery has the natural ability to become one of the finer guards in the NFL. He has incredible size, surprising agility and at 26 years old is still improving. The Bills paid a ton to get him via free agency but he’s worth it. Finally expect huge Langston Walker to start at the right tackle spot. He started all sixteen games for the Raiders last year but was only adequate. At 345 pounds, he is a huge man but doesn’t have the athleticism or tenacity to dominate the way his size and talent indicates should be possible. Looking at the starting unit, it seems that Walker is the key to the possible success in 2007. If he can play well, the unit has the talent to have a pretty strong season. With the addition of Dockery and the continued growth of Peters, this will be the best offensive line performance by the Bills in a while.

Carolina Panthers

Projected Starters: LT Travelle Wharton, LG Mike Wahle, C Geoff Hangartner, RG Evan Mathis, RT Jordan Gross

Key Backups: Ryan Kalil [r], Jeremy Bridges, Justin Hartwig, Will Montgomery

Key Additions: C Ryan Kalil [r]

Key Losses: none

This is a tough year to project the Panthers fortunes when it comes to the offensive line. The good thing is the starting five lineman return from last year although Wharton was hurt in game one and missed the entire season. When healthy, Wharton had a very good 2005 season and should return to that level. On the other side, Gross hasn’t missed a game in his four seasons and is a good right tackle. He has never become the dominant lineman the club anticipated though when he was drafted. At center Geoff Hangartner started fifteen games a year ago when Justin Hartwig went down with injury and did a good job. He’ll battle veteran Justin Hartwig and rookie Ryan Kalil for the starting position. Kalil has great potential and phenomenal technique coming out of college. Evan Mathis was a first year starter in 2006 and did a pretty good job. He has good athletic ability and should continue to grow as a player. Mike Wahle is a long-time starter in the NFL and is going into his third season with the Panthers. He is a good, reliable lineman who still has several years left as a starter. The question mark this season is the Panthers shift to a zone-blocking scheme. At this point it is unknown how well this unit will adapt to the change but the starting five does appear to be well suited for this type of blocking scheme thanks to the athleticism and quickness along the group Look for an improvement for this unit in 2007.

Chicago Bears

Projected Starters: LT John Tait, LG Ruben Brown, C Olin Kreutz, RG Roberto Garza, RT Fred Miller

Key Backups: John St. Clair, Terrence Metcalf, Josh Beekman [r]

Key Additions: Josh Beekman [r]

Key Losses: none

The Bears offensive line was outstanding in 2006 and with the starting five all returning you can expect more of the same this season. Olin Kreutz is one of the best centers in the NFL and has missed just one game over six years. Roberto Garza stepped into the starting role at right guard and played extremely well. Fred Miller is a 12-year vet who has missed just two games in nine seasons and both John Tait and Ruben Brown are veteran players who are excellent blockers. With good depth in Terrence Metcalf and John St. Clair and a good rookie prospect in Josh Beekman who can play both center and guard, this will be another outstanding season for the Bears offensive line.

Cincinnati Bengals

Projected Starters: LT Levi Jones, LG Andrew Whitworth, C Eric Ghiaciuc, RG Bobbie Williams, RT Willie Anderson

Key Backups: Scott Kooistra, Stacy Andrews, Alex Stepanovich, Ben Wilkerson, Dan Santucci [r]

Key Additions: C Alex Stepanovich (Cardinals), OG Dan Santucci [r]

Key Losses: OG Eric Steinbach (Browns), C Rich Braham (retired)

The Bengals offensive line was one of the best in the NFL going into last season but has had some change to deal with since then. First of all, long-time center Rich Braham has retired so 3rd-year pro Eric Ghiaciuc, who started thirteen games last year will get the nod as the starting center. Of more concern is the loss of left guard Eric Steinbach to the Browns. Steinbach is one of the top guards in football and it will be difficult to replace him. It appears the job will go to 2nd-year player Andrew Whitworth who started 13 games as a rookie at both guard and tackle last year. He has a ton of talent and if he can make the transition to the interior of the offensive line, he should have a great career. The other positions are in great shape with three excellent veteran players. Levi Jones missed eleven games with injury last year and his absence hurt the club. He is a very good left tackle. Right tackle is 12th year starter Willie Anderson who is an incredible talent. Bobbie Williams isn’t flashy at right guard but he is very effective. As far as depth goes, young players such as Stacy Andrews and Ben Wilkerson are unproven but have talent. The loss of Braham and Steinbach hurts but this is still a very strong unit going forward.

Cleveland Browns

Projected Starters: LT Joe Thomas, LG Seth McKinney, C Hank Fraley, RG Eric Steinbach, RT Ryan Tucker

Key Backups: Kevin Shaffer, Lennie Friedman, Kelly Butler, Nat Dorsey

Key Additions: OG Eric Steinbach (Bengals), OG/C Seth McKinney (Dolphins), OT Joe Thomas [r], Steve Marshall (OL Coach)

Key Losses: Joe Andruzzi (released)

This unit has been completely overhauled over the past couple of years and deservedly so as it was putrid. However the pieces are starting to fit together and the future looks promising for the first time. Two huge additions are offering that promise going forward. The first addition is the free agent acquisition of Eric Steinbach from the Bengals. He is one of the best linemen in football and he is a massive upgrade for the team. Secondly, the Browns used the 3rd pick in the draft to select talented left tackle Joe Thomas who appears ready to immediately step in and become the cornerstone of the unit for the next fifteen years. He’s that good. Hank Fraley brought experience and leadership to the middle of the line last year, Seth McKinney is a dependable veteran guard and Ryan Tucker is a good right tackle if he can stay healthy. Kevin Shaffer and Lennie Friedman provide great veteran depth if they’re needed although Shaffer is asking for a trade because Joe Thomas was taken in the draft. The Browns offensive line is shooting up the ranks. Expect an improvement in 2007 and great things by 2008.

Dallas Cowboys

Projected Starters: LT Flozell Adams, LG Kyle Kosier, C Andre Gurode, RG Marco Rivera, RT Leonard Davis

Key Backups: Marc Colombo, Doug Free [r], James Marten [r], Joe Berger, Pat McQuistan, Jim Molinaro

Key Additions: OT Leonard Davis (Cardinals), OT Jim Molinaro (Redskins), OT James Marten [r], OT Doug Free [r]

Key Losses: C Al Johnson (Cardinals), OG Marco Rivera (likely), OT Jason Fabini (Washington)

There is no question the Cowboys have the largest tandem at tackle in the NFL today. Flozell Adams and Leonard Davis are huge men. At over 700 pounds between them, they block out the sun but can they dominate a football game. That hasn’t proven true consistently for either player although Adams has had more glimpses of greatness throughout his career. After a few disappointing seasons, Adams had a much better 2006 season. He is a dominant run blocker when he’s on the top of his game. Davis is durable and dependable but hasn’t become a dominating tackle in the NFL. Still he is a big upgrade for the Cowboys at right tackle and he’ll make this unit better. Marco Rivera is a good veteran guard but is coming off injury and may not be back with the club. If he doesn’t return an open competition will take place at training camp. Kyle Kosier is able to slot in anywhere along the offensive line but should start at guard and Andre Gurode has become a dependable center. The Cowboys draft Doug Free from Northern Illinois and he offers promise for the future with good athleticism. He may slot into guard as the club also drafted James Marten who is best suited as a tackle. This is a good unit but not a great one. If Rivera doesn’t return there is a possible weak link at right guard unless somebody such as Joe Berger or E.J. Whitley can surprise and that will hurt this unit’s overall performance.

Denver Broncos

Projected Starters: LT Matt Lepsis, LG Ben Hamilton, C Tom Nalen, RG Montrae Holland, RT Erik Pears

Key Backups: Chris Kuper, Greg Eslinger, Adam Meadows, Ryan Harris [r]

Key Additions: OG Montrae Holland (Saints), OT Ryan Harris [r]

Key Losses: OT George Foster (Lions-trade), G Cooper Carlisle

The Broncos offensive line has gone through some changes this season but the scheme and players returning should keep this unit functioning well. Out this season our former starters George Foster and Cooper Carlisle although both struggled last season. In for those players this season is Montrae Holland at right guard and Erik Pears at right tackle if he beats out veteran Adam Meadows in training camp. Pears started ten games for the club last year and held his own. He may be best suited at left tackle but he should be able to beat out Meadows to start this year. Holland is an intriguing signing and could be an upgrade for the team. He has 30 career starts and appears to be well-suited to this scheme. Veteran Matt Lepsis was injured for the first time in his career last season and the team missed his experience. Left guard Ben Hamilton is undersized at only 283 pounds but has superlative technique and gets the job done. Center Tom Nalen is the leader of this group and is still playing at a high level despite being 36 years old. The Broncos are blessed with young, talented backups including Chris Kuper, Greg Eslinger and rookie Ryan Harris so the future is bright. It isn’t a guarantee but the players jumping into a starting role may be more talented than those that left. It may take awhile to come together as a group for the promise is there for another strong season.

Detroit Lions

Projected Starters: LT Jeff Backus, LG Damien Woody, C Dominic Raiola, RG Edwin Mulitalo, RT George Foster

Key Backups: Jonathon Scott, Manuel Ramirez, Rex Tucker

Key Additions: OG Edwin Mulitalo (Ravens), George Foster (Broncos-trade), Manuel Ramirez [r]

Key Losses: OG Rick DeMulling (Colts)

The Lions completely overhauled their offensive line this season which was a good idea considering how poorly it performed in 2006. However it remains to be seen whether the three veteran players brought in will be able to come together on the field and help this unit improve. George Foster was a promising tackle for the Broncos a few years ago but fell apart over the past couple of years which led to his departure. Still he should be an upgrade for the Lions and his upside is considerable. He may be pushed by 2nd-year tackle Jonathon Scott who struggled as a rookie but is big and athletic. The Lions will start two new guards in 2007 with the arrival of Zach Piller from the Titans and Edwin Mulitalo of the Ravens. Piller is a good starting lineman when healthy but has missed two of the past three seasons due to injury. Mulitalo was a good player a few years back but poor conditioning and work ethic have eroded his play on the field. If committed he is a dependable guard. Jeff Backus is a great left tackle surrounded by questionable talent. This could be a better season for the Lions offensive line or it could be a disappointing one. It all depends on Piller’s health, Foster’s commitment and Mulitalo’s conditioning. At least there is some promise for 2007 unlike years past.

Green Bay Packers

Projected Starters: LT Chad Clifton, LG Daryn Colledge, C Scott Wells, RG Jason Spitz, RT Mark Tauscher

Key Backups: Tony Moll, Junius Coston, Kevin Barry, Allen Barbre [r]

Key Additions: T/G Allen Barbre [r]

Key Losses: none

The Packers brass deserves big props for their 2006 draft that saw them bring aboard three talented players, all of whom started a number of games. What appeared to be a weakness going into 2006 is now fast becoming a strength in 2007. 2nd-year player Jason Spitz started thirteen games last season and had an exceptional rookie campaign. He surprised everybody with his poised play and tremendous technique. Daryn Colledge was also a rookie who stepped in a year ago and improved as the season wore on. He and Spitz are the future of this group. Left tackle Chad Clifton does well in all aspects of the game although he could be more explosive at the point of attack. Tauscher has been a starter since the 2000 season and has both heart and aggression that helps make up for marginal athletic ability. Wells, a fourth-year player came into his own at center a year ago and became a strong starter. What a difference a season can make. It was clear the talent was there for this unit to become a really good group but nobody expected the young players to develop so quickly. Expect more improvement and a good season in 2007.

Houston Texans

Projected Starters: LT Ephraim Salaam, LG Chester Pitts, C Mike Flanagan, RG Fred Weary, RT Eric Winston

Key Backups: Charles Spencer (serious knee injury could derail promising career), Jordan Black, Steve McKinney, Brandon Frye [r]

Key Additions: OT Jordan Black (Chiefs), OT Brandon Frye [r], OG Casey Studdard [r]

Key Losses: OG Zach Wiegert (released)

The Texans offensive line looked improved at times last season but more work needs to be done. Promising 2nd-year player Charles Spencer is still fighting his knee injury that could derail his career before it got going. Winston started 7 games as a rookie a year ago and had some really good moments. He has incredible natural ability and athleticism and he should develop into a great tackle. Chester Pitts has started every game for the Texans over the past five seasons and continues to improve. Pitts will always be a liability in pass protection but he is a mauler in the rushing attack. Fred Weary started 12 games a year ago and played well. Flanagan played well last year but missed seven games due to injury. Steve McKinney filled in during his absence and both are capable centers. There is a big question mark at left tackle right now. It appears that veteran Ephraim Salaam will get the nod but he is a stop-gap solution. Free agent signing Jordan Black will also be in the running to start at tackle. With a healthy Spencer, I would have liked this unit to surprise with a very strong season but the question mark at left tackle cannot be overlooked. If that position is stabilized, the rest of the starting group is talented enough to have a productive season.

Indianapolis Colts

Projected Starters: LT Tarik Glenn, LG Ryan Lilja, C Jeff Saturday, RG Jake Scott, RT Ryan Diem

Key Backups: Tony Ugoh [r], Dylan Gandy, Charlie Johnson, Rick DeMulling

Key Additions: OG Rick DeMulling (Lions), OT Tony Ugoh [r]

Key Losses: none

This starting unit features a couple of great linemen in left tackle Tarik Glenn and center Jeff Saturday. Both are near the top of their positions in the NFL. The other three linemen aren’t overly talented, but play with heart, brains and have become part of a very good offensive line. Among the more cohesive units in football, this group continues to grow each season. Having Peyton Manning under center certainly helps but this unit is making big strides in run blocking over the past couple of seasons. Backup guard Dylan Gandy started eleven games for Lilja a year ago and may compete for the starting position this year. He also backs up Saturday at center. The Colts drafted talented tackle Tony Ugoh in this year’s draft and he has the talent to become a star down the road. Finally Rick DeMulling was brought back to the fold after a couple of seasons in Detroit and he brings great experience to a backup role. Expect more of the same for this offensive line in 2007.

Jacksonville Jaguars

Projected Starters: LT Khalif Barnes, LG Vince Manuwai, C Brad Meester, RG Chris Naeole, RT Maurice Williams

Key Backups: Stockar McDougle, Tony Pashos, Dennis Norman, Uche Nwaneri [r]

Key Additions: OT Tony Pashos (Ravens), OG Uche Nwaneri [r]

Key Losses: none

There is a lot of talent on offensive line for the Jaguars but some questions that still need to be answered. Khalif Barnes, a 3rd-year pro has become a fixture at left tackle and should continue to improve. There will be a battle at right tackle between incumbent starter Maurice Williams and free agent acquisition Tony Pashos. The club has been a little disappointed in Maurice Williams as of late and Pashos will be given every opportunity to win the job. Right now it is 50/50 as to who will emerge as the starting right tackle but Williams is the more talented of the two. Vince Manuwai is a very good guard who has missed only two starts over the past four seasons. He is very dependable at left guard. Chris Naeole starts at the other guard position. He isn’t flashy but has only missed two games in the last nine years and is also a dependable player. Finally at center, Brad Meester is a great player who is the leader of this group. The depth in Jacksonville is very good with a good veteran base to draw from. The Jaguars have the makings of a tremendous line and were one of the better run blocking units last season. Expect more of the same from this group in 2007.

Kansas City Chiefs

Projected Starters: LT Damion McIntosh, LG Brian Waters, C Casey Wiegmann, RG John Welbourn, RT Chris Terry

Key Backups: Rudy Niswanger, Kevin Sampson, Tre Stallings, Chris Bober, Herbert Taylor [r]

Key Additions: OT Damion McIntosh (Dolphins), OT Herbert Taylor [r]

Key Losses: OT Jordan Black (Texans), Kyle Turley (released), OG Will Shields (retired)

How the mighty have fallen. Once the class of the entire NFL, this unit now looks like an average group at best. At center Casey Wiegmann is getting long in the tooth but has started 95 straight games for the Chiefs and he’ll do a good job again in 2007. Of concern to the Chiefs though is speculation that he may choose to retire this season. Nothing has been decided as of yet but if he does, this unit may collapse. Brian Waters is an excellent left guard. If Wiegmann were to retire, Waters could slot into center. At right tackle it appears that Chris Terry will start. He has 80 career starts in the NFL but is just an adequate starting lineman who is in some trouble after failing to appear at a court hearing near the end of April. The Chiefs paid big bucks to sign Damion McIntosh. He does solidify the left side of the line but he isn’t an elite lineman despite being paid as such. He’ll do a good job but won’t dominate football games. At right guard, there will be a battle between veteran John Welbourn and Chris Bober. Training camp will determine who wins that battle. Two interesting young guards are Tre Stallings and Rudy Niswanger who have talent as well as size and could compete at right guard as well. Also 4th year tackle Kevin Sampson may get an opportunity at right tackle if Terry falters. This unit is not nearly as strong as it was a couple of seasons ago. Best case prognosis is middle of the pack and if Wiegmann retires, this could turn into a disaster.

Miami Dolphins

Projected Starters: LT Anthony Alabi, LG Rex Hadnot, C Samson Satele [r], RG L.J. Shelton, RT Vernon Carey

Key Backups: Joe Toledo, Chris Liwienski, Mike Rosenthal

Key Additions: OG Chris Liwienski (Cardinals), Mike Rosenthal, C Samson Satele[r]

Key Losses: OT Damion McIntosh (Chiefs), OG/C Seth McKinney (Browns), OG Toniu Fonoti (Falcons), OG Jeno James

It is really difficult to project the Dolphins starting five at this time. Hudson Houck is a talented coach but he can only do so much. Talk about a unit in a state of flux. It appears at this time that the starting unit will look like this although many combinations are still possible. It appeared likely that Red Hadnot would start at center and he still may but with the Dolphins drafting talented center Samson Satele from Hawaii in the second round, he’ll likely get a shot if he has a good training camp. Satele is quick and athletic and a natural center. That will allow Hadnot to slot into guard where he is experienced. He isn’t a great talent but he is gritty, plays hard and is improving. L.J. Shelton could slot in a left tackle but he’s always struggled there and his lack of quickness makes him a better fit at right guard. Vernon Carey has come into his own over at right tackle and he will continue to improve. He is the best lineman on the roster now. Finally at left tackle it appears right now that it is Anthony Alabi’s job to lose. He struggled in mini-camp but the club likes his ability. Joe Toledo is a talented 2nd-year kid whom the Dolphins like a great deal and could emerge as a starter. Finally both Chris Liwienski and Mike Rosenthal are veteran players who aren’t flashy but can do the job if called upon. There are simply too many question marks here to expect a great year.

Minnesota Vikings

Projected Starters: LT Bryant McKinnie, LG Steve Hutchinson, C Matt Birk, RG Artis Hicks, RT Marcus Johnson

Key Backups: Ryan Cook, Anthony Herrera

Key Additions: none

Key Losses: OG/C Jason Whittle (Bills), OT Mike Rosenthal (released)

Here is a unit with the talented to be great but didn’t manage to put it all together a year ago. Bryant McKinnie is a cornerstone at left tackle for the Vikings but his play on the field has never been able to match his incredible potential. He really should be a perennial Pro Bowler but until he produces on a consistent, dominant basis he’ll just be a good and not great player. Steve Hutchinson however is a star player. Hutchinson didn’t have his best season in his first year in Minnesota but still was very good and should return back to his dominant form this year. Matt Birk made the Pro Bowl again last year and deservedly so as he is an elite center. Artis Hicks was picked up last year and started fourteen games for the Vikings. He isn’t a great player but he dependable and is a powerful run blocker. Finally at right tackle it will be a battle between two young players. 3rd-year player Marcus Johnson started 10 games a season ago but was only adequate. He took too many holding penalties and is beat too often around the edge. Still he is young and improving and he may develop into a good starter. The other option is 2nd-year lineman Ryan Cook who is a center in a tackle’s body. He has good range and may beat out Johnson with a good camp. This has the makings of an elite unit if everyone plays up to their potential. Rookie RB Adrian Peterson will be happy he runs behind this unit.

New England Patriots

Projected Starters: LT Matt Light, LG Logan Mankins, C Dan Koppen, RG Steve Neal, RT Nick Kaczur

Key Backups: Wesley Britt, Billy Yates, Ryan O'Callaghan, Russ Hochstein

Key Additions: Corey Hilliard [r]

Key Losses: none

The Patriots offensive line has developed into one of the best groups in football. The addition of Logan Mankins two seasons ago really put this group over the top and this unit is one of the best in the NFL. They play very well as a unit, each is very intelligent and the scheme is an exceptional one. The best lineman is probably Matt Light who is not overpowering but athletic with sound technique. The guard position is in great shape with Mankins becoming a top-tier guard and Neal being a gritty, hard-nosed blocker. Dan Koppen is dependable at the center position and likely one of the best playing the position today. The only real question mark is at right tackle. Nick Kaczur is the weak link of this unit. He is an average starter at best and can be overpowered at the point of attack. He’ll be pushed by 2nd-year giant Ryan O’Callaghan who is 6’7, 330 pounds and played very well when given the opportunity a year ago. He isn’t the most mobile lineman but has good power and his upside is enormous. All in all this is a very good offensive line and it will be more of the same in 2007.

New Orleans Saints

Projected Starters: LT Jammal Brown, LG Jamar Nesbit, C Jeff Faine, RG Jahri Evans, RT Jon Stinchcomb

Key Backups: Jonathon Goodwin, Zach Strief, Andy Alleman [r]

Key Additions: OG Andy Alleman [r], OT Jermon Bushrod [r]

Key Losses: OG Montrae Holland (Broncos);

The Saints team surprised a season ago and that charge was led by the Saints offensive line that played much better than anticipated. Everybody knew that Jammal Brown was a very talented individual and last year he became dominant. He was simply incredible and is still coming into his own. He may be considered the best young lineman in the NFL today. Jeff Faine always had the talent to be a great center but simply could not stay healthy. However last year he was able to stay on the field and he had a very strong season. Jon Stinchcomb is another player who came into 2006 with a ton of talent but an inability to escape the injury bug. Last year however he was healthy and he was a pleasant surprise for the Saints. Jamar Nesbit is a veteran guard who brings experience and technique to the table. He isn’t a star but had a very good season in 2006 and should be reliable again this year. Finally Jahri Evans was a huge surprise as a first year starter a season ago. The Saints drafted Andy Alleman from Akron and in a season or two, he may turn out to be a very good player. This unit came together in a big way a season ago and the only thing that can derail them this year is if injury woes return to Faine and Stinchcomb.

New York Giants

Projected Starters: LT David Diehl, LG Gray Ruegamer, C Shaun O’Hara, RG Chris Snee, RT Kareem McKenzie

Key Backups: Guy Whimper, Rich Seubert Adam Koets

Key Additions: OT Adam Koets [r]

Key Losses: OT Luke Petitgout (Buccaneers)

The Giants lost long-time starter at left tackle Luke Petitgout to the Buccaneers. He was a leader of the unit and he’ll be missed. However he had been fighting injury problems over the past couple of seasons and hadn’t been as effective as in years past. It appears that David Diehl will move from left guard to start at the left tackle position and he has the ability to make that transition. The team did draft Adam Koets from Oregon State and his upside is considerable. However it is doubtful he’ll be ready to start in 2007. Kareem McKenzie is a fixture at right tackle. He is a big man who plays with a chip on his shoulder on every play. He punishes the defender across from him and is an aggressive run blocker. His pass blocking isn’t tremendous but he gets the job done. Chris Snee is an underrated guard who is one of the best run blockers in football. He is aggressive and never quits on a play. Shaun O’Hara is the leader of the group and is an above-average player. Finally it appears that Gray Ruegamer, a veteran with only 17 career starts slides into left tackle although he’ll be pushed in camp by several players. It’s one thing to let a player like Petitgout leave because there is someone ready to take over but that wasn’t the case in New York. Diehl will cover the spot well but he was a force at guard and nobody is going to replace what he brought to the table. Expect a bit of a drop off in 2007.

New York Jets

Projected Starters: LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, LG Pete Kendall, C Nick Mangold, RG Brandon Jones, RT Adrian Jones

Key Backups: Adrian Clarke, Wade Smith, Anthony Clement, Jacob Bender

Key Additions: OT Jacob Bender [r]

Key Losses: C Trey Teague (released)

The New York Jets were in a transition period last year with two rookies in the starting group. D’Brickashaw Ferguson started all sixteen games but struggled during his rookie campaign. He even struggled in pass protection which was his strength coming out of school. He must play better this season but being so young, he'll likely improve significantly in 2007. Fellow rookie in 2006, center Nick Mangold also stepped in and played in all sixteen games. However he stepped in like a seasoned vet and established himself as one of the best young centers in the game. Adrian Jones didn’t start a game last season but should step back into the right tackle spot this season unless veteran Anthony Clement has a tremendous camp. Brandon Moore has been a dependable right guard for years. He is athletic and plays with passion. Pete Kendall is the grizzled, old-beard of the group entering his 12th season but he is still a good starter at guard and brings experience and leadership to the table. There is pretty good depth here and the team drafted a project tackle in Jacob Bender who dominated 1-AA and has incredible athleticism. This unit should continue to improve throughout the year.

Oakland Raiders

Projected Starters: LT Robert Gallery, LG Paul McQuistan, C Jake Grove, RG Cooper Carlisle, RT Cornell Green

Key Backups: Jeremy Newberry, Chad Slaughter, Kevin Boothe, Mario Henderson [r]

Key Additions: C Jeremy Newberry (49ers), OG Cornell Green (Buccaneers), OG Cooper Carlisle, OT Mario Henderson [r]

Key Losses: OT Langston Walker (Bills)

The Raiders offense was horrendous last year and the offensive line was as much to blame as the rest of the offensive unit. Robert Gallery at left tackle continues to be an enigma. He has the athleticism and talent to dominate defenses but he continues to be average at best. He only played in ten games last season, allowed one sack per game, took too many penalties and struggled in the running game. He must do better going forward. Paul McQuistan had his moments last year in his six starts but he is still raw. He is tenacious and plays with a ton of heart and will get better with experience. 4th year center Jake Grove is talented but also struggled last year and will have to have a good training camp to hold off veteran, free agent Jeremy Newberry. Cooper Carlisle was brought in from Denver and hopefully he’ll bring confidence to the group. He isn’t a great player but should help stabilize the right side. At this point right tackle is unclear. Cornell Green is in the running as is rookie tackle Mario Henderson from Florida State. This will be another painful year for this unit but if the young talent can develop, there is hope for the future.

Philadelphia Eagles

Projected Starters: LT William Thomas, LG Todd Herremans, C Jamaal Jackson, RG Shawn Andrews, RT Jon Runyan

Key Backups: Winston Justice, Max Jean-Gilles, Scott Young

Key Additions: none

Key Losses: none

The Eagles will likely be starting the same five linemen as a year ago and this is an above-average group. William Thomas is heading into his 10th season for the Eagles and he is still performing at a high level at left tackle. When the time comes, 2nd-year Winston Justice will step in and the Eagles won’t miss a beat but that won’t happen for awhile. Shawn Andrews played all sixteen games once again in 2006 and improved significantly over his prior season. His weight is under control and he is becoming a terrific player. He made the Pro Bowl last season and deservedly so. On the other side, Todd Herremans started all sixteen games and played well. He isn’t an elite blocker but he fits in nicely and should start again. Pushing him may be talented 2nd-year player Max Jean-Gilles who has impressed coaches on the practice field. Jamaal Jackson won the starting center job and did a great job in his first full season as the starter. Finally Jon Runyan, who hasn’t missed a start in ten straight seasons, will get the nod at right tackle. Expect another great season from this group in 2007.

Pittsburgh Steelers

Projected Starters: LT Marvel Smith, LG Alan Faneca, C Sean Mahan, RG Kendall Simmons, RT Max Starks

Key Backups: Chris Kemoeatu, Willie Colon, Cameron Stephenson [r], Chukky Okobi,

Key Additions: OG/C Sean Mahan (Buccaneers), OG Cameron Stephenson[r]

Key Losses: C Jeff Hartings

The Steelers lost center Jeff Hartings to retirement this season and there will be a battle to determine the new starter. At this point it appears that free agent pickup Sean Mahan will battle starting right guard Kendall Simmons for the center job. The player who doesn’t emerge as the center will start at right guard. Of some concern is starting left guard Alan Faneca’s unhappiness in regards to his current contract. He skipped the first day of mini-camp and may miss more sessions as well. This will likely work out in time but the Steelers can’t afford to lose two gifted members of last season’s starting unit. Faneca has missed only one start in the past seven years and has been a Pro Bowler in six straight seasons. At right tackle, Max Starks has settled in as the man. He isn’t a dominant player yet but his upside is huge and he’s improving. He’s started 30 of the past 32 games. Chris Kemoeatu looks like a great fit in this offense but he has yet to put the pieces together and he isn’t ready to start. Willie Colon looked good in his two starts a year ago and he continues to grow as a player. The Steelers offensive line can continue on without Jeff Hartings and still be great but they need a happy Faneca going forward.

San Diego Chargers

Projected Starters: LT Marcus McNeill, LG Kris Dielman, C Nick Hardwick, RG Mike Goff, RT Shane Olivea

Key Backups: Scott Mruczkowski, Roman Oben, Corey Withrow

Key Additions: none

Key Losses: none

Heading into the preseason a year ago, rookie Marcus McNeil was a big question mark. His back was considered troublesome, he was getting beat in camp and he had no pro experience. Once week one began though none of that mattered as he had a sensational rookie season and was the NFL’s best rookie offensive tackle. He didn’t make the Pro Bowl but probably should have. Right guard Mike Goff is your stereotypical mucker. He is aggressive, plays hard and that overcomes his marginal athleticism. He is much better than most realize. Kris Dielman was almost lost to the Seattle Seahawks in free agency but the Chargers had the rights to match the offer and they did so. Dielman is an improving guard who is coming into his own. Not sure he is worth the money he received but it was important for the group to stay together. Nick Hardwick is another young player getting better each season. A couple of years ago the Chargers offensive line struggled with these young players learning their craft but it has all come together now. Shane Olivea is probably the weakest link along the line but he is a decent tackle and doesn’t hurt the offensive production. With veteran backups in place, expect another strong season from this group in 2007.

San Francisco 49ers

Projected Starters: LT Jonas Jennings, LG Larry Allen, C Eric Heitmann, RG Justin Smiley, RT Kwame Harris

Key Backups: Adam Snyder, David Baas, Joe Staley [r]

Key Additions: OT Joe Staley [r]

Key Losses: C Jeremy Newberry (Raiders)

The 49ers offensive line played very well at times last season but there is still potential for a couple of big moves this season. The club isn’t overly happy with right tackle Kwame Harris and right guard Justin Smiley, haven’t offered to extend their contracts (expired after this season) and they could be replaced as early as this season with rookie Joe Staley from Central Michigan slotting in at tackle and David Baas or even tackle Adam Snyder sliding inside to right guard. For now though, Harris and Smiley are still on the roster and will probably start if still on the club. However if Staley has a great training camp, he may emerge as the victor and start whether or not Harris is around. Eric Heitmann is turning out to be a very good center and he’s developing into the leader of the group. Left guard Larry Allen did make the Pro Bowl is his first season in San Francisco but he’s 36-years old this season and beginning to show his age. Jonas Jennings missed a few games but was dominant when on the field. His durability is the only thing keeping him from being a Pro Bowl caliber player. The club has good depth and it should be another strong season for this group if the question marks along the right side don’t disrupt the club.

Seattle Seahawks

Projected Starters: LT Walter Jones, LG Rob Sims, C Chris Spencer, RG Chris Gray, RT Sean Locklear

Key Backups: Floyd ‘Porkchop’ Womack, Tom Ashworth, Ray Willis, Mansfield Wrotto[r]

Key Additions: OG Mansfield Wrotto[r]

Key Losses: Robbie Tobeck (retired)

Walter Jones is still an elite tackle but he gave up ten sacks a year ago (a career high) and is beginning to show his age. He’s still a great luxury to have at left tackle though. Chris Gray is back for a fifteenth season in the NFL but is now at best an average lineman. 2nd-year player Rob Sims started three games for the club as a rookie and should earn the starting nod ahead of veteran Floyd ‘Porkchop’ Womack. Chris Spencer is a 3rd-year center that started thirteen games last year and has tremendous upside. He is athletic, hard-working and has good technique. Sean Locklear will likely get the nod once again at tackle but he’s only an average starter who can get beat in passing situations. Tom Ashworth was brought in last year to compete for a starting position but he disappointed and is now only a depth player. Womack has talent but has only 32 starts in six years and has durability issues. This isn’t the strength that it was a couple of seasons ago. Jones presence still gives confidence and both Sims and Spencer offer hope for the future but this group will not be elite in 2007.

St. Louis Rams

Projected Starters: LT Orlando Pace, LG Mark Setterstrom, C Andy McCollum, RG Richie Incognito, RT Alex Barron

Key Backups: Claude Terrell, Adam Goldberg, Todd Steussie

Key Additions: C Dustin Fry [r]

Key Losses: Adam Timmerman (released)

Left tackle Orlando Pace had a forgettable 2006 season. He missed eight games due to injury and he’ll be looking for a bounce back performance this year. He is now entering his 11th season and will be turning 32 years old this season. He has had just one holding penalty in the last seven years. Alex Barron is a young player who has 27 starts in the last two years. He has played well but needs to improve to take the next step in his development. Inexcusable is the 22 false start penalties over the past two seasons. He has great athleticism and could become an elite player with hard work. As a first-year starter last year, Richie Incognito surprised with a very good performance. He is tenacious and loves to get after defenders and it appears that his problems are now behind him. Andy McCollum is 37 years old but back for another season as the starting center. He played in only one game last year though and he’ll have to show he’s healthy to see the field this year. Perhaps his future replacement was drafted this season in Dustin Fry who has great size and tenacity. He is more of a brawler than a technician. This unit is kind of in transition between the old and the new but it appeared to work last season and should again this year. With a healthy Pace, expect a good season from this unit in 2007.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Projected Starters: LT Luke Petitgout, LG Arron Sears [r], C John Wade, RG Davin Joseph, RT Jeremy Trueblood

Key Backups: Dan Buenning, Jeb Terry, Matt Lehr, Anthony Davis

Key Additions: OG Matt Lehr (Falcons), OT Luke Petitgout (Giants), OG Arron Sears [r]

Key Losses: OG Sean Mahan (Steelers), OT Kenyatta Walker (released)

The good news for the Buccaneers is there is a ton of talent to pick a starting five from this season. The bad news is having to pick five starters from this group. It’s going to be tough at left guard to determine between Anthony Davis, Dan Buenning and rookie Arron Sears who should get to start. Even veteran Matt Lehr may be in the mix to start at guard for this team. Sears was a tackle in school but should turn out to be a tremendous guard in the NFL with his size, smarts and toughness. He will be given every opportunity to win the starting job but no matter who they go with at left guard, the Buccaneers will be in good shape. Jeremy Trueblood started thirteen games at tackle last year and did very well as a rookie. He is a talented kid who should continue to improve this year and is a lock to start at right tackle. Davin Joseph had a strong rookie campaign in 2006 and has the size, ability and toughness to be one of the best guards in the NFL. He should be even better this season. Luke Petitgout was brought in for leadership and to stabilize the left side of the line. He’ll start at left tackle and do just that. Anthony Davis started sixteen games for the Buccaneers and they won’t lose much if they have to slot him in at tackle or even guard. Center John Wade isn’t flashy but he gets the job done. With tons of depth and young talent, this is one of the best looking young units in the entire NFL. By 2008, this group may be considered one of the best in football.

Tennessee Titans

Projected Starters: LT Michael Roos, LG Jacob Bell, C Kevin Mawae, RG Benji Olson, RT David Stewart

Key Backups: Seth Wand, Justin Geisinger, Daniel Loper, Leroy Harris [r]

Key Additions: C/OG Leroy Harris [r], T Mike Otto [r]

Key Losses: OG Zach Piller (Lions)

Considering the youth at tackle last season, the Titans offensive line did extremely well last season and should be even better this year. It all starts up the middle with veteran Kevin Mawae bringing experience and leadership to the team. He’s 36-years old now but isn’t showing his age yet and could have another couple of good seasons in him. The club may have drafted his future replacement this season in Leroy Harris from NC State. Harris is smart and tough and gets to learn from Mawae while learning his craft. Benji Olson has missed just two starts in eight seasons and is as consistent as they come. Jacob Bell started fifteen games last season and had a tremendous year. He now looks like a fixture at left guard. Both young tackles, David Stewart and Michael Roos were exceptional and are still improving. They give the Titans perhaps the best young bookends in all of the NFL. The Titans offensive line appears to be in great shape and it should be another strong effort this season.

Washington Redskins

Projected Starters: LT Chris Samuels, LG Taylor Whitley C Casey Rabach, RG Randy Thomas, RT Jon Jansen

Key Backups: William Whitticker, Jason Fabini

Key Additions: OT Jason Fabini (Cowboys)

Key Losses: OG Derrick Dockery (Bills), OT Jim Molinaro (Cowboys)

Four of the five starting linemen are written in stone and have been playing together for years. Chris Samuels played in all sixteen games for the third consecutive season and is a great left tackle. He made the Pro Bowl each of the past two seasons and should be considered one of the finest tackles in the game today. Jon Jansen isn’t as talented as Samuels but has good size and smarts and is very good right tackle. At right guard Randy Thomas has started 61 of the past 64 games and is an aggressive, athletic guard that doesn’t get as much appreciation as he should. Center Casey Rabach has started 32 straight games for the Redskins and is a dependable player. It is at left guard that the question marks begin. Derrick Dockery left via free agency and there is a big hole at left guard with no obvious replacement on the team. Taylor Whitley is a natural guard that may slot in as is William Whitticker. There is even a chance that free agent acquisition Jason Fabini will move over from tackle to guard. No matter who starts at left guard, this is a good overall unit. If the left guard position is filled well, this unit should be very strong again this season.

 
BTW: I know Carey is being projected at left tackle right now but he struggled so much there as a rookie that I am not positive the club will ultimately move him if they can find any other option to lean on there. Carey appears to be much better over on the right side but without question he is currently the best lineman of the group (not that the statement means very much when talking about the Dolphins OLINE right now).

 
BTW: I know Carey is being projected at left tackle right now but he struggled so much there as a rookie that I am not positive the club will ultimately move him if they can find any other option to lean on there. Carey appears to be much better over on the right side but without question he is currently the best lineman of the group (not that the statement means very much when talking about the Dolphins OLINE right now).
Major props to Chris Smith who didn't have to but basically came in here and unveiled what many of us look forward to in the FBG Mag. Count me in on a preorder for the mag. While the info may not all be agreed upon for Smith's OL section, I found it to be one of the biggest differences between FBG and so many other mags out there. Things change during camps but if you go back and read what CS did last summer, a lot of it held true and I thought it was a big plus.Chris, thanks for the big breakdown post up a couple spots from here...guess we found something you are very interested in. One of the biggest things to take into consideration when picking those RB with your early picks are the OL that they run behind. LT is super talented but now he has one of the premier OL in the NFL to run behind now and look how he answered the opp last season with 30 TDs. Thanks Chris, awesome posts. And everyone else that is posting(too many to name all), but you guys are doing a great job with the observations. Let's see if we can get a post for every team from at least 2-3 fans. I realize its not always unbiased but you can sort thru that a bit when reading. Great stuff.
 
"Hey Joe, did you hear? Edge retired and Michael Turner just got traded to Arizona all in the same day. I can't believe it! That 4th rounder I burned in my dynasty start up is going to pay off big time now."

"Really Bob? Why do you think that?"

"Didn't you hear me? I said Turner got traded and is now the starter...big points for me this year"

"Yes Bob, but that OL just plain stinks. He isn't running behind the best run blocking OL in football anymore."

"What does that matter Joe? If he can run in SD, he can run in AZ for sure too."

Do you know some people that think this way? Never seem to be able to gauge the actual situation that players are in? I'm sure you do and invite them, all of them, into your redrafts every year so you can take their money. Now I am a big proponent of staying away from projections. My skin is already crawling when I look at the FBG projections which are up and free till June/July I believe...I cringe as the stats look mostly like they were loaded up from the end of last season(shivers uncontrollable).
:blackdot: :lmao: That "opener" was hysterical. I felt like I was in third grade or something...

 
There will be a battle at right tackle between incumbent starter Maurice Williams and free agent acquisition Tony Pashos. The club has been a little disappointed in Maurice Williams as of late and Pashos will be given every opportunity to win the job. Right now it is 50/50 as to who will emerge as the starting right tackle but Williams is the more talented of the two.
The Jags have already named Pashos the starter at RT and said that Williams will compete with Barnes for the starting LT position. No one believes that Williams will beat out Barnes at LT so a move inside to guard is possible(especially if Naole decides to hold out) but it's more likely the Jags will look for a trade of Williams as he's making too much money to be a back up.

“He’ll start at right tackle,” coach Jack Del Rio said of Pashos. “Mo’s going to compete with Khalif (Barnes) at left tackle,” Del Rio added, referring to Maurice Williams, who has been the Jaguars’ starting right tackle since 2001."
http://www.jaguars.com/News/Article.aspx?id=5875
 
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"Hey Joe, did you hear? Edge retired and Michael Turner just got traded to Arizona all in the same day. I can't believe it! That 4th rounder I burned in my dynasty start up is going to pay off big time now."

"Really Bob? Why do you think that?"

"Didn't you hear me? I said Turner got traded and is now the starter...big points for me this year"

"Yes Bob, but that OL just plain stinks. He isn't running behind the best run blocking OL in football anymore."

"What does that matter Joe? If he can run in SD, he can run in AZ for sure too."

Do you know some people that think this way? Never seem to be able to gauge the actual situation that players are in? I'm sure you do and invite them, all of them, into your redrafts every year so you can take their money. Now I am a big proponent of staying away from projections. My skin is already crawling when I look at the FBG projections which are up and free till June/July I believe...I cringe as the stats look mostly like they were loaded up from the end of last season(shivers uncontrollable).
:lmao: :rolleyes: That "opener" was hysterical. I felt like I was in third grade or something...
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Along the lines of Biakabreakable's thoughts, you should probably quantify the number of seasons each lineman has started on that line. Continuity is a big deal. Also, the number of years the current offensive scheme/coaching staff has been in place is likewise significant.
Not just the number of years the player has been starting- I think the number of years he's been in the current system is what's really important. For instance, if all 5 guys have started every game together for 3 years, but the team just switched to a drastically different blocking scheme, that might be a big problem. On the other hand, if a guy is starting for the first year, but he's been on the team for 4 years now learning as an understudy, the transition will probably go pretty smoothly (Denver has made a living smoothly transitioning new pieces into their O-line).
 
Posted this on MoP's other thread but thought it should go here as well for everyone else's benefit.

Chris Smith wrote this.

New York Giants

Projected Starters: LT David Diehl, LG Gray Ruegamer, C Shaun O’Hara, RG Chris Snee, RT Kareem McKenzie

Key Backups: Guy Whimper, Rich Seubert Adam Koets

Key Additions: OT Adam Koets [r]

Key Losses: OT Luke Petitgout (Buccaneers)

The Giants lost long-time starter at left tackle Luke Petitgout to the Buccaneers. He was a leader of the unit and he’ll be missed. However he had been fighting injury problems over the past couple of seasons and hadn’t been as effective as in years past. It appears that David Diehl will move from left guard to start at the left tackle position and he has the ability to make that transition. The team did draft Adam Koets from Oregon State and his upside is considerable. However it is doubtful he’ll be ready to start in 2007. Kareem McKenzie is a fixture at right tackle. He is a big man who plays with a chip on his shoulder on every play. He punishes the defender across from him and is an aggressive run blocker. His pass blocking isn’t tremendous but he gets the job done. Chris Snee is an underrated guard who is one of the best run blockers in football. He is aggressive and never quits on a play. Shaun O’Hara is the leader of the group and is an above-average player. Finally it appears that Gray Ruegamer, a veteran with only 17 career starts slides into left tackle although he’ll be pushed in camp by several players. It’s one thing to let a player like Petitgout leave because there is someone ready to take over but that wasn’t the case in New York. Diehl will cover the spot well but he was a force at guard and nobody is going to replace what he brought to the table. Expect a bit of a drop off in 2007.

Sounds like the OL might not be as good...and a potential HoF RB like Tiki Barber that could run and catch as well as almost anyone in the league, down to Brandon Jacobs/Rebuen Droughns...Coughlin should have been let go so I don't put any stock in the coaching staff. I really see the Giants as a team with a top10 pick in the draft next year...they are going to lose a lot of games IMO...however they should be behind a lot so maybe Eli and Burress/Toomer(yes Toomer) might be the guys to go get from New York.
Well no offense to Chris but he doesn't have a very good handle on the Giants o-line situation. First of all, the Giants did not "lose" Petitgout. They cut him (which is not an insignificant distinction). And don't forget he was injured in week 10 last year. They then went through the entire free agent period and draft process and the only move they made was to add Koets as depth in the 6th round. That's a pretty strong indication that they felt pretty good about the guys already on the roster.

Second, the Giants are very high on Guy Whimper who they took in the 4th round last year. I'm not sure why everyone forgets about him. While a bit of a project (they never had any intention of playing him last year) he has all the athleticism needed to play LT (and then some) and will compete in training camp with Diehl for that spot. So it's not a forgone conclusion that Diehl starts at LT. If Whimper wins the battle Diehl will stay at LG.

Third, Ruegamer will not be the starter at Left Guard (assuming Chris meant LG not LT otherwise he's way, way off). If Diehl starts at LT Rich Seubert will start at LG and he's not really a drop off at all from Diehl at that position. He most certainly can replace what Diehl brought to the table there so there's no reason to expect a drop off.

LT: Diehl/ Whimper

LG: Seubert

C: O'Hara

RG: Snee

RT: McKenzie

Depth: OT Koets, OG/OC Ruegamer, OG Matt Lentz (stashed on the PS last season)

Essentially you have the 5 returning starters from the end of last year (the Giants rushed for over 400 yards in their final two games) and Whimper as the wild card. Diehl and Seubert are strong run blockers and run blocking is already an acknowledged strength of the right side (which returns intact). If there are any questions about this unit going forward they have more to do with pass protection than run blocking (even though the Giants have allowed only 53 sacks over the past two seasons).

Anyway, if you need more "objective" and in-depth analysis, Football Outsiders had the Giants ranked as the 4th best run blocking unit in the entire league last year:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php

 
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I bumped this so I could give Chris Smith an Update on the Brown's OL you guys have a lot of guys out of position. You can see my earlier post for the positions, but I'll add a little more commentary late tonight. I don't know if you guys have finalized that article yet, but if you haven't, I'll clear things up a bit more.

 
The Browns OLLT- Joe Thomas - Looks Like a winner, but only time will tell if he was worth #3 overall.LG - Steinbach - Solid and can play tackle in a pinch.C- Fraley/Bentley - In my opinion Fraley was the most consistent lineman on the roster last year. Bentley will make a decision on a second surgery by June 5th. Even if he's out this year, Fraley will be solid.RG - Tucker/McKinney/Sowells My guess is that Tucker wins this one, but this will be one of the biggest fights in camp. Tucker will be even better at guard than tackle. He went to the Super Bowl at this spot with the Rams.RT - Shaffer - this is where he should have been playing all along. He'll be solid here.Depth- The Browns line has tons of depth this year and most of their lineman can play multiple positions. Butler and Freidman did well when thrown into the fire and McKinney is good enough to start.Which brings us to the big problem, communication and continuity. Fraley is the only guy returning to the same position on the line as he played last year, and and he didn't even get a full season under his belt. They have a new offensive scheme to learn and have a new RB and possibly and new QB to block for. They are gonna have to adjust to all these things quickly to be effective.
The above line-up is pretty much set in stone, other than RG. Romeo has already hinted that Shaffer will be the RT, even though Shaffer and Tucker were both told that their old jobs were theirs to lose.The line-up for day one of the OTA's was...left tackle Kevin Shaffer, left guard Eric Steinbach, center Hank Fraley, right guard Seth McKinney, right tackle Ryan Tucker.Unless Thomas really looks bad, I think the line-up is what I posted above though.As far as depth goes, everybody in my starting line-up has played more than one position very well other than Shaffer and he can move back from RT to LT this year if needed. Bentley has made the Pro-Bowl at guard and center and I'm not even counting him in my line-up. Aside from Bentley, Butler is good enough to start at RT for about 12 teams in the league and Friedman did a great job filling in at center and guard. Mckinney should be a starter, but I think Tucker beats him out. Sowells is a wild card. Fans don't know much about him because he was hurt his rookie year, but Savage is really high on him. That's about all the info I can think of, but if you have questions, let me know.
 
Oakland RaidersProjected Starters: LT Robert Gallery, LG Paul McQuistan, C Jake Grove, RG Cooper Carlisle, RT Cornell GreenKey Backups: Jeremy Newberry, Chad Slaughter, Kevin Boothe, Mario Henderson [r]Key Additions: C Jeremy Newberry (49ers), OG Cornell Green (Buccaneers), OG Cooper Carlisle, OT Mario Henderson [r]Key Losses: OT Langston Walker (Bills) 4th year center Jake Grove is talented but also struggled last year and will have to have a good training camp to hold off veteran, free agent Jeremy Newberry.
I know it's been mentioned before, but I'd be surprised if Newberry can even get on the field this year. Anyone banking on him making an impact is going to be disapointed.
 
The Browns OLLT- Joe Thomas - Looks Like a winner, but only time will tell if he was worth #3 overall.LG - Steinbach - Solid and can play tackle in a pinch.C- Fraley/Bentley - In my opinion Fraley was the most consistent lineman on the roster last year. Bentley will make a decision on a second surgery by June 5th. Even if he's out this year, Fraley will be solid.RG - Tucker/McKinney/Sowells My guess is that Tucker wins this one, but this will be one of the biggest fights in camp. Tucker will be even better at guard than tackle. He went to the Super Bowl at this spot with the Rams.RT - Shaffer - this is where he should have been playing all along. He'll be solid here.Depth- The Browns line has tons of depth this year and most of their lineman can play multiple positions. Butler and Freidman did well when thrown into the fire and McKinney is good enough to start.Which brings us to the big problem, communication and continuity. Fraley is the only guy returning to the same position on the line as he played last year, and and he didn't even get a full season under his belt. They have a new offensive scheme to learn and have a new RB and possibly and new QB to block for. They are gonna have to adjust to all these things quickly to be effective.
The above line-up is pretty much set in stone, other than RG. Romeo has already hinted that Shaffer will be the RT, even though Shaffer and Tucker were both told that their old jobs were theirs to lose.The line-up for day one of the OTA's was...left tackle Kevin Shaffer, left guard Eric Steinbach, center Hank Fraley, right guard Seth McKinney, right tackle Ryan Tucker.Unless Thomas really looks bad, I think the line-up is what I posted above though.As far as depth goes, everybody in my starting line-up has played more than one position very well other than Shaffer and he can move back from RT to LT this year if needed. Bentley has made the Pro-Bowl at guard and center and I'm not even counting him in my line-up. Aside from Bentley, Butler is good enough to start at RT for about 12 teams in the league and Friedman did a great job filling in at center and guard. Mckinney should be a starter, but I think Tucker beats him out. Sowells is a wild card. Fans don't know much about him because he was hurt his rookie year, but Savage is really high on him. That's about all the info I can think of, but if you have questions, let me know.
Good comments... When I finalized that, Shaffer had come out and said (or been rumored to say) that he wanted to be traded from the roster... I acted accordingly based on that information... I'll be watching this situation closely... If Shaffer stays on the roster, I think he will start at right tackle (if Joe Thomas is ready to go).The problems with putting together an indepth look at offensive lines this early in the season is there is often a lot of transition going on. The Browns situation is certainly tough to get a read on until we know where they stand with Shaffer and how well Thomas adjusts. to the NFL.
 
Posted this on MoP's other thread but thought it should go here as well for everyone else's benefit.

Chris Smith wrote this.

New York Giants

Projected Starters: LT David Diehl, LG Gray Ruegamer, C Shaun O’Hara, RG Chris Snee, RT Kareem McKenzie

Key Backups: Guy Whimper, Rich Seubert Adam Koets

Key Additions: OT Adam Koets [r]

Key Losses: OT Luke Petitgout (Buccaneers)

The Giants lost long-time starter at left tackle Luke Petitgout to the Buccaneers. He was a leader of the unit and he’ll be missed. However he had been fighting injury problems over the past couple of seasons and hadn’t been as effective as in years past. It appears that David Diehl will move from left guard to start at the left tackle position and he has the ability to make that transition. The team did draft Adam Koets from Oregon State and his upside is considerable. However it is doubtful he’ll be ready to start in 2007. Kareem McKenzie is a fixture at right tackle. He is a big man who plays with a chip on his shoulder on every play. He punishes the defender across from him and is an aggressive run blocker. His pass blocking isn’t tremendous but he gets the job done. Chris Snee is an underrated guard who is one of the best run blockers in football. He is aggressive and never quits on a play. Shaun O’Hara is the leader of the group and is an above-average player. Finally it appears that Gray Ruegamer, a veteran with only 17 career starts slides into left tackle although he’ll be pushed in camp by several players. It’s one thing to let a player like Petitgout leave because there is someone ready to take over but that wasn’t the case in New York. Diehl will cover the spot well but he was a force at guard and nobody is going to replace what he brought to the table. Expect a bit of a drop off in 2007.

Sounds like the OL might not be as good...and a potential HoF RB like Tiki Barber that could run and catch as well as almost anyone in the league, down to Brandon Jacobs/Rebuen Droughns...Coughlin should have been let go so I don't put any stock in the coaching staff. I really see the Giants as a team with a top10 pick in the draft next year...they are going to lose a lot of games IMO...however they should be behind a lot so maybe Eli and Burress/Toomer(yes Toomer) might be the guys to go get from New York.
Well no offense to Chris but he doesn't have a very good handle on the Giants o-line situation. First of all, the Giants did not "lose" Petitgout. They cut him (which is not an insignificant distinction). And don't forget he was injured in week 10 last year. They then went through the entire free agent period and draft process and the only move they made was to add Koets as depth in the 6th round. That's a pretty strong indication that they felt pretty good about the guys already on the roster.

Second, the Giants are very high on Guy Whimper who they took in the 4th round last year. I'm not sure why everyone forgets about him. While a bit of a project (they never had any intention of playing him last year) he has all the athleticism needed to play LT (and then some) and will compete in training camp with Diehl for that spot. So it's not a forgone conclusion that Diehl starts at LT. If Whimper wins the battle Diehl will stay at LG.

Third, Ruegamer will not be the starter at Left Guard (assuming Chris meant LG not LT otherwise he's way, way off). If Diehl starts at LT Rich Seubert will start at LG and he's not really a drop off at all from Diehl at that position. He most certainly can replace what Diehl brought to the table there so there's no reason to expect a drop off.

LT: Diehl/ Whimper

LG: Seubert

C: O'Hara

RG: Snee

RT: McKenzie

Depth: OT Koets, OG/OC Ruegamer, OG Matt Lentz (stashed on the PS last season)

Essentially you have the 5 returning starters from the end of last year (the Giants rushed for over 400 yards in their final two games) and Whimper as the wild card. Diehl and Seubert are strong run blockers and run blocking is already an acknowledged strength of the right side (which returns intact). If there are any questions about this unit going forward they have more to do with pass protection than run blocking (even though the Giants have allowed only 53 sacks over the past two seasons).

Anyway, if you need more "objective" and in-depth analysis, Football Outsiders had the Giants ranked as the 4th best run blocking unit in the entire league last year:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php
You're talking to a guy that actually likes a lot of what the Giants bring to the table. There wasn't anything being mentioned in regards to Whimper when I wrote the team reports so I didn't speculate on where he would slot in... Remember that this is put together in April and there is obviously some speculation that has to go on before training camp opens and real information begins to leak out...The Giants did lose Petitgout from the offensive line. Whether he was traded, released or a FA is irrevelent. He is no longer on the team and it did have an impact on his teammates...

March 28, 2007, 06:30

Giants :: OL

Teammates Disappointed With OT Petitgout's Release

Arthur Staple, Newsday - [Full Article]

The Giants offensive line must adjust to left tackle Luke Petitgout's absence this season. "Was I disappointed? Absolutely," offensive guard Chris Snee said of Petitgout's release. "The O-line was a pretty tight group, and Luke was a leader. He was here eight years and gave a lot to this organization."

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You have to put some stock into a unit's cohesion and it does take a little hit if a long-time tackle is no longer on the team. I think David Diehl is a tremendous guard and if Whimper is indeed ready to play and the Giants can slot Diehl back over to guard then I like where this unit is going...

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BTW:: I had the Giants ranked 7th last year in preseason so I wasn't too far off the 4th place finish you are talking about :goodposting:

 
BTW: If you have something to add on an offensive line, don't be shy! It is always a challenge to get all of the relevent news when it comes to offensive lines and I can always use the help...

Thanks to Chris1969, Wadsworth and Construction Man for their input and thoughts on the offensive lines! It is appreciated and always looked at closely to determine if I was off my rocker or not (wouldn't be the first time...)

 

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