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Well that's why it needs to be a coach who has a 5 year plan for PSU. O'Brien leaving now really sets them back if kids are willing to transfer or de-commit now. O'Brien leaving could hurt worse than the initial sanctions.
Penn State has 19 recruits next year. They are going to be at 75 of a possible 85 scholarships. People calling that crippling are over exaggerating. There is also talk that the now 2 year bowl ban becomes 1 year. 5-10 scholarships and a 1 year bowl ban are not crippling. 20 scholarships and a 4 year bowl ban were crippling but BOB has left them in pretty good shape.
Did I say 'begging'? Anyway, the Eagles one happened last year and I don't care to search for it but here's the Texas one.Link to Gruden begging to be interviewed by anyone?I've heard him say he'd love to coach at a lot of open positions. But I have yet to hear anyone make him an offer. I don't know if he's been a top choice so much as saying he's wanted spots. The one's I remember were the Eagles and the Texas job. Neither of them even interviewed him.
No coach going after that job will try to sell anything but a 5 year plan, of course. Doesn't mean he'll actually stick. It also means that the entire university system, including all the fans, boosters, etc need to buy in and give it time. That seems to be the bigger struggle. There may have been some hyperbole in that BOB article where he talked about "the Paterno people" influence but all it took was reading the response to it to know that the culture is still very much out there.
Context matters. He was talking about the NFL openings. Why would he say he's interested in the UT position last week if his stance was he's not interested in the job?
Im OK with guys coming to PSU and being so successful that they have the opportunity to move on to the NFL. Sure beats the alternative.
well, you said yourself the chances are .00001% or whatever. I guess if that's what you're going to hang your hat on, good luck.Context matters. He was talking about the NFL openings. Why would he say he's interested in the UT position last week if his stance was he's not interested in the job?
Well, certainly thats better than them sucking and having to fire a guy in 4 years, but Id rather not think along those lines when hiring the next coach
I agree that "crippling" is too strong but I think you're greatly underestimating what being down 10 scholarships can do to a team over the course of a season. There are times when a team with the full allotment of scholarships finds themselves relying on walk ons for important reserve roles or special teams, not to mention the occasional spot start. Ten bodies are ten bodies.
O'Brien owes it to PSU if he left, and it's believed part of the negotiations with Houston was their role in covering that for BOB. It's rare that the coach actually pays it.
Ah, so lowering it by that much during the negotiations last year served what purpose? Kept him around 1 more season but guaranteed he was gone after 2013?
the only logical explanation is that PSU did not necessarily want him to stay. With the recent stuff about his supposed challenges dealing with the "Paterno people", maybe there was a sizeable faction within the administration who want someone else who is a college guy around whom they can build the program for many years. Everyone knew from the beginning that O'Brien had NFL aspirations, but it seemed like the best move at the time. Now the smoke has cleared and PSU is no longer so toxic and the administration thinks that maybe it is best to move on and that they are in a position to get a big-time, long-term coach.
You're right. That's exactly what I said. And Gruden has said that there are a few jobs out there he'd consider. Since he hasn't said which ones, I don't see what the big deal is putting out feelers on him. You act like I said he'd be the next coach at PSU. I'm not sure why. There is no down side to asking him. He's says no, big deal. Move on. But why not ask?well, you said yourself the chances are .00001% or whatever. I guess if that's what you're going to hang your hat on, good luck.Context matters. He was talking about the NFL openings. Why would he say he's interested in the UT position last week if his stance was he's not interested in the job?
I'm assuming those types of feelers happen all the time but don't get widely reported.
ESPN article from September 25, 2013:
As I understand it (which could be wrong), PSU will be short 5 this coming year and be back to full scholarship levels the year after that. So, "punishing" sanctions? Eh, not so much anymore.
Realistically, BOB did a great job following up JoePa. He could've realized that he was following a legend and felt pressure to succeed. Given the sanctions, he did about as well as one could've hoped. Now, there's even less pressure on the next guy even though you're 2 years removed from JoePa.
Probably not. I wasn't saying it needed to be reported. I'm just saying PSU should reach out to his camp.Aaron Rudnicki said:
No doubt. I think that it was an unbelievably difficult situation for everyone and there was not going to be any perfect solution. The University got a guy with good credibility overall and O'Brien got to prove his leadership skills. Now the marriage got a bit strained, but I don't know that it has to diminish the results for either party.Tom Servo said:
Because the Texas HC position is vacant.E-Z Glider said:
Question - I haven't followed this much since the whole scandal broke. What is the sense around the program on whether the next coach will distance himself from Paterno (assumin it is a "PSU guy"). I could see that being a sticky situation for whoever they bring in. I get the sense that PSU fans are ready to be over it and move on and even potentially consider remembering the Paterno football years but there still seems to be a lot of angst about it from outsiders. I would imagine a #### storm in the media if a new coach came in and tried to play up the Paterno factor.Tom Servo said:
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is that a PSU guy would be respectful of the Paterno family but still be doing things his way. They'd be more inclined to go after someone from the family, just like any other school. They're not going back to a JoePa style offense, that's for sure.
JoePa was almost hired as Patriots coach sometime back in the mid-70s (I want to say '74). He'd been coach there less than 10 years at the time and was in his late 50s at the time. His only tie to the program when hired was he was Rip Engle's assistant.
College football is so regional though. Ask a guy from the northeast, south, and west coast and there will be very different top 15 programs from each of them.
I think Texas, USC, and Notre Dame are probably the 3 most premier programs in college football. Id put Bama up with them currently, but if we are talking pre-Saban they are right with PSU as far as pedigree for the most part - legendary head coach, some national championships, and great history. I actually think ND's luster in that top-top tier is starting to wear off but I'll keep them up there for now. Then probably FSU, Florida, Miami a notch below thanks to both history and the recruiting hotbed.
That's not really a phrase we like to use any more...Tom Servo said:
I think its just about a coach who cares about and is loyal to psu. There's a lot of penn state pride.
Most people are loyal to money and a better job. It's highly unlikely you ever have a head coach for 10 years, much less 40 or whatever Paterno stayed for.
The point is I and a lot of others think there are coaches out there who look at penn state as their top job and believe it is about more than just football and money. Not gruden and those super top sought after coaches, but certain guys that may be better fits overall and turn out to be damn good coaches and recruiters in their own right.
A Pat Fitzgerald type? Sure that guy is probably out there. He's just not any of the pie in the sky names mentioned here.
There are definitely better programs than PSU, but hard to imagine any of them offering more exposure right now. Again, O'B went from an absolute no one to the hottest coaching commodity in the NFL in 2 years just by being charismatic and keeping the program afloat. Was this all him, or was it because there's an established, rabid fanbase ready to rally around anyone with a pulse? Id guess some of both. Dont think other coaches dont notice this. Its why I think it makes sense for a guy like Franklin and no sense for a guy like Gruden.
... and it's an understandably difficult thing for folks to understand, who aren't alumni themselves...
