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Let's Talk Penn State Football (1 Viewer)

A couple of thoughts:

- I'm not sure that I like the way that Franklin handled the end of the game.  I get that Mich St embarrassed PSU last year, but I would have liked to have seen Franklin take the high road there.  Incidentally, it didn't seem as though there was a whole lot of love lost in that postgame handshake.  I hope that both teams have proven their point, measured their ##### now and that's the end of it.

- Consider how Penn State has handled Iowa and Michigan State the past few weeks.  Then consider how tough Iowa and Mich St. have played some of the other top tier teams in the B1G recently.  Taking those into consideration and after watching the Michigan-Ohio St. game today, Penn State might be the best team (or at least playing the best football) in the B1G right now.

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
A couple of thoughts:

- I'm not sure that I like the way that Franklin handled the end of the game.  I get that Mich St embarrassed PSU last year, but I would have liked to have seen Franklin take the high road there.  Incidentally, it didn't seem as though there was a whole lot of love lost in that postgame handshake.  I hope that both teams have proven their point, measured their ##### now and that's the end of it.
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I thought it was a little strange.  Maybe he wanted the style points.  I don't remember last year besides what ESPN showed today of some MSU OL getting a TD and it was a crushing.  PSU was out there today throwing long passes with the game in hand under 5 minutes to play.  

 
Bobcat10 said:
I thought it was a little strange.  Maybe he wanted the style points.  I don't remember last year besides what ESPN showed today of some MSU OL getting a TD and it was a crushing.  PSU was out there today throwing long passes with the game in hand under 5 minutes to play.  
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Style points. Looks good to get another 40+ point performance under the belt. But I'm sure Franklin remembers last year a bit.

 
What a ride. 

Beat Wisky next week and you are either Rose Bowl bound or playoff bound if Clemson or Washington goes down. Can't believe I'm typing that. 

Not thrilled that Cotton vs Western Michigan is our potential consolation prize. 

 
Trey said:
What a ride. 

Beat Wisky next week and you are either Rose Bowl bound or playoff bound if Clemson or Washington goes down. Can't believe I'm typing that. 

Not thrilled that Cotton vs Western Michigan is our potential consolation prize. 
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It's a NYD game. So what if it against a MAC team? Go in, whip some WMU tail, come home with a trophy full of cotton balls and get ready for 2017.

 
I was OK with CJF running up the score.  After some of the #### Dantonio has tried pulling against PSU on the recruiting trail I have a profound hate for the man.

Wisky is going to be tough.  Great defense.  Even if they might not have their starting QB they've always been a ground and pound type offense.  The defensive line and LBs have their work cut out for them.  Win or Lose though PSU is starting to get back to the glory days.  WE ARE!

 
dhockster said:
Let's say Michigan loses to OSU and drops to 6, one spot ahead of Penn State at 7. The committee does this because Michigan beat Penn State. If Penn State then beats Wisconsin for the big ten title while Michigan is idle, I think it will be hard for the committee to keep a two loss Michigan ahead of Penn State, Especially since the two teams Michigan lost to late in the year were two teams that Penn State beat.
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Okay, so Michigan only dropped to 5, but kind of irrelevent since Wisconsin is number 6 and Penn State will jump them with a win. I really think the committee would prefer to put Michigan in the playoff rather than Penn State so if Clemson or Washington lose, Penn State is going to need a big win over Wisconsin to get into the playoff. With a close win, I think Michigan makes the playoff. If Clemson and Washington both win, I think the committee will put the big ten champ ahead of Michigan just so they can say how important winning your conference is (and it would have no impact on the playoff).

 
What a difference a year makes.

This time last year, we were losing some good recruits as we stumbled at the end of the schedule.  Michigan alone poached 2 or 3.

Earlier this summer/fall, several top PA recruits committed to Notre Dame

Lately we're picking up some nice recruits and even flipped a top kid from Florida.

Beaver Stadium is a great recruiting tool and going 7-0 there this year sure didn't hurt the cause.

 
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Alabama is in.  Ohio State is in.  If both Clemson and Washington lose and Penn St. wins, I think PSU gets in with a win.  I think a loss by only one of Clemson or Washington and Michigan gets in.  Same number of losses, beat PSU, Harbaugh is the coach, and I'm not sure the committee wants PSU back in the spotlight just yet. 

Those are my thoughts but I'm usually wrong (see Trump thread) so WTF do I know?

 
James Daulton said:
I think a loss by only one of Clemson or Washington and Michigan gets in. 
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It'll be interesting to see how the committee views Michigan if PSU wins the B1G Championship.

On the one hand, Michigan has wins over 3 current top 10 teams while PSU would have two, plus Michigan destroyed us head-to-head though they stumbled to the finish line.

On the other hand, PSU beat the two teams that beat Michigan, would be the conference champion, and have one more overall and two more conference wins with a 9-game winning streak.

Both our losses are to currently ranked teams, while one of theirs is to an unranked team.

If Temple wins and sneaks into the rankings, that probably helps.

I'd feel better about our changes if Barry Alvarez wasn't on the committee.  I'm not sure he'd do much to advocate for us.

 
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Penn State needs a loss by both Washington and Clemson to have a chance to get in.  There's no way that the committee jumps them over Michigan.  They'll use the head-to-head beating that UM laid on PSU as their reasoning.  And even if Wash. and Clemson lose, I wouldn't be surprised to see the committee do something that would prevent three teams from the same conference in the top 4 (although, I don't know how they'd justify it).  

Additionally, the committee is probably salivating over the idea of an OSU-UM rematch.  If Washington or Clemson lose, I'd look for the committee to find a reason to put Michigan #3 and the Wash./Clemson survivor to go to #4.  Then you have the UM-OSU rematch in the semifinal and the championship game would be Alabama vs. the "top team" from what is considered the top conference this year.

My dream scenario for PSU: A B1G championship and a Rose Bowl win over USC.  Imagine that....A 12 win season, B1G and Rose Bowl champions.  Let that sink in.  Not to mention what it would do for recruiting. 

 
I can't stand Penn State and am generally good whenever they get screwed over but it makes zero sense to me how Ohio State can be considered for the national championship when they can't win their own conference.

 
Godsbrother said:
I can't stand Penn State and am generally good whenever they get screwed over but it makes zero sense to me how Ohio State can be considered for the national championship when they can't win their own conference.
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I love Penn State but OSU is the better team. They're in the playoff no matter what with 1 loss and currently ranked 2. That ranking and them being idle is basically the committee's way of saying they're in.

 
Insein said:
I love Penn State but OSU is the better team. They're in the playoff no matter what with 1 loss and currently ranked 2. That ranking and them being idle is basically the committee's way of saying they're in.
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OSU may be the better team but they can't win their conference.  IMO if you don't win your conference then you should be eliminated from the national championship playoff.  Actual play on the field should take precedence over rankings which are subjective and often biased.

That said I hate both PSU and OSU so I have no dog in the fight.

 
Godsbrother said:
OSU may be the better team but they can't win their conference.  IMO if you don't win your conference then you should be eliminated from the national championship playoff.  Actual play on the field should take precedence over rankings which are subjective and often biased.

That said I hate both PSU and OSU so I have no dog in the fight.
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All depends on what the committee thinks. If they agree with you, Penn State will be in with a win. If they don't, OSU is already in. I think then ranking OSU #2 tells you all you need to know.

 
Insein said:
All depends on what the committee thinks. If they agree with you, Penn State will be in with a win. If they don't, OSU is already in. I think then ranking OSU #2 tells you all you need to know.
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Agreed.  I just like sporting events where committees don't decide these things.

 
Godsbrother said:
OSU may be the better team but they can't win their conference.  IMO if you don't win your conference then you should be eliminated from the national championship playoff.  Actual play on the field should take precedence over rankings which are subjective and often biased.

That said I hate both PSU and OSU so I have no dog in the fight.
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What about actual play, in say, the OOC games?  Or are they more like NFL preseason to you?

 
Insein said:
I love Penn State but OSU is the better team. They're in the playoff no matter what with 1 loss and currently ranked 2. That ranking and them being idle is basically the committee's way of saying they're in.
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I hate this kind of mentality and I agree with Godsbrother - the only reason PSU isn't ranked higher, and is considered 3rd fiddle to OSU/Michigan is because there is a preconceived notion that OSU/Mich are "better" teams.  If that's how we're ranking teams, just pick which team you think is "better" at the beginning of the season and make them the champs.  Why even play?  I know this is going overboard, but I hate this argument. 

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy to say, for example, we're going to put OSU in because they're "better," when they lost when the two teams faced off head-to-head.  Well - of course they're "better."  If you always make them the higher ranked team, they'll be "better" in perception.

To me, the three teams won one and lost one in the head-to-heads within the 3.  I can see the argument that OSU is in because they have 1 loss vs. 2 for Mich/PSU...but I can't get why you can put Michigan ahead of PSU IF PSU wins the Big Ten Championship.  The "Michigain beat PSU" argument isn't valid IMO because if you use that, PSU beat OSU.  It goes in circles.  The only two differences if that scenario plays out is Ohio State has one less loss, and PSU has the Big Ten Championship.  Those two things played out on the field.

 
Fat Nick said:
I hate this kind of mentality and I agree with Godsbrother - the only reason PSU isn't ranked higher, and is considered 3rd fiddle to OSU/Michigan is because there is a preconceived notion that OSU/Mich are "better" teams.  If that's how we're ranking teams, just pick which team you think is "better" at the beginning of the season and make them the champs.  Why even play?  I know this is going overboard, but I hate this argument. 

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy to say, for example, we're going to put OSU in because they're "better," when they lost when the two teams faced off head-to-head.  Well - of course they're "better."  If you always make them the higher ranked team, they'll be "better" in perception.

To me, the three teams won one and lost one in the head-to-heads within the 3.  I can see the argument that OSU is in because they have 1 loss vs. 2 for Mich/PSU...but I can't get why you can put Michigan ahead of PSU IF PSU wins the Big Ten Championship.  The "Michigain beat PSU" argument isn't valid IMO because if you use that, PSU beat OSU.  It goes in circles.  The only two differences if that scenario plays out is Ohio State has one less loss, and PSU has the Big Ten Championship.  Those two things played out on the field.
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Oh I'm not saying PSU should not be in there over Michigan. The timing of their loss to Michigan coupled with Michigan losing to Iowa, a team Penn State crushed, should put the Big 10 champion Nitts in over them. 

But I feel if we played Ohio State again right now, we probably wouldn't win. We caught them at the right time for an upset.  They'd be looking for revenge now.

 
Godsbrother said:
OSU may be the better team but they can't win their conference.  IMO if you don't win your conference then you should be eliminated from the national championship playoff.  Actual play on the field should take precedence over rankings which are subjective and often biased.

That said I hate both PSU and OSU so I have no dog in the fight.
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They should have a 6-8 team playoff where conference champions get automatic bids and then a handful of select "wild cards."  A 4 team "playoff" is no playoff. 

 
Bobcat10 said:
What about actual play, in say, the OOC games?  Or are they more like NFL preseason to you?
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If you want to use them as tie-breakers that is fine with me. but OOC games shouldn't have equal weight as conference games.  If so then why even have conferences?  

 
Godsbrother said:
If you want to use them as tie-breakers that is fine with me. but OOC games shouldn't have equal weight as conference games.  If so then why even have conferences?  
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Tie breakers?  That's crazy talk.  Generally we're never debating teams from the same conf like this either.  You'd have to "tie" teams from other conferences to start looking at OOC?

Conferences should have never expanded.  I'm sure you are with me there.  Something that actually worked was playing every team 1 time to determine your champ.  You didn't need a championship game to match a win already posted by another team.

I agree they should expand to 8.

 
Gonna be a long night if they can tee off on our QB on hand offs and we get 15 for tapping a guy as they let up slightly out of bounds.

 
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Loved how Franklin emphasized the transition this season from talking about what Penn State was to what Penn State is.

 
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I miss James. :(

Became a distant PSU fan after he left Vandy, happy to see you guys win last night.

 
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There is not a lot of precedent to the selection process, but conference champions have 'historically' gotten the nod.  And the committee cannot be thinking solely about this year.  If they award a berth to an OSU or Michigan over their conference champion, that sets a precedent many may not be comfortable with going forward.

I'm holding out hope for a nifty lions playoff game

 
kupcho1 said:
kupcho1 said:
There is not a lot of precedent to the selection process, but conference champions have 'historically' gotten the nod.  And the committee cannot be thinking solely about this year.  If they award a berth to an OSU or Michigan over their conference champion, that sets a precedent many may not be comfortable with going forward.

I'm holding out hope for a nifty lions playoff game
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There is not a lot of precedent to the selection process, but conference champions have 'historically' gotten the nod.  And the committee cannot be thinking solely about this year.  If they award a berth to an OSU or Michigan over their conference champion, that sets a precedent many may not be comfortable with going forward.

I'm holding out hope for a nifty lions playoff game
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yep- everyone pointing at a close loss 3 months ago instead of  the 9 game winning streak, conference championship and H2H victory over OSU..    PSU is hottest team I(besides Bama) in nation , and arguably one of the best 4 right now..    anyway, I will enjoy the Rose Bowl!!

 
As much as I bleed blue and white, I don't think we're one of the best 4 teams in Division 1.Hottest, yes. Best, no. I also don't think the Huskies are either. With all due respect to their one loss, they played a relatively weak schedule compared to the rest of the contenders. I think tOSU, Clemson and Michigan all beat Washington on a neutral field. Wisconsin would give them a run, and Iowa and Nebraska might, as well. An easy out for the selection committee would be to put everything on a resume comparison between the Wolverines and Nittany Lions, with the winner getting the #4 Seed, and the loser playing Washington in the Rose Bowl, which would legitimize the Rose as a 4th Playoff Game, especially if it's Wolverines/Huskies. Tough year to be a Sooner. Every bit as good as PSU or UW, and I think would give any of the Top 4 a pretty decent run. We'll soon see...

 
I agree that you could argue for or against UW, Michigan, and PSU without any real right or wrong about any of them.

The safe thing for the committee to do is just go UW.  That would help them avoid having to explain why they left the PAC 12 out 2 years in a row or why they went with PSU over Michigan or vice versa.

I'll take our resume vs. anyone other than Alabama.

  • Best win (OSU)
  • Two wins over likely top-10 teams plus potentially two more over top-25 (depending on how Temple and Iowa end up in final rankings)
  • Margin of victory over Wisconsin same as either Michigan or OSU
  • 2-1 against the other three best teams in Big Ten (same as OSU or Michigan, neither of which won division or conference)
  • Both losses to ranked teams (compared to 1 at the moment for Michigan)
  • As many overall and one more conference win than OSU
  • One more overall and two more conference wins than Michigan
  • Conference championship like Alabama, Washington, and Clemson
  • 9 game winning streak
Yeah, the H2H with Michigan is problematic but by the same logic the same could be said for OSU.  And the 2nd (1st) loss to Pitt really hurt but again they also beat Clemson so that is not the worst loss in the world.

Won't be all torches-and-pitchforks if we end up in Pasadena vs. USC which also finished strong.

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Better for recruiting:  Getting blown out by Alabama in the "playoff" or a good game vs USC in the Rose Bowl?
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Good question.

I would think you could use the "we're just a player or two away and you could be a difference maker" pitch if you lost (even badly) to Alabama.

Plus I think the whole Ric Flair thing ("To be the man...") applies.  So what if 'Bama destroys us?  We wouldn't be the first.

 
Rose Bowl is a decent consolation prize. I hope they beat USC down just to prove the point despite it basically being a road bowl game.

 
First time posting in this thread.

My folks grew in central, coal mining PA. Shamokin was the town name. I'm 37 and lived there some years of my childhood. Penn State, the Phillies and Eagles were the local calling. I had a cousin that was a LB for PSU in the mid 80s.

I've moved around and dug roots in Ft Worth, so I've adopted UT, but PSU is the one other school I root for and still watch weekly.

This has been a great season. I figured a bad decade after Sandusky. This season was special even before yesterday. Barkley, OSU... it's been a dream. Last nights comeback was just icing on the cake. They'd have had to been perfect to make the final 4; and darn near were. Even without a shot at the CFB Title, this will still go down as one, if not my favorite season.

ETA - A Rose Bowl win would be awesome. Go PSU!!! You 

 
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