Let's talk Randy Moss (1 Viewer)

[2Squirrels1Nut]

I'm a Randy Moss dynasty owner since a mid-season trade last year. I've always treated him like a must-start, but this year he's felt like anything but.

In nine games played, he's got only 23 receptions for 339 yards and 5 TD's. He's only got one game in which he exceeded 80 yards receiving; the others are all below 60 yards. If not for the 5 TD's we'd be talking about how epic this bust was in redraft leagues, especially given that there's no injury involved.

I'm certainly someone who likes to rid myself of a player too soon, for value, rather than too late, so I'm very concerned that it's already too late. My impression is that, as usual, Randy's head is a big part of the problem here. It's pretty difficult to both be a household NFL name and to now be playing for your third team since October. His attitude has everything to do with that.

His nomadic existence this season also forms an easy excuse or at least distractor for his performance. OTOH, it seems strange to me that teams with Brady and Favre at QB seemed unable to figure out how to target him more and get the ball to him.

I'm less concerned about his attitude which has historically come and gone with him, and more concerned about him physically. I must confess to not having watched many of his games this year. My question for those who have is, has he lost a step? Are his legs no longer there? Is he still separating? Have people seen him beating double teams like he used to do?

We've discussed how, in contrast to TO who is an absolute physical beast who keeps himself in top condition whatever his other problems are, Randy while not out of shape seems to not necessarily be known for that. As you enter your mid-30's your conditioning is what buys you the extra 1-3 years of top form. Does Randy seem to have that?

Anyway, when I'm seriously considering starting the likes of Mike Williams (SEA) over Moss, which would have sounded like a complete joke 3 months ago, you know there's a big problem.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

he should be benched for FFL purposes.

 

[packersfan]

Here are Moss' numbers in his last 16 regular-season games:

48-712-11

He has not had a 100-yard game since Week 10 of last season. In his last 16 regular-season games, he has been held to two receptions or fewer seven times and he's been held to 45 receiving yards or fewer nine times.

If he wasn't "Randy Moss" how would you rank a WR who put up that type of production over the course of a full season?

 

[Sweet Love]

Here are Moss' numbers in his last 16 regular-season games:48-712-11He has not had a 100-yard game since Week 10 of last season. In his last 16 regular-season games, he has been held to two receptions or fewer seven times and he's been held to 45 receiving yards or fewer nine times. If he wasn't "Randy Moss" how would you rank a WR who put up that type of production over the course of a full season?

The 11 TDs skew what we are really seeing, but in a PPR, that would be 185.2. Looking at historic numbers available for my PPR league (2009), that would put him at WR26, so a high end WR3, in a 12 team league. But the way he is playing now, he really has fallen into that flex-spot (at best) territory.

 

[packersfan]

Here are Moss' numbers in his last 16 regular-season games:48-712-11He has not had a 100-yard game since Week 10 of last season. In his last 16 regular-season games, he has been held to two receptions or fewer seven times and he's been held to 45 receiving yards or fewer nine times. If he wasn't "Randy Moss" how would you rank a WR who put up that type of production over the course of a full season?

The 11 TDs skew what we are really seeing, but in a PPR, that would be 185.2. Looking at historic numbers available for my PPR league (2009), that would put him at WR26, so a high end WR3, in a 12 team league. But the way he is playing now, he really has fallen into that flex-spot (at best) territory.

I agree. The problem that I see is that every other game he doesn't catch passes and doesn't get many yards. Also, he is not a good bet to get a high yardage total even when he's having a "good" game by his standards. Think of all the WRs who have had just one 100-yard game in the past 16. Moss can't even do that anymore and he's played with two Hall of Fame QBs in that time. If he isn't scoring touchdowns he kills you. So while the numbers say WR3 I'm not sure he can be started as a WR3 with any sense of confidence. I know the Titans have a favorable schedule late in the season but based on what we've seen from Moss this season on three different teams is there anyone who honestly has the confidence to put their playoff hopes on the line with him?

 

[Neofight]

To answer the OP's questions specifically:

Yes, Moss has most definitely lost a step. Having watched all of his games in NE and only missing the last one in Minn and yesterday's loss with Tenn, it is apparent that he no longer gets separation (against a gimpy Revis is the only time I can recall him doing so this year), cannot go up and get the ball like he used to (some really poorly timed jumps while he was a Pat) and is dropping a lot of balls (tied for the league lead with 6; 3 of them in the end zone).

His TD's have either been perfectly placed deeper passes into some decent coverage or quick hitters in the red zone where he has received some help in the form of a pick or two. Given that he is no longer playing with accurate deep ball passers and the Titans like to run it in the red zone, I doubt he will keep up his rather high TD to catch ratio.

In short, you missed your window and probably should have been looking at a guy like Williams while ditching Moss immediately after the trade to the Vikings. It looks like he doesn't have it anymore, and I'm not sure he really cares. My guess is that if he were on a contender he might make a difference, but if he feels his team has no shot of going all the way, you are going to see some serious lollygagging out there.

 

[LC512]

Poor man's Lee Evans

 

[Raider Nation]

He was still in my lineup yesterday only because he was on a new team and I was holding out hope.

No more. Maybe he can go to a fourth team this year who will quicky realize his skills have eroded.

I'm going to start Danny Amendola and BMW over Randy Moss going forward. How insane would that statement have sounded back in August? Only reason I'm not cutting him outright is because you know someone will pick him up on name value alone. On the outside chance it's a team I meet in the playoffs, I would hate to have him come back to haunt me should he actually wake up one of these weeks.

At this point you gotta man up and just pretend your 1st (or 2nd) round pick got injured for the year.

 

[RobMexico]

I really expected him to have a big year, but like Raider Nation, I just deal with it like I lost a player to injury. I traded him and Chris Johnson away last week for MJD and Megatron.

 

[Raider Nation]

I really expected him to have a big year, but like Raider Nation, I just deal with it like I lost a player to injury. I traded him and Chris Johnson away last week for MJD and Megatron.

Essentially C.J. for MJD & Calvin.Interesting. Unfortunately, the Jags don't get to play Houston every week.

 

[sho nuff]

This means nothing...just interesting...but Moss was apparently allowed to stay in Miami after the game and did not travel back to Tennessee with the team.

He has a home there I guess so Fisher let him stay home after the game.

 

[DoubleG]

This means nothing...just interesting...but Moss was apparently allowed to stay in Miami after the game and did not travel back to Tennessee with the team.

He has a home there I guess so Fisher let him stay home after the game.

- it means the Titans are going to trade him to the Heat.

 

[Raider Nation]

This means nothing...just interesting...but Moss was apparently allowed to stay in Miami after the game and did not travel back to Tennessee with the team.

He has a home there I guess so Fisher let him stay home after the game.

- it means the Titans are going to trade him to the Heat.

He's going to take his lack of talent to South Beach.

 

[packersfan]

Only reason I'm not cutting him outright is because you know someone will pick him up on name value alone. On the outside chance it's a team I meet in the playoffs, I would hate to have him come back to haunt me should he actually wake up one of these weeks.

I thought about holding him for that reason too but I'm just done. The numbers I posted speak volumes. The same pattern has repeated itself on three teams this season. The common denominator here is Randy Moss. Sure he could go off on someone else's team and that will suck but it will be Week 11 and I'm just done starting him and getting burned. The season is almost over. I'd like to enjoy watching the players on my team.

 

[Clifford]

Here are Moss' numbers in his last 16 regular-season games:48-712-11He has not had a 100-yard game since Week 10 of last season. In his last 16 regular-season games, he has been held to two receptions or fewer seven times and he's been held to 45 receiving yards or fewer nine times. If he wasn't "Randy Moss" how would you rank a WR who put up that type of production over the course of a full season?

I was literally slammed on this board no less than a week ago when I suggested that he didn't have it anymore. Just goes to show how long people will cling to name value and ignore reality.To OP, your prime dynasty window was after his 22 TD season. You could have had just about anyone.Your subprime window was after the first 7-8 weeks of 2009, when he was still tearing it up.Then, magically, you were given a gift when he was traded to Minnesota. This was really only a redraft window but chances are you could have landed a decent project like Royal or Crabtree for him. People's eyes went to saucers. Well, that was it. You have missed your window. You can try to trade him, but for someone who looks to trade players too soon, you are literally 3 years too late. GL, but you might as well hang on to him as no one will trade for him now. FWIW, I seriously would not trade Jordan Shipley for him.

 

[Dizzy]

Randy Moss' skill set that made him "special" throughout his career usually doesn't translate well into a post-30's NFL receiver. The WR's that effectively extend their career into their mid/late 30's are the hard working students of the game that excel in blitz recognition, getting in/out of breaks, and route running; Art Monk, Isaac Bruce, Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Hines Ward, others of that mold.

If the tread truly is coming off of Moss' wheels... he's done as an elite talent.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

the shark move is to cut/drop (or trade him for cheap) and let you competition pick him up and he will be so tempted to start him cause he is Randy Freakin Moss and guess what will happen.....He will then be pissed and coming here complaining about Mr.Randy Moss. I did this a few weeks ago when this cancer was killing my lineup and now i feel so good my competition got him and that headache.

 

[rocketsauce]

I know this should go in the Assistant Coach, but I need some quick thoughts to accept or reject this trade. Moss is killing me, obviously, and I've also got Austin. This offer is on the table:

I get: P. Garcon, S. Johnson, M. Lynch, D. Brown

I give: R. Moss, M. Austin, K. Moreno

I've clinched my playoff spot, and I'm starting Turner & A. Foster at RB for the playoffs (start 2 RB, 3 WR) so I don't need Moreno, barring injury. Greg Jennings is my #1 WR, so whichever duo I go with will be paired with him. I do also have injured Collie, Mike Sims-Walker, and injured Steve Smith on the bench.

This is my 10th year of my home league, and my 10th year making the playoffs, and I only have 2 Championships. I've been stuck holding the bag on highly drafted WRs (sometimes older guys) who end up not producing by the end of the year and cost me titles. I'm trying to avoid that this year.

Thoughts? Much appreciated. Will Moss come around, at all? He's unstartable until he produces, to me.

 

[footballnerd]

MIAMI GARDENS, Fla. On the Titans’ final offensive play — a fourth and 20 from the Miami 39 — Randy Moss was not in the game. Quarterback Vince Young threw into the end zone for wide receiver Justin Gage, but the pass was intercepted.

So why was Moss, one of the most accomplished receivers in history and a player with the ability to outleap defenders in such a situation, not in the game?

“He was tired; they were all tired,’’ Coach Jeff Fisher said of Moss and the other receivers. “That was a lot of running today. We tried to make a play in the end zone. He wasn’t not out there for any other reason than he was tired.”

Link

 

[Clifford]

I know this should go in the Assistant Coach, but I need some quick thoughts to accept or reject this trade. Moss is killing me, obviously, and I've also got Austin. This offer is on the table:I get: P. Garcon, S. Johnson, M. Lynch, D. BrownI give: R. Moss, M. Austin, K. MorenoI've clinched my playoff spot, and I'm starting Turner & A. Foster at RB for the playoffs (start 2 RB, 3 WR) so I don't need Moreno, barring injury. Greg Jennings is my #1 WR, so whichever duo I go with will be paired with him. I do also have injured Collie, Mike Sims-Walker, and injured Steve Smith on the bench. This is my 10th year of my home league, and my 10th year making the playoffs, and I only have 2 Championships. I've been stuck holding the bag on highly drafted WRs (sometimes older guys) who end up not producing by the end of the year and cost me titles. I'm trying to avoid that this year. Thoughts? Much appreciated. Will Moss come around, at all? He's unstartable until he produces, to me.

If you took Moss out of your side I would still reject. Just drop him.

 

[FarEastKilla]

The losing streak continues for moss' team.

 

[Sweet Love]

Here are Moss' numbers in his last 16 regular-season games:

48-712-11

He has not had a 100-yard game since Week 10 of last season. In his last 16 regular-season games, he has been held to two receptions or fewer seven times and he's been held to 45 receiving yards or fewer nine times.

If he wasn't "Randy Moss" how would you rank a WR who put up that type of production over the course of a full season?

I was literally slammed on this board no less than a week ago when I suggested that he didn't have it anymore. Just goes to show how long people will cling to name value and ignore reality.To OP, your prime dynasty window was after his 22 TD season. You could have had just about anyone.

Your subprime window was after the first 7-8 weeks of 2009, when he was still tearing it up.

Then, magically, you were given a gift when he was traded to Minnesota. This was really only a redraft window but chances are you could have landed a decent project like Royal or Crabtree for him. People's eyes went to saucers. Well, that was it. You have missed your window. You can try to trade him, but for someone who looks to trade players too soon, you are literally 3 years too late. GL, but you might as well hang on to him as no one will trade for him now. FWIW, I seriously would not trade Jordan Shipley for him.

Good point and it cannot be stressed enough. While some held onto hope, something just did not sit right with me and in the one league I owned him (PPR redraft), I was able to package him with Brandon Jacobs (that is the time he was starting to snipe TDs) for Roddy White. Not meant to be a "look at me post", but it is not as though he has sucked in the same situation without anything changing. There was a window and everyone (whether you held him or traded him at that point) made their own bed.

 

[packersfan]

There was a window and everyone (whether you held him or traded him at that point) made their own bed.

Yup. I thought he'd do well yesterday since he always does well with his first team. I was then going to try and trade him hoping that people would buy into the idea that the Titans were the perfect landing spot for him which I've seen plenty of writers say despite all of the clear evidence against that belief. Anyway, that plan is shot and he now heads to the WW in my league. I went through the same thing a couple of years ago with Torry Holt (though I held Moss longer). His name value kept him on my roster hoping despite all of the evidence which clearly showed that he was done and wouldn't recapture the level of production he once had.

 

[Hue G]

Randy Moss' skill set that made him "special" throughout his career usually doesn't translate well into a post-30's NFL receiver. The WR's that effectively extend their career into their mid/late 30's are the hard working students of the game that excel in blitz recognition, getting in/out of breaks, and route running; Art Monk, Isaac Bruce, Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Hines Ward, others of that mold.If the tread truly is coming off of Moss' wheels... he's done as an elite talent.

He's like the rich kid who's parents gave him anything he ever wanted toys, money, cars etc. and then they wonder why he turned out being a lazy bum that can't hold down a job. It's too bad too, probably the most talent WR that's EVER played.

 

[Clifford]

Here are Moss' numbers in his last 16 regular-season games:

48-712-11

He has not had a 100-yard game since Week 10 of last season. In his last 16 regular-season games, he has been held to two receptions or fewer seven times and he's been held to 45 receiving yards or fewer nine times.

If he wasn't "Randy Moss" how would you rank a WR who put up that type of production over the course of a full season?

I was literally slammed on this board no less than a week ago when I suggested that he didn't have it anymore. Just goes to show how long people will cling to name value and ignore reality.To OP, your prime dynasty window was after his 22 TD season. You could have had just about anyone.

Your subprime window was after the first 7-8 weeks of 2009, when he was still tearing it up.

Then, magically, you were given a gift when he was traded to Minnesota. This was really only a redraft window but chances are you could have landed a decent project like Royal or Crabtree for him. People's eyes went to saucers. Well, that was it. You have missed your window. You can try to trade him, but for someone who looks to trade players too soon, you are literally 3 years too late. GL, but you might as well hang on to him as no one will trade for him now. FWIW, I seriously would not trade Jordan Shipley for him.

Good point and it cannot be stressed enough. While some held onto hope, something just did not sit right with me and in the one league I owned him (PPR redraft), I was able to package him with Brandon Jacobs (that is the time he was starting to snipe TDs) for Roddy White. Not meant to be a "look at me post", but it is not as though he has sucked in the same situation without anything changing. There was a window and everyone (whether you held him or traded him at that point) made their own bed.

Traded him and SJax for Gore, Harvin, and Barber (who I dropped) and Waldman said it was a bad trade on the Audible. Upgraded both positions and got a worthless Barber as the kicker.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

To put this in perspective, he has fewer yards than Steve Breaston. And he's played in more games.

 

[packersfan]

To put this in perspective, he has fewer yards than Steve Breaston. And he's played in more games.

We can have all sorts of fun with this. He has fewer receptions and 100-yard games this season than Jordan Shipley.He also has fewer receptions in his last four games than Jordy Nelson.

 

[THE FANTASY KING]

The time to trade Randy Moss has come and gone. Generally, in dynasty leagues, when almost everyone is zigging, it can be a good time to zag. Moss' value is so incredibly low right now, owners have no choice but to sit on him, but it might not be a bad time to try and buy him for $.05 on the dollar either. He may have lost a "step," but I do not believe that his physical ability has just fallen off a cliff. Many Beat Writers in New England said he showed up to camp in the best shape he'd been his entire tenure at New England, no Doubt to help his cause for a new contract.

Regards,

THE FANTASY KING

 

[Dr. Awesome]

To put this in perspective, he has fewer yards than Steve Breaston. And he's played in more games.

We can have all sorts of fun with this. He has fewer receptions and 100-yard games this season than Jordan Shipley.He also has fewer receptions in his last four games than Jordy Nelson.

Ugh. I keep looking to "buy low" on Moss and then I run across stats like these and it causes me to ask why I should even want him. Thanks for the reality check.

 

[Dizzy]

To put this in perspective, he has fewer yards than Steve Breaston. And he's played in more games.

We can have all sorts of fun with this. He has fewer receptions and 100-yard games this season than Jordan Shipley.He also has fewer receptions in his last four games than Jordy Nelson.

He probably ranks around a PK2

 

[rocketsauce]

I wasn't gonna start Moss anymore (not until he did something anyway) so I managed to unload him tonight. Found interest from 1 of the 6 leaguemates I talked to, and I use the word "interest" lightly.

Traded my: K. Moreno, R. Moss, A. Collie

and received: M. Lynch, Donald Brown, P. Garcon, S. Holmes

I'm clinched for the playoffs and my starters are set at RB (Turner & Foster) so Moreno was slightly expendable. I have a bit of a man crush on Garcon and have been chasing him all season, but I'm happy to be rid of Moss now, and not have to worry about him putting up a game on my bench.

Just wanted to toss it in here to give perspective to any owners who could be looking to still try and deal off Moss for something, ANYTHING. I don't even like Santonio Holmes, but I'd much rather have him than Moss right now.

 

[packersfan]

I offered him for Jahvid Best fully expecting to be turned down today and I was. Best owner wanted no part of him even though he admits he's frustrated with Best.

 

[Ariakis]

I wasn't gonna start Moss anymore (not until he did something anyway) so I managed to unload him tonight. Found interest from 1 of the 6 leaguemates I talked to, and I use the word "interest" lightly. Traded my: K. Moreno, R. Moss, A. Collieand received: M. Lynch, Donald Brown, P. Garcon, S. HolmesI'm clinched for the playoffs and my starters are set at RB (Turner & Foster) so Moreno was slightly expendable. I have a bit of a man crush on Garcon and have been chasing him all season, but I'm happy to be rid of Moss now, and not have to worry about him putting up a game on my bench. Just wanted to toss it in here to give perspective to any owners who could be looking to still try and deal off Moss for something, ANYTHING. I don't even like Santonio Holmes, but I'd much rather have him than Moss right now.

Pretty sure you got ripped off considering Moreno's future value although if you can't start a flex you may have done OK if it's not a dynasty.

 

[rocketsauce]

Yeah, no dynasty. Just a redraft. And start 2 RB, 3 WR, No flex. And like I said -- I consider him expendable. I won't start him over Turner in the playoffs.

 

[elbowrm]

Ugh. With tonight's game I will be tempted to start him vs. Washington next week.

 

[hostile]

From a dynasty perspective, as a Moss owner myself, I think he's a hold.

Unfortunately, I think he's a guy you ride into the ground like we had to do with Marvin a few years ago, and like we're also seeing with Smiff right now. There's still something left, but his days as a dominant game-changer are over.

His tenure in Tennessee is an 8 game rental. I would not at all be surprised to see him in NE again next year. Keep in mind, even though they were last in the waiver claim race, they did put in a ticket for him.

You just have to ride it out, and wait and see what happens next year.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

IIRC no one BUT the Titans put in a claim for him.

I was waiting to hear if NE did put in a claim for him but on Mike & Mike they said only Tenn.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

You gotta love packersfan! The guy can't get enough of this thread, tossin Randy Moss on the scrap heap over and over...

Hilarious, because last week he kept saying that Moss would be getting the ball "A LOT". Why? Because the Titans needed to "justify the decision to claim him". Too funny.

 

[packersfan]

Ugh. With tonight's game I will be tempted to start him vs. Washington next week.

I'm having second thoughts about him now too. I really do hate this guy. I hate him more now than I ever did when he was tormenting the Packers.

 

[Doug B]

From a dynasty perspective, as a Moss owner myself, I think he's a hold.

Going into 2011 (assuming no long-term lockout) ... would it be that crazy for Randy Moss, wherever he lands, to perform at least as a legit FFB WR2? Look how Terrell Owens has pulled stats out of his backside this year.

 

[Clifford]

I wasn't gonna start Moss anymore (not until he did something anyway) so I managed to unload him tonight. Found interest from 1 of the 6 leaguemates I talked to, and I use the word "interest" lightly. Traded my: K. Moreno, R. Moss, A. Collieand received: M. Lynch, Donald Brown, P. Garcon, S. HolmesI'm clinched for the playoffs and my starters are set at RB (Turner & Foster) so Moreno was slightly expendable. I have a bit of a man crush on Garcon and have been chasing him all season, but I'm happy to be rid of Moss now, and not have to worry about him putting up a game on my bench. Just wanted to toss it in here to give perspective to any owners who could be looking to still try and deal off Moss for something, ANYTHING. I don't even like Santonio Holmes, but I'd much rather have him than Moss right now.

You got ripped. Collie Moreno >>>>>>> Lynch, Brown, Garcon, Holmesthis is why you should just drop him.

 

[Clifford]

From a dynasty perspective, as a Moss owner myself, I think he's a hold.

Going into 2011 (assuming no long-term lockout) ... would it be that crazy for Randy Moss, wherever he lands, to perform at least as a legit FFB WR2? Look how Terrell Owens has pulled stats out of his backside this year.

TO gives a crap

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

I wasn't gonna start Moss anymore (not until he did something anyway) so I managed to unload him tonight. Found interest from 1 of the 6 leaguemates I talked to, and I use the word "interest" lightly.

Traded my: K. Moreno, R. Moss, A. Collie

and received: M. Lynch, Donald Brown, P. Garcon, S. Holmes

I'm clinched for the playoffs and my starters are set at RB (Turner & Foster) so Moreno was slightly expendable. I have a bit of a man crush on Garcon and have been chasing him all season, but I'm happy to be rid of Moss now, and not have to worry about him putting up a game on my bench.

Just wanted to toss it in here to give perspective to any owners who could be looking to still try and deal off Moss for something, ANYTHING. I don't even like Santonio Holmes, but I'd much rather have him than Moss right now.

You got ripped. Collie Moreno >>>>>>> Lynch, Brown, Garcon, Holmesthis is why you should just drop him.

Are you high? A bad deal with insufficient talent in return is better than no deal at all.

 

[Clifford]

I wasn't gonna start Moss anymore (not until he did something anyway) so I managed to unload him tonight. Found interest from 1 of the 6 leaguemates I talked to, and I use the word "interest" lightly.

Traded my: K. Moreno, R. Moss, A. Collie

and received: M. Lynch, Donald Brown, P. Garcon, S. Holmes

I'm clinched for the playoffs and my starters are set at RB (Turner & Foster) so Moreno was slightly expendable. I have a bit of a man crush on Garcon and have been chasing him all season, but I'm happy to be rid of Moss now, and not have to worry about him putting up a game on my bench.

Just wanted to toss it in here to give perspective to any owners who could be looking to still try and deal off Moss for something, ANYTHING. I don't even like Santonio Holmes, but I'd much rather have him than Moss right now.

You got ripped. Collie Moreno >>>>>>> Lynch, Brown, Garcon, Holmesthis is why you should just drop him.

Are you high? A bad deal with insufficient talent in return is better than no deal at all.

To me I would much rather have one back I knew I could start than two backs who I'd feel very hesitant about starting. Therefore Moreno >>> Lynch/Brown (who are both WW material)if he needs two starting WRs then I suppose Garcon Holmes > Moss Collie, but it doesn't make the other side of the deal worth it.

Whereas if he dropped Moss and grabbed a guy like Amendola or Cotchery or Hester or Shipley or Armstrong, he'd keep Collie and Moreno and upgrade over Moss. Why is this hard to understand?

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

From a dynasty perspective, as a Moss owner myself, I think he's a hold.

Going into 2011 (assuming no long-term lockout) ... would it be that crazy for Randy Moss, wherever he lands, to perform at least as a legit FFB WR2? Look how Terrell Owens has pulled stats out of his backside this year.

But I think TO and Moss are different types of WR. TO has never relied on speed to be a great WR. He physically competes for balls despite coverage, runs many of his patterns in the middle of the field, and creates yards after contact. Moss relies on his straight-line speed to create separation. His speed is no longer elite and his ability to separate from DBs, especially when doubled, is diminishing. Certainly Moss can still go up and get a ball, but those throws are less likely in double coverage. Moss is not a great route runner, won't work the middle of the field and has little physicality to his game. I think we're seeing the beginning of the end with him.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I'd be buying Moss in dynasty leagues right now.

 

[chinawildman]

I understand that TO and Moss are totally different styles of receivers, but weren't these same things being said about TO during his last yr in Dallas and last year? I know we casual fans like to feel like we know all about how a player looks and this and that, but honestly all it takes is one great FF game for everyone to do an about face. His top end speed isn't there anymore and the jump balls aren't coming as easily, but he still looks the part IMO as far as the way he runs his routes. Whether the titans have a qb that can get him the ball is another matter.

I don't expect him to be a great FF wr this year. I think he'll do just enough to make you want to start him by catching a TD here and there. But to just write him off as the beginning of the end is premature IMO.

 

[footballnerd]

(Rotoworld) Titans coach Jeff Fisher indicated that Randy Moss would be more involved in Week 11 than he was in Week 10. Analysis: It would be hard for him to be less involved, as Moss saw just four targets and came away with one reception. Fisher said Moss not knowing the playbook yet wasn't an issue, as the team actually scrapped a package of plays just for Moss because the receiver picked up the offense so quickly. Expect Moss to fare better this weekend against a Redskins defense that was decimated Monday night.

(KFFL) Tennessee Titans head coach Jeff Fisher said the team plans to get WR Randy Moss more involved in the offense, according to Jim Wyatt, of The Tennessean. Fisher admitted there were some missed opportunities with the veteran receiver, who was targeted only four times and caught one pass for 26 yards in Week 10. "Randy has been here just a week, OK? We have a lot of stuff we will sift through and sort through and try to create more opportunities for him," Fisher said.

FWIW: Last week Collins had an injured thumb that affected his throws (he was throwing ducks), and VY had a bum ankle and probably no reps with Moss during practice since he was not scheduled to start.

 

[B Will]

Honestly... I would be buying Moss low right now.

His stats can only get "better" right?

Usually guys with this skillset who come off with a bad start, end the season Solid!...

The coach says he will be getting more looks, and i dont see how he wouldnt! They have CJ! Its not like they will be leaving him uncovered all the time, and double Moss. IMO he's a bigger threat to break a big play than Moss

 

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Of course if his name was Joe Schmo instead of "Randy Moss" he would've been dropped in most league but....

...at this point, I think he may indeed by a good buy low or just simply a good hold.

I hate having him b/c I can't bench him but this week, I think he delivers.

I had a bad feeling about the Phins game b/c Vontae Davis is a solid CB and the Phins double him and, most importantly, Kerry Collins' hand was just not right and he was tossing total ducks.

This week with WSH and a week of practice with VY, I think Moss finally has a good game - maybe even his first 100 yard game since week 10 of 2009.