Letter from Roger Goodell (1 Viewer)

[FUBAR]

I'm sure many of us got this email last night. Seems he's trying to make fans support the owners but IMO it comes off as patronizing and if this is how he's running things, my support is firmly with the players.

Dear NFL Fan,

When I wrote to you last on behalf of the NFL, we promised you that we would work tirelessly to find a collectively bargained solution to our differences with the players' union. Subsequent to that letter to you, we agreed that the fastest way to a fair agreement was for everyone to work together through a mediation process. For the last three weeks I have personally attended every session of mediation, which is a process our clubs sincerely believe in.

Unfortunately, I have to tell you that earlier today the players' union walked away from mediation and collective bargaining and has initiated litigation against the clubs. In an effort to get a fair agreement now, our clubs offered a deal today that was, among other things, designed to have no adverse financial impact on veteran players in the early years, and would have met the players’ financial demands in the latter years of the agreement.

The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

It was a deal that offered compromise, and would have ensured the well-being of our players and guaranteed the long-term future for the fans of the great game we all love so much. It was a deal where everyone would prosper.

We remain committed to collective bargaining and the federal mediation process until an agreement is reached, and call on the union to return to negotiations immediately. NFL players, clubs, and fans want an agreement. The only place it can be reached is at the bargaining table.

While we are disappointed with the union's actions, we remain steadfastly committed to reaching an agreement that serves the best interest of NFL players, clubs and fans, and thank you for your continued support of our League. First and foremost it is your passion for the game that drives us all, and we will not lose sight of this as we continue to work for a deal that works for everyone.

Yours,

Roger Goodell

 

[Osaurus]

Well I feel better.

 

[underdog223]

I'm sure many of us got this email last night. Seems he's trying to make fans support the owners but IMO it comes off as patronizing and if this is how he's running things, my support is firmly with the players.

Dear NFL Fan,

When I wrote to you last on behalf of the NFL, we promised you that we would work tirelessly to find a collectively bargained solution to our differences with the players' union. Subsequent to that letter to you, we agreed that the fastest way to a fair agreement was for everyone to work together through a mediation process. For the last three weeks I have personally attended every session of mediation, which is a process our clubs sincerely believe in.

Unfortunately, I have to tell you that earlier today the players' union walked away from mediation and collective bargaining and has initiated litigation against the clubs. In an effort to get a fair agreement now, our clubs offered a deal today that was, among other things, designed to have no adverse financial impact on veteran players in the early years, and would have met the players’ financial demands in the latter years of the agreement.

The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

It was a deal that offered compromise, and would have ensured the well-being of our players and guaranteed the long-term future for the fans of the great game we all love so much. It was a deal where everyone would prosper.

We remain committed to collective bargaining and the federal mediation process until an agreement is reached, and call on the union to return to negotiations immediately. NFL players, clubs, and fans want an agreement. The only place it can be reached is at the bargaining table.

While we are disappointed with the union's actions, we remain steadfastly committed to reaching an agreement that serves the best interest of NFL players, clubs and fans, and thank you for your continued support of our League. First and foremost it is your passion for the game that drives us all, and we will not lose sight of this as we continue to work for a deal that works for everyone.

Yours,

Roger Goodell

When I look at this I wonder what fantasy world these players are in. How many of us make millions of dollars playing a game. I say let them go out and find a real job, get a real check to pay the bills, then they will see what the real world is all about. The league did about all they could and they wouldn't budge. Screw those spoiled ###'s, let them make a living washing cars, I can live without football.

 

[Ranethe]

I'm sure many of us got this email last night. Seems he's trying to make fans support the owners but IMO it comes off as patronizing and if this is how he's running things, my support is firmly with the players.

Dear NFL Fan,

When I wrote to you last on behalf of the NFL, we promised you that we would work tirelessly to find a collectively bargained solution to our differences with the players' union. Subsequent to that letter to you, we agreed that the fastest way to a fair agreement was for everyone to work together through a mediation process. For the last three weeks I have personally attended every session of mediation, which is a process our clubs sincerely believe in.

Unfortunately, I have to tell you that earlier today the players' union walked away from mediation and collective bargaining and has initiated litigation against the clubs. In an effort to get a fair agreement now, our clubs offered a deal today that was, among other things, designed to have no adverse financial impact on veteran players in the early years, and would have met the players’ financial demands in the latter years of the agreement.

The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

It was a deal that offered compromise, and would have ensured the well-being of our players and guaranteed the long-term future for the fans of the great game we all love so much. It was a deal where everyone would prosper.

We remain committed to collective bargaining and the federal mediation process until an agreement is reached, and call on the union to return to negotiations immediately. NFL players, clubs, and fans want an agreement. The only place it can be reached is at the bargaining table.

While we are disappointed with the union's actions, we remain steadfastly committed to reaching an agreement that serves the best interest of NFL players, clubs and fans, and thank you for your continued support of our League. First and foremost it is your passion for the game that drives us all, and we will not lose sight of this as we continue to work for a deal that works for everyone.

Yours,

Roger Goodell

When I look at this I wonder what fantasy world these players are in. How many of us make millions of dollars playing a game. I say let them go out and find a real job, get a real check to pay the bills, then they will see what the real world is all about. The league did about all they could and they wouldn't budge. Screw those spoiled ###'s, let them make a living washing cars, I can live without football.

 

[Orange Crush]

The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

When he says "no compensation reduction for veterans" I wonder what he means by that? It seems to imply that all of the reduction in money to players is going to be taken out of the first round rookies. Only there's no way $325M to $500M (the numbers bandied about regarding the difference totals) can be saved that way. Which makes me think that phrase really refers to no reduction in minimum salary for veterans. I don't know for sure, though. I'd like to find out.

 

[Gigantomachia]

I'm sure many of us got this email last night. Seems he's trying to make fans support the owners but IMO it comes off as patronizing and if this is how he's running things, my support is firmly with the players.

Dear NFL Fan,

When I wrote to you last on behalf of the NFL, we promised you that we would work tirelessly to find a collectively bargained solution to our differences with the players' union. Subsequent to that letter to you, we agreed that the fastest way to a fair agreement was for everyone to work together through a mediation process. For the last three weeks I have personally attended every session of mediation, which is a process our clubs sincerely believe in.

Unfortunately, I have to tell you that earlier today the players' union walked away from mediation and collective bargaining and has initiated litigation against the clubs. In an effort to get a fair agreement now, our clubs offered a deal today that was, among other things, designed to have no adverse financial impact on veteran players in the early years, and would have met the players’ financial demands in the latter years of the agreement.

The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

It was a deal that offered compromise, and would have ensured the well-being of our players and guaranteed the long-term future for the fans of the great game we all love so much. It was a deal where everyone would prosper.

We remain committed to collective bargaining and the federal mediation process until an agreement is reached, and call on the union to return to negotiations immediately. NFL players, clubs, and fans want an agreement. The only place it can be reached is at the bargaining table.

While we are disappointed with the union's actions, we remain steadfastly committed to reaching an agreement that serves the best interest of NFL players, clubs and fans, and thank you for your continued support of our League. First and foremost it is your passion for the game that drives us all, and we will not lose sight of this as we continue to work for a deal that works for everyone.

Yours,

Roger Goodell

When I look at this I wonder what fantasy world these players are in. How many of us make millions of dollars playing a game. I say let them go out and find a real job, get a real check to pay the bills, then they will see what the real world is all about. The league did about all they could and they wouldn't budge. Screw those spoiled ###'s, let them make a living washing cars, I can live without football.

 

[Hoosier16]

Which makes me think that phrase really refers to no reduction in minimum salary for veterans. I don't know for sure, though. I'd like to find out.

That's what I assumed it to be. The veteran minimum is the only thing he can really control.

 

[faulkfan]

The truth is I have trouble relating to either party in this jacked up soap opera. I am not making millions playing a game for 6 months a year and I am certainly not making billions off the backs of a bunch of millionaires playing a game for 6 months of the year.

Have you ever seen a guy with an awesome girlfriend absolutely mistreat, disrespect, and take her for granted? Welcome to the NFL. Neither the players nor the owners truly appreciate what they have here and sometimes when you "take a break" from your girlfriend she realizes that there are other options out there to fill her time.

I love the NFL and I love fantasy football and if I had to choose a side it would be the players only because it is easier for me (but still difficult) to relate to a millionaire than a billionaire. But who really gives a crap what side we are on? It is the polarizing notion that we need to choose a side that allows the players and owners to delude themselves into thinking they can win this fight through public support.

Suffice it to say I will be entrenched in college football this fall.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Think MLB is drooling at this point?

GO TWINS!!!

 

[djmich]

Didn't feel patronizing to me.

 

[underdog223]

The truth is I have trouble relating to either party in this jacked up soap opera. I am not making millions playing a game for 6 months a year and I am certainly not making billions off the backs of a bunch of millionaires playing a game for 6 months of the year.Have you ever seen a guy with an awesome girlfriend absolutely mistreat, disrespect, and take her for granted? Welcome to the NFL. Neither the players nor the owners truly appreciate what they have here and sometimes when you "take a break" from your girlfriend she realizes that there are other options out there to fill her time.I love the NFL and I love fantasy football and if I had to choose a side it would be the players only because it is easier for me (but still difficult) to relate to a millionaire than a billionaire. But who really gives a crap what side we are on? It is the polarizing notion that we need to choose a side that allows the players and owners to delude themselves into thinking they can win this fight through public support.Suffice it to say I will be entrenched in college football this fall.

I think the big sticking point was, "I WANT TO SEE THE BOOKS", I ask you, When you hire a carpenter to do some work, do you show them how much you make so they can decide what to charge ??? This is the same thing. It's supply and demand, if you have a talent, then you get paid for it. They have God given ability and they are paid plenty. If they don't like that pay they can always try another occupation. Fat chance of that !!!

 

[todisco1]

The truth is I have trouble relating to either party in this jacked up soap opera. I am not making millions playing a game for 6 months a year and I am certainly not making billions off the backs of a bunch of millionaires playing a game for 6 months of the year.Have you ever seen a guy with an awesome girlfriend absolutely mistreat, disrespect, and take her for granted? Welcome to the NFL. Neither the players nor the owners truly appreciate what they have here and sometimes when you "take a break" from your girlfriend she realizes that there are other options out there to fill her time.I love the NFL and I love fantasy football and if I had to choose a side it would be the players only because it is easier for me (but still difficult) to relate to a millionaire than a billionaire. But who really gives a crap what side we are on? It is the polarizing notion that we need to choose a side that allows the players and owners to delude themselves into thinking they can win this fight through public support.Suffice it to say I will be entrenched in college football this fall.

I think the big sticking point was, "I WANT TO SEE THE BOOKS", I ask you, When you hire a carpenter to do some work, do you show them how much you make so they can decide what to charge ??? This is the same thing. It's supply and demand, if you have a talent, then you get paid for it. They have God given ability and they are paid plenty. If they don't like that pay they can always try another occupation. Fat chance of that !!!

Not a good analogy IMO. I would liken it to working for a corporation that is enjoying the greatest profits in its history and is the unquestioned leader in its field, and then you're told that all employees across the board must take a 25% pay cut because the company is struggling, and no further information will be provided.

 

[Gigantomachia]

The truth is I have trouble relating to either party in this jacked up soap opera. I am not making millions playing a game for 6 months a year and I am certainly not making billions off the backs of a bunch of millionaires playing a game for 6 months of the year.Have you ever seen a guy with an awesome girlfriend absolutely mistreat, disrespect, and take her for granted? Welcome to the NFL. Neither the players nor the owners truly appreciate what they have here and sometimes when you "take a break" from your girlfriend she realizes that there are other options out there to fill her time.I love the NFL and I love fantasy football and if I had to choose a side it would be the players only because it is easier for me (but still difficult) to relate to a millionaire than a billionaire. But who really gives a crap what side we are on? It is the polarizing notion that we need to choose a side that allows the players and owners to delude themselves into thinking they can win this fight through public support.Suffice it to say I will be entrenched in college football this fall.

I think the big sticking point was, "I WANT TO SEE THE BOOKS", I ask you, When you hire a carpenter to do some work, do you show them how much you make so they can decide what to charge ??? This is the same thing. It's supply and demand, if you have a talent, then you get paid for it. They have God given ability and they are paid plenty. If they don't like that pay they can always try another occupation. Fat chance of that !!!

What, wait? Your analogy makes no sense. I do not ask the carpenter to show me the books because I can always go to another carpenter if I do not like the price set by the first one. NFL players do NOT have that same option, so you are simply confused or attempting to be confusing; though my experience usually suggest it is the former.That being said, what the claim--as I understand it--is coming from the owners, is that they are losing money and cannot afford to continue down the path they are on. Now IF that is true, which I reckon it could be, the only "proof" of such an argument would be in the "books". IF they really are on a "bad" financial path, they could always sell the team no? Moreover, if the "books" proved their claims I cannot imagine the players would not give in, as they stand to lose as much as the owners. That being said, the refusal to "prove" their claims on the part of the owners sure seems to suggest they cannot support their claims.And not every player in the NFL is a millionaire, but it is safe to say that there are NO OWNERS worried about where their next paycheck will come from; just saying.

 

[crush304]

The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

When he says "no compensation reduction for veterans" I wonder what he means by that? It seems to imply that all of the reduction in money to players is going to be taken out of the first round rookies. Only there's no way $325M to $500M (the numbers bandied about regarding the difference totals) can be saved that way. Which makes me think that phrase really refers to no reduction in minimum salary for veterans. I don't know for sure, though. I'd like to find out.

i read that instead of reducing the current cap figure they could just hold if fixed for a few years instead of inflating it every year. then no current deals have to be reduced but in 5 years all the players are making less then what they would have been under the old deal

 

[underdog223]

The truth is I have trouble relating to either party in this jacked up soap opera. I am not making millions playing a game for 6 months a year and I am certainly not making billions off the backs of a bunch of millionaires playing a game for 6 months of the year.Have you ever seen a guy with an awesome girlfriend absolutely mistreat, disrespect, and take her for granted? Welcome to the NFL. Neither the players nor the owners truly appreciate what they have here and sometimes when you "take a break" from your girlfriend she realizes that there are other options out there to fill her time.I love the NFL and I love fantasy football and if I had to choose a side it would be the players only because it is easier for me (but still difficult) to relate to a millionaire than a billionaire. But who really gives a crap what side we are on? It is the polarizing notion that we need to choose a side that allows the players and owners to delude themselves into thinking they can win this fight through public support.Suffice it to say I will be entrenched in college football this fall.

I think the big sticking point was, "I WANT TO SEE THE BOOKS", I ask you, When you hire a carpenter to do some work, do you show them how much you make so they can decide what to charge ??? This is the same thing. It's supply and demand, if you have a talent, then you get paid for it. They have God given ability and they are paid plenty. If they don't like that pay they can always try another occupation. Fat chance of that !!!

Not a good analogy IMO. I would liken it to working for a corporation that is enjoying the greatest profits in its history and is the unquestioned leader in its field, and then you're told that all employees across the board must take a 25% pay cut because the company is struggling, and no further information will be provided.

Where do you see a pay cut ??? The owners gave them everything they wanted. The only pay cut was rookie pay and the players wanted that too. Plus, these owners don't do this for they're health, of course they want to make a profit, when they don't, there won't be any football. That's the way things work. The guys with the money makes money from others, and in turn those guys make money from someone else.

 

[BusMan]

The truth is I have trouble relating to either party in this jacked up soap opera. I am not making millions playing a game for 6 months a year and I am certainly not making billions off the backs of a bunch of millionaires playing a game for 6 months of the year.Have you ever seen a guy with an awesome girlfriend absolutely mistreat, disrespect, and take her for granted? Welcome to the NFL. Neither the players nor the owners truly appreciate what they have here and sometimes when you "take a break" from your girlfriend she realizes that there are other options out there to fill her time.I love the NFL and I love fantasy football and if I had to choose a side it would be the players only because it is easier for me (but still difficult) to relate to a millionaire than a billionaire. But who really gives a crap what side we are on? It is the polarizing notion that we need to choose a side that allows the players and owners to delude themselves into thinking they can win this fight through public support.Suffice it to say I will be entrenched in college football this fall.

I really like your analogy, although it kind of falls apart when you think about paying money to watch the awesome girlfriend do what she does best.I'm pro-labor (players) but that's just me. Truthfully, I'm just pro-NFL football happening in 2011.

 

[Gigantomachia]

The truth is I have trouble relating to either party in this jacked up soap opera. I am not making millions playing a game for 6 months a year and I am certainly not making billions off the backs of a bunch of millionaires playing a game for 6 months of the year.Have you ever seen a guy with an awesome girlfriend absolutely mistreat, disrespect, and take her for granted? Welcome to the NFL. Neither the players nor the owners truly appreciate what they have here and sometimes when you "take a break" from your girlfriend she realizes that there are other options out there to fill her time.I love the NFL and I love fantasy football and if I had to choose a side it would be the players only because it is easier for me (but still difficult) to relate to a millionaire than a billionaire. But who really gives a crap what side we are on? It is the polarizing notion that we need to choose a side that allows the players and owners to delude themselves into thinking they can win this fight through public support.Suffice it to say I will be entrenched in college football this fall.

I think the big sticking point was, "I WANT TO SEE THE BOOKS", I ask you, When you hire a carpenter to do some work, do you show them how much you make so they can decide what to charge ??? This is the same thing. It's supply and demand, if you have a talent, then you get paid for it. They have God given ability and they are paid plenty. If they don't like that pay they can always try another occupation. Fat chance of that !!!

Not a good analogy IMO. I would liken it to working for a corporation that is enjoying the greatest profits in its history and is the unquestioned leader in its field, and then you're told that all employees across the board must take a 25% pay cut because the company is struggling, and no further information will be provided.

Where do you see a pay cut ??? The owners gave them everything they wanted. The only pay cut was rookie pay and the players wanted that too. Plus, these owners don't do this for they're health, of course they want to make a profit, when they don't, there won't be any football. That's the way things work. The guys with the money makes money from others, and in turn those guys make money from someone else.

lol, the mere fact they do not sell their teams speaks volumes. Are u a Jerry Jones alias??

 

[BusMan]

The truth is I have trouble relating to either party in this jacked up soap opera. I am not making millions playing a game for 6 months a year and I am certainly not making billions off the backs of a bunch of millionaires playing a game for 6 months of the year.Have you ever seen a guy with an awesome girlfriend absolutely mistreat, disrespect, and take her for granted? Welcome to the NFL. Neither the players nor the owners truly appreciate what they have here and sometimes when you "take a break" from your girlfriend she realizes that there are other options out there to fill her time.I love the NFL and I love fantasy football and if I had to choose a side it would be the players only because it is easier for me (but still difficult) to relate to a millionaire than a billionaire. But who really gives a crap what side we are on? It is the polarizing notion that we need to choose a side that allows the players and owners to delude themselves into thinking they can win this fight through public support.Suffice it to say I will be entrenched in college football this fall.

I think the big sticking point was, "I WANT TO SEE THE BOOKS", I ask you, When you hire a carpenter to do some work, do you show them how much you make so they can decide what to charge ??? This is the same thing. It's supply and demand, if you have a talent, then you get paid for it. They have God given ability and they are paid plenty. If they don't like that pay they can always try another occupation. Fat chance of that !!!

Not a good analogy IMO. I would liken it to working for a corporation that is enjoying the greatest profits in its history and is the unquestioned leader in its field, and then you're told that all employees across the board must take a 25% pay cut because the company is struggling, and no further information will be provided.

Where do you see a pay cut ??? The owners gave them everything they wanted. The only pay cut was rookie pay and the players wanted that too. Plus, these owners don't do this for they're health, of course they want to make a profit, when they don't, there won't be any football. That's the way things work. The guys with the money makes money from others, and in turn those guys make money from someone else.

lol, the mere fact they do not sell their teams speaks volumes. Are u a Jerry Jones alias??

Thats a great point. I'm sure if the owners are feeling the pinch there are plenty of other billionaires who would gladly pay them for their franchises.

 

[krsone21]

I'm sure many of us got this email last night. Seems he's trying to make fans support the owners but IMO it comes off as patronizing and if this is how he's running things, my support is firmly with the players.

Dear NFL Fan,

When I wrote to you last on behalf of the NFL, we promised you that we would work tirelessly to find a collectively bargained solution to our differences with the players' union. Subsequent to that letter to you, we agreed that the fastest way to a fair agreement was for everyone to work together through a mediation process. For the last three weeks I have personally attended every session of mediation, which is a process our clubs sincerely believe in.

Unfortunately, I have to tell you that earlier today the players' union walked away from mediation and collective bargaining and has initiated litigation against the clubs. In an effort to get a fair agreement now, our clubs offered a deal today that was, among other things, designed to have no adverse financial impact on veteran players in the early years, and would have met the players’ financial demands in the latter years of the agreement.

The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

It was a deal that offered compromise, and would have ensured the well-being of our players and guaranteed the long-term future for the fans of the great game we all love so much. It was a deal where everyone would prosper.

We remain committed to collective bargaining and the federal mediation process until an agreement is reached, and call on the union to return to negotiations immediately. NFL players, clubs, and fans want an agreement. The only place it can be reached is at the bargaining table.

While we are disappointed with the union's actions, we remain steadfastly committed to reaching an agreement that serves the best interest of NFL players, clubs and fans, and thank you for your continued support of our League. First and foremost it is your passion for the game that drives us all, and we will not lose sight of this as we continue to work for a deal that works for everyone.

Yours,

Roger Goodell

I like the letter myself. Goodell layed out what they offered the player which doesn't look bad at all to me and I'm sure there was some room for negotiation within in that deal. The players decided to walk away and not continue negotiating, not the owners. So at this point and time the owners have my full support.

 

[underdog223]

The truth is I have trouble relating to either party in this jacked up soap opera. I am not making millions playing a game for 6 months a year and I am certainly not making billions off the backs of a bunch of millionaires playing a game for 6 months of the year.Have you ever seen a guy with an awesome girlfriend absolutely mistreat, disrespect, and take her for granted? Welcome to the NFL. Neither the players nor the owners truly appreciate what they have here and sometimes when you "take a break" from your girlfriend she realizes that there are other options out there to fill her time.I love the NFL and I love fantasy football and if I had to choose a side it would be the players only because it is easier for me (but still difficult) to relate to a millionaire than a billionaire. But who really gives a crap what side we are on? It is the polarizing notion that we need to choose a side that allows the players and owners to delude themselves into thinking they can win this fight through public support.Suffice it to say I will be entrenched in college football this fall.

I think the big sticking point was, "I WANT TO SEE THE BOOKS", I ask you, When you hire a carpenter to do some work, do you show them how much you make so they can decide what to charge ??? This is the same thing. It's supply and demand, if you have a talent, then you get paid for it. They have God given ability and they are paid plenty. If they don't like that pay they can always try another occupation. Fat chance of that !!!

What, wait? Your analogy makes no sense. I do not ask the carpenter to show me the books because I can always go to another carpenter if I do not like the price set by the first one. NFL players do NOT have that same option, so you are simply confused or attempting to be confusing; though my experience usually suggest it is the former.That being said, what the claim--as I understand it--is coming from the owners, is that they are losing money and cannot afford to continue down the path they are on. Now IF that is true, which I reckon it could be, the only "proof" of such an argument would be in the "books". IF they really are on a "bad" financial path, they could always sell the team no? Moreover, if the "books" proved their claims I cannot imagine the players would not give in, as they stand to lose as much as the owners. That being said, the refusal to "prove" their claims on the part of the owners sure seems to suggest they cannot support their claims.And not every player in the NFL is a millionaire, but it is safe to say that there are NO OWNERS worried about where their next paycheck will come from; just saying.

I think you are the one confused. Players go where the best pay is all the time. That's what we call a free agent. 2nd, I wouldn't show them the books either, That's my business not theirs. They make top dollar for their services and that's all they need to know. You are right, they don't all make millions but I'll take that check anytime. They still make more then 99% of us. Give me that check for 3 years and I'll live comfortable.

 

[krsone21]

#### you Roger.

The CBA was renewed in 2006 and lasted through the 2012 season.

You should have worked towards a new one while that was still in place.

#### you NFLPA. You had a completely workable deal in hand and the latest concessions by the owners--huge concessions, things you were asking for--was a fantastic step in the right direction.At minimum, you had to extend talks. But, that's assuming you were willing to negotiate in good faith. You weren't. You wanted the opportunity to squeeze the owners and take them to court.

Good luck with that anti-trust suit. You potentially screwed all of us fans. But, the best part is...you likely just screwed yourselves. That's what happens when union lemmings follow blindly follow their leader.

 

[Orange Crush]

The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

When he says "no compensation reduction for veterans" I wonder what he means by that? It seems to imply that all of the reduction in money to players is going to be taken out of the first round rookies. Only there's no way $325M to $500M (the numbers bandied about regarding the difference totals) can be saved that way. Which makes me think that phrase really refers to no reduction in minimum salary for veterans. I don't know for sure, though. I'd like to find out.

i read that instead of reducing the current cap figure they could just hold if fixed for a few years instead of inflating it every year. then no current deals have to be reduced but in 5 years all the players are making less then what they would have been under the old deal

Ah. Yes, that makes more sense.

 

[underdog223]

The truth is I have trouble relating to either party in this jacked up soap opera. I am not making millions playing a game for 6 months a year and I am certainly not making billions off the backs of a bunch of millionaires playing a game for 6 months of the year.Have you ever seen a guy with an awesome girlfriend absolutely mistreat, disrespect, and take her for granted? Welcome to the NFL. Neither the players nor the owners truly appreciate what they have here and sometimes when you "take a break" from your girlfriend she realizes that there are other options out there to fill her time.I love the NFL and I love fantasy football and if I had to choose a side it would be the players only because it is easier for me (but still difficult) to relate to a millionaire than a billionaire. But who really gives a crap what side we are on? It is the polarizing notion that we need to choose a side that allows the players and owners to delude themselves into thinking they can win this fight through public support.Suffice it to say I will be entrenched in college football this fall.

I think the big sticking point was, "I WANT TO SEE THE BOOKS", I ask you, When you hire a carpenter to do some work, do you show them how much you make so they can decide what to charge ??? This is the same thing. It's supply and demand, if you have a talent, then you get paid for it. They have God given ability and they are paid plenty. If they don't like that pay they can always try another occupation. Fat chance of that !!!

Not a good analogy IMO. I would liken it to working for a corporation that is enjoying the greatest profits in its history and is the unquestioned leader in its field, and then you're told that all employees across the board must take a 25% pay cut because the company is struggling, and no further information will be provided.

Where do you see a pay cut ??? The owners gave them everything they wanted. The only pay cut was rookie pay and the players wanted that too. Plus, these owners don't do this for they're health, of course they want to make a profit, when they don't, there won't be any football. That's the way things work. The guys with the money makes money from others, and in turn those guys make money from someone else.

lol, the mere fact they do not sell their teams speaks volumes. Are u a Jerry Jones alias??

Thats a great point. I'm sure if the owners are feeling the pinch there are plenty of other billionaires who would gladly pay them for their franchises.

You guys go have a love fest...I'm headed for the stadium...Oh crap, did I say that ??? LOL

 

[Gigantomachia]

The truth is I have trouble relating to either party in this jacked up soap opera. I am not making millions playing a game for 6 months a year and I am certainly not making billions off the backs of a bunch of millionaires playing a game for 6 months of the year.Have you ever seen a guy with an awesome girlfriend absolutely mistreat, disrespect, and take her for granted? Welcome to the NFL. Neither the players nor the owners truly appreciate what they have here and sometimes when you "take a break" from your girlfriend she realizes that there are other options out there to fill her time.I love the NFL and I love fantasy football and if I had to choose a side it would be the players only because it is easier for me (but still difficult) to relate to a millionaire than a billionaire. But who really gives a crap what side we are on? It is the polarizing notion that we need to choose a side that allows the players and owners to delude themselves into thinking they can win this fight through public support.Suffice it to say I will be entrenched in college football this fall.

I think the big sticking point was, "I WANT TO SEE THE BOOKS", I ask you, When you hire a carpenter to do some work, do you show them how much you make so they can decide what to charge ??? This is the same thing. It's supply and demand, if you have a talent, then you get paid for it. They have God given ability and they are paid plenty. If they don't like that pay they can always try another occupation. Fat chance of that !!!

What, wait? Your analogy makes no sense. I do not ask the carpenter to show me the books because I can always go to another carpenter if I do not like the price set by the first one. NFL players do NOT have that same option, so you are simply confused or attempting to be confusing; though my experience usually suggest it is the former.That being said, what the claim--as I understand it--is coming from the owners, is that they are losing money and cannot afford to continue down the path they are on. Now IF that is true, which I reckon it could be, the only "proof" of such an argument would be in the "books". IF they really are on a "bad" financial path, they could always sell the team no? Moreover, if the "books" proved their claims I cannot imagine the players would not give in, as they stand to lose as much as the owners. That being said, the refusal to "prove" their claims on the part of the owners sure seems to suggest they cannot support their claims.And not every player in the NFL is a millionaire, but it is safe to say that there are NO OWNERS worried about where their next paycheck will come from; just saying.

I think you are the one confused. Players go where the best pay is all the time. That's what we call a free agent. 2nd, I wouldn't show them the books either, That's my business not theirs. They make top dollar for their services and that's all they need to know. You are right, they don't all make millions but I'll take that check anytime. They still make more then 99% of us. Give me that check for 3 years and I'll live comfortable.

You still seem to misunderstand the difference between taking one's services to another business and having to remain within the same business w/the ability to change offices. HUGE difference.But I agree, I would take the league minimum for MY JOB in a heartbeat. Would I take the league minimum w/the risk level of the NFL, that is an entirely different question. I have been away too long, I forgot how fun this is!!

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

The difference between the NFL and any analogies involving carpenters, corporations or any scenario where somebody is an employee of someone else is that here, the entire product IS the players.

I think a better comparison might be if every car at every Ford dealership suddenly came to life and asked for more compensation since they're the ones out there taking the wear and tear on the freeways, driving over the potholes and depreciating with every mile...

But, then Ford would claim that they're losing money on the cars already as it is. And the cars would be all like, "Oh? That's weird, you're like the biggest car company in the country. Wow. Okay, show some data to back that claim up and we'll figure something out." And then Ford would be all like, "No cars, just trust us." And then we'd end up in court.

 

[Cripster]

I think the NFL offer was decent. However, I think the players getting this at the zero hour after 2 years of nothing did not give them an incentive to cash in their biggest chip-decertification. I am probably on the owners side at the end of the day, but I think they (the owners) did not manage this well.

 

[beachbum]

go play Arena Football or in the UFL... just because you don't like your other choices doesn't mean you don't have choices

 

[J Andersson]

#### you Roger.

The CBA was renewed in 2006 and lasted through the 2012 season.

You should have worked towards a new one while that was still in place.

#### you NFLPA. You had a completely workable deal in hand and the latest concessions by the owners--huge concessions, things you were asking for--was a fantastic step in the right direction.At minimum, you had to extend talks. But, that's assuming you were willing to negotiate in good faith. You weren't. You wanted the opportunity to squeeze the owners and take them to court.

Good luck with that anti-trust suit. You potentially screwed all of us fans. But, the best part is...you likely just screwed yourselves. That's what happens when union lemmings follow blindly follow their leader.

Pretty much sums up my feelings as wellThe NFL even offered a third party (approved by both sides) to gain access to the books and report to the NFLPA what each respective teams financial status was. I might not like the way the owners have handled this but the NFLPA really screwed up towards the end of the negotiations.

I work as a negotiatior daily to solve CBA issues. I have never ever been in a negotiation where the employers have opened up their books. To expect them to do so is extremely naive, I'm sorry Drew Brees (a person I have tremendous respect for) and company but you have no firm grasp on reality here.

 

[J Andersson]

I think the NFL offer was decent. However, I think the players getting this at the zero hour after 2 years of nothing did not give them an incentive to cash in their biggest chip-decertification. I am probably on the owners side at the end of the day, but I think they (the owners) did not manage this well.

I would agree with this as well. It seems as a move made late to make the players have to think about the proposal and thus take away the option of decertification. I think it was being a bit too smart.However, I'm still very disappointed in the NFLPA's stance here.To decertify twice as a Union in modern history just tells me you're not a union that should be taken serious as an organization. If you sign a deal that opens up the possibility of an opt out on either party's side you'll have to live with it and try to negotiate a new deal without being unreasonable in demands. We've heard several stances (18 games is not in our interest - not a part of the proposal, we need more money allocated towards former and current players after their active - in the proposal etc.).

 

[Osaurus]

go play Arena Football or in the UFL... just because you don't like your other choices doesn't mean you don't have choices

UFL is almost bankrupt no?

 

[Spike]

Pretty apparent that the ONLY reason Goodell sent this (as directed to him to do by the owners) is to get public opinion against the players.

 

[djmich]

go play Arena Football or in the UFL... just because you don't like your other choices doesn't mean you don't have choices

 

[Football Critic]

Pretty apparent that the ONLY reason Goodell sent this (as directed to him to do by the owners) is to get public opinion against the players.

They both are at fault. Times like these really show how much the league and players care about the fan.

 

[T J]

#### you Roger.

The CBA was renewed in 2006 and lasted through the 2012 season.

You should have worked towards a new one while that was still in place.

#### you NFLPA. You had a completely workable deal in hand and the latest concessions by the owners--huge concessions, things you were asking for--was a fantastic step in the right direction.At minimum, you had to extend talks. But, that's assuming you were willing to negotiate in good faith. You weren't. You wanted the opportunity to squeeze the owners and take them to court.

Good luck with that anti-trust suit. You potentially screwed all of us fans. But, the best part is...you likely just screwed yourselves. That's what happens when union lemmings follow blindly follow their leader.

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

#### you Roger.

The CBA was renewed in 2006 and lasted through the 2012 season.

You should have worked towards a new one while that was still in place.

#### you NFLPA. You had a completely workable deal in hand and the latest concessions by the owners--huge concessions, things you were asking for--was a fantastic step in the right direction.At minimum, you had to extend talks. But, that's assuming you were willing to negotiate in good faith. You weren't. You wanted the opportunity to squeeze the owners and take them to court.

Good luck with that anti-trust suit. You potentially screwed all of us fans. But, the best part is...you likely just screwed yourselves. That's what happens when union lemmings follow blindly follow their leader.

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Agreed. I've been in the Owners corner from day one but this really makes it a slam dunk where I place blame for this nonsense continuing

 

[golfguy]

I really don't see how anyone can side with the owners here. I really don't. The Owners are the ones who opted out of the current collective bargaining agreement, not the players. Why did they? well because some of their other business ventures have suffered over the past 5 years. I don't feel bad for some billionaires, a lot of whom inherited their wealth. They want a billion dollars back from the players, well the players have every right to ask why? the NFL is making a ton of money, so why should the players give up something just to make the owners happy?

and let's be honest they are far more players that make the league minimums then 5 million a season. with the avg career at around 3 years, that's not a ton of money. say 900k before taxes are taken out, so that leaves them around probably 450k. it's a nice amount of money, don't get me wrong, but you are not retiring at 24 yrs old on 450k. not happening. not to mention the long term health effects these people have. I've met some of these guys, people who are in their early 40s and can hardly walk. (and they certainly didn't make even the kind of money I mentioned earlier).

I'm not even a union fan, but the owners in this situation want something back and aren't saying why. the reason is because they aren't suffering any losses from the NFL revenue. they want more money from the players to cover their losses from other business areas. too bad for the owners, I say.

 

[Clarence the barber]

I really don't see how anyone can side with the owners here. I really don't. The Owners are the ones who opted out of the current collective bargaining agreement, not the players. Why did they? well because some of their other business ventures have suffered over the past 5 years. I don't feel bad for some billionaires, a lot of whom inherited their wealth. They want a billion dollars back from the players, well the players have every right to ask why? the NFL is making a ton of money, so why should the players give up something just to make the owners happy?and let's be honest they are far more players that make the league minimums then 5 million a season. with the avg career at around 3 years, that's not a ton of money. say 900k before taxes are taken out, so that leaves them around probably 450k. it's a nice amount of money, don't get me wrong, but you are not retiring at 24 yrs old on 450k. not happening. not to mention the long term health effects these people have. I've met some of these guys, people who are in their early 40s and can hardly walk. (and they certainly didn't make even the kind of money I mentioned earlier). I'm not even a union fan, but the owners in this situation want something back and aren't saying why. the reason is because they aren't suffering any losses from the NFL revenue. they want more money from the players to cover their losses from other business areas. too bad for the owners, I say.

Well I am a union fan (and a former union member) and I say screw the players, along with the owners. Yeah, I identify with the players a bit more than the owners and hope things work out for them but those guys need to learn how to save money. Billionaires screwing you over? Welcome to the real world, buddy. How many NFL players would be upset if GM locked out their workers? Not enough to make a difference, all they want is their new Escalade. So good luck to the players, but whatever deal you can get you better take when football season rolls around. I want football, and #### rolls downhill.

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

Hey Golfguy, been a while.

When it's all said and done the Owners, OWN the league and are Bosses regardless of how things are worded or if the Players want to consider themselves partners. What other large Company in the world would have to turn over 10 yrs. worth of books not only to their employees but to their competition? I'm all for the players being better compensated for their health and retirement which was offered. The players are more concerned with a phat check for 4 years instead of more retirement fund. The owners mistake was giving the players too much in last agreement. I don't blame them one bit for wanting to re- allocate the funds. The owners need to ensure what's best for THEIR business for the next 20 years. The players are employees and if they don't want to sign a contract to be a temporary employee they should go and secure employment in the field they supposed to have a degree in.

 

[Osaurus]

Pretty apparent that the ONLY reason Goodell sent this (as directed to him to do by the owners) is to get public opinion against the players.

They both are at fault. Times like these really show how much the league and players care about the fan.

Totally agree.

 

[BusMan]

#### you Roger.

The CBA was renewed in 2006 and lasted through the 2012 season.

You should have worked towards a new one while that was still in place.

#### you NFLPA. You had a completely workable deal in hand and the latest concessions by the owners--huge concessions, things you were asking for--was a fantastic step in the right direction.At minimum, you had to extend talks. But, that's assuming you were willing to negotiate in good faith. You weren't. You wanted the opportunity to squeeze the owners and take them to court.

Good luck with that anti-trust suit. You potentially screwed all of us fans. But, the best part is...you likely just screwed yourselves. That's what happens when union lemmings follow blindly follow their leader.

Pretty much sums up my feelings as wellThe NFL even offered a third party (approved by both sides) to gain access to the books and report to the NFLPA what each respective teams financial status was. I might not like the way the owners have handled this but the NFLPA really screwed up towards the end of the negotiations.

I work as a negotiatior daily to solve CBA issues. I have never ever been in a negotiation where the employers have opened up their books. To expect them to do so is extremely naive, I'm sorry Drew Brees (a person I have tremendous respect for) and company but you have no firm grasp on reality here.

Have you ever been in a negotiation involving a monopoly?

 

[BusMan]

Hey Golfguy, been a while. When it's all said and done the Owners, OWN the league and are Bosses regardless of how things are worded or if the Players want to consider themselves partners. What other large Company in the world would have to turn over 10 yrs. worth of books not only to their employees but to their competition? I'm all for the players being better compensated for their health and retirement which was offered. The players are more concerned with a phat check for 4 years instead of more retirement fund. The owners mistake was giving the players too much in last agreement. I don't blame them one bit for wanting to re- allocate the funds. The owners need to ensure what's best for THEIR business for the next 20 years. The players are employees and if they don't want to sign a contract to be a temporary employee they should go and secure employment in the field they supposed to have a degree in.

Again (and I repeat this because so many are unable to grasp it), the NFL is not like any other large company in the world.

 

[BusMan]

I really don't see how anyone can side with the owners here. I really don't. The Owners are the ones who opted out of the current collective bargaining agreement, not the players. Why did they? well because some of their other business ventures have suffered over the past 5 years. I don't feel bad for some billionaires, a lot of whom inherited their wealth. They want a billion dollars back from the players, well the players have every right to ask why? the NFL is making a ton of money, so why should the players give up something just to make the owners happy?and let's be honest they are far more players that make the league minimums then 5 million a season. with the avg career at around 3 years, that's not a ton of money. say 900k before taxes are taken out, so that leaves them around probably 450k. it's a nice amount of money, don't get me wrong, but you are not retiring at 24 yrs old on 450k. not happening. not to mention the long term health effects these people have. I've met some of these guys, people who are in their early 40s and can hardly walk. (and they certainly didn't make even the kind of money I mentioned earlier). I'm not even a union fan, but the owners in this situation want something back and aren't saying why. the reason is because they aren't suffering any losses from the NFL revenue. they want more money from the players to cover their losses from other business areas. too bad for the owners, I say.

The owners should've never agreed to the 2006 CBA. They painted themselves into this corner.

 

[Brewzers]

I really don't see how anyone can side with the owners here. I really don't. The Owners are the ones who opted out of the current collective bargaining agreement, not the players. Why did they? well because some of their other business ventures have suffered over the past 5 years. I don't feel bad for some billionaires, a lot of whom inherited their wealth. They want a billion dollars back from the players, well the players have every right to ask why? the NFL is making a ton of money, so why should the players give up something just to make the owners happy?and let's be honest they are far more players that make the league minimums then 5 million a season. with the avg career at around 3 years, that's not a ton of money. say 900k before taxes are taken out, so that leaves them around probably 450k. it's a nice amount of money, don't get me wrong, but you are not retiring at 24 yrs old on 450k. not happening. not to mention the long term health effects these people have. I've met some of these guys, people who are in their early 40s and can hardly walk. (and they certainly didn't make even the kind of money I mentioned earlier). I'm not even a union fan, but the owners in this situation want something back and aren't saying why. the reason is because they aren't suffering any losses from the NFL revenue. they want more money from the players to cover their losses from other business areas. too bad for the owners, I say.

The owners should've never agreed to the 2006 CBA. They painted themselves into this corner.

True, but I don't think anyone could foresee the extent of this recession in 2006. You only have to look at the GreenBay Packer's financials to get an idea of what the owners are facing. Player costs are increasing at an 11.8% clip over the past 4 years, while revenues are growing only 5.5%. GreenBay's player costs increased from $139M in 2008 to $161M in 2009 while operating income decline from $20M to $10M in the same (Revenue increase $10M in that same period). Its appears to be an unsustainable model, so I don't blame the owners for opting out of the CBA....given the recession it was a bad deal for them.. I think every NFL team should be forced to open up their financials publicly, so meaningful negotiations and agreements can happen.

 

[golfguy]

Hey Golfguy, been a while. When it's all said and done the Owners, OWN the league and are Bosses regardless of how things are worded or if the Players want to consider themselves partners. What other large Company in the world would have to turn over 10 yrs. worth of books not only to their employees but to their competition? I'm all for the players being better compensated for their health and retirement which was offered. The players are more concerned with a phat check for 4 years instead of more retirement fund. The owners mistake was giving the players too much in last agreement. I don't blame them one bit for wanting to re- allocate the funds. The owners need to ensure what's best for THEIR business for the next 20 years. The players are employees and if they don't want to sign a contract to be a temporary employee they should go and secure employment in the field they supposed to have a degree in.

IB, yep, it's been awhile. dynasty ranking talks will be heating up soon though. I do agree with some of your sentiment, but let's be honest. the NFL wouldn't be what is without the players. the players have had as much to do with the NFL taking off in the last 20 yrs as anything ownership has done. I really think we as fantasy football fans/participants should get some compensation from the league, lol. I really think the growth of fantasy football is one of, if not the #1 reason for the popularity growth of the sport. i actually kind of hope their is a stoppage and the players and owners take some hits. They both need to be knocked down a peg or two. they both are killing the golden goose.

 

[treat88]

I understand where both sides are coming from and just want the system's put in place that are best for the game at the end of the day.

If nothing else comes from this whole mess, I do hope Roger Goodell is no longer in the picture. He is a complete stooge and worst commish in the history of sports. Bar none.

 

[DexterDew]

i think the Owners are scared sh*tless to open their books in light of the McCourt divorce exposing the behind the scenes (and under the table) dealings of a pro sports franchise. Very difficult to claim they need a bigger slice of the pie because they have family members sucking on the teat of the team.

i agree it is the owners "fault" for agreeing to the 2006 CBA, and they decided to lock the players out before the contract expires... so we can agree who is the Prime Mover in this?

Now it is up to the egos, attorneys and court system.

 

[Christo]

go play Arena Football or in the UFL... just because you don't like your other choices doesn't mean you don't have choices

UFL is almost bankrupt no?

Maybe that would change with an infusion of talent.

 

[Christo]

Pretty apparent that the ONLY reason Goodell sent this (as directed to him to do by the owners) is to get public opinion against the players.

That's why they call it public relations.

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

Hey Golfguy, been a while. When it's all said and done the Owners, OWN the league and are Bosses regardless of how things are worded or if the Players want to consider themselves partners. What other large Company in the world would have to turn over 10 yrs. worth of books not only to their employees but to their competition? I'm all for the players being better compensated for their health and retirement which was offered. The players are more concerned with a phat check for 4 years instead of more retirement fund. The owners mistake was giving the players too much in last agreement. I don't blame them one bit for wanting to re- allocate the funds. The owners need to ensure what's best for THEIR business for the next 20 years. The players are employees and if they don't want to sign a contract to be a temporary employee they should go and secure employment in the field they supposed to have a degree in.

IB, yep, it's been awhile. dynasty ranking talks will be heating up soon though. I do agree with some of your sentiment, but let's be honest. the NFL wouldn't be what is without the players. the players have had as much to do with the NFL taking off in the last 20 yrs as anything ownership has done. I really think we as fantasy football fans/participants should get some compensation from the league, lol. I really think the growth of fantasy football is one of, if not the #1 reason for the popularity growth of the sport. i actually kind of hope their is a stoppage and the players and owners take some hits. They both need to be knocked down a peg or two. they both are killing the golden goose.

I absolutely agree that Fantasy has been the biggest boon for the NFL since they merged leagues. We have raised viewership, revenue etc more then any other source and both sides have greatly benefitted. The players are the reason why we love this, but unfortunately they come and go and the league will remain. The fear is that they will screw up what has become the Golden age ( or goose ) of the NFL. From what I understand a huge part of why the owners opted out is the Albert Haynesworth fiasco and the Mike Vick ruling that he was allowed to retain his signing bonus from the Falcons. And I don't blame them collectively for being pissed. But individually I blame the Skins and Snyder just for example. We all knew what Haynesworth was about, how did they not? Catch ya soon, look forward to finding your rankings complete opposite of mine..

 

[efactor]

and let's be honest they are far more players that make the league minimums then 5 million a season. with the avg career at around 3 years, that's not a ton of money. say 900k before taxes are taken out, so that leaves them around probably 450k. it's a nice amount of money, don't get me wrong, but you are not retiring at 24 yrs old on 450k. not happening. not to mention the long term health effects these people have. I've met some of these guys, people who are in their early 40s and can hardly walk. (and they certainly didn't make even the kind of money I mentioned earlier).

The average career isn't due strictly to injury. The average career is due to better players coming into the league and taking the roster spots of the less talented. Why should a 24 year old be entitled to retire at the end of this 3 year "career"? That's a sticking item with me. This sense of entitlement by the players that they shouldn't have to work after football.Try living within your means on the 450K net (which is very conservative for the NFL) and if your "career" only lasts three years, then educate yourself for a career after football. Oh wait, didn't these players have an opportunity for a college education as well, so if they have to reeducate themselves, they should be well on their way?Football is a dangerous sport, and I have never complained about any player being "overpaid", but tired of the I should be taken care of for the rest of my life attitude. DeMaurice Smith is a train wreck who is in way over his head. The NFLPA is in trouble with this guy leading the way.........