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Lewis: Rudi could earn RB job back from Perry ! (1 Viewer)

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Lewis: Rudi could earn RB job back from Perry

Coach Marvin Lewis says Rudi Johnson could earn the Bengals' starting tailback job back from Chris Perry by showing "he's a better ballplayer" in the team's preseason finale.

It will be Johnson's first preseason action and he barely practiced in camp, so he will be rusty and the odds are against him. If Rudi doesn't come up big, he could be part of Saturday's final cuts. "I haven't seen (him), so that's the big thing," Lewis said. If your fantasy draft if this weekend or next week, it'd be smart to watch Cincinnati play Indianapolis on Thursday night. Aug. 26 - 10:43 pm et

Source: bengals.com

 
Run this through the Coach speak translator and it comes out...

"The teams we contacted as potential trade partners requested we include a legitimate RB. Thus I am forced to play this charade meant only to somehow boost Rudi's perceived value to that moron in Detroit."

 
crnerblitz said:
Run this through the Coach speak translator and it comes out..."The teams we contacted as potential trade partners requested we include a legitimate RB. Thus I am forced to play this charade meant only to somehow boost Rudi's perceived value to that moron in Detroit."
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personally i hope your right...and if (big if) he looks halfway decent and lands in , say , houston he will have some value( i drafted both rudi and perry so i can hope he gets traded)
 
how often do trades get done the week before the season?

i have a hard time believing he'll be cut or traded.

 
If Rudi's to have any value in the eyes of other teams, he has to be seen to have value to his current team. To do that, at the very least he has to play well when given an opportunity.

 
Anyone have Rudi's contract numbers?

I am a beleiver in Chris Perry as a sleeper, still don't think he's worth drafting in the top 36. But this comment doesn't change my take on this story. I think the Bengals are going to give Perry the ball.

 
I have to admit that my first thought when I saw this title was "Marvin's really hoping to get some trade value for Rudi. Somebody should tell him it's not going to happen". I'm definitely in the 'Rudi is done' camp. Still, Rudi's only 28 years old, so it's not inconceivable that he enjoys a resurgence with another club if the Bengals cut him or dump him for a 6th round pick. Sometimes a few years of chronic injuries is just that, and health can be regained. I even heard that Chris Perry might be attempting a comeback.

 
millertyme1 said:
LOL @ Rudi earning the job dominating future garbage men.

Rudi is done as an NFL starting RB.
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I'm still confused how Rudi can have a hammy problem last year that causes him to underperform compared to his 3-year tenure as a consistent top RB and this alone makes for quick judgement that his career is over. Sure the injury apparently is taking longer to heal but you don't throw a guy to the curb for an injury taking longer to heal. This comparison obviously goes to the extreme but it proves the point, I think. If Peyton's recovery from his surgery on the bursa sac becomes lengthened (correct me if I'm wrong, but he MAY miss week 1 to be on the safe side unless things change before then???) then is that any reason to throw him to the curb?Rudi is aging but he isn't 30 yet. Edge is 30 and the season hasn't even begun. I don't know...maybe I have blind confidence in Rudy returning to comparable form he's known for. Both Cincy backups haven't done anything to earn the spot while Rudi was there...what makes them so special now? I still have tactics of motivation behind all of this by Marvin.

 
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I think when all is said and done Watson will be the guy to own.

With his price tag so low right now, why not?

Pair him with Perry or Rudi and you could be set. :confused:

 
Sometimes a few years of chronic injuries is just that, and health can be regained. I even heard that Chris Perry might be attempting a comeback.
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:confused: :football: :football:honestly, the funniest thing i've read on these forums given the contextp.s., hope you don't mind that that has to go in my sig :football:
 
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Rudi sounds confused. Boy it sure looks like a trainwreck waiting to happen in Cincy this year.

What Rudi said

Posted by MarkCurnutte at 8/26/2008 6:16 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Rudi Johnson, the subject of trade rumors, spoke with reporters at his locker today after practice.

Question: How do you feel after two days of practice?

Johnson: "It's good."

Q: Can you play Thursday?

Johnson: "If that's the case, yeah. I could be gone any minute now, I'm just waiting on the call, looking at the clock. That's all. So you know, it is what it is. Nothing's surprising, though. Keep it moving."

Q: Are you confident it's true?

Johnson: "It's out there, so evidently it's true. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. I'm still going to do the same thing. It's part of the business, so I'll let it be."

Q: Is it surprising?

Johnson: "No. Not at all. It's always something every year. They've been trying to get me out of here for a long time now. So, it's not surprising at all, it doesn't surprise me one bit."

Q: Is it disappointing?

Johnson: "I''m not disappointed, I'm not bothered, I'm not worried. Just move on. No big deal. That's all there is to it. That's part of the game, part of the business. That's all to it. Whatever happens is whatever happens. I'll be fine."

Q: Are you expecting it?

Johnson: "Yeah, I'm expecting anything. Whatever happens is whatever happens. Any given moment, anything can happen. I'm prepared, I'm ready. So it's no big deal."

Q: Have you talked to anyone in the organization about this or just going on what you're hearing in the media?

Johnson: "There's no need for me to. It's already been put out there. That's what it is. I'm fine that, it's no big deal to me."

Q: What do you want to show in the preseason game Thursday night?

Johnson: "It's already been decided; the game is irrelevant. The situation has already been presented. The game doesn't really matter."

Q: What are you hearing?

Johnson: "Just stay tuned and see what happens. Don't be surprised by anything. That's my approach. I'm not worried by anything, I'm not surprised by anything. It's no big deal to me."

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/s....cincinnati.com
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This is a mess. Let's break down the situation:

1. Kenny Watson is not a feature RB. He's good, can catch the ball, but he's NOT a 300 carry RB.

2. Chris Perry has been hurt since day 1. He's shown nothing. Nothing. How anyone can count on him as a feature RB is beyond me.

3. Rudi. He's been the feature RB; done a good job, but was hurt last year. Now, he's worthless. In the NFL, I'm not surprised as feature RBs last only a couple of years on average. Emmitt and LT are the exceptions.

What to expect? No idea. After typing that, I will now avoid all Cinci RBs. There is no value in any of them. If you're starting one of them, you're not winning your league.

 
massraider said:
Anyone have Rudi's contract numbers?I am a beleiver in Chris Perry as a sleeper, still don't think he's worth drafting in the top 36. But this comment doesn't change my take on this story. I think the Bengals are going to give Perry the ball.
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I read yesterday that Rudi makes $3.2 million this year.
 
Frenchy Fuqua said:
Rudi sounds confused. Boy it sure looks like a trainwreck waiting to happen in Cincy this year.

What Rudi said

Posted by MarkCurnutte at 8/26/2008 6:16 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Rudi Johnson, the subject of trade rumors, spoke with reporters at his locker today after practice.

Question: How do you feel after two days of practice?

Johnson: "It's good."

Q: Can you play Thursday?

Johnson: "If that's the case, yeah. I could be gone any minute now, I'm just waiting on the call, looking at the clock. That's all. So you know, it is what it is. Nothing's surprising, though. Keep it moving."

Q: Are you confident it's true?

Johnson: "It's out there, so evidently it's true. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. I'm still going to do the same thing. It's part of the business, so I'll let it be."

Q: Is it surprising?

Johnson: "No. Not at all. It's always something every year. They've been trying to get me out of here for a long time now. So, it's not surprising at all, it doesn't surprise me one bit."

Q: Is it disappointing?

Johnson: "I''m not disappointed, I'm not bothered, I'm not worried. Just move on. No big deal. That's all there is to it. That's part of the game, part of the business. That's all to it. Whatever happens is whatever happens. I'll be fine."

Q: Are you expecting it?

Johnson: "Yeah, I'm expecting anything. Whatever happens is whatever happens. Any given moment, anything can happen. I'm prepared, I'm ready. So it's no big deal."

Q: Have you talked to anyone in the organization about this or just going on what you're hearing in the media?

Johnson: "There's no need for me to. It's already been put out there. That's what it is. I'm fine that, it's no big deal to me."

Q: What do you want to show in the preseason game Thursday night?

Johnson: "It's already been decided; the game is irrelevant. The situation has already been presented. The game doesn't really matter."

Q: What are you hearing?

Johnson: "Just stay tuned and see what happens. Don't be surprised by anything. That's my approach. I'm not worried by anything, I'm not surprised by anything. It's no big deal to me."

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/s....cincinnati.com
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He sounds more like a guy who's resigned to his fate.
 
If this is true, then Marvin Lewis is as bad as I thought.

How can a player in one preseason game either be the starter for the entire team if he plays well, or if he doesn't play well, not make the cut? LOL, that doesn't even make sense, there's plenty of wiggle room between starting and not making the team.

Fix your defense Lewis, that's what you should be doing. You were hired as a defensive guru, you got lucky with some quality offensive players and it's being screwed up in front of our eyes and the defense has never been good since he's been there.

For me, he's the No. 1 guy as coach who should be fired in the league. What's ironic is Coach B. Billick is out of a job, the SB winning coach for the Ravens while Marvin Lewis has a job (for now).

I expect in the next couple years, that this will correct itself.

 
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Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
If this is true, then Marvin Lewis is as bad as I thought.How can a player in one preseason game either be the starter for the entire team if he plays well, or if he doesn't play well, not make the cut? LOL, that doesn't even make sense, there's plenty of wiggle room between starting and not making the team.Fix your defense Lewis, that's what you should be doing. You were hired as a defensive guru, you got lucky with some quality offensive players and it's being screwed up in front of our eyes and the defense has never been good since he's been there.For me, he's the No. 1 guy as coach who should be fired in the league. What's ironic is Coach B. Billick is out of a job, the SB winning coach for the Ravens while Marvin Lewis has a job (for now).I expect in the next couple years, that this will correct itself.
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He's saying what Whiz is sayng in Arizona, nothing's decided yet.
 
bcr8f said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
If this is true, then Marvin Lewis is as bad as I thought.How can a player in one preseason game either be the starter for the entire team if he plays well, or if he doesn't play well, not make the cut? LOL, that doesn't even make sense, there's plenty of wiggle room between starting and not making the team.Fix your defense Lewis, that's what you should be doing. You were hired as a defensive guru, you got lucky with some quality offensive players and it's being screwed up in front of our eyes and the defense has never been good since he's been there.For me, he's the No. 1 guy as coach who should be fired in the league. What's ironic is Coach B. Billick is out of a job, the SB winning coach for the Ravens while Marvin Lewis has a job (for now).I expect in the next couple years, that this will correct itself.
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He's saying what Whiz is sayng in Arizona, nothing's decided yet.
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Not exactly.......this particular report about Johnson states he could be the starter or he could be cut from the team. Leinart may possiblily not be the starter, but he's definately going to make the team. That is a big difference.
 
Unlucky said:
2. Chris Perry has been hurt since day 1. He's shown nothing. Nothing. How anyone can count on him as a feature RB is beyond me.
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That's incorrect. Remember that 1 year the Bengals were good... that was Perry making them that good.
 
Unlucky said:
This is a mess. Let's break down the situation:1. Kenny Watson is not a feature RB. He's good, can catch the ball, but he's NOT a 300 carry RB. 2. Chris Perry has been hurt since day 1. He's shown nothing. Nothing. How anyone can count on him as a feature RB is beyond me. 3. Rudi. He's been the feature RB; done a good job, but was hurt last year. Now, he's worthless. In the NFL, I'm not surprised as feature RBs last only a couple of years on average. Emmitt and LT are the exceptions. What to expect? No idea. After typing that, I will now avoid all Cinci RBs. There is no value in any of them. If you're starting one of them, you're not winning your league.
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That is all true, up to a point. But in the games Watson started he was really productive and the offense as a whole has the potential to be really explosive, so I wouldn't go as far as to say they are all worthless.
 
crnerblitz said:
Run this through the Coach speak translator and it comes out..."The teams we contacted as potential trade partners requested we include a legitimate RB. Thus I am forced to play this charade meant only to somehow boost Rudi's perceived value to that moron in Detroit."
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Detroit needs Rudi like a pin in the eye , Rudi wont go to Detroit unless as a back up .
 
Unlucky said:
This is a mess. Let's break down the situation:

1. Kenny Watson is not a feature RB. He's good, can catch the ball, but he's NOT a 300 carry RB.

2. Chris Perry has been hurt since day 1. He's shown nothing. Nothing. How anyone can count on him as a feature RB is beyond me.

3. Rudi. He's been the feature RB; done a good job, but was hurt last year. Now, he's worthless. In the NFL, I'm not surprised as feature RBs last only a couple of years on average. Emmitt and LT are the exceptions.

What to expect? No idea. After typing that, I will now avoid all Cinci RBs. There is no value in any of them. If you're starting one of them, you're not winning your league.
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:thumbup:
 
Godsbrother said:
Kirby said:
Unlucky said:
2. Chris Perry has been hurt since day 1. He's shown nothing. Nothing. How anyone can count on him as a feature RB is beyond me.
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That's incorrect. Remember that 1 year the Bengals were good... that was Perry making them that good.
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Yep. Perry ran for almost 300 yards that season.
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He also caught 51 balls that season. You may not have been watching, but he looked very, very good.
 
gman8343 said:
Godsbrother said:
Kirby said:
Unlucky said:
2. Chris Perry has been hurt since day 1. He's shown nothing. Nothing. How anyone can count on him as a feature RB is beyond me.
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That's incorrect. Remember that 1 year the Bengals were good... that was Perry making them that good.
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Yep. Perry ran for almost 300 yards that season.
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He also caught 51 balls that season. You may not have been watching, but he looked very, very good.
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I was making a little joke but my point was that he was a small part of what made the Bengals good that season.
 
Godsbrother said:
gman8343 said:
Godsbrother said:
Kirby said:
Unlucky said:
2. Chris Perry has been hurt since day 1. He's shown nothing. Nothing. How anyone can count on him as a feature RB is beyond me.
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That's incorrect. Remember that 1 year the Bengals were good... that was Perry making them that good.
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Yep. Perry ran for almost 300 yards that season.
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He also caught 51 balls that season. You may not have been watching, but he looked very, very good.
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I was making a little joke but my point was that he was a small part of what made the Bengals good that season.
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Very untrue. If you watched the games, you would understand what he is talking about. Perry was a huge part of that offense, keeping drives alive, catching passes and keeping defenses spread out and honest. It wasn't just what he did statistically. He helped the offense as a whole - even Rudi.
 
Rushmore said:
Godsbrother said:
gman8343 said:
Godsbrother said:
Kirby said:
Unlucky said:
2. Chris Perry has been hurt since day 1. He's shown nothing. Nothing. How anyone can count on him as a feature RB is beyond me.
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That's incorrect. Remember that 1 year the Bengals were good... that was Perry making them that good.
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Yep. Perry ran for almost 300 yards that season.
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He also caught 51 balls that season. You may not have been watching, but he looked very, very good.
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I was making a little joke but my point was that he was a small part of what made the Bengals good that season.
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Very untrue. If you watched the games, you would understand what he is talking about. Perry was a huge part of that offense, keeping drives alive, catching passes and keeping defenses spread out and honest. It wasn't just what he did statistically. He helped the offense as a whole - even Rudi.
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I understand he helped the offense by getting some key 1st downs but to say it was Perry making the Bengals look good that season is doing a disservice to Palmer, Rudi, CJ, TJ and even Chris Henry.My problem with Perry is that he has had problems staying healthy and that he's never carried the load for a game, let alone a season. He may turn out to be a monster but he's never had more than 8 carries in a game.

I think the Bengals are nuts for cutting Rudi loose unless they feel he is done.

 
If I were Lewis, I would keep all three, go RBBC, and give to the hot hand on any given Sunday.

I think they are panicked about WR injuries and letting it drive their thinking.

Can one count on Perry to be healthy? Not really.

Can one be sure Watson is a feature back? No.

Has Rudi last a step? Yes.

Keep them all and worry less about who is out there on the first play of the game. Keep them hungry.

 
The Bengals are really giving the Lions a run for worst run team in football.

Chris Perry: This is a guy who is the very definition of injury prone. In 4 seasons, he's played in 22 games. He's scored 2 TD's, fumbled 4 times, and amassed a total of 740 yards from scrimmage - almost all in his magnificient 2005 seson, where he was legitimately the 5th or 6th most important player on the offense -behind Palmer, Housh, and both Johnsons, and Chris Henry is debatable. Career high in touches is 13 on 9/18/2005. This guy is so likely to break down again it's not funny. Youd' think you;d want a guy who's aleast shown he can handle the grind as a backup, but they need another receiver, since they failed to address the #3 spot in the offseason, preferring to wait to take back the perennial suspension risk they said they didn't want anymore, and their #1 receiver is hurt.

Now that Perry is healthy for the first time in years, he's the starter due to Rudi Johnson having:

1. A very subpar season for him last year: only getting 4 TD's and 607 yards from scrimmage.

2. A lingering hammy injury.

3. A large contract.

I think Rudi will be gone so the Bengals can either reach an injury settlement, collect on insurance, or not have to pay him as much in some way. I don't know any details about the situation, but the Bengals are cheap & stupid, so this fits their MO.

 
The price shark owners were able to get Perry this off-season (throw in on trades, free agent drafts) and the price you were probably able to land him in drafts up until say a few days ago makes him well worth the risk.

Perry will be battling with Ricky Williams as comeback players of the year.

Mark it.

 
Man this make me glad I passed on Palmer last night. This team looks like an absolute :trainwreck:

Q: What do you want to show in the preseason game Thursday night?

Johnson: "It's already been decided; the game is irrelevant. The situation has already been presented. The game doesn't really matter."

This is the most significant passage of the interview. I would bet that Rudi has a very good handle on what's going on and I am much more inclined to beleive this rather than what Lewis said, which doesn't make any sense.

Personally, I couldn't imagine anything more stupid than them cutting Rudi. Really, it's suicide, unless they are a lot higher on Watson than any of us know. I've never seen a situation where an actual NFL team is more comfortable relying on a player than most of his fantasy owners.

 
Unlucky said:
This is a mess. Let's break down the situation:1. Kenny Watson is not a feature RB. He's good, can catch the ball, but he's NOT a 300 carry RB. 2. Chris Perry has been hurt since day 1. He's shown nothing. Nothing. How anyone can count on him as a feature RB is beyond me. 3. Rudi. He's been the feature RB; done a good job, but was hurt last year. Now, he's worthless. In the NFL, I'm not surprised as feature RBs last only a couple of years on average. Emmitt and LT are the exceptions. What to expect? No idea. After typing that, I will now avoid all Cinci RBs. There is no value in any of them. If you're starting one of them, you're not winning your league.
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Great post. I too have been shuked by all the Perry love. People have been in love with him for years.This does look like a trainwreck and one to avoid, but won't one guy be at least a serviceable FF RB? Who would've thought Graham would do what he did when Caddy went down last year in TB?
 
Why would you avoid this if you could get perry in the later rounds? I am talking 8th on. You have a potential starter who was drafted in the first round on a offense that has been known to be pretty good. I think the risk/reward for Perry is off the charts assuming you get him really late.

....drafted Perry in the 9th :thumbup:

 
ookook said:
If I were Lewis, I would keep all three, go RBBC, and give to the hot hand on any given Sunday.Keep them all and worry less about who is out there on the first play of the game. Keep them hungry.
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Did you just take a class on cliche usage?? Jimminy Christmas.
 
Even if Rudi had something left (I really don't think he does) at this point he doesn't offer the Bengals anything they don't already have in Perry or Watson. This team isn't going anywhere this year, they could even be heading into rebuild mode. In this situation Rudi is useless to them. $3.2 million isn't a huge amount in today's NFL but it's not chump change either. They could better use that scratch someplace else (like defense or a contract extension for someone) this year or next. Meanwhile they can use the time to see what they've got in Perry and Watson and determine if they'll be part of the long term plans.

If Rudi isn't traded (I doubt they'll find any takers as they know what comes next) he'll be cut. It makes sense.

 
Gr00vus said:
Even if Rudi had something left (I really don't think he does) at this point he doesn't offer the Bengals anything they don't already have in Perry or Watson. This team isn't going anywhere this year, they could even be heading into rebuild mode. In this situation Rudi is useless to them. $3.2 million isn't a huge amount in today's NFL but it's not chump change either. They could better use that scratch someplace else (like defense or a contract extension for someone) this year or next. Meanwhile they can use the time to see what they've got in Perry and Watson and determine if they'll be part of the long term plans.If Rudi isn't traded (I doubt they'll find any takers as they know what comes next) he'll be cut. It makes sense.
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:shrug:
 
crnerblitz said:
Run this through the Coach speak translator and it comes out..."The teams we contacted as potential trade partners requested we include a legitimate RB. Thus I am forced to play this charade meant only to somehow boost Rudi's perceived value to that moron in Detroit."
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:wall:
 
Frenchy Fuqua said:
Rudi sounds confused. Boy it sure looks like a trainwreck waiting to happen in Cincy this year.

What Rudi said

Posted by MarkCurnutte at 8/26/2008 6:16 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Rudi Johnson, the subject of trade rumors, spoke with reporters at his locker today after practice.

Question: How do you feel after two days of practice?

Johnson: "It's good."

Q: Can you play Thursday?

Johnson: "If that's the case, yeah. I could be gone any minute now, I'm just waiting on the call, looking at the clock. That's all. So you know, it is what it is. Nothing's surprising, though. Keep it moving."

Q: Are you confident it's true?

Johnson: "It's out there, so evidently it's true. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. I'm still going to do the same thing. It's part of the business, so I'll let it be."

Q: Is it surprising?

Johnson: "No. Not at all. It's always something every year. They've been trying to get me out of here for a long time now. So, it's not surprising at all, it doesn't surprise me one bit."

Q: Is it disappointing?

Johnson: "I''m not disappointed, I'm not bothered, I'm not worried. Just move on. No big deal. That's all there is to it. That's part of the game, part of the business. That's all to it. Whatever happens is whatever happens. I'll be fine."

Q: Are you expecting it?

Johnson: "Yeah, I'm expecting anything. Whatever happens is whatever happens. Any given moment, anything can happen. I'm prepared, I'm ready. So it's no big deal."

Q: Have you talked to anyone in the organization about this or just going on what you're hearing in the media?

Johnson: "There's no need for me to. It's already been put out there. That's what it is. I'm fine that, it's no big deal to me."

Q: What do you want to show in the preseason game Thursday night?

Johnson: "It's already been decided; the game is irrelevant. The situation has already been presented. The game doesn't really matter."

Q: What are you hearing?

Johnson: "Just stay tuned and see what happens. Don't be surprised by anything. That's my approach. I'm not worried by anything, I'm not surprised by anything. It's no big deal to me."

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/s....cincinnati.com
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Interesting. Do a CTRL+H and find "Rudi Johnson" and replace with "Corey Dillon" and it's 2003 all over again ...
 
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