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[grind]

If there was ever a year where the #2 pick holds some legit trade value, I think this is the year. If the Raiders take Russell, many teams will be after CJ before the Bucs get on the clock. If the Raiders take CJ, any team needing a QB will have to try to get to #2 before the Browns are on the clock. Arizona will be looking for J. Thomas before the Bucs or Cleveland are on the clock. Not to mention anyone wanting AP before the Browns are on the clock. That said, I still get a feeling the the Millen will blow it by taking either a) Brady Quinn (the closest thing to Joey Harrington there is) or b) Gaines Adams (not bashing his talent, just think you can move down a few picks and get him).

My perfect outcome for the Lions would be the Raiders taking Russell. The Lions trade down to #4 so the Bucs can take CJ. The Browns then take J. Thomas. Then the Lions trade back to #12 (Bills move up to take AP). At #12 they take P. Willis. This scenario could happen although things would have to go perfect regarding the Raiders and Browns picks. Of course, Millen is in charge and will blow everything even if all other things did work perfectly.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

not a lions fan, but man they blew it by beat Dallas the last game of the season. Lose that one any your sitting at #1.

And Millen will totally blow the pick no matter what, even if they trade down and get good value, who's to say he'll make the right picks then?

 

[grind]

not a lions fan, but man they blew it by beat Dallas the last game of the season. Lose that one any your sitting at #1. And Millen will totally blow the pick no matter what, even if they trade down and get good value, who's to say he'll make the right picks then?

They did the same thing the year before on Christmas Eve when they beat the Aints on a last second FG. If they blow that game like they typically blow games, they would have had the #2 overall pick last year. Oh...Reggie Bush went #2 overall last year. Now think about him in Martz's offense.

 

[Chadstroma]

Yes.

 

[Da Guru]

I would be totally shocked if Millen makes a good move.

Screw it..draft CJ!

 

[Synthesizer]

Prediction: Even if this perfect scenario occurs and Millen makes the right moves, the players involved will all end up sucking and/or injury-prone. This is just as much a Lions organization problem as it is a Millen problem.

 

[hutchins929]

It doesn't matter what he does... Their will be people saying he screwed up.

if he stayes with the 2nd pick - people will be saying he should have moved the pick

if he moves down - people will be saying that he should have stayed and got the best player available (CJ)

if he scratches his nuts people will say that he was just testing Roger Goodell to see if he will get suspended

if he doesn't scratch his nuts people will say that he isn't a man

As long as he can get some impact players at positions where the Lions are lacking (Secondary, Linebacker, Offensive Line, Defensive End) then he wont have a bad draft.

 

[LionsFan78]

not a lions fan, but man they blew it by beat Dallas the last game of the season. Lose that one any your sitting at #1.

I don't believe anyone should EVER tank a game on purpose. I don't care what's at stake. As a true fan, it would've hurt 10x worse than finishing 0-16. That's just me, to each his own. Reading between the lines, I've seen a hell of a lot of acquisitions made by the organization in the past year that has Marinelli's influence written all over it (drafting Sims, hiring DC Joe Barry, numerous FA signings). I would'nt be surprised at all to see them once again focus on the line, whether defense or offense. I'd personally love to see them trade down (poss with Atlanta??). There is just too much to be gained by trading. I have no problem with Thomas. No problem with CJ. I'd rather not see them take Quinn, but I'll live if they do. I just don't want to see them draft Gaines Adams at #2 overall. He is not a #2 pick. But I'd definitely take him if they draft down and get some legit picks for that #2 spot.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Play it safe and Take Quinn @ 2

 

[Kleck.]

Play it safe and Take Quinn @ 2

Joe T would be safer.

 

[LionsFan78]

Play it safe and Take Quinn @ 2

Joe T would be safer.

Some might actually argue CJ as the safest, can't miss prospect. Unfortunately for the Lions, there's so many more positions that need to be addressed.

 

[texasbirdfan]

not a lions fan, but man they blew it by beat Dallas the last game of the season. Lose that one any your sitting at #1.

I don't believe anyone should EVER tank a game on purpose. I don't care what's at stake. As a true fan, it would've hurt 10x worse than finishing 0-16. That's just me, to each his own. Reading between the lines, I've seen a hell of a lot of acquisitions made by the organization in the past year that has Marinelli's influence written all over it (drafting Sims, hiring DC Joe Barry, numerous FA signings). I would'nt be surprised at all to see them once again focus on the line, whether defense or offense. I'd personally love to see them trade down (poss with Atlanta??). There is just too much to be gained by trading. I have no problem with Thomas. No problem with CJ. I'd rather not see them take Quinn, but I'll live if they do. I just don't want to see them draft Gaines Adams at #2 overall. He is not a #2 pick. But I'd definitely take him if they draft down and get some legit picks for that #2 spot.

Why is it when everyone thinks of blowing a 1st round pick on a WR they think of the Lions or Falcons? Well we all actually know why. Which is the reason Atlanta or Detroit will pass on CJ. The Falcons have other needs than to trade up and give away picks and cap money.

 

[grind]

As much as want them to trade back in the draft and acquire a ton of picks in doing so, I remember that Millen is awful at drafting. As bad as his first round picks have been (Harrington, Rogers, Fat ####), his mid and late round picks have even been worse. They get absolutely no contributions from any picks in round 2 through 7. Not even sure they contribute to special teams play. This in itself is why the Lions are so bad. Most teams get players in these middle rounds and even some in the late rounds. The Lions continue to get nothing out of these rounds. That said, even if Millen does trade down, not sure it will help. I guess if he just sticks with the second overall pick, he'll only mess up one pick instead of trading down and then messing up multiple picks in multiple rounds. I suppose f***ing up one pick is less depressing for us fans then f***ing up say six, seven picks in the first three to four rounds.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

If there was ever a year where the #2 pick holds some legit trade value, I think this is the year. If the Raiders take Russell, many teams will be after CJ before the Bucs get on the clock. If the Raiders take CJ, any team needing a QB will have to try to get to #2 before the Browns are on the clock. Arizona will be looking for J. Thomas before the Bucs or Cleveland are on the clock. Not to mention anyone wanting AP before the Browns are on the clock. That said, I still get a feeling the the Millen will blow it by taking either a) Brady Quinn (the closest thing to Joey Harrington there is) or b) Gaines Adams (not bashing his talent, just think you can move down a few picks and get him).My perfect outcome for the Lions would be the Raiders taking Russell. The Lions trade down to #4 so the Bucs can take CJ. The Browns then take J. Thomas. Then the Lions trade back to #12 (Bills move up to take AP). At #12 they take P. Willis. This scenario could happen although things would have to go perfect regarding the Raiders and Browns picks. Of course, Millen is in charge and will blow everything even if all other things did work perfectly.

I agree. The Lions should trade down and take Willis. I don't know if they can trade all the way down to #12 though as Willis could go to the 49ers at #11. I agree with the concept though.

 

[enfuego]

What's the chances the Lions take a WR in R1 this year?

 

[Couch Potato]

The only team that can guarantee any player is the team with the first pick, so those who want CJ must deal with the Raiders, not the Lions. I believe OAK is using this leverage by telling people they are taking CJ unless someone trades up for him, because he's clearly the hottest commodity in this draft and has the most trade appeal. Bluffing or not, I firmly believe Tampa wants him badly enough to move to #1 to guarantee getting him and a deal will be done between Tampa and the Raiders prior to draft day because the Bucs and Bus Cook (CJ's agent) would want to have a plan for a contract in place before trading for the pick. The 1st overall pick is typically sealed contract-wise before the draft these days.

That leaves the Lions at #2 with Thomas, Quinn, Russell, Peterson, etc. and several teams who may be valid trade partners for the pick. I don't know what they'll do, but the phones will be ringing and DET should see the added value in trading down given all their needs. I expect that once the Tampa - Oakland trade happens, a Lions trading partner may get firmed up and something could happen. They may just keep the pick, but it isn't what I'd do.

 

[Routilla]

Yes.

 

[CalBear]

not a lions fan, but man they blew it by beat Dallas the last game of the season. Lose that one any your sitting at #1. And Millen will totally blow the pick no matter what, even if they trade down and get good value, who's to say he'll make the right picks then?

They did the same thing the year before on Christmas Eve when they beat the Aints on a last second FG. If they blow that game like they typically blow games, they would have had the #2 overall pick last year. Oh...Reggie Bush went #2 overall last year. Now think about him in Martz's offense.

Martz's offense that produced 3.71 yards per carry and 10 RB TDs for the season? (#27 and #26 in rushing yardage/TDs; #32 in rushing attempts). Ooh, excuse my exuberance.Yes, Millen will screw it up, however he manages to do that.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I don't believe anyone should EVER tank a game on purpose. I don't care what's at stake. As a true fan, it would've hurt 10x worse than finishing 0-16. That's just me, to each his own.

I used to want the Lions to lose for draft position at the end of the year. Then I realized it never really made any difference and we're always going to be horrible anyway.

When you're a Lions fan, a win is a wonderful rare occurrence, and it doesn't matter if it comes after you're eliminated from the playoff race, during the preseason, or in an intrasquad scrimmage. It must be enjoyed.

 

[Payne]

They are going to trade down and take Adams. Believe it or not, Millen is pretty good at making trades.

 

[grind]

not a lions fan, but man they blew it by beat Dallas the last game of the season. Lose that one any your sitting at #1. And Millen will totally blow the pick no matter what, even if they trade down and get good value, who's to say he'll make the right picks then?

They did the same thing the year before on Christmas Eve when they beat the Aints on a last second FG. If they blow that game like they typically blow games, they would have had the #2 overall pick last year. Oh...Reggie Bush went #2 overall last year. Now think about him in Martz's offense.

Martz's offense that produced 3.71 yards per carry and 10 RB TDs for the season? (#27 and #26 in rushing yardage/TDs; #32 in rushing attempts). Ooh, excuse my exuberance.Yes, Millen will screw it up, however he manages to do that.

Wowsers. I didn't realize Marshall Faulk was so bad when Vermeil was the coach of the Rams and Martz was the Offensive Coordinator.

 

[CalBear]

Wowsers. I didn't realize Marshall Faulk was so bad when Vermeil was the coach of the Rams and Martz was the Offensive Coordinator.

Your assumption here--that the 1999 St. Louis Rams have something in common with the 2006 Detroit Lions--is too ridiculous to merit a response.

 

[BigRed]

Prediction: Even if this perfect scenario occurs and Millen makes the right moves, the players involved will all end up sucking and/or injury-prone. This is just as much a Lions organization problem as it is a Millen problem.

It doesn't matter what he does... Their will be people saying he screwed up.if he stayes with the 2nd pick - people will be saying he should have moved the pickif he moves down - people will be saying that he should have stayed and got the best player available (CJ)if he scratches his nuts people will say that he was just testing Roger Goodell to see if he will get suspendedif he doesn't scratch his nuts people will say that he isn't a manAs long as he can get some impact players at positions where the Lions are lacking (Secondary, Linebacker, Offensive Line, Defensive End) then he wont have a bad draft.

Wow there are at least 2 others that get it, amazing.I notice that most people saying "he'll screw it up" don't exactly specify what that means. Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[CalBear]

I notice that most people saying "he'll screw it up" don't exactly specify what that means. Hindsight is 20/20.

When you've got Kordell Stewart at QB, you don't necessarily know how he'll screw it up in advance, but you can make a pretty good prediction that he will. Same with Matt Millen at GM.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Prediction: Even if this perfect scenario occurs and Millen makes the right moves, the players involved will all end up sucking and/or injury-prone. This is just as much a Lions organization problem as it is a Millen problem.

This is the part that most people don't get. It's not so much taking the wrong players as it is the right players going to the wrong teams. Good teams can turn average talent into winners (think Pats). Bad teams turn highly rated talent into crap (think Lions).

 

[CalBear]

Prediction: Even if this perfect scenario occurs and Millen makes the right moves, the players involved will all end up sucking and/or injury-prone. This is just as much a Lions organization problem as it is a Millen problem.

This is the part that most people don't get. It's not so much taking the wrong players as it is the right players going to the wrong teams. Good teams can turn average talent into winners (think Pats). Bad teams turn highly rated talent into crap (think Lions).

But what causes teams to be bad? It's certainly not just being in Detroit, any more than being in Detroit causes the U.S. automakers to suck. It's bad management and bad ownership, and Millen deserves a lot of the blame.

 

[Velcro]

As much as want them to trade back in the draft and acquire a ton of picks in doing so, I remember that Millen is awful at drafting. As bad as his first round picks have been (Harrington, Rogers, Fat ####), his mid and late round picks have even been worse. They get absolutely no contributions from any picks in round 2 through 7. Not even sure they contribute to special teams play. This in itself is why the Lions are so bad. Most teams get players in these middle rounds and even some in the late rounds. The Lions continue to get nothing out of these rounds. That said, even if Millen does trade down, not sure it will help. I guess if he just sticks with the second overall pick, he'll only mess up one pick instead of trading down and then messing up multiple picks in multiple rounds. I suppose f***ing up one pick is less depressing for us fans then f***ing up say six, seven picks in the first three to four rounds.

This is a much more valid criticism. Millen is a crappy GM, primarily because his free agent acquisitions have generally been expensive busts. Their drafts have also been busts, but not too many people criticized his 1st round picks right after the draft. Each of their 1st round picks have generally been highly ranked. How much fault he shoulders for the failures of their 1st rounders depends on why you think they failed. Did anyone really have a problem with their drafting of Charles Rogers? Is it Millen's fault that Rogers didn't pan out?I'm not defending Millen, just trying to move the outrage in the right direction.

 

[grind]

Wowsers. I didn't realize Marshall Faulk was so bad when Vermeil was the coach of the Rams and Martz was the Offensive Coordinator.

Your assumption here--that the 1999 St. Louis Rams have something in common with the 2006 Detroit Lions--is too ridiculous to merit a response.

Well you seemed to lump overall RB production in a Martz run offense strictly to last year's Lions team. Your post made it appear at face value that Martz has had no prior success with a Bush type RB or RB's in general. So by me contradicting your statement using a past Martz run offense as an example is far different then you indicating RB's have no success in Martz offense based solely on last year is any different?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Prediction: Even if this perfect scenario occurs and Millen makes the right moves, the players involved will all end up sucking and/or injury-prone. This is just as much a Lions organization problem as it is a Millen problem.

This is the part that most people don't get. It's not so much taking the wrong players as it is the right players going to the wrong teams. Good teams can turn average talent into winners (think Pats). Bad teams turn highly rated talent into crap (think Lions).

But what causes teams to be bad? It's certainly not just being in Detroit, any more than being in Detroit causes the U.S. automakers to suck. It's bad management and bad ownership, and Millen deserves a lot of the blame.

You are correct that the city itself has little to do with it (witness the other 3 major sports teams there). Bad management & ownership will sink any team, no matter how much talent they are given.

 

[CalBear]

Wowsers. I didn't realize Marshall Faulk was so bad when Vermeil was the coach of the Rams and Martz was the Offensive Coordinator.

Your assumption here--that the 1999 St. Louis Rams have something in common with the 2006 Detroit Lions--is too ridiculous to merit a response.

Well you seemed to lump overall RB production in a Martz run offense strictly to last year's Lions team. Your post made it appear at face value that Martz has had no prior success with a Bush type RB or RB's in general. So by me contradicting your statement using a past Martz run offense as an example is far different then you indicating RB's have no success in Martz offense based solely on last year is any different?

I wasn't saying that RBs have no success in Martz's offense. I just think it's silly to assume that just because Martz was successful as offensive coordinator on a team with a HOF RB, HOF left tackle, two possible HOF receivers (both will have better cases than Art Monk), and a two-time league MVP QB, that Reggie Bush in Detroit would have been anywhere near as successful as Marshall Faulk in St. Louis. I am willing to strongly assert that Reggie Bush did better in New Orleans than he would have done in Detroit.

 

[turkishkamel]

I don't believe anyone should EVER tank a game on purpose. I don't care what's at stake. As a true fan, it would've hurt 10x worse than finishing 0-16. That's just me, to each his own.

I used to want the Lions to lose for draft position at the end of the year. Then I realized it never really made any difference and we're always going to be horrible anyway.

When you're a Lions fan, a win is a wonderful rare occurrence, and it doesn't matter if it comes after you're eliminated from the playoff race, during the preseason, or in an intrasquad scrimmage. It must be enjoyed.

a win is always great. unfortunately for us, when we finally win a game late in the season it costs us the #1 pick. and last year dropped us from 2 to 9. just another reason its great to be a lions fan.