List of LBs that play as DE in passing situations? (1 Viewer)

[No. 16]

The IDP gurus out there... can you guys list which LBs play as DEs or even DTs in passing situations?

 

[Jene Bramel]

The IDP gurus out there... can you guys list which LBs play as DEs or even DTs in passing situations?

The vast majority of the pure 3-4 rush OLBs (Suggs, Wimbley, Ware, etc) other than Merriman often play with a hand down in the nickel packages.Others who saw time in a three point stance at times last year (though most were rare occurrences) included Antwan Barnes, Marcus Washington, Thomas Davis, Julian Peterson, Will Witherspoon, Chris Gocong, Mathias Kiwanuka, Michael Boley. The Cardinals had a bunch of guys that would play a standup DE role in their 3-3-5 nickel packages, as did the Steelers and Patriots.

 

[T Bell]

Marcus Washington I'm not sure about, not only because Williams left and Blache replaced him, but also because the last time they did this extensively was 2006, before Washington got injured and before they changed the scheme to incorporate more Cover-2 in response to the horrible injuries on defense in 2006. And then of course McIntosh also emerged last year before he got injured.

I really don't know if they're going to do this again with Washington.

 

[Toads]

Vernon Gholston DE-NYJ has been issued jersey #56.

He's listed as a DE in most leagues.

Word is that he defends the run for downs one and two then puts his hand on the ground come down three and does what he does best...rush end.

If he remains listed as a DE, he's looking at a unique set of possible numbers....DE's with 90 + tackles and 10 plus sacks are hard to come by.

 

[J Giles Band]

Not buying Gholston with 90+ tackles. No matter how they use him. 10 sacks is certainly attainable, but that would be one heck of a rookie season. I wouldn't count on it.

The DE designation would be a plus for sure.

 

[T Bell]

Not buying Gholston with 90+ tackles. No matter how they use him. 10 sacks is certainly attainable, but that would be one heck of a rookie season. I wouldn't count on it.The DE designation would be a plus for sure.

 

[Benchwarmers]

I think some of the leagues will wait to list him to see where he plays. Listed as a LB and he will lose some value for sure.

 

[massraider]

I am betting Gholston gets listed a LB, at least on most sites.

MFL uses the teams official website, and teams don't change their roster/depth chart till after the preseason. Bryan Thomas is listed as a LB, I bet the same thing happens with Vern.

 

[J Giles Band]

Gholston is listed as a LB by All Star Stats (and thus Rotoworld).

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The IDP gurus out there... can you guys list which LBs play as DEs or even DTs in passing situations?

The vast majority of the pure 3-4 rush OLBs (Suggs, Wimbley, Ware, etc) other than Merriman often play with a hand down in the nickel packages.Others who saw time in a three point stance at times last year (though most were rare occurrences) included Antwan Barnes, Marcus Washington, Thomas Davis, Julian Peterson, Will Witherspoon, Chris Gocong, Mathias Kiwanuka, Michael Boley. The Cardinals had a bunch of guys that would play a standup DE role in their 3-3-5 nickel packages, as did the Steelers and Patriots.

Demarcus Ware? Greg Ellis? Anthony Spencer?

 

[Jene Bramel]

The IDP gurus out there... can you guys list which LBs play as DEs or even DTs in passing situations?

The vast majority of the pure 3-4 rush OLBs (Suggs, Wimbley, Ware, etc) other than Merriman often play with a hand down in the nickel packages.Others who saw time in a three point stance at times last year (though most were rare occurrences) included Antwan Barnes, Marcus Washington, Thomas Davis, Julian Peterson, Will Witherspoon, Chris Gocong, Mathias Kiwanuka, Michael Boley. The Cardinals had a bunch of guys that would play a standup DE role in their 3-3-5 nickel packages, as did the Steelers and Patriots.

Demarcus Ware? Greg Ellis? Anthony Spencer?

I'd include Ellis and Spencer in the above group, too. Unlike the Pats, those guys are used primarily as pass rushers. The Cowboys used enough 4-2-5 last year that Ellis got some time with his hand down. I don't specifically remember seeing Spencer doing that last season, but he very well could have.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The IDP gurus out there... can you guys list which LBs play as DEs or even DTs in passing situations?

The vast majority of the pure 3-4 rush OLBs (Suggs, Wimbley, Ware, etc) other than Merriman often play with a hand down in the nickel packages.Others who saw time in a three point stance at times last year (though most were rare occurrences) included Antwan Barnes, Marcus Washington, Thomas Davis, Julian Peterson, Will Witherspoon, Chris Gocong, Mathias Kiwanuka, Michael Boley. The Cardinals had a bunch of guys that would play a standup DE role in their 3-3-5 nickel packages, as did the Steelers and Patriots.

Demarcus Ware? Greg Ellis? Anthony Spencer?

I'd include Ellis and Spencer in the above group, too. Unlike the Pats, those guys are used primarily as pass rushers. The Cowboys used enough 4-2-5 last year that Ellis got some time with his hand down. I don't specifically remember seeing Spencer doing that last season, but he very well could have.

Hey Jene,I was looking for a post that, I believe it was you, where you had mentioned the defensive philosophy of the Patriots. I can't recall the specifics but it had to do with the the philosophy that most teams use is to try and negate the offense but the Pats defensive philosophy was to dictate to the offense, something along those lines. Was that you or someone else and do you recall that post? I can't untrack it with the search feature.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Jene Bramel]

The IDP gurus out there... can you guys list which LBs play as DEs or even DTs in passing situations?

The vast majority of the pure 3-4 rush OLBs (Suggs, Wimbley, Ware, etc) other than Merriman often play with a hand down in the nickel packages.Others who saw time in a three point stance at times last year (though most were rare occurrences) included Antwan Barnes, Marcus Washington, Thomas Davis, Julian Peterson, Will Witherspoon, Chris Gocong, Mathias Kiwanuka, Michael Boley. The Cardinals had a bunch of guys that would play a standup DE role in their 3-3-5 nickel packages, as did the Steelers and Patriots.

Demarcus Ware? Greg Ellis? Anthony Spencer?

I'd include Ellis and Spencer in the above group, too. Unlike the Pats, those guys are used primarily as pass rushers. The Cowboys used enough 4-2-5 last year that Ellis got some time with his hand down. I don't specifically remember seeing Spencer doing that last season, but he very well could have.

Hey Jene,I was looking for a post that, I believe it was you, where you had mentioned the defensive philosophy of the Patriots. I can't recall the specifics but it had to do with the the philosophy that most teams use is to try and negate the offense but the Pats defensive philosophy was to dictate to the offense, something along those lines. Was that you or someone else and do you recall that post? I can't untrack it with the search feature.

Thanks in advance.

Sounds like my kind of rambling nonsense. May have been in one of the winter scheme threads or in a pre-Super Bowl thread about the matchup. Let me go looking. I'll post the link here if/when I find it.

Here it is, within the Discussing 3-4 thread.

The “Belichick hybrid”

There’s no simple diagram or playbook quirk that defines Belichick’s scheme. Rather, it’s the complete lack of one. Belichick, in a very short span of time early in his career, was introduced to many different defensive schemes at the professional level. Belichick was exposed to Maxie Baughan, who ran George Allen’s complex 4-3 scheme that was full of pre-snap adjustments. He briefly coached with Fritz Shurmur, who would follow Allen (and others) who used a lot of nickel schemes as a base defense. He worked with Joe Collier, who turned a troublesome set of injuries to his front seven into Denver’s vaunted Orange Crush – maybe the original multiple-front scheme. All of that before gaining fame and respect under Bill Parcells and the true 3-4 in New England and New York.

The key to the success of Belichick’s style of play is flexibility of personnel. To be able to effectively switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 to a dime defense and all points in-between requires versatility at nearly every position. Players have to be able to run and cover and hit. Linemen have to be strong enough to hold the point in the 3-4, but get upfield in a 4-3. Defensive backs have to be very good in zone coverage but competent in man coverage when needed. It requires a special skill set, but also an above-average football IQ. Compared to the base Dungy-Kiffin scheme, which likely started with as little as three or four fronts and a couple of zone coverages, Belichick’s playbook is at least ten times as complicated.

Another important difference in Belichick’s defense is philosophical rather than playbook. Most coordinators identify the weaknesses of an upcoming opponent and gameplan to take advantage. Belichick specifically seeks to take away the strength of an offense, forcing them to operate out of their comfort zone. In a league where you may face a power offense one week and a spread offense the next, the versatility of the multiple front playbook is the only way to pull off such a philosophy.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The IDP gurus out there... can you guys list which LBs play as DEs or even DTs in passing situations?

The vast majority of the pure 3-4 rush OLBs (Suggs, Wimbley, Ware, etc) other than Merriman often play with a hand down in the nickel packages.Others who saw time in a three point stance at times last year (though most were rare occurrences) included Antwan Barnes, Marcus Washington, Thomas Davis, Julian Peterson, Will Witherspoon, Chris Gocong, Mathias Kiwanuka, Michael Boley. The Cardinals had a bunch of guys that would play a standup DE role in their 3-3-5 nickel packages, as did the Steelers and Patriots.

Demarcus Ware? Greg Ellis? Anthony Spencer?

I'd include Ellis and Spencer in the above group, too. Unlike the Pats, those guys are used primarily as pass rushers. The Cowboys used enough 4-2-5 last year that Ellis got some time with his hand down. I don't specifically remember seeing Spencer doing that last season, but he very well could have.

Hey Jene,I was looking for a post that, I believe it was you, where you had mentioned the defensive philosophy of the Patriots. I can't recall the specifics but it had to do with the the philosophy that most teams use is to try and negate the offense but the Pats defensive philosophy was to dictate to the offense, something along those lines. Was that you or someone else and do you recall that post? I can't untrack it with the search feature.

Thanks in advance.

Sounds like my kind of rambling nonsense. May have been in one of the winter scheme threads or in a pre-Super Bowl thread about the matchup. Let me go looking. I'll post the link here if/when I find it.

Cool. I don't know when it was started but the time I stumbled upon the thread seemed like a few months back, if that helps any. It may have been a thread that got play in the Shark Pool and had a link over here now that I think of it.

 

[Jene Bramel]

The IDP gurus out there... can you guys list which LBs play as DEs or even DTs in passing situations?

The vast majority of the pure 3-4 rush OLBs (Suggs, Wimbley, Ware, etc) other than Merriman often play with a hand down in the nickel packages.Others who saw time in a three point stance at times last year (though most were rare occurrences) included Antwan Barnes, Marcus Washington, Thomas Davis, Julian Peterson, Will Witherspoon, Chris Gocong, Mathias Kiwanuka, Michael Boley. The Cardinals had a bunch of guys that would play a standup DE role in their 3-3-5 nickel packages, as did the Steelers and Patriots.

Demarcus Ware? Greg Ellis? Anthony Spencer?

I'd include Ellis and Spencer in the above group, too. Unlike the Pats, those guys are used primarily as pass rushers. The Cowboys used enough 4-2-5 last year that Ellis got some time with his hand down. I don't specifically remember seeing Spencer doing that last season, but he very well could have.

Hey Jene,I was looking for a post that, I believe it was you, where you had mentioned the defensive philosophy of the Patriots. I can't recall the specifics but it had to do with the the philosophy that most teams use is to try and negate the offense but the Pats defensive philosophy was to dictate to the offense, something along those lines. Was that you or someone else and do you recall that post? I can't untrack it with the search feature.

Thanks in advance.

Sounds like my kind of rambling nonsense. May have been in one of the winter scheme threads or in a pre-Super Bowl thread about the matchup. Let me go looking. I'll post the link here if/when I find it.

Cool. I don't know when it was started but the time I stumbled upon the thread seemed like a few months back, if that helps any. It may have been a thread that got play in the Shark Pool and had a link over here now that I think of it.

Found it. Posted in my prior post above. I did post links to those scheme threads in the Shark Pool, so it's probably the post you're thinking of.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The IDP gurus out there... can you guys list which LBs play as DEs or even DTs in passing situations?

The vast majority of the pure 3-4 rush OLBs (Suggs, Wimbley, Ware, etc) other than Merriman often play with a hand down in the nickel packages.Others who saw time in a three point stance at times last year (though most were rare occurrences) included Antwan Barnes, Marcus Washington, Thomas Davis, Julian Peterson, Will Witherspoon, Chris Gocong, Mathias Kiwanuka, Michael Boley. The Cardinals had a bunch of guys that would play a standup DE role in their 3-3-5 nickel packages, as did the Steelers and Patriots.

Demarcus Ware? Greg Ellis? Anthony Spencer?

I'd include Ellis and Spencer in the above group, too. Unlike the Pats, those guys are used primarily as pass rushers. The Cowboys used enough 4-2-5 last year that Ellis got some time with his hand down. I don't specifically remember seeing Spencer doing that last season, but he very well could have.

Hey Jene,I was looking for a post that, I believe it was you, where you had mentioned the defensive philosophy of the Patriots. I can't recall the specifics but it had to do with the the philosophy that most teams use is to try and negate the offense but the Pats defensive philosophy was to dictate to the offense, something along those lines. Was that you or someone else and do you recall that post? I can't untrack it with the search feature.

Thanks in advance.

Sounds like my kind of rambling nonsense. May have been in one of the winter scheme threads or in a pre-Super Bowl thread about the matchup. Let me go looking. I'll post the link here if/when I find it.

Cool. I don't know when it was started but the time I stumbled upon the thread seemed like a few months back, if that helps any. It may have been a thread that got play in the Shark Pool and had a link over here now that I think of it.

Found it. Posted in my prior post above. I did post links to those scheme threads in the Shark Pool, so it's probably the post you're thinking of.

Fantastic! Thanks again.EDIT: DOH! I had found this thread but skipped over the part I was looking for, good thing it wasn't a rattlesnake. Thanks.

 

[eric rymer]

Another one that I've been keeping an eye on is Lamar Woodley.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Travis LaBoy.

Calvin Pace was allowed to walk and LaBoy was given some coin to come aboard. With only Okeafor, Berry and Haggans as his competition, I see little reason why LaBoy could not match Pace's stats from '07.