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JPeso
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No-PPR Redraft
1. Moss
2. Owens
3. Wayne
4. Smith
5. Fitzgerald
6. A. Johnson
7. C. Johnson
8. Holt
9. Houshmanzadeh
10. Colston
11. Edwards
12. Marshall
13. Boldin
14. Burress
15. Jennings
16. Welker
17. White
18. Holmes
19. Cotchery
20. Ro. Williams
1. Moss
2. Owens
3. Wayne
4. Smith
5. Fitzgerald
6. A. Johnson
7. C. Johnson
8. Holt
9. Houshmanzadeh
10. Colston
11. Edwards
12. Marshall
13. Boldin
14. Burress
15. Jennings
16. Welker
17. White
18. Holmes
19. Cotchery
20. Ro. Williams
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Maybe it will hit me after I post but who is the second Smith?
JPeso
Footballguy
Whoops! Let me edit!
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
1. Moss
2. Owens
3. Colston
4. Wayne
5. A Johnson
6. SSmith
7. Fitzgerald
8. Edwards
9. CJohnson
10. Housh
11. Boldin
2. Owens
3. Colston
4. Wayne
5. A Johnson
6. SSmith
7. Fitzgerald
8. Edwards
9. CJohnson
10. Housh
11. Boldin
Interseptopus
Footballguy
1. Randy Moss- I think most people have him #1 just because you can't drop him down after last year. People forget that one reason Moss was so good was because he had so many good weapons around him for others to worry about too. Take away Stallworth and even Welker isn't that scarey... I would drop him, but I'd get crucified for it... and I don't know who else I'd put #1
2. Reggie Wayne- Harrison's days are over. Wayne stepped it up huge last year
3. Braylon Edwards- We saw what Stallworth did for Moss, and with Anderson with one season as the starter, I see him as a top 3 WR
4. A. Johnson- He's under valued in my opinion (at least in my league). He's an absolute stud, and that offense is looking very scarey very fast
5. Colston- He got off to a slow start last year, but had a pulled muscle. After that he was a top 5 WR. Another who may be undervalued as bigger names go higher
6. Steve Smith- I've always been down on Steve Smith as a top 10 WR, but lower half of the top 10. Don't know why, I think I just can't get over his height, and every year he does well. 6 is a fair compromise
7. T. Owens- I think this is the year Owens stops crying FOR Tony Romo and starts crying ABOUT Tony Romo
8. Burress- As much as I hate to admit it, Manning looked good last year at the end. You can't really put Burress out of the top 10
9. C. Johnson- I think he rebounds this year, no matter where he ends up playing. Nice to see a fire lit under a guy to motivate him to play
10. Fitzgerald- This one is tough because who will Leinart connect with better- Boldin? Fitz? Maybe a new college co-ed?
11. Housh- He developed very well last year into a top WR... I just think a lot of that was teams keying on CJ. This year he may drop, but not much
12. S. Holmes- He really came on last year. I am big on this guy, he has potential to jump into the top 10
13. Jennings- He paced for almost a TD a game last season. Yes, Rodgers is now starting, but I'm not worried
14. Holt- I think you have to put him here by default. He's the #1 WR in an offense that used to be very good. He'll see lots of passes and should be an amazing #2 WR
15. Boldin- Fair ranking for Boldin here. He's a great #2 fantasy WR, but there's risk involved in taking him because he could be a top 10 or a 15-20 ranked WR depending on Leinart
16. Welker- he's a great posession WR with a ton of speed. Can't drop him any further. Not real sure how he'll handle being a #2 WR though, he has only blossomed really as a #3 wherever he has been
17. Marshall- Did I read this right- he slipped on a FAST FOOD bag and severed an artery in his arm? I knew fast food killed but man... it's going to all lengths now... He'll miss a couple months but still be a good WR
18. Calvin Johnson- Hard for me to drop him any further, but hard to rank him any higher either... he's a huge weapon. He's in a crappy offense, but he's a solid #2 WR
19. Branch- I think he emerges this year the way everyone hoped last year
20. S. Moss- I was on his bandwagon the last 2 years and both disappointed... I'm avoiding him, but I think he's worth a fliar as the 20th WR
2. Reggie Wayne- Harrison's days are over. Wayne stepped it up huge last year
3. Braylon Edwards- We saw what Stallworth did for Moss, and with Anderson with one season as the starter, I see him as a top 3 WR
4. A. Johnson- He's under valued in my opinion (at least in my league). He's an absolute stud, and that offense is looking very scarey very fast
5. Colston- He got off to a slow start last year, but had a pulled muscle. After that he was a top 5 WR. Another who may be undervalued as bigger names go higher
6. Steve Smith- I've always been down on Steve Smith as a top 10 WR, but lower half of the top 10. Don't know why, I think I just can't get over his height, and every year he does well. 6 is a fair compromise
7. T. Owens- I think this is the year Owens stops crying FOR Tony Romo and starts crying ABOUT Tony Romo
8. Burress- As much as I hate to admit it, Manning looked good last year at the end. You can't really put Burress out of the top 10
9. C. Johnson- I think he rebounds this year, no matter where he ends up playing. Nice to see a fire lit under a guy to motivate him to play
10. Fitzgerald- This one is tough because who will Leinart connect with better- Boldin? Fitz? Maybe a new college co-ed?
11. Housh- He developed very well last year into a top WR... I just think a lot of that was teams keying on CJ. This year he may drop, but not much
12. S. Holmes- He really came on last year. I am big on this guy, he has potential to jump into the top 10
13. Jennings- He paced for almost a TD a game last season. Yes, Rodgers is now starting, but I'm not worried
14. Holt- I think you have to put him here by default. He's the #1 WR in an offense that used to be very good. He'll see lots of passes and should be an amazing #2 WR
15. Boldin- Fair ranking for Boldin here. He's a great #2 fantasy WR, but there's risk involved in taking him because he could be a top 10 or a 15-20 ranked WR depending on Leinart
16. Welker- he's a great posession WR with a ton of speed. Can't drop him any further. Not real sure how he'll handle being a #2 WR though, he has only blossomed really as a #3 wherever he has been
17. Marshall- Did I read this right- he slipped on a FAST FOOD bag and severed an artery in his arm? I knew fast food killed but man... it's going to all lengths now... He'll miss a couple months but still be a good WR
18. Calvin Johnson- Hard for me to drop him any further, but hard to rank him any higher either... he's a huge weapon. He's in a crappy offense, but he's a solid #2 WR
19. Branch- I think he emerges this year the way everyone hoped last year
20. S. Moss- I was on his bandwagon the last 2 years and both disappointed... I'm avoiding him, but I think he's worth a fliar as the 20th WR
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
He's why I stopped at 11.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I am. Did you not watch the DAL game? When he came in he ran that offense better than Favre and had lots of short passes to his many WRs.In fact, in that DAL game, Jennings had 5 receptions, 87 yards, 1 Td...and none of those receptions were from Favre.... (3rd most receptions of his season, 3rd most yards of his season, and a TD... not bad)13. Jennings- He paced for almost a TD a game last season. Yes, Rodgers is now starting, but I'm not worriedI would be very worried. Packers won last season thanks to the 4-5 WR sets. I'm not sold Rodgers can run that Offense.
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H.K.
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
I saw the game...But 2 quarters of play is not a large enough sample size to say the guy will be good.Not to stir the pot, but I did feel like Dallas let up a bit when Rodgers came in. Up until that point, the Boys had dominated the game. If not for a huge run by Grant, that game could have been very ugly.Not to mention Dallas isn't known for a stellar secondary...I am. Did you not watch the DAL game? When he came in he ran that offense better than Favre and had lots of short passes to his many WRs.In fact, in that DAL game, Jennings had 5 receptions, 87 yards, 1 Td.......13. Jennings- He paced for almost a TD a game last season. Yes, Rodgers is now starting, but I'm not worried
Interseptopus
Footballguy
No, but it's better than nothingFavre looked very skittish in that game. Rodgers looked calm and ran the offense GB had been running every game prior. 2 quarters is better than 0 quartersI saw the game...But 2 quarters of play is not a large enough sample size to say the guy will be good.Not to stir the pot, but I did feel like Dallas let up a bit when Rodgers came in. Up until that point, the Boys had dominated the game. If not for a huge run by Grant, that game could have been very ugly.Not to mention Dallas isn't known for a stellar secondary...I am. Did you not watch the DAL game? When he came in he ran that offense better than Favre and had lots of short passes to his many WRs.In fact, in that DAL game, Jennings had 5 receptions, 87 yards, 1 Td.......13. Jennings- He paced for almost a TD a game last season. Yes, Rodgers is now starting, but I'm not worriedI would be very worried. Packers won last season thanks to the 4-5 WR sets. I'm not sold Rodgers can run that Offense.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
FWIW, I would have Marshall and Roy in the 13-20 range, perhaps 13 and 14. Next tier - maybe the same tier as Holmes/Colston.Driver in a non-PPR, with a first year starter? maybe just above 20, probably in the mid 20's. Jennings would be above him on my list, somewhere between 15-20. Tier after Jennings/Marshall/Roy/etc.
Chachi
Footballguy
I'll let him flame out on someone elses team, the guy is a thug in the making.
H.K.
Footballguy
The QB has changed, Driver's role in the offense has not.Red zone targets the past two seasonsFWIW, I would have Marshall and Roy in the 13-20 range, perhaps 13 and 14. Next tier - maybe the same tier as Holmes/Colston.Driver in a non-PPR, with a first year starter? maybe just above 20, probably in the mid 20's. Jennings would be above him on my list, somewhere between 15-20. Tier after Jennings/Marshall/Roy/etc.Driver, too.
river 44Jennings 22I'll happily take the guy getting twice the scoring chances. Now if you think Jennings is a lock to replicate his six TD's of 40+ yards again this season, then I guess that is where we our expectations differ.
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
WR by position according to the PDSL drafts going on in the Mock Draft R Us forum
Code:
R. Moss WR1
R. Wayne WR2
T. Owens WR3
B. Edwards WR4
L. Fitzgerald WR5
A. Johnson WR6
S.Smith - CAR WR7
M. Colston WR8
TJ Housh WR9
T. Holt WR10
W. Welker WR11
Ch. Johnson WR12
B. Marshall WR13
P. Burress WR14
A. Boldin WR14
Ro. Williams WR15
S. Holmes WR16
D. Bowe WR17
G. Jennings WR18
L. Evans WR19
Ca. Johnson WR20
R. White WR21
J. Cotchery WR22FUBAR
Footballguy
Great, you're comparing a WR Favre was comfortable with against a rookie and 2nd year player. I would hope Driver had a lot more red zone targets than the rookie. How did they compare last year?Jennings is far from a lock to replicate his six long TDs, I just expect the 3rd year WR to increase his overall targets with the new QB, you know, the one that doesn't have a 9 year history with Driver.H.K. said:The QB has changed, Driver's role in the offense has not.Red zone targets the past two seasonsFUBAR said:FWIW, I would have Marshall and Roy in the 13-20 range, perhaps 13 and 14. Next tier - maybe the same tier as Holmes/Colston.Driver in a non-PPR, with a first year starter? maybe just above 20, probably in the mid 20's. Jennings would be above him on my list, somewhere between 15-20. Tier after Jennings/Marshall/Roy/etc.H.K. said:Banger said:
Chaka
Footballguy
Donte Stallworth doesn't make anybody around him a better player.The fact that he could only muster 46 receptions with a Hall of Fame QB and Randy Moss on the other side of him says everything you need to know about his talent. I would take Welker over Stallworth six days a week and twice on Sunday.Moss was awesome because he is one of the most gifted athletes to ever play the position and he had a QB who trusted him and could get him the ball. Moss was constantly drawing double and triple teams and still made people look stupid.
H.K.
Footballguy
Well, there's the difference between your position and mine....I have facts to support me.1) Target per game data from last season shows Jennings was closer to being a WR3 for GB than he was to being WR1.
2) Jennings targets per game decreased last year compared to his rookie season.
3) Driver was targeted more than Jennings at a wider ratio over last five games of the season than he was the first 9 games they both played. Simply put, Jennings role was decreasing as the season wound down.
4) Driver had 17 targets inside the 20, while Jennings had 11 targets...the same as WR3 Jones.
Again, unless Driver and Jennings switch positions in the offense, there is no reason expect a different distribution of targets. None. Regardless of who plays QB, the staff will still run the same scheme and Driver will be the first option in the passing game.
FUBAR
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Stallworth as the #2 WR put Welker as the #3 WR, and Gaffney as the #4 WR... in a 4 WR set, that's 4 WRs that can all do some major damage. You can't double team many players because of that alone. You have guys like Welker having HUGE games. Defenses have to respect that. Yeah, Stallworth didn't do much with Moss on the other side, well, because Welker tore it up as the #3 WR and Gaffney even came through big. Name one team that has a #3 WR that does better than their #2 WR... His mere presence forces teams to respect him as a potential target. With him gone, Welker moves into a less effective role as a #2 WR. A #2 WR isn't as effective on those quick slants and ins that are so effective from the slot WR position (See Az. Hakim when he went to DET from STL). That is what I meant. Not so much losing someone "as valuable" as Stallworth, but losing that potential threat will result in teams not as concerned about the #3 or #4 WR...
After week 7 (the bye), when Jennings was at full speed with the offense, Driver's receptions per game went way down. Yes, Jennings' targets per game were not equal to a #1 WR last year, I'll adjust that in the next point. You want to talk about production- Drivers receptions were down by almost 1 per game last year, he had 200 total less yards in 07 compared to 06, and in 07 he only scored 1/4 of the TDs he scored in 06. Driver had 82 (5.1 per game) receptions last year compared to Jennings' 53 (4.0 per game, played only 13 games)... a difference of 1 fantasy point per game
Driver had 2 TDs (0.125 per game), compared to Jennings' 12 (.92 per game) for a difference of 4.8 fantasy points per game in a standard 6 points per TD league
Driver had 1048 yards (65.5 per game) compared to Jennings' 920 (70.7 per game... only played 13 games)... for a fantasy difference of 5.2 fantasy points per game
So... if you had Driver last year you averaged 10.2 less fantasy points per game than Jennings... Believe me, I had Driver last year and I saw this first hand, he was barely worthy of a #3 WR start...
His targets per game decreased last year compared to his rookie season because GB went with 4-5 WR sets. Not to mention the team finally had a viable #3 option in James Jones, who stole a lot of targets from both of them. However, I hope you took into account he only played 13 games. I'd be interested to see HOW MUCH he fell compared to his rookie season... Though I wouldn't say that's a bad thing either- like I said, they had a lot more options last year than the year before
Don't get me wrong, Driver is still by far the #1 WR in that offense, and he'll continue to get the looks and the calls, but Jennings is the big play guy in the offense, and the guy you want for TDs. 12 TDs in his second season... regardless of how many less targets he got, he scored when he got the ball. That's a playmaker, and that's someone undervalued in many leagues. Just when Jennings averaged 10.2 more points per game than Driver... that has to say something...
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
IMO, you are giving Stallworth too much credit and you are moving Welker to a different role, both of which I think are a bit off.Stallworth was banged up a lot early in the season and ended up losing his starting job by the end of the year to Gaffney. In NFL terms, Moss was the #1, Stallworth and Gaffney split the #2 role, and Welker played the #3/slot role. That likely will not change this year. Moss will again be the #1, Gaffney and Chad Jackson will share the #2 role, and Welker will return to his #3/slot role.I don't see much difference between Stallworth and Jackson skill and speed wise. I don't see the Jackson/Gaffney pairing putting up a lot worse than the 82-1146-8 that Stallworth/Gaffney produced combined in 2007. Expecting NE to have a repeat of their insane passing totals from last year is likely expecting too much. So Moss and Welker may not do as well because the team likely will be less productive passing wise.
bostonfred
Footballguy
As the "third receiver", Welker not only set but crushed the team record (112 to 101) for most receptions in a season, in one of the best receiving seasons in NFL history. Third receiver might not be the best term for it.
H.K.
Footballguy
xLink to Target Data
Driver 122 targets in 15 games = 8.1 per game
Jennings 84 targets in 13 games = 6.5 per game
Jones 80 targets in 16 games = 5.0 per game
I'll assume you made a mistake instead of being purposely misleading, so for the benefit of the board I have posted the correct data.
The rest of your previous post contains other incorrect data, as well. However, I'll give you the chance to clean it up and prove you are looking to have an honest discussion.
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H.K.
Footballguy
In PPR leagues Driver had 199.2 points in 15 games and averaged 13.3/game, Jennings had 217 points in 13 games for an average of 16.7/game...that is not 10 points a game difference.Here is the issue with Jennings that people completely overlook: TD's of 57,41,82,60, 80, and 44 yards.....35% of his FF production came on six plays last season.In order for Jennings to perform similarly in FF this year, he'll need to replicate those long TD receptions, except he'll be doing it without arguably the greatest QB of all time and with a completely inexperienced signal caller.Only the insane expect Jennings to have TD numbers like last season, but the problem is those that make the flawed argument that he'll pick up production in reception and yards to offset the decline in scores. This argument belies the facts.Targets on the year
river 8.1Jennings 6.5Targets the last five games of the season (Driver targeted more than Jennings in each of those games, as well)river 8.4Jennings 5.8The gap widened between Driver and Jennings, not closed. The myth that Jennings saw an increased role as the season progressed is 100% false. Driver is the value play. Last year was a down year for him but he still had over 80 catches and over 1000 yards, despite only scoring two TD's he was the most targeted redzone receiver by a wide margin.The past four seasons Driver has averaged 86 receptions 1193 yards and six TD's, numbers that are going to put a WR on the fringe of the Top 12 in PPR leagues.
FUBAR
Footballguy
gee golly thanks mister. I had gone to the week 17 data, my bad.
The rest of the "incorrect" info, I don't see.
Bottom line, Driver is 33 and the possession WR, Jennings will continue to get the big plays, TDs, and more yardage per game as the 3rd year WR continues to improve. This thread is for non-PPR, so you can have Driver's targets and receptions, I'll take Jennings TDs and yardage.
FUBAR
Footballguy
There's the problem. HK never learned to read.
I think it is difficult to predcit what the GB offense will look like with Rodgers.
It did appear that Driver was having a harder time getting open. Grat hands, but is missing a step these days. Favre was able to force it in to him in situations where most QBs would have no business throwing (quick release, high velocity passes). Hopefully, McCarthy can dissuade Rodgers from attempting similar throws into good coverage.
So given what we saw from Jennings and Jones, I have a hard time imagining that the target numbers will not shift away from Driver. Rodgers will throw to the open man with a weaker defender.
Just my two cents.
I do not think the Dallas two quarters are a representative sample of what Rodgers will do. McCarthy called plays with kid gloves on and Dallas did not know how to respond. It would be great to see more of the same, but it is predictated on a rushing game that I think will suffer early in the season again. Also, defenses would catch on pretty fast and I have not seen that Rodgers can go deep with any accuracy.
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It did appear that Driver was having a harder time getting open. Grat hands, but is missing a step these days. Favre was able to force it in to him in situations where most QBs would have no business throwing (quick release, high velocity passes). Hopefully, McCarthy can dissuade Rodgers from attempting similar throws into good coverage.
So given what we saw from Jennings and Jones, I have a hard time imagining that the target numbers will not shift away from Driver. Rodgers will throw to the open man with a weaker defender.
Just my two cents.
I do not think the Dallas two quarters are a representative sample of what Rodgers will do. McCarthy called plays with kid gloves on and Dallas did not know how to respond. It would be great to see more of the same, but it is predictated on a rushing game that I think will suffer early in the season again. Also, defenses would catch on pretty fast and I have not seen that Rodgers can go deep with any accuracy.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Stallworth is an average NFL WR at best, he brings nothing special to the table that 64 other #2 & #3 WRs don't do just as well or better. He will not be missed by the Patriots because he is easily replaced. Same can be said of Gaffney but as I understand it he works very hard and is a solid down field blocker, something that cannot be said about Stallworth.The other WRs on this team benefited from the Moss/Brady connection not the other way around.
Toads
Footballguy
zIn a no PPR League, TD's prevail.
As a Driver owner, I'm here to attest....two TD's in weeks #2 and 3. Driver failed to score a TD in the remaining weeks of the regular season. His next was in week #19 of the post season.
Driver finished as the #38 ranked WR in Zealots Scoring. In a twelve team league, that makes him a #4 WR.
Who cares how many targets he gets? It's the points that he scores that count.
Starting a #4 WR is a good way to loose. Starting the most Targets only produces a justification for loosers.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Other than injury, the only way I can see it is that New Orleans won't be airing it out so much this year since they are investing heavily in defense. May hurt fantasy football numbers, but probably puts wins in the standings.But I'd still put him in the top 10 until the defense proves to be gelling.I have a tough time figuring out how Colston can be out of anyones top 10 list in any format
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H.K.
Footballguy
1) TD's are variableDriver since being named a starter (see if you can spot a trend):zIn a no PPR League, TD's prevail.
As a Driver owner, I'm here to attest....two TD's in weeks #2 and 3. Driver failed to score a TD in the remaining weeks of the regular season. His next was in week #19 of the post season.
Driver finished as the #38 ranked WR in Zealots Scoring. In a twelve team league, that makes him a #4 WR.
Who cares how many targets he gets? It's the points that he scores that count.
Starting a #4 WR is a good way to loose. Starting the most Targets only produces a justification for loosers.
Year TD's
2002 9
2003 2
2004 9
2005 5
2006 8
2007 2
Jennings
Year TD's
2006 3
2007 12 (6 of those TD's averaged 60+ yards in length, has any WR ever done that in two consecutive seasons?)
2) Knowing TD's are variable, it is smart to use opportunities as a barometer to estimate TD output. As I stated earlier, Driver has received twice the scoring chances that Jennings received over the past two years. Nobody has provided any proof that that will change...only opinions.
3) Loose means not tight, relaxed or care free. Lose means to be defeated.
whitewizard2
Footballguy
well here is my list:
#1. moss/ i feel the same way the other guy did pretty sure he will not do as well as last year who could? but i do not know who will do better
#2. T.O./ the boys should be throwing more and romo was comfortable last year, now with barber as the main back i think the passing game will come into prominance so as to not wear out MB3
#3. wayne/ he came up big last year for manning, and with harrison back that should just help him more. less coverage and more confidence means big year
#4. edwards/ stallworth should help out, if at nothing else he is fast off the gun and is hard to take down, his time in philli was not a fluke he should make an impact and clear the way for edwards
#5. chad johnson/ i think he will pull a kobe and actually have a good year for all his fuss, it really deoends on how well that oline holds up, and how well rudi does if all is good than chad should take off
#6. boldin/ fitzgerald/ not sure which one will blow up with leinart he will find his pony and ride him till he bucks, whoever get left out in the cold i do not think will fall out of the top 24 WRs.
#7.steve smith/ erally not sure about this it all deoends on his QB cause he can produce he just needs the arm to get it to him
#8. andre johnson/ we should really pick up where he left off last year, him and schaub were doing good then they got hurt
#9. holt/ i think his QB is fine, it just all depnds on the oline and the RB if they click expect a big year
#10. burress/ big target who played hurt last year and was still doing very well, if anything this spot os too low for him and he could do much better.
#11. R. williams/ yeah he gets hurt and the lions are going to be more balanced, but it is his contract year and if they run more than he should get very good numbers.
#12 welker/ if they can maintain a threat outside and opposite of moss than welker can tear teams up again and be the one that gives teams nightmares.
#13. hines ward/ consistent unselfish, the offense should pass more and he should benefit
#14. housh/ probably too low but it is very hard to have 2 guys on the same team top 12 in production i think he can easily reach this plateau.
#15. colston/ the #1 on a team in a weak division with bush in the backfield confounding teams he should get on track quickly and never look back.
#16. jennings/ big play threat and scores in the RZ, the only handicapp on him is the QB who no one knows how he will perform.
#17. calvin johnson/ guy who played hurt and took his lumps last year. he should come out of the gate healthy, focused, and ready to kick butt. the only thing holding him back is a QB with a slightly weak arm and another grade A receiver opposite of him.
#18. stallworth/ he did not do much with NE but in CLE he should find a good home. a team with a good #1 receiver, a very good TE for the middle, and a running game that can take over a game i do not think he can light up the world but he should do just fine.
#19. dwane bowe/ great rookie year, if he can keep it up and the QB develops he way they expect he should continue with his production.
#20. marshall/ if he comes off his injury fine than he can take off if not than a big miss for him this year.
#21. holmes/ big play threat he is either going to explode or not no in between
#22. hester/ berrian/ my wild card there is always someone who comes out of no where and plays like a wild man. no berrian and no muhammad means hester will be called more on offense and could have a pretty good year, berrian cause big play, fast guy with peterson in the backfield it all comes down to the QB who was starting to go deep consistantly with williamson with very good results these guys shuold do pertty good next year
#s i forgot/ the other arizona twin that does not click with matt, and Lee evans they should not produce anything less than 18 amongst WRs. they could do better but i think somewhere between 13-18 is adequate/
also jerry porter not sure where to place him. he had a good year with the raiders and since i did not think that was possible i am very intrigued by what others think he will do with garrad and a awesome running game.
so there is the question. how will porter do with the jaguars? for the most part i think i got a decent handle on the other WRs. there are a few i am not sure where to place but it is the guys like porter when you are not sure what they will do that will make or break you season.
#1. moss/ i feel the same way the other guy did pretty sure he will not do as well as last year who could? but i do not know who will do better
#2. T.O./ the boys should be throwing more and romo was comfortable last year, now with barber as the main back i think the passing game will come into prominance so as to not wear out MB3
#3. wayne/ he came up big last year for manning, and with harrison back that should just help him more. less coverage and more confidence means big year
#4. edwards/ stallworth should help out, if at nothing else he is fast off the gun and is hard to take down, his time in philli was not a fluke he should make an impact and clear the way for edwards
#5. chad johnson/ i think he will pull a kobe and actually have a good year for all his fuss, it really deoends on how well that oline holds up, and how well rudi does if all is good than chad should take off
#6. boldin/ fitzgerald/ not sure which one will blow up with leinart he will find his pony and ride him till he bucks, whoever get left out in the cold i do not think will fall out of the top 24 WRs.
#7.steve smith/ erally not sure about this it all deoends on his QB cause he can produce he just needs the arm to get it to him
#8. andre johnson/ we should really pick up where he left off last year, him and schaub were doing good then they got hurt
#9. holt/ i think his QB is fine, it just all depnds on the oline and the RB if they click expect a big year
#10. burress/ big target who played hurt last year and was still doing very well, if anything this spot os too low for him and he could do much better.
#11. R. williams/ yeah he gets hurt and the lions are going to be more balanced, but it is his contract year and if they run more than he should get very good numbers.
#12 welker/ if they can maintain a threat outside and opposite of moss than welker can tear teams up again and be the one that gives teams nightmares.
#13. hines ward/ consistent unselfish, the offense should pass more and he should benefit
#14. housh/ probably too low but it is very hard to have 2 guys on the same team top 12 in production i think he can easily reach this plateau.
#15. colston/ the #1 on a team in a weak division with bush in the backfield confounding teams he should get on track quickly and never look back.
#16. jennings/ big play threat and scores in the RZ, the only handicapp on him is the QB who no one knows how he will perform.
#17. calvin johnson/ guy who played hurt and took his lumps last year. he should come out of the gate healthy, focused, and ready to kick butt. the only thing holding him back is a QB with a slightly weak arm and another grade A receiver opposite of him.
#18. stallworth/ he did not do much with NE but in CLE he should find a good home. a team with a good #1 receiver, a very good TE for the middle, and a running game that can take over a game i do not think he can light up the world but he should do just fine.
#19. dwane bowe/ great rookie year, if he can keep it up and the QB develops he way they expect he should continue with his production.
#20. marshall/ if he comes off his injury fine than he can take off if not than a big miss for him this year.
#21. holmes/ big play threat he is either going to explode or not no in between
#22. hester/ berrian/ my wild card there is always someone who comes out of no where and plays like a wild man. no berrian and no muhammad means hester will be called more on offense and could have a pretty good year, berrian cause big play, fast guy with peterson in the backfield it all comes down to the QB who was starting to go deep consistantly with williamson with very good results these guys shuold do pertty good next year
#s i forgot/ the other arizona twin that does not click with matt, and Lee evans they should not produce anything less than 18 amongst WRs. they could do better but i think somewhere between 13-18 is adequate/
also jerry porter not sure where to place him. he had a good year with the raiders and since i did not think that was possible i am very intrigued by what others think he will do with garrad and a awesome running game.
so there is the question. how will porter do with the jaguars? for the most part i think i got a decent handle on the other WRs. there are a few i am not sure where to place but it is the guys like porter when you are not sure what they will do that will make or break you season.
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
Harrison will be a top ten (if healthy). Great QB= good numbers
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
HK, is a total tool and will constantly post stats that only show the point he is trying to make rather than really searching for a good discussion. He is also probably the worst person to ever listen to as he is almost always wrong and is the most annoying poster in Footballguys IMO (he is only trying to stir the pot and in fact he is the only member of football guys I have on ignore as he is a waste of time). BUT, while he is incorrect that Driver is a better guy to have than Jennings (unless you are talking about ADP), he is correct that TD's are variable and expecting 12 TD's from Jennings again would be fools gold.
As for the prediction of guys, it is truly hard to make a prediction based on the small data sample for the time without Favre.
BTW, if you care, I only saw this post as I was on a different computer and HK's posts were not ignored until I signed in.
As for the prediction of guys, it is truly hard to make a prediction based on the small data sample for the time without Favre.
BTW, if you care, I only saw this post as I was on a different computer and HK's posts were not ignored until I signed in.
gregjcross
Footballguy
Yeah : this is the most heated argument about nothing that I have ever seen in my life. Jennings is an up and coming guy who had great TD totals and should continue to do well, but his production will likely shift to yards. Driver is hitting a certain point in age where, even though his skills and production have been solid, its hard to think he'll remain a clear #1 in Green Bay. I predict that drafts and auctions will reflect both those points.
H.K.
Footballguy
Wow, imagine what type of personal attack I'd have endured if he didn't agree with me about Driver being the value play and Jennings TD production taking a hit!FWIW, I'll continue to take the high road and keep helping him work on the things he claimed were important in this thread Link, specifically:Liquid Tension said:
The good news is that I really think I can help you meet your objectives with regards to your quote about being excellent. Here is a suggested reading before you feel like lashing out at anyone else: "To Thine Own Self Be True" - William Shakespeare....PM me and I'll send it to you if you'd like. Best Wishes & Good Luck!
Interseptopus
Footballguy
He's not out of mine! That's why I think he's so underrated. He's a guy you can get as your #2 WR and have 2 #1 WRs!! No one gives him any credit because all they remember is the first half of the season when he was hurt and didnt play well. They think his second half resurgence was a fluke. He'll be a top 5 WR this yearLittle Big Head said:I have a tough time figuring out how Colston can be out of anyones top 10 list in any format
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yeah if he's healthy. He's sitting out the next 3-4 months after having a ruptured artery in his arm!!!! We'l see how good of shape he'll be in. My guess is that it takes him about 6 games to get back to producing very good fantasy points. Anyone hurt for any reason between now and the start of the season automatically is downgraded on my list, but is put on my "buy low" list after a couple games
FUBAR
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Liquid Tension
Footballguy
The high road...that is a joke and as far off the truth as you always post. I could post 100 of yours that are not even close to high road. The big difference is that others (and I mean 99% of the posters) deserve respect and the benefit of the doubt and it has nothing to do with whether they agree with me or not. In fact, I like differing opinions that are brought to the table with good analysis, that is why I come here.
You don't deserve any respect and that has been "earned." I was ignoring you but you continue to follow me around and post after me so it is hard to ignore. Everyone told me you were a tool before I saw you in action so I am not bringing anything new to shark pool in my comments; I am guilty of not listening to all the people who warned me...repeatedly; I should have listened better I guess.
Being excellent is for the other 99% of the people on this board. Please don't follow-me and please don't bother responding to my posts and I promise, I will do the same with your posts.
