Locks to make the HOF if they retired right now (1 Viewer)

[shadyridr]

NYY- Rodriguez, Jeter, Rivera, Clemens

Bos- Ramirez

Bal- none (removed Tejada)

Tor- Thomas

TB- none

Min- none

Cle- none

CHW- none

KC- none

Det- Sheffield, Rodriguez

Oak- Piazza

Sea- none

LAA- Guerrero

Tex- none

NYM- Delgado, Glavine, Martinez

Atl- Smoltz

Was- none

Fla- none

Phi- none

STL- none

CHC- none

Mil- none

Hou- Biggio

Pit- none

Cin- Griffey

SD- Hoffman, Maddux

SF- Bonds

LAD- Kent

Col- none

Ari- Johnson

Guys like Ichiro, Pujols, Santana, Beltran etc should get in but not right now. Guys like Sosa should get in if they arent accused of steroids so Im saying hes not a lock.

So thats my list. Anybody you disagree with? Anybody else should be included (I may have forgot 1 or 2 guys). The hardest borderline guys I excluded were Thome, Helton, Tejada, Schilling, & CJones. I just dont think those guys make the cut right now.

 

[Funkley]

Disagree on Tejada and Kent. Those guys aren't in yet.

 

[Capella]

Tejada is nowhere near a lock.

 

[shadyridr]

Disagree on Tejada and Kent. Those guys aren't in yet.

Kent is perhaps the best hitting 2B in baseball history and has an MVP title to boot. I was iffy on Tejada. I guess I can remove him.

 

[Bobcat10]

Whoever does those comparisons....I'd love to see them for....

Delgado

Tejada

Kent

Vlad

All others I think are total locks. These four might be too, I just would have never thought "if they retired today".

 

[shadyridr]

Doesnt Tejada have better career #s than Jeter AND he has an MVP.

 

[Sammy3469]

Tejada is nowhere near a lock.

neither is Delgado...and Sheff still needs to get to 500 HR to be a lock for this eraif you're including Bonds as a lock, you have to include Sosa.

 

[Sammy3469]

Doesnt Tejada have better career #s than Jeter AND he has an MVP.

only in HRs...surprisingly Jeter's career SLG% is right up there with Tejada's.

 

[Bobcat10]

Tejada is nowhere near a lock.

neither is Delgado...and Sheff still needs to get to 500 HR to be a lock for this era

I'd say the same about Vlad, "right now".

 

[Funkley]

Disagree on Tejada and Kent. Those guys aren't in yet.

Kent is perhaps the best hitting 2B in baseball history......

Rogers Hornsby Joe MorganFrankie FrischCharlie GehringerRod CarewAnd that's just off the top of my head. Kent is nowhere near even the top of the list.

 

[Funkley]

Disagree on Tejada and Kent. Those guys aren't in yet.

Kent is perhaps the best hitting 2B in baseball history......

Rogers Hornsby Joe MorganFrankie FrischCharlie GehringerRod CarewAnd that's just off the top of my head. Kent is nowhere near even the top of the list.

Oh yeah.....Jackie RobinsonEddie Collins

 

[RedRaiders]

Chase Utley and Cole Hamels should be added for the Phillies.

 

[Funkley]

And Sosa is about to hit his 600th home run. If Bonds is still a lock then there's no reason to leave Sosa off. He's more than a "should get in" at 600 home runs.

 

[Reality Football]

Delgado and Kent?

Yo soy skeptical.

 

[Funkley]

I missed Delgado. No way he's in right now.

 

[David Yudkin]

Here are teh HOF Monitor scores for active players. In theory, a score of 100 is HOF worthy and 130 is supposed to be a lock.

PITCHERS

Clemens 326

Big Unit 320

Maddux 241

Pedro 193

Rivera 173

Schilling 167

Glavine 166

Smoltz 143

Hoffman 132

Mussina 109

Mesa 103

Pettitte 98

POSITION PLAYERS

Bonds 345

A-Rod 277

I-Rod 212

Griffey 209

Piazza 205

Jeter 194

Sosa 191

Henderson 186

Thomas 184

Manny 182

Vlad 163

Helton 161

Pujols 146

Ichiro 145

Biggio 145

BWilliams 133

Sheffield 132

Chipper Jones 128

Thome 127

Nomar 120

Vizquel 119

Kent 118

Andruw Jones 100

Delgado 100

Tejada 99

Giambi 95

NO LONGER ACTIVE

Alomar 193

Raffy 180

Bagwell 149

Walker 147

John Franco 124

Galarraga 114

Larkin 118

Edgar Martinez 131

Juan Gonzalez 120

Cone 103

McGriff 100

NOT INDUCTED

Rose 313

Jim McCormick 194

Bob Caruthers 171

McGwire 169

Tony Mullane 169

Bobby Matthews 160

Rice 146

Tommy Bond 141

Will White 141

Lee Smith 135

Belle 134

Mattingly 133

Garvey 130

Charlie Buffinton 130

Kaat 129

Gus Weyhing 126

Gossage 126

Parker 125

Ted Simmons 124

Joe Jackson 122

Jack Morris 122

Larry Corcoran 122

Ed Morris 121

Silver King 120

Blyleven 120

Trammell 118

Dawson 118

Murphy 115

Oliva 114

Carl Mays 114

Vida Blue 114

Al Oliver 113

Tip O'Neill 112

Tommy John 111

Jim Whitney 110

Eddie Cicotte 110

Allie Reynolds 110

Van Haltren 108

Lance Parrish 107

Concepcion 106

Guidry 106

Reardon 106

Bucky Walters 104

George Mullin 104

Dave Foutz 104

Canseco 103

Bob Boone 102

Ed Reulbach 101

Gary Hecker 100

**** Allen 99

Maury Wills 98

Lolich 98

Deacon Phillippe 98

Paul Derringer 97

Tiant 97

Randy Myers 97

Sam Leever 97

Tony Pena 97

Pete Browning 96

Dave McNally 96

Joe Torre 96

Cecil Cooper 95

Jack Stivetts 95

Jack Coombs 95

That's everyone with a score of 95+ that's not in the HOF, past and present.

 

[Funkley]

Good post. Rice' 146 is bad, bad news for a lot of these current stars.

 

[shuke]

NYY- Rodriguez, Jeter, Rivera, ClemensBos- RamirezBal- none (removed Tejada)Tor- ThomasTB- noneMin- noneCle- noneCHW- noneKC- noneDet- Sheffield, RodriguezOak- PiazzaSea- noneLAA- GuerreroTex- noneNYM- Delgado, Glavine, MartinezAtl- SmoltzWas- noneFla- nonePhi- noneSTL- noneCHC- noneMil- noneHou- BiggioPit- noneCin- GriffeySD- Hoffman, MadduxSF- BondsLAD- KentCol- noneAri- JohnsonGuys like Ichiro, Pujols, Santana, Beltran etc should get in but not right now. Guys like Sosa should get in if they arent accused of steroids so Im saying hes not a lock.So thats my list. Anybody you disagree with? Anybody else should be included (I may have forgot 1 or 2 guys). The hardest borderline guys I excluded were Thome, Helton, Tejada, Schilling, & CJones. I just dont think those guys make the cut right now.

Don't agree with Guerrero, Delgado, Kent. Manny and Pedro are borderline if they retired right now.

 

[David Yudkin]

Don't agree with Guerrero, Delgado, Kent. Manny and Pedro are borderline if they retired right now.

Given that no modern era player with a HOF score of 150 or more has been kept out (except Rose for gambling and McGwire for alleged juicing), that means all these guys are pretty much going in in my book:Bonds 345Clemens 326Big Unit 320A-Rod 277Maddux 241I-Rod 212Griffey 209Piazza 205Jeter 194Almoar 193Pedro 193Sosa 191Henderson 186Thomas 184Manny 182Rivera 173Schilling 167Glavine 166Vlad 163Helton 161Other guys may get in as well, but these guys should get in unless they are discredited for juicing (thus no Palmiero). The only one that I would even have to think about would be Helton, as some will say he hugely benifitted from playing in Colorado and never played on a real contender.

 

[RedRaiders]

Todd Helton - really? I can't believe he's at 163 already.

 

[David Yudkin]

Todd Helton - really? I can't believe he's at 163 already.

9 straight .300 seasons and a .334 career average will do that. And he's hitting .359 this year so I think it's safe to say he'll get his 10th in a row. 7 straight years with 90+ walks. 3 Gold Gloves. 1756 hits, 291 HR, 1022 RBI, 1.023 career OPS (7th best ALL TIME). And he's 33.

 

[posty]

I don't think Delgado is a lock...

 

[TinHat]

Thome >> Delgado

also, if Garvey''s HOF monitor is 130 and nobody is clamoring for his induction, HTF can he be considered overrated?

 

[Limp Ditka]

NOT INDUCTEDRose 313Jim McCormick 194Bob Caruthers 171McGwire 169Tony Mullane 169Bobby Matthews 160Rice 146Tommy Bond 141Will White 141Lee Smith 135Belle 134Mattingly 133Garvey 130Charlie Buffinton 130Kaat 129Gus Weyhing 126Gossage 126Parker 125Ted Simmons 124Joe Jackson 122Jack Morris 122Larry Corcoran 122Ed Morris 121Silver King 120Blyleven 120Trammell 118Dawson 118Murphy 115Oliva 114Carl Mays 114Vida Blue 114Al Oliver 113Tip O'Neill 112Tommy John 111Jim Whitney 110Eddie Cicotte 110Allie Reynolds 110Van Haltren 108Lance Parrish 107Concepcion 106Guidry 106Reardon 106Bucky Walters 104George Mullin 104Dave Foutz 104Canseco 103Bob Boone 102Ed Reulbach 101Gary Hecker 100Dick Allen 99Maury Wills 98Lolich 98Deacon Phillippe 98Paul Derringer 97Tiant 97Randy Myers 97Sam Leever 97Tony Pena 97Pete Browning 96Dave McNally 96Joe Torre 96Cecil Cooper 95Jack Stivetts 95Jack Coombs 95That's everyone with a score of 95+ that's not in the HOF, past and present.

And people ##### that Ron Santo isn't in the Hall

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Delgado, Sheff, Guererro, Jeter and Hoffman are not in the HOF right now for my money.

 

[Funkley]

Delgado, Sheff, Guererro, Jeter and Hoffman are not in the HOF right now for my money.

Hoffman is the career leader in saves. He's a lock.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Delgado, Sheff, Guererro, Jeter and Hoffman are not in the HOF right now for my money.

Hoffman is the career leader in saves. He's a lock.

He's a compiler of an overinflated stat, he's not a hall of famer. What did being the all time leader do for Lee Smith?

 

[Funkley]

Delgado, Sheff, Guererro, Jeter and Hoffman are not in the HOF right now for my money.

Hoffman is the career leader in saves. He's a lock.

He's a compiler of an overinflated stat, he's not a hall of famer. What did being the all time leader do for Lee Smith?

So Rivera is in but Hoffman is out? Overinflated for one guy but not another?

 

[posty]

Delgado, Sheff, Guererro, Jeter and Hoffman are not in the HOF right now for my money.

Hoffman is the career leader in saves. He's a lock.

He's a compiler of an overinflated stat, he's not a hall of famer. What did being the all time leader do for Lee Smith?

Lee Smith didn't get in because his ERA / WHIP numbers were 3.03 / 1.256... Hoffman's numbers are better (2.72 / 1.041) and 500+ saves will get him in...

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Delgado, Sheff, Guererro, Jeter and Hoffman are not in the HOF right now for my money.

Hoffman is the career leader in saves. He's a lock.

He's a compiler of an overinflated stat, he's not a hall of famer. What did being the all time leader do for Lee Smith?

So Rivera is in but Hoffman is out? Overinflated for one guy but not another?

Rivera is in for some stellar postseason work. Hoffman spit the bit on the big stage

 

[posty]

Delgado, Sheff, Guererro, Jeter and Hoffman are not in the HOF right now for my money.

Hoffman is the career leader in saves. He's a lock.

He's a compiler of an overinflated stat, he's not a hall of famer. What did being the all time leader do for Lee Smith?

So Rivera is in but Hoffman is out? Overinflated for one guy but not another?

Rivera is in for some stellar postseason work. Hoffman spit the bit on the big stage

Rivera also played on much better teams than Hoffman did...Plus Hoffman didn't do that bad in the post-season... 1-2, 3.46 and 4 saves... 5BB/14K...

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Delgado, Sheff, Guererro, Jeter and Hoffman are not in the HOF right now for my money.

Hoffman is the career leader in saves. He's a lock.

He's a compiler of an overinflated stat, he's not a hall of famer. What did being the all time leader do for Lee Smith?

So Rivera is in but Hoffman is out? Overinflated for one guy but not another?

Rivera is in for some stellar postseason work. Hoffman spit the bit on the big stage

Rivera also played on much better teams than Hoffman did...Plus Hoffman didn't do that bad in the post-season... 1-2, 3.46 and 4 saves... 5BB/14K...

The Yankees wouldn't have been the Yankees without Rivera. Hoffman is a very good pitcher, but he's not a Hall of Famer.

 

[FairWarning]

Thome is a lock. Will end up with 550+ HR's.

Belle and McGriff should get serious consideration. Both had great careers during the "Steroid Era"

 

[posty]

Thome is a lock. Will end up with 550+ HR's. Belle and McGriff should get serious consideration. Both had great careers during the "Steroid Era"

Belle was on the ballot this year and got 3.5% of the vote...He will never be on the ballot again...McGriff will never get in either...

 

[Pat Patriot]

NYY- Rodriguez, Jeter, Rivera, ClemensBos- RamirezBal- none (removed Tejada)Tor- ThomasTB- noneMin- noneCle- noneCHW- noneKC- noneDet- Sheffield, RodriguezOak- PiazzaSea- noneLAA- GuerreroTex- noneNYM- Delgado, Glavine, MartinezAtl- SmoltzWas- noneFla- nonePhi- noneSTL- noneCHC- noneMil- noneHou- BiggioPit- noneCin- GriffeySD- Hoffman, MadduxSF- BondsLAD- KentCol- noneAri- JohnsonGuys like Ichiro, Pujols, Santana, Beltran etc should get in but not right now. Guys like Sosa should get in if they arent accused of steroids so Im saying hes not a lock.So thats my list. Anybody you disagree with? Anybody else should be included (I may have forgot 1 or 2 guys). The hardest borderline guys I excluded were Thome, Helton, Tejada, Schilling, & CJones. I just dont think those guys make the cut right now.

I'm not even a Chipper Jones fan but do you think Biggio was EVER a better player than Chipper?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Disagree on Tejada and Kent. Those guys aren't in yet.

Kent is perhaps the best hitting 2B in baseball history and has an MVP title to boot. I was iffy on Tejada. I guess I can remove him.

Have you ever heard of Nap Lajoie and Rogers Hornsby? Seriously you should be suspended for ten days for saying Jeff Kent is the best hitting 2Bman in baseball history.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Disagree on Tejada and Kent. Those guys aren't in yet.

Kent is perhaps the best hitting 2B in baseball history......

Rogers Hornsby Joe MorganFrankie FrischCharlie GehringerRod CarewAnd that's just off the top of my head. Kent is nowhere near even the top of the list.

Oh yeah.....Jackie RobinsonEddie Collins

It's part of my sig now. I don't even think I've read anything in the Shark Pool that bad and Big Red posts over there a lot. That's saying something.

 

[shadyridr]

Disagree on Tejada and Kent. Those guys aren't in yet.

Kent is perhaps the best hitting 2B in baseball history and has an MVP title to boot. I was iffy on Tejada. I guess I can remove him.

Have you ever heard of Nap Lajoie and Rogers Hornsby? Seriously you should be suspended for ten days for saying Jeff Kent is the best hitting 2Bman in baseball history.

perhaps down?

 

[shadyridr]

NYY- Rodriguez, Jeter, Rivera, ClemensBos- RamirezBal- none (removed Tejada)Tor- ThomasTB- noneMin- noneCle- noneCHW- noneKC- noneDet- Sheffield, RodriguezOak- PiazzaSea- noneLAA- GuerreroTex- noneNYM- Delgado, Glavine, MartinezAtl- SmoltzWas- noneFla- nonePhi- noneSTL- noneCHC- noneMil- noneHou- BiggioPit- noneCin- GriffeySD- Hoffman, MadduxSF- BondsLAD- KentCol- noneAri- JohnsonGuys like Ichiro, Pujols, Santana, Beltran etc should get in but not right now. Guys like Sosa should get in if they arent accused of steroids so Im saying hes not a lock.So thats my list. Anybody you disagree with? Anybody else should be included (I may have forgot 1 or 2 guys). The hardest borderline guys I excluded were Thome, Helton, Tejada, Schilling, & CJones. I just dont think those guys make the cut right now.

I'm not even a Chipper Jones fan but do you think Biggio was EVER a better player than Chipper?

Biggio is a 2B and was a C. Held to completely different standards.

 

[Funkley]

Disagree on Tejada and Kent. Those guys aren't in yet.

Kent is perhaps the best hitting 2B in baseball history and has an MVP title to boot. I was iffy on Tejada. I guess I can remove him.

Have you ever heard of Nap Lajoie and Rogers Hornsby? Seriously you should be suspended for ten days for saying Jeff Kent is the best hitting 2Bman in baseball history.

perhaps down?

Yeah, on this one it is.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Disagree on Tejada and Kent. Those guys aren't in yet.

Kent is perhaps the best hitting 2B in baseball history and has an MVP title to boot. I was iffy on Tejada. I guess I can remove him.

Have you ever heard of Nap Lajoie and Rogers Hornsby? Seriously you should be suspended for ten days for saying Jeff Kent is the best hitting 2Bman in baseball history.

perhaps down?

Yeah, on this one it is.

It's like saying, Mork & Mindy was perhaps the best sitcom in television history.

 

[Workhorse]

I'm still in shock that anyone could say that Pedro Martinez is "borderline" if he retired right now.

Pedro is a lock. No question about it.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Disagree on Tejada and Kent. Those guys aren't in yet.

Kent is perhaps the best hitting 2B in baseball history and has an MVP title to boot. I was iffy on Tejada. I guess I can remove him.

Have you ever heard of Nap Lajoie and Rogers Hornsby? Seriously you should be suspended for ten days for saying Jeff Kent is the best hitting 2Bman in baseball history.

perhaps down?

Yeah, on this one it is.

It's like saying, Mork & Mindy was perhaps the best sitcom in television history.

It was well on its way until that damn Jonathan Winters season

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm still in shock that anyone could say that Pedro Martinez is "borderline" if he retired right now.

Pedro is a lock. No question about it.

He's in if he never throws another pitch. ETA: Evidence

 

[GroveDiesel]

PITCHERS

Clemens 326

Big Unit 320

Maddux 241

So Randy Johnson is just a shade under Roger Clemens and a LOT higher than Maddux?

 

[posty]

PITCHERSClemens 326Big Unit 320Maddux 241So Randy Johnson is just a shade under Roger Clemens and a LOT higher than Maddux?

Probably over-evaluating the strikeouts...

 

[BlueDemon]

how about a career .307 hitter that averages 100 plus rbi's a year with a SLG of .519. Throw away 2004 and 2005 when he was injured but right now he may be the most underrated right fielder if not player in baseball. Why the Sox let him go I'll never understand. Magglio will be in.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

how about a career .307 hitter that averages 100 plus rbi's a year with a SLG of .519. Throw away 2004 and 2005 when he was injured but right now he may be the most underrated right fielder if not player in baseball. Why the Sox let him go I'll never understand. Magglio will be in.

He had a bad knee and the Tigers overpaid ( well overpaid for a hurt guy at the time)interesting to see these HOF scores. Look how close Morris and trammell are in score. Too bad that Tiger team gets the short end of the stick by the writers. Morris should be in for sure, for his clutch post-seasons and being the best pitcher in the 1980's

 

[Funkley]

how about a career .307 hitter that averages 100 plus rbi's a year with a SLG of .519. Throw away 2004 and 2005 when he was injured but right now he may be the most underrated right fielder if not player in baseball. Why the Sox let him go I'll never understand. Magglio will be in.

Those throw away years count though. Ask Tony Oliva. He's a great player, an allstar, but at nearly 30 years old with "only" 1493 hits and 230 home runs he's got a lot of work to do. There's a hell of a list of OF's he'll need to jump ahead of just to get to Jim Rice.

 

[David Yudkin]

how about a career .307 hitter that averages 100 plus rbi's a year with a SLG of .519. Throw away 2004 and 2005 when he was injured but right now he may be the most underrated right fielder if not player in baseball. Why the Sox let him go I'll never understand. Magglio will be in.

Hmmm . . .Ordonez is already 33. His HOF Monitor score is only 73.5. His career totals to date are:1493 hits, 231 HR, 895 RBI, .307 AVGI'm not saying he's not a good player, but he has A LOT of catching up to do to get his career totals higher to merit serious consideration.