Last edited by a moderator:
McNabb and Vick go way back when Nabby tried to recruit Vick to play at Syracuse.If you want to believe that McNabb confided with someone that he wasn't happy about the Vick signing, I completely disagree.But it sounds like your faith is in this not ending well. I can't tell the future, but keep the faith. Either way, it looks like profootball was making stuff up.McNabb's track record suggests this won't end well. The T.O. experiment went bad (wasn't that also done with McNabb's friendship and approval?) and he couldn't even handle Jeff Garcia getting some run...but he's going to be fine with Mike Vick down the line? Yeah right. The team even had to give him more money this offseason, without receiving additional years or any other tangible benefit, to appease their franchise quarterback.Your use of "caught lying" and "disgusting" suggests you are taking what the Eagles are selling at face value. LOL @ you for buying the team harmony hook, line, and sinker. Good luck with that.
Did you watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHPShY2r3jAYou really think thats all fake talk? Even the part where he says he was lobbying for Vick to be signed?McNabb's track record suggests this won't end well. The T.O. experiment went bad (wasn't that also done with McNabb's friendship and approval?) and he couldn't even handle Jeff Garcia getting some run...but he's going to be fine with Mike Vick down the line? Yeah right. The team even had to give him more money this offseason, without receiving additional years or any other tangible benefit, to appease their franchise quarterback.
Your use of "caught lying" and "disgusting" suggests you are taking what the Eagles are selling at face value. LOL @ you for buying the team harmony hook, line, and sinker. Good luck with that.
I no longer buy much of what Donovan McNabb sells. He definitely knows how to play the media game correctly, I'll give him that.You really think thats all fake talk? Even the part where he says he was lobbying for Vick to be signed?
McNabb's track record suggests this won't end well. The T.O. experiment went bad (wasn't that also done with McNabb's friendship and approval?) and he couldn't even handle Jeff Garcia getting some run...but he's going to be fine with Mike Vick down the line? Yeah right. The team even had to give him more money this offseason, without receiving additional years or any other tangible benefit, to appease their franchise quarterback.Your use of "caught lying" and "disgusting" suggests you are taking what the Eagles are selling at face value. LOL @ you for buying the team harmony hook, line, and sinker. Good luck with that.
I no longer buy much of what Donovan McNabb sells. He definitely knows how to play the media game correctly, I'll give him that.You really think thats all fake talk? Even the part where he says he was lobbying for Vick to be signed?
That stuff about mcNabb being pissed about Garcia was pure make believe drivel. I remember thsoe articles stating "an anonymous source close to Mcnabb."Nothing but unverified fabrications. Too bad we live in a country where people feel like they need to agree with unsubtantiated opinions just because they choose to, rather than using stringing together a logical train of thought and see things for what they are.:( So TO didn't have any troubles in SF or Dallas? Wouldn't that suggest that maybe TO was the problem and not McNabb? Even TO admitted regret in what happened a couple years after he was in Dallas.What about Garcia? McNabb couldn't handle it? Were did you get that from? McNabb was injured when Garcia was playing. Nothing he could have done about it.Looks like you are the one buying fabricated stories. Vick is the backup QB and will be worked into special packages, that's it. Nothing more to see here.McNabb's track record suggests this won't end well. The T.O. experiment went bad (wasn't that also done with McNabb's friendship and approval?) and he couldn't even handle Jeff Garcia getting some run...but he's going to be fine with Mike Vick down the line? Yeah right. The team even had to give him more money this offseason, without receiving additional years or any other tangible benefit, to appease their franchise quarterback.Your use of "caught lying" and "disgusting" suggests you are taking what the Eagles are selling at face value. LOL @ you for buying the team harmony hook, line, and sinker. Good luck with that.
Recruiting talent to attend college is vastly different than doing so in the pros. Apples and oranges.McNabb and Vick go way back when Nabby tried to recruit Vick to play at Syracuse.
Of course T.O. has issues and must shoulder his share of the blame for his divorce with Philly. However, to suggest Donovan McNabb had little to do with the team meltdown would be incorrect IMO. Once McNabb has a rough stretch or the team struggles the Vick talk will increase. Just like it did with Garcia a few years ago and with Kolb last season. Every time that situation has arose in the past McNabb has said the right things publicly and sulked behind the scenes. Too many rumors have floated over the years to just ignore this pattern. I fully expect it will occur again at some point with Vick.Is it really a stretch to think McNabb will get his feathers ruffled when Vick enters the game in certain red zone situations while McNabb is standing on the sidelines? If that would surprise you I don't think you've been paying attention to how the Eagles have handled McNabb over the years. Kid gloves at every turn.So TO didn't have any troubles in SF or Dallas? Wouldn't that suggest that maybe TO was the problem and not McNabb? Even TO admitted regret in what happened a couple years after he was in Dallas.What about Garcia? McNabb couldn't handle it? Were did you get that from? McNabb was injured when Garcia was playing. Nothing he could have done about it.Looks like you are the one buying fabricated stories. Vick is the backup QB and will be worked into special packages, that's it. Nothing more to see here.
I missed where they were caught lying.
I missed where they were caught lying.
I'm sorry but both of you are very mis-informed.I no longer buy much of what Donovan McNabb sells. He definitely knows how to play the media game correctly, I'll give him that.You really think thats all fake talk? Even the part where he says he was lobbying for Vick to be signed?This is the same guy that lobbied for TO. And sulked when Garcia got better results with the same cast of players. And blamed the media because he was black and there was more pressure on him because of it.
McNabb's actions have shown that there's only enough room for HIS ego in the clubhouse, regardless of how well he plays the media game.
As a fan of the Packers I read a lot of "unsubstantiated" Brett Favre rumors, sources, and opinions. After years of these reports some still choose to ignore them as drivel (until very recently even). At some point a consistent pattern of behind the scenes information illuminates a player. I think we've read enough over the years to come to certain conclusions about McNabb. Apparently you do not.That stuff about mcNabb being pissed about Garcia was pure make believe drivel. I remember thsoe articles stating "an anonymous source close to Mcnabb."Nothing but unverified fabrications. Too bad we live in a country where people feel like they need to agree with unsubtantiated opinions just because they choose to, rather than using stringing together a logical train of thought and see things for what they are.
But earlier you claimed:Recruiting talent to attend college is vastly different than doing so in the pros. Apples and oranges.
Was the media presence in Syracuse large enough to be a motivating factor for McNabb to "play the media game" or was he simply being genuine?Get real. A lot of you guys eat up the drivel these writers throw out there. McNabb being "angry" about Garcia was nothing but rubbish stories by writers looking for a reason to justify having a job.I no longer buy much of what Donovan McNabb sells. He definitely knows how to play the media game correctly,
While you've come to whatever conclusion you come to, I'll listen to my ex-wife who attended Syracuse University with Donovan and knows him personally.I'm sorry, but that story about Mcnabb, a quarterback who helped carry the Eagles to four straight NFC Championship games, being jealous of a qb who was on his fourth team in four years was straight rubbish.I saw Mark Eckel's article in the Trenton Times several years ago, citing a "unammed source" about a "personal friend" saying McNabb feelings were hurt regarding Garcia. Those unsubtantiated claims snowballed into ESPN fodder that you're parotting years later.The same way I bet that profootball article will become the source for later stories that ESPN will spew and you guys will eat as the truth.As a journalism major, I'm disgusted by what these hacks feed you guys, as you eat that nonsense whole.It's really sad.As a fan of the Packers I read a lot of "unsubstantiated" Brett Favre rumors, sources, and opinions. After years of these reports some still choose to ignore them as drivel (until very recently even). At some point a consistent pattern of behind the scenes information illuminates a player. I think we've read enough over the years to come to certain conclusions about McNabb. Apparently you do not.That stuff about mcNabb being pissed about Garcia was pure make believe drivel. I remember thsoe articles stating "an anonymous source close to Mcnabb."Nothing but unverified fabrications. Too bad we live in a country where people feel like they need to agree with unsubtantiated opinions just because they choose to, rather than using stringing together a logical train of thought and see things for what they are.
Would you be convinced if I told you that my journalism degree is pretty much worthless with the newspaper industry dying the way it is now?No convincing sentence ever began with "As a journalism major."I sort of agree though.
Do tell. The Garcia incident is the only one where he didn't come out publicly and cry, but his actions substantiated the rumors. He was vocal about adding TO to the team. He very clearly indicated to James Brown that the standards for black QBs were different when he was taking a lot of heat. Which part is misinformed? I'll hang up and listen.I'm sorry but both of you are very mis-informed.I no longer buy much of what Donovan McNabb sells. He definitely knows how to play the media game correctly, I'll give him that.You really think thats all fake talk? Even the part where he says he was lobbying for Vick to be signed?This is the same guy that lobbied for TO. And sulked when Garcia got better results with the same cast of players. And blamed the media because he was black and there was more pressure on him because of it.
McNabb's actions have shown that there's only enough room for HIS ego in the clubhouse, regardless of how well he plays the media game.
So what, I'm sure he wanted T.O. on the team? At that point the jury was still out on whether he was a team cancer or not. It was T.O.'s ego that caused the problem, this was admitted by T.O. when he said the rift started when he got hurt, and McNabb was asked if they could win the Superbowl without him, and McNabb said yes. So McNabb believed in the team and T.O. couldn't handle it. I think the standards for black QB's are different, but I guess that's a matter of opinion, and I don't see what it has to do with their only being room for his ego in the clubhouse. Asante Samuel has a big ego and it hasn't been a problem.As for Garcia getting better resultsDo tell. The Garcia incident is the only one where he didn't come out publicly and cry, but his actions substantiated the rumors. He was vocal about adding TO to the team. He very clearly indicated to James Brown that the standards for black QBs were different when he was taking a lot of heat. Which part is misinformed? I'll hang up and listen.I'm sorry but both of you are very mis-informed.I no longer buy much of what Donovan McNabb sells. He definitely knows how to play the media game correctly, I'll give him that.You really think thats all fake talk? Even the part where he says he was lobbying for Vick to be signed?This is the same guy that lobbied for TO. And sulked when Garcia got better results with the same cast of players. And blamed the media because he was black and there was more pressure on him because of it.
McNabb's actions have shown that there's only enough room for HIS ego in the clubhouse, regardless of how well he plays the media game.
I think the fact that TO has had issues with every QB and has been cut/traded from every team he has played for suggests that TO is the problem. To suggets otherwise is ignoring the pink elephant in the room. TO got his feelings hurt and caused a bunch of drama just like he has done for every team he has played for. I still have yet to understand what you are referring to with Garcia. Garcia understood that McNabb was the starter and left because he wanted a chance to start. Not sure what you are referring to McNabb by not being able to handle it.So to suggest that McNabb is going to get his feathers ruffed is a stretch because your argument is a house of cards.Recruiting talent to attend college is vastly different than doing so in the pros. Apples and oranges.McNabb and Vick go way back when Nabby tried to recruit Vick to play at Syracuse.Of course T.O. has issues and must shoulder his share of the blame for his divorce with Philly. However, to suggest Donovan McNabb had little to do with the team meltdown would be incorrect IMO. Once McNabb has a rough stretch or the team struggles the Vick talk will increase. Just like it did with Garcia a few years ago and with Kolb last season. Every time that situation has arose in the past McNabb has said the right things publicly and sulked behind the scenes. Too many rumors have floated over the years to just ignore this pattern. I fully expect it will occur again at some point with Vick.Is it really a stretch to think McNabb will get his feathers ruffled when Vick enters the game in certain red zone situations while McNabb is standing on the sidelines? If that would surprise you I don't think you've been paying attention to how the Eagles have handled McNabb over the years. Kid gloves at every turn.So TO didn't have any troubles in SF or Dallas? Wouldn't that suggest that maybe TO was the problem and not McNabb? Even TO admitted regret in what happened a couple years after he was in Dallas.What about Garcia? McNabb couldn't handle it? Were did you get that from? McNabb was injured when Garcia was playing. Nothing he could have done about it.Looks like you are the one buying fabricated stories. Vick is the backup QB and will be worked into special packages, that's it. Nothing more to see here.I missed where they were caught lying.![]()
And how about the fact that as a Raider, Garcia is now making a lot of comments in the press about wanting to be the starter. For obvious reasons, he didn't behave that way during his time in Philly because he knew he wasn't a starter as advertised by the media.I think the fact that TO has had issues with every QB and has been cut/traded from every team he has played for suggests that TO is the problem. To suggets otherwise is ignoring the pink elephant in the room. TO got his feelings hurt and caused a bunch of drama just like he has done for every team he has played for. I still have yet to understand what you are referring to with Garcia. Garcia understood that McNabb was the starter and left because he wanted a chance to start. Not sure what you are referring to McNabb by not being able to handle it.So to suggest that McNabb is going to get his feathers ruffed is a stretch because your argument is a house of cards.Recruiting talent to attend college is vastly different than doing so in the pros. Apples and oranges.McNabb and Vick go way back when Nabby tried to recruit Vick to play at Syracuse.Of course T.O. has issues and must shoulder his share of the blame for his divorce with Philly. However, to suggest Donovan McNabb had little to do with the team meltdown would be incorrect IMO. Once McNabb has a rough stretch or the team struggles the Vick talk will increase. Just like it did with Garcia a few years ago and with Kolb last season. Every time that situation has arose in the past McNabb has said the right things publicly and sulked behind the scenes. Too many rumors have floated over the years to just ignore this pattern. I fully expect it will occur again at some point with Vick.Is it really a stretch to think McNabb will get his feathers ruffled when Vick enters the game in certain red zone situations while McNabb is standing on the sidelines? If that would surprise you I don't think you've been paying attention to how the Eagles have handled McNabb over the years. Kid gloves at every turn.So TO didn't have any troubles in SF or Dallas? Wouldn't that suggest that maybe TO was the problem and not McNabb? Even TO admitted regret in what happened a couple years after he was in Dallas.What about Garcia? McNabb couldn't handle it? Were did you get that from? McNabb was injured when Garcia was playing. Nothing he could have done about it.Looks like you are the one buying fabricated stories. Vick is the backup QB and will be worked into special packages, that's it. Nothing more to see here.I missed where they were caught lying.![]()
I missed where they were caught lying.
I missed where they were caught lying.![]()
The thread title should be change it is discrediting to Profootball.com.I missed where they were caught lying.I missed where they were caught lying.![]()
![]()
Profootballtalk.com does a good enough job discrediting itself with it's make believe.The thread title should be change it is discrediting to Profootball.com.I missed where they were caught lying.I missed where they were caught lying.![]()
![]()
I missed where they were caught lying.I missed where they were caught lying.![]()
![]()
dotman said:As for Garcia getting better results![]()
QB GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Lng Y/A Y/G Rate McNabb 10 5-5 180 316 57 2647 18 6 87 8.4 264.7 95.5Garcia 6 5-1 116 188 61.7 1309 10 2 65 7 163.6 95.8
No sane person is suggesting that Mike Vick is going to outperform Donovan McNabb in camp and take over as the starting quarterback spot when he is permanently reinstated but this situation does have to do with McNabb. If the Eagles have a down season how long will it take for the 2010 team option on Mike Vick to become a huge topic of conversation? What happens this time around when McNabb has one of his rough stretches of games?Stable ownership, coaching staff, a fan base that wants to win above all else, and a clear starting QB makes Philly a great landing spot for Mike Vick. From the Eagles perspective I don't see it as a great move. Sure the team has struggled with red zone efficiency and in short yardage situations a bit but is this the answer? Maybe the Eagles finally put it all together and "Win one for Jerome!" but I doubt it. McNabb's tendency to get his beak bent out of shape has to be a concern and a major reason why I believe the Eagles should have let another team roll the dice on Vick.TheWheel said:This situation has absolutely nothing to do with McNabb. Michael Vick is the mover in this situation. McNabb can have the same exact ego he has now. McNabb has nothing to worry about. Every individual involved knows Vick is not competing with McNabb. Even Vick acknowledged he is there to learn to how to be a quarterback. In the meantime Vick will only be a package player. Unless the Wildcat becomes the major offensive philosophy (Vick could turn any team this way to be honest with you) McNabb is the lead QB. It is really silly to think Vick is going to manipulate anybody. It's funny; everyone doubts his skill prior to his signing and now everybody thinks he is good enough to make McNabb nervous. I don't get it.
They have a much better shot that the Packers. I'll take my chances with the former top overall pick.No sane person is suggesting that Mike Vick is going to outperform Donovan McNabb in camp and take over as the starting quarterback spot when he is permanently reinstated but this situation does have to do with McNabb. If the Eagles have a down season how long will it take for the 2010 team option on Mike Vick to become a huge topic of conversation? What happens this time around when McNabb has one of his rough stretches of games?Stable ownership, coaching staff, a fan base that wants to win above all else, and a clear starting QB makes Philly a great landing spot for Mike Vick. From the Eagles perspective I don't see it as a great move. Sure the team has struggled with red zone efficiency and in short yardage situations a bit but is this the answer? Maybe the Eagles finally put it all together and "Win one for Jerome!" but I doubt it. McNabb's tendency to get his beak bent out of shape has to be a concern and a major reason why I believe the Eagles should have let another team roll the dice on Vick.TheWheel said:This situation has absolutely nothing to do with McNabb. Michael Vick is the mover in this situation. McNabb can have the same exact ego he has now. McNabb has nothing to worry about. Every individual involved knows Vick is not competing with McNabb. Even Vick acknowledged he is there to learn to how to be a quarterback. In the meantime Vick will only be a package player. Unless the Wildcat becomes the major offensive philosophy (Vick could turn any team this way to be honest with you) McNabb is the lead QB. It is really silly to think Vick is going to manipulate anybody. It's funny; everyone doubts his skill prior to his signing and now everybody thinks he is good enough to make McNabb nervous. I don't get it.
Maybe but many Green Bay fans finally acknowledged a few simple truths regarding their franchise QB with a penchant for drama. Apparently Philly fans still have their heads buried in the sand.They have a much better shot that the Packers. I'll take my chances with the former top overall pick.
You are not providing any "truths" here, just some opinion with nothing to back it up. The only truth in GB is without your franchise QB the playoffs aren't even an option anymore.Maybe but many Green Bay fans finally acknowledged a few simple truths regarding their franchise QB with a penchant for drama. Apparently Philly fans still have their heads buried in the sand.They have a much better shot that the Packers. I'll take my chances with the former top overall pick.![]()
So when did you obtain your psychology degree to come up with such a thing?That's the problem with today's sports fan. They think they can play Dr. Melfi by watching what's going on on the sidelines, giving some sophomoric and unqualified analysis on a player.I'm sorry, but I don't think your point should qualify itself as some sort of measurable against McNabb.I remember watching a game after Garcia had taken over for McNabb. Garcia's sitting on the bench looking over pics of the defence. McNabb comes over asks to see them and promply turns around and walks off with them, Garcia has to chase down the sideline and he wouldn't them back. It was really childish.
Are you guys picking nits here? Is that the angle you're taking?I missed where they were caught lying.I missed where they were caught lying.![]()
![]()
I just don't get why people would believe that an angry McNabb, voicing his dislike about the Vick signing, would be blown off by management that would still bring in Vick.Then we see Garcia being used as proof. So the eagles listened to an angry McNabb back then when letting Garcia walk but NOW are willing to take on the Vick baggage and ignore McNabb's so called protest?Adam Schein (Sirius Blitz) seemed to buy this hook, line, & sinker cause that is all he was talking about on Friday. It was driving me insane. Thankfully Jim Miller provided some logical thought to counter Schein's outrageous claims. The other media types were kinda regurgitating the same nonsense, but most of the hosts with any football experience dismissed that (Ryan, Kirwan, Dean Dalton, etc...)However you look at it, McNabb gets a raw deal. He's a top 5 QB in this league for this season. Vick isn't anywhere near close to playing. Vick, is however, an upgrade to their back-up QB situation even with a limited playbook.
Ahh... the typing with your trigger fingers approach...So when did you obtain your psychology degree to come up with such a thing? That's the problem with today's sports fan. They think they can play Dr. Melfi by watching what's going on on the sidelines, giving some sophomoric and unqualified analysis on a player.I'm sorry, but I don't think your point should qualify itself as some sort of measurable against McNabb.I remember watching a game after Garcia had taken over for McNabb. Garcia's sitting on the bench looking over pics of the defence. McNabb comes over asks to see them and promply turns around and walks off with them, Garcia has to chase down the sideline and he wouldn't them back. It was really childish.
So then I am to assume that you would have no problem pledging to never use an anonymous source for a story?I applaud your dedication. I question how you think the real world operates, but I applaud your dedication.While you've come to whatever conclusion you come to, I'll listen to my ex-wife who attended Syracuse University with Donovan and knows him personally.I'm sorry, but that story about Mcnabb, a quarterback who helped carry the Eagles to four straight NFC Championship games, being jealous of a qb who was on his fourth team in four years was straight rubbish.As a fan of the Packers I read a lot of "unsubstantiated" Brett Favre rumors, sources, and opinions. After years of these reports some still choose to ignore them as drivel (until very recently even). At some point a consistent pattern of behind the scenes information illuminates a player. I think we've read enough over the years to come to certain conclusions about McNabb. Apparently you do not.That stuff about mcNabb being pissed about Garcia was pure make believe drivel. I remember thsoe articles stating "an anonymous source close to Mcnabb."
Nothing but unverified fabrications.
Too bad we live in a country where people feel like they need to agree with unsubtantiated opinions just because they choose to, rather than using stringing together a logical train of thought and see things for what they are.
I saw Mark Eckel's article in the Trenton Times several years ago, citing a "unammed source" about a "personal friend" saying McNabb feelings were hurt regarding Garcia. Those unsubtantiated claims snowballed into ESPN fodder that you're parotting years later.
The same way I bet that profootball article will become the source for later stories that ESPN will spew and you guys will eat as the truth.
As a journalism major, I'm disgusted by what these hacks feed you guys, as you eat that nonsense whole.
It's really sad.
Good shtick here.As a journalism major