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Devil's Advocate
REALLY awesome presentation. Hope you all get a chance to watch it. A fascinating 90 minutes. 
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"Lombardi" (1 Viewer)
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FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Just saw the last 15 minutes...looks like it is on tomorrow morning. DVR set!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Why don't we see Lombardi's power sweep anymore?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcnbT_0bhx4
Seems like that play would work in 1960 or 2010 or 2060. Are defenses simply too fast for the sweep to be effective now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcnbT_0bhx4
Seems like that play would work in 1960 or 2010 or 2060. Are defenses simply too fast for the sweep to be effective now?
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Today's offensive linemen are twice as big. I'm not sure if they're mobile enough to make it work.But I bet the next generation of linemen -- who possess both size AND speed -- would be able to pull it off. And if that ever happens.....it could change the entire landscape of the NFL.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
This is a masterpiece. Lombardi was a great coach, a great leader, a great motivator and a great man.
One of the most moving documentaries I have ever seen. He affects my life even now.
Expertly done.
One of the most moving documentaries I have ever seen. He affects my life even now.
Expertly done.
Kevrunner
Footballguy
That was a very moving documentary. Vince Lombardi was "one of a kind", sure there have been great coaches since his death, but he is in a tier all by himself. I didn't know how close he was to becoming the Giants head coach. Eventhough he was only coach of the Redskins for one season, he mad a huge impression on Sonny Jurgensen and when Sonny said something to this effect in the documentary: "If we had Vince Lombardi more than 1 season, it would have been almost like cheating", that was just an awesome statement. I am not going to lie to you, the waterworks flew a couple of times while I was watching this.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This book is at the base of much of that documentary:
''When Pride Still Mattered,'' by David Maraniss.
I highly recommend it.
Yes, the highly mobile offensive lineman needs to be returned to the NFL. We have lost a lot in that regard, both by way of coaching and player selection.
''When Pride Still Mattered,'' by David Maraniss.
I highly recommend it.
Yes, the highly mobile offensive lineman needs to be returned to the NFL. We have lost a lot in that regard, both by way of coaching and player selection.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Pardon me for not wikipedia-ing this, but can somebody explain to me how it came to be that Lombardi was no longer the coach of the Packers?
Kevrunner
Footballguy
From what I saw in the documentary, it seems that Lombardi stepped down on his own and took a front office position after winning his 3rd championship in a row (2 Superbowls). Kinda of got the idea that he was just burnt out, exhausted and didn't want to coach anymore. But, after awhile, the fire came back to coach again and that is how he ended with the Redskins. The Packer fans were enraged to say the least at that time.
I wish I didn't see all this Lombardi stuff leading up to that play and all. I figure that's why it wasn't so emotional to me as it was for you guys.
It's funny because I can never remember the Giants head coach and I'd swear they forgot to mention it when Landry and Lombardi were there.
Madden tells the Mara meeting with Lombardi story so well. I've heard him tell it on the radio a few times and...kind of annoyed they didn't let him tell it. He's just so good at it and you'd swear you can hear his eyes widening like a little kid telling a great story.
It's funny because I can never remember the Giants head coach and I'd swear they forgot to mention it when Landry and Lombardi were there.
Madden tells the Mara meeting with Lombardi story so well. I've heard him tell it on the radio a few times and...kind of annoyed they didn't let him tell it. He's just so good at it and you'd swear you can hear his eyes widening like a little kid telling a great story.
In the version Lombardi used and made famous (but didn't create) the weak side tackle and guard bolt toward the other side of the line the second the ball is snapped. They have to get in front of the strong side tackle and guard and get moving with the RB. No lineman is that fast in today's game, nor will they be in the near future.
Much closer to "the corner" maybe, I mean team's send fast guards and centers there all the time but, running right, Chris Johnson would already be tackled by the time the LT got there.
The Titans drafted super quick (for a TE) Jared Cook to block, to get out in front for CJ. That caught my eye because I was expecting them to gloat about his athleticism in the passing game. The more people I talk to, the more I find out that many teams have spent (often wasted) a pick on such a TE. Getting a big FB and a big TE that far outside is far easier than getting the T and G.
Young Kevin Mawae and ol John Hannah could really really move and they could block anywhere. The weight has gone up to like 350 getting more normal. Aside from freak Albert Haynesworth catching Reggie Wayne from behind, I just can't imagine that as NFL teams look for bigger linemen, that they'd be fast enough to do this.
Giants had an excellent line just before Tiki retired and some of them could move well. That's probably going to be the closest to it IMO.
One other thing, the RBs in Lombardi's day weren't necessarily the fastest guys but they could take a hit like a boxer does. It seems to me like they were looking for the toughest sonofagun back then and now we look for the fastest.
Awesome read.
