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Looks like another major news anchor is going down (1 Viewer)
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Sabertooth
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avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Soldiers in the other helicopters outed him.
jamny
Footballguy
Ah, ok.
Not good. I like they guy, from interviews on shows like Letterman and Conan, but this is inexcusable.
shadyridr
Footballguy
why did it take them 12 yrs to do so?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Interesting subplot developing. The pilot that CNN interviewed who claimed he flew Williams in a chopper right behind the one that took the RPG hit, and who claims their bird took small arms fire, is being accused of being a liar. Another pilot says HE was the one that flew Williams and that he wasn't part of the same chopper squadron. The NYT reported the 2nd guy as being Williams's pilot and other soldiers seem to be backing his version.
This one should ultimately be easy to get to the bottom of and it makes a somewhat significant difference in how people are perceiving this. If the CNN guy is telling the truth, Williams lie is closer to large exaggeration. If the CNN guy is lying, then it was just a flat out lie by Williams.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/06/cnns-pilot-called-into-question-by-man-who-says-he-was-really-in-command-of-brian-williams-flight/
This one should ultimately be easy to get to the bottom of and it makes a somewhat significant difference in how people are perceiving this. If the CNN guy is telling the truth, Williams lie is closer to large exaggeration. If the CNN guy is lying, then it was just a flat out lie by Williams.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/06/cnns-pilot-called-into-question-by-man-who-says-he-was-really-in-command-of-brian-williams-flight/
sublimeone
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The mind that alters, alters all.
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jonessed
Footballguy
He was largely outed via social media that didn't exist 12 years ago. It's possible they said something and it never got picked up or they didn't want to make a big deal about it and never said anything. Their only channels back then would have been through standard media.shadyridr said:
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
A couple of dudes on FB also said they've been calling him out on it for years, although where I don't know, but simply it didn't get "picked up" like it has now.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The military newspaper Stars and Stripes is the one that decided to look into it and exposed him.
Jack White
Footballguy
I can't imagine any serious person being invested in this, but I'll take a stab at it:rockaction said:
1. Who cares
2. Does it matter
3. Tom Brokaw
tom22406
Footballguy
And guess who is defending Williams?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-people-attacking-brian-williams-from-the-safety-of-their-mothers-basement-should-shut-up/
####### Geraldo
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-people-attacking-brian-williams-from-the-safety-of-their-mothers-basement-should-shut-up/
####### Geraldo
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
The chopper wasn't "shot down" by an RPG, it took a hit by RPG shrapnel. Williams' chopper took hits from small arms fire. The pilot who recalls him being in HIS chopper cuts him slack for his embellishments of the facts. Why? Because here we had reporters who were used to standing in front of a camera back in the safe confines of the US of A now being imbedded for the first time right in the middle of the ####. Hell- even the soldiers stories became bigger and better over time. They just resent his doing so because he wasn't truly a member of the club. News people were considered interlopers and liabilities...
Boston
Footballguy
Ok Chief...whether it's Travon Martin, Ferguson, Deflatgate or something like this I think the rush to judgment on current events is getting out-of-control...once people make-up their mind they dig their heels in deep...if Williams lied I hope he gets canned and is publicly humiliated (as well as NBC which I do believe is a biased news organization)...he would be a disgrace...but let's wait for all the facts before we call for his head...in this case it should not be difficult to confirm what went on...
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Except that it seems like quite a few of the soldiers involved are saying that the guy claiming to have been Williams's pilot and taking small arms fire is a liar and that Williams wasn't even close to the copter that went down.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Williams already admitted that he lied about being on the helicopter that went down. Well, admits he "misremembered" it.
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
He was in a chopper in the #### that took small arms fire. How close he was to an RPG falls under the "bigger and better" defense...
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed...pretty obvious the path this is heading...just want everything confirmed by the proper sources...than if it's what we think it is he has to pay the piper...no way he should be allowed to keep his job if this fabrication is totally confirmed...
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yeah, you keep saying that and I keep trying to explain to you that there's a good chance that he was NOT in a chopper that took small arms fire. Just read the link that I posted.
Quez
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
There are only so many ways you can interprete, "the helicopter we were traveling in was forced down after being hit by an RPG".
tom22406
Footballguy
And now the pilot changes his story
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stelter-pilot-who-claimed-he-flew-brian-williamss-helicopter-withdraws-his-account/
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Hang 10
Footballguy
All this happened in Iraq in 2003 right? I mean, that was THAT long ago, right? With all this misremembering are we sure it wasn't WWII?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Oof. More "misremembering." Looks like Krell lied to protect Williams for some reason and immediately realized he was caught. Shame on CNN for not doing a better job of verifyng,
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Wasn't he a member of NWA?What's next, are we gonna find out hes not really a rapper?
TheIronSheik
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I'm confused on this because I haven't really been following it. But if someone could explain this to me, I'd appreciate it. I saw an article that said the pilot is now recanting his story. But the more I read, that made it seem like Brian Will.I.ams was actually more in hot water. Was there a pilot that was backing his story that now is lying too? 
Wingnut
Footballguy
Close.Wasn't he a member of NWA?What's next, are we gonna find out hes not really a rapper?
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Williams told the story, other people who were there called him out. Pilot said Williams story was wrong, but close to the truth. Other people who were there then called out the pilot, who now says he misremembered as well. All of this came back to light because Williams went to a Rangers game with one of the soldiers who protected him. The story was told over the speaker system at MSG. Then it was broadcasted on his NBC news show and social media took over from there.I'm confused on this because I haven't really been following it. But if someone could explain this to me, I'd appreciate it. I saw an article that said the pilot is now recanting his story. But the more I read, that made it seem like Brian Will.I.ams was actually more in hot water. Was there a pilot that was backing his story that now is lying too?
jonessed
Footballguy
The pilot that recanted was the one that chimed in later and was more supportive of Williams.I'm confused on this because I haven't really been following it. But if someone could explain this to me, I'd appreciate it. I saw an article that said the pilot is now recanting his story. But the more I read, that made it seem like Brian Will.I.ams was actually more in hot water. Was there a pilot that was backing his story that now is lying too?
jonessed
Footballguy
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
That's odd. I've never been in a war zone, but it seems odd that multiple people are having trouble remembering things. Although, there was an article on CNN.com today by a doctor who said it's not uncommon.Williams told the story, other people who were there called him out. Pilot said Williams story was wrong, but close to the truth. Other people who were there then called out the pilot, who now says he misremembered as well.All of this came back to light because Williams went to a Rangers game with one of the soldiers who protected him. The story was told over the speaker system at MSG. Then it was broadcasted on his NBC news show and social media took over from there.I'm confused on this because I haven't really been following it. But if someone could explain this to me, I'd appreciate it. I saw an article that said the pilot is now recanting his story. But the more I read, that made it seem like Brian Will.I.ams was actually more in hot water. Was there a pilot that was backing his story that now is lying too?
Hang 10
Footballguy
If only there was news crew there to document the event so there would be no doubt what actually happened.That's odd. I've never been in a war zone, but it seems odd that multiple people are having trouble remembering things. Although, there was an article on CNN.com today by a doctor who said it's not uncommon.Williams told the story, other people who were there called him out. Pilot said Williams story was wrong, but close to the truth. Other people who were there then called out the pilot, who now says he misremembered as well.All of this came back to light because Williams went to a Rangers game with one of the soldiers who protected him. The story was told over the speaker system at MSG. Then it was broadcasted on his NBC news show and social media took over from there.I'm confused on this because I haven't really been following it. But if someone could explain this to me, I'd appreciate it. I saw an article that said the pilot is now recanting his story. But the more I read, that made it seem like Brian Will.I.ams was actually more in hot water. Was there a pilot that was backing his story that now is lying too?
Joe Summer
Footballguy
If I were a betting person, I'd bet that he doesn't lose his job. The general public doesn't care that much about self-boasting as long as you're not lying about the news every night.
Jack White
Footballguy
No.
About 90% are ripping The State News Liar, while 90% are fellating The State Sniper Murderer.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
That seems odd. It's okay for the Sniper to lie, but not Williams? Not sure how folks reconcile that position.
Parrothead
Footballguy
what is worse-
Lying about being in a helicopter that was shot or,
If you like your insurance (and doctor), you can keep your insurance (and doctor)
Lying about being in a helicopter that was shot or,
If you like your insurance (and doctor), you can keep your insurance (and doctor)
