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LT I arrested in alleged rape (1 Viewer)

Avery

Footballguy
Dynamic player on the field.

Only a few players in the history of the NFL changed the dynamic of the the position he plays.

Sadly, his life has seems to have been a mess off the field during and after his playing days.

 

Ministry of Pain

Footballguy
I don't believe its alleged at this point. What I mean is the police have said that he has had intercourse with a 15 year old. Not sure if LT volunteered the info but I think this is going to be a huge black eye on the NFL.

This guy got busted for crack cocaine multiple times after leaving the NFL, really surprised Goodell allowed him on stage for the predraft ceremonies this year.

What I'm saying is I don't need to wait to hear everything, the police seem pretty sure they have a major case here.

 

Ministry of Pain

Footballguy
3rd degree too which is sex with a minor I believe. Does any of our FBG legal staff know the difference in degrees? This is 3rd degree, does that just idenitify it as sex with a minor?

 

unckeyherb

Footballguy
I think third degree applies when the person is either mentally unable to make decisions or is under the age of 16. Bad chit. Guy was amazing on the field and a crap-human off of it. :rolleyes:

 

greenheads

Footballguy
New York Consolidated Laws

§ 130.25 Penal. Rape in the third degree.

A person is guilty of rape in the third degree when:

1. He or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person who is

incapable of consent by reason of some factor other than being less than

seventeen years old;

2. Being twenty-one years old or more, he or she engages in sexual

intercourse with another person less than seventeen years old; or

3. He or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person without

such person's consent where such lack of consent is by reason of some

factor other than incapacity to consent. Rape in the third degree is a

class E felony.

(e) For a class E felony, the term shall be fixed by the court, and shall

not exceed four years.

 

Limp Ditka

Footballguy
3rd degree too which is sex with a minor I believe. Does any of our FBG legal staff know the difference in degrees? This is 3rd degree, does that just idenitify it as sex with a minor?
If nobody on the staff knows, I'm sure Homer's up to date on all of the laws.
 

Multiple Scores

Footballguy
You gotta wonder if the girls father is out at the gun shop about right now. I wouldn't even care if she wanted to have sex, she is 15 years old and incapable of making those decisions, what is he, 50?

 

Ruffrodys05

IBL Representative
Hey guys, I can understand everyone's disgust, if the story turns out to have some validity because it just might. But there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to be crass or rude in here. It's the first step to getting this thread locked. Keep it decent.

 

Don Quixote

Footballguy
From PFT:

Former New York Giants linebacker Lawrence Taylor stands accused of raping a 15-year-old girl who is described as "a runaway from New York City controlled by a pimp," the Journal News paper in Lower Hudson Valley is reporting. According to the report, Taylor was arrested in a hotel and is being held in the Rampopo town police lockup pending arraignment on a charge of third-degree rape, which involves having intercourse with a minor. Police say the girl was brought to the hotel by a pimp and that she was punched in the face and needed treatment at a hospital, although they have not said it was Taylor who punched her. Police are expected to give more details on Thursday afternoon. The girl reportedly texted her uncle, who called the police.
 

Smack Tripper

Footballguy
Man, I really felt he had gotten out of the woods and found some peace. Sad stuff all around, and if you do the crime, you do the time.

Maybe he didn't know she was under age? :lmao: :lmao:

 

delusional

Footballguy
Dynamic player on the field.Only a few players in the history of the NFL changed the dynamic of the the position he plays.Sadly, his life has seems to have been a mess off the field during and after his playing days.
Yea he was high on coke the whole time. Frankly I dont hold him as high as others do, they seem to sweep the drug use during play thing under the rug
 

Baron Samedi

Footballguy
Dynamic player on the field.Only a few players in the history of the NFL changed the dynamic of the the position he plays.Sadly, his life has seems to have been a mess off the field during and after his playing days.
Yea he was high on coke the whole time. Frankly I dont hold him as high as others do, they seem to sweep the drug use during play thing under the rug
Imagine how great he could've been without playing high and still he was the best ever.
 

Koya

Footballguy
Dynamic player on the field.Only a few players in the history of the NFL changed the dynamic of the the position he plays.Sadly, his life has seems to have been a mess off the field during and after his playing days.
Yea he was high on coke the whole time. Frankly I dont hold him as high as others do, they seem to sweep the drug use during play thing under the rug
First, huge Giants and LT (as a player) fan here, so bias admitted. That said:(1) Do we have evidence of significant IN GAME drug use?(2) How many other greats had the benefit of various drugs, uppers, etc? Especially back in the day before modern medical techniques, proper training, diet etc... and if LT did use coke during games, while obviously its a legal issue, how does it relate to legal meds that are taken which enable players to play when they otherwise wouldnt have been able to?(3) I think LT's lifestyle and late nights likely did as much to hurt his gameday ability as any drug use might enhance it.And FWIW, the guy is regardes by most as one of and by many the best linebacker, and possibly defensive player of all time. If you have him as anything less than an all time great, even when considering the failings and potential drug use, I don't see how that is possible by a fan of the game who has watched the position and the game historically.
 

radballs

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?

 

TommyGilmore

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
She was 15 and the law really doesn't care if she told you she was 18.
 

jackdubl

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
Sounds like he should have used a more reputable escort service, you know, like Elliot Spitzer did. And I don't know about anyone else, but a fifteen-year-old looks like a kid to me, so I don't think claiming ignorance would serve him well here.
 

radballs

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
She was 15 and the law really doesn't care if she told you she was 18.
So gentlemen acquiring escort services need to check these women's I.D.'s before they conduct their transaction? Isn't that responsibility born by the escort company to do the background checks on their associates?
 

finito

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
She was 15 and the law really doesn't care if she told you she was 18.
So gentlemen acquiring escort services need to check these women's I.D.'s before they conduct their transaction? Isn't that responsibility born by the escort company to do the background checks on their associates?
I see your point, though escort services themselves are illegal in NY.
 

Koya

Footballguy
Talk to me again why this scumbag deserves the LT nickname?
Why the use of scumbag? Would you call anyone who called for an escort/hooker a scumbag (now, if he had reason to think she was under 18, call away. If not, must be lonely up on that moral perch of yours).I think we need to know a bit more about this case before we conclude he was a scumbag as opposed to another john who was caught unaware of the girl's age.
 

lyon812

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
She was 15 and the law really doesn't care if she told you she was 18.
So gentlemen acquiring escort services need to check these women's I.D.'s before they conduct their transaction? Isn't that responsibility born by the escort company to do the background checks on their associates?
Well, once you engage in prostitution, then it's illegal, regardless of how old she is.
 

radballs

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
Sounds like he should have used a more reputable escort service, you know, like Elliot Spitzer did. And I don't know about anyone else, but a fifteen-year-old looks like a kid to me, so I don't think claiming ignorance would serve him well here.
Obviously, I'm playing devil's advocate here, but I think we should straighten out a few facts and get a better feel for how the defense is going to take this. Makes for a more interesting thread than everyone just calling LT a scumbag. And I'm not an LT apologist or a NY Giants fan. In fact, I think Taylor is slightly overrated as a football player as well.

 
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radballs

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
She was 15 and the law really doesn't care if she told you she was 18.
So gentlemen acquiring escort services need to check these women's I.D.'s before they conduct their transaction? Isn't that responsibility born by the escort company to do the background checks on their associates?
Well, once you engage in prostitution, then it's illegal, regardless of how old she is.
Agreed. Much, much lesser charge than rape.
 

jackdubl

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
She was 15 and the law really doesn't care if she told you she was 18.
So gentlemen acquiring escort services need to check these women's I.D.'s before they conduct their transaction? Isn't that responsibility born by the escort company to do the background checks on their associates?
Unfortunately the law is written as "intercourse with someone under the age of 17, unless her pimp told you she was 18."
 
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dgreen

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
She was 15 and the law really doesn't care if she told you she was 18.
So gentlemen acquiring escort services need to check these women's I.D.'s before they conduct their transaction? Isn't that responsibility born by the escort company to do the background checks on their associates?
The law is basically: "Don't have sex with minors." How you go about that to make sure you aren't violating the law is up to you. A pretty safe way to avoid breaking that law is avoiding prostitutes.
 

TommyGilmore

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
She was 15 and the law really doesn't care if she told you she was 18.
So gentlemen acquiring escort services need to check these women's I.D.'s before they conduct their transaction?
Pretty much, yeah. Might be a good idea to make a photocopy for tax purposes, too.
 

Koya

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
She was 15 and the law really doesn't care if she told you she was 18.
So gentlemen acquiring escort services need to check these women's I.D.'s before they conduct their transaction? Isn't that responsibility born by the escort company to do the background checks on their associates?
The law is basically: "Don't have sex with minors." How you go about that to make sure you aren't violating the law is up to you. A pretty safe way to avoid breaking that law is avoiding prostitutes.
HUH? That doesnt make much sense. You could meet a girl at a club with a fake ID who is underage just as easily as you could meet a hooker who is underage. To me it comes down to a reasonable assumption in regard to could the girl be under 18? If she looks 22, I don't see how someone can really be blamed (are we to do ID and background checks before we hook up with someone?) - and that could be the case whether she is on the job or a casual hookup.
 

jackdubl

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
She was 15 and the law really doesn't care if she told you she was 18.
So gentlemen acquiring escort services need to check these women's I.D.'s before they conduct their transaction? Isn't that responsibility born by the escort company to do the background checks on their associates?
The law is basically: "Don't have sex with minors." How you go about that to make sure you aren't violating the law is up to you. A pretty safe way to avoid breaking that law is avoiding prostitutes.
HUH? That doesnt make much sense. You could meet a girl at a club with a fake ID who is underage just as easily as you could meet a hooker who is underage. To me it comes down to a reasonable assumption in regard to could the girl be under 18? If she looks 22, I don't see how someone can really be blamed (are we to do ID and background checks before we hook up with someone?) - and that could be the case whether she is on the job or a casual hookup.
Like it or not, that's how it is. There are a lot of areas where the person being a minor has a big impact. If you contract with a minor, that minor can turn around and say "screw this contract, I'm not honoring it" and the courts will say "they can do that because they are a minor". They would have to go way out of their way in convincing you they weren't a minor for your ignorance to be a defense. Fake ID would get you part of the way there, sure. But yeah, you'd better find out how old the person your hooking up with is. Here in our free country, where we value personal responsibiltiy, it's on you.
 
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dgreen

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
She was 15 and the law really doesn't care if she told you she was 18.
So gentlemen acquiring escort services need to check these women's I.D.'s before they conduct their transaction? Isn't that responsibility born by the escort company to do the background checks on their associates?
The law is basically: "Don't have sex with minors." How you go about that to make sure you aren't violating the law is up to you. A pretty safe way to avoid breaking that law is avoiding prostitutes.
HUH? That doesnt make much sense. You could meet a girl at a club with a fake ID who is underage just as easily as you could meet a hooker who is underage. To me it comes down to a reasonable assumption in regard to could the girl be under 18? If she looks 22, I don't see how someone can really be blamed (are we to do ID and background checks before we hook up with someone?) - and that could be the case whether she is on the job or a casual hookup.
:rolleyes:It seems to me the laws draws a pretty clear line on this. It doesn't really care whether you really, really, really thought she was 18+ or not.As for my "avoid prostitution" comment, it's generally a good idea to avoid illegal activity in an effort to avoid other illegal activity. You're right that underage girls are in clubs, too. That's a tougher situation to judge (not that the law cares, AFAIK). But, by avoiding one illegal activity (prostitution), you probably increase your chances of avoiding another illegal activity (3rd degree rape). It's not like pimps, who are involved in an illegal activity, are actively trying to avoid underage girls like a club owner, who is involved in a legal activity, would. In fact, many pimps probably search for underage girls. It meets a particular demand, one which LT just might have been pursuing.
 
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radballs

Footballguy
Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?
She was 15 and the law really doesn't care if she told you she was 18.
So gentlemen acquiring escort services need to check these women's I.D.'s before they conduct their transaction? Isn't that responsibility born by the escort company to do the background checks on their associates?
The law is basically: "Don't have sex with minors." How you go about that to make sure you aren't violating the law is up to you. A pretty safe way to avoid breaking that law is avoiding prostitutes.
It's not just about prostitutes. It's about dating and sleeping with girls. I'd say the majority of males have sex before the age of 18. This is a major problem working out the timeline for their potential partners.Example, a high school male senior who's been dating another high school female senior for years (who are both 17), then have sex when the boy turns 18 (but she's still 17) is rape, right? Is it still rape if her 18th birthday occurred first? Are they both legal to have sex when they're both 17? Are they legal when they're both 18? So, if their birthdays are six months apart, they just have to go without sex until the other one catches up? What if both are boys or both are girls? What is lesbian sex? Does it have to include some kind of penetration? A little confused here.
 

Bri

Footballguy
I've had a lot of experience with LT as he used to live nearby. I don't buy this story.

He is the most excitable person you may ever meet, but I've seen him with tons of kids and he's a big lug sweetheart type dad. I would also guess his son is near that girl's age.

Something weird here, I hope it's wrong.

 

jackdubl

Footballguy
Example, a high school male senior who's been dating another high school female senior for years (who are both 17), then have sex when the boy turns 18 (but she's still 17) is rape, right? Is it still rape if her 18th birthday occurred first? Are they both legal to have sex when they're both 17? Are they legal when they're both 18? So, if their birthdays are six months apart, they just have to go without sex until the other one catches up? What if both are boys or both are girls? What is lesbian sex? Does it have to include some kind of penetration? A little confused here.
Most state laws require you to be four years older or more for it to be statutory rape, even if one person is under 17 years old. They did that for exactly the types of situations you describe. But not everywhere has made that change yet. New York has, however. See post #7 - it says someone who is 21 or older having sex with someone under 17.
 
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radballs

Footballguy
Here in our free country, where we value personal responsibiltiy, it's on you.
I assume you're kidding with this tag since the personal responsibility in this case should lie with someone other than LT in this case. Not taking personal responsibility are all the other people associated with, number 1, the girl herself, number 2, the pimp, number 3, the laws as they are written, and number 4, the moralists condemning LT before any additional evidence has come forth that supports LT raping anybody.
 

radballs

Footballguy
Example, a high school male senior who's been dating another high school female senior for years (who are both 17), then have sex when the boy turns 18 (but she's still 17) is rape, right? Is it still rape if her 18th birthday occurred first? Are they both legal to have sex when they're both 17? Are they legal when they're both 18? So, if their birthdays are six months apart, they just have to go without sex until the other one catches up? What if both are boys or both are girls? What is lesbian sex? Does it have to include some kind of penetration? A little confused here.
Most state laws require you to be four years older or more for it to be statutory rape, even if one person is under 17 years old. They did that for exactly the types of situations you describe. But not everywhere has made that change yet. New York has, however. See post #7 - it says someone who is 21 or older having sex with someone under 17.
Thanks for the clarification there. So, a 21 year old supermodel piano teacher is a rapist when I get lucky a day before my 17th birthday. Wow.
 

dgreen

Footballguy
Example, a high school male senior who's been dating another high school female senior for years (who are both 17), then have sex when the boy turns 18 (but she's still 17) is rape, right? Is it still rape if her 18th birthday occurred first? Are they both legal to have sex when they're both 17? Are they legal when they're both 18? So, if their birthdays are six months apart, they just have to go without sex until the other one catches up? What if both are boys or both are girls? What is lesbian sex? Does it have to include some kind of penetration? A little confused here.
Most state laws require you to be four years older or more for it to be statutory rape, even if one person is under 17 years old. They did that for exactly the types of situations you describe. But not everywhere has made that change yet. New York has, however. See post #7 - it says someone who is 21 or older having sex with someone under 17.
Thanks for the clarification there. So, a 21 year old supermodel piano teacher is a rapist when I get lucky a day before my 17th birthday. Wow.
Sure. They pick a place to draw lines. I'm sure there's room to quibble about where exactly the lines are drawn.And, in your example, you wouldn't report this to the police so nothing would ever happen.

 

Koya

Footballguy
HUH? That doesnt make much sense. You could meet a girl at a club with a fake ID who is underage just as easily as you could meet a hooker who is underage. To me it comes down to a reasonable assumption in regard to could the girl be under 18? If she looks 22, I don't see how someone can really be blamed (are we to do ID and background checks before we hook up with someone?) - and that could be the case whether she is on the job or a casual hookup.
Like it or not, that's how it is. There are a lot of areas where the person being a minor has a big impact. If you contract with a minor, that minor can turn around and say "screw this contract, I'm not honoring it" and the courts will say "they can do that because they are a minor". They would have to go way out of their way in convincing you they weren't a minor for your ignorance to be a defense. Fake ID would get you part of the way there, sure. But yeah, you'd better find out how old the person your hooking up with is. Here in our free country, where we value personal responsibiltiy, it's on you.
I agree with your post until the last line - how is hooking up with a hooker making you more prone to accidentally doing so with a minor as compared to some bar / club? That's my only question here.
 

Koya

Footballguy
:excited:It seems to me the laws draws a pretty clear line on this. It doesn't really care whether you really, really, really thought she was 18+ or not.As for my "avoid prostitution" comment, it's generally a good idea to avoid illegal activity in an effort to avoid other illegal activity. You're right that underage girls are in clubs, too. That's a tougher situation to judge (not that the law cares, AFAIK). But, by avoiding one illegal activity (prostitution), you probably increase your chances of avoiding another illegal activity (3rd degree rape). It's not like pimps, who are involved in an illegal activity, are actively trying to avoid underage girls like a club owner, who is involved in a legal activity, would. In fact, many pimps probably search for underage girls. It meets a particular demand, one which LT just might have been pursuing.
Appreciate the response ... makes total sense.
 

dgreen

Footballguy
Here in our free country, where we value personal responsibiltiy, it's on you.
I assume you're kidding with this tag since the personal responsibility in this case should lie with someone other than LT in this case. Not taking personal responsibility are all the other people associated with, number 1, the girl herself, number 2, the pimp, number 3, the laws as they are written, and number 4, the moralists condemning LT before any additional evidence has come forth that supports LT raping anybody.
Just because you think all those other people involved are in the wrong doesn't make LT in the right. And, the law is basically saying there's no personal responsibility for the girl because she's incapable of making such a decision on her own. Whether she's capable or not doesn't matter in the law; it's all based on her age. Again, a line is drawn somewhere and she's below that line. Therefore, no responsibility on her part.
 

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