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LT takes a pay cut...what if the Jets can't run the ball this year (1 Viewer)

Anyone piling on Jets RBs doesn't know the differance between good line play and some of the worst line play I've sen in 5 years. (Insert HOF RB Of choice) wouldn't average 3.5 ypc behind that line. Pitiful.

Greene is still nothing special, but he's still an NFL caliber runner...that's NOT an NFL caliber line right now.

 
'JuSt CuZ said:
Mark Sanchez is one of, if not the worse, starting QB in the NFL. You are not gonna run if your passing game scares no one.
you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, and it's painfully obvious: you watch little or no football..quick: give me the names of any QB in the history of the NFL to win MORE road playoff games than Mark Sanchez..

also, give me the names of any rookie QB to start his career 3-0.

summing up the playoff victory @ NE last season:

Wikipedia:

With the win, Sanchez tied Len Dawson, Roger Staubach, Jake Delhomme, and Joe Flacco for most post-season road victories by a quarterback in NFL history..

I know Delhomme is on the list, but curiously, I do not see Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Elway, Young, Montana..

and he's just a third-year starter..

do you realize just how hard it is to win road playoff games?!

give the Jets time, the line needs to get healthy ( see Pittsburgh,they're in the same boat).

also, wait for 2012 when the Jets find themselves a new OC, after firing Shottenheimer..

come on now, you think this is all Sanchez' fault?!
Those are some nice names and in a bubble I'm sure that your argument works and the stats hold up. The defense has more to do with those wins and stats than the offense. In Sanchez's first season in 2009 he played behind the best Defense in the league allowing the lowest points and yards per game. in 2010 the Jets allowed the 3rd lowest yards and 6th lowest points per game. He's been blessed to have an awesome defense that has carried him. Also, I made my point without bolding or changing the font. Is it any wonder that the biggest supporter of Sanchez (Dilfer @ espn) played and won a superbowl in almost identical circumstances. I'm not drinking the koolaid on this one.

 
Anyone piling on Jets RBs doesn't know the differance between good line play and some of the worst line play I've sen in 5 years. (Insert HOF RB Of choice) wouldn't average 3.5 ypc behind that line. Pitiful.Greene is still nothing special, but he's still an NFL caliber runner...that's NOT an NFL caliber line right now.
The Jets had one of the best lines in the league the past 5 years. From what Ive seen they are probably below average but certainly not the worst in the league. Watch the first couple of SEA games to see truly bad O-line play.
 
'JuSt CuZ said:
Mark Sanchez is one of, if not the worse, starting QB in the NFL. You are not gonna run if your passing game scares no one.
you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, and it's painfully obvious: you watch little or no football..quick: give me the names of any QB in the history of the NFL to win MORE road playoff games than Mark Sanchez..

also, give me the names of any rookie QB to start his career 3-0.

summing up the playoff victory @ NE last season:

Wikipedia:

With the win, Sanchez tied Len Dawson, Roger Staubach, Jake Delhomme, and Joe Flacco for most post-season road victories by a quarterback in NFL history..

I know Delhomme is on the list, but curiously, I do not see Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Elway, Young, Montana..

and he's just a third-year starter..

do you realize just how hard it is to win road playoff games?!

give the Jets time, the line needs to get healthy ( see Pittsburgh,they're in the same boat).

also, wait for 2012 when the Jets find themselves a new OC, after firing Shottenheimer..

come on now, you think this is all Sanchez' fault?!
I'm sorry Tanner you can throw around all the cute stats you want but he's just not a good QB...is he horrible? no but he doesn't have pocket awareness and while they've upgraded the wr's he's still the same QB. Shotty is terrible though and has to go.
 
Anyone piling on Jets RBs doesn't know the differance between good line play and some of the worst line play I've sen in 5 years. (Insert HOF RB Of choice) wouldn't average 3.5 ypc behind that line. Pitiful.Greene is still nothing special, but he's still an NFL caliber runner...that's NOT an NFL caliber line right now.
The Jets had one of the best lines in the league the past 5 years. From what Ive seen they are probably below average but certainly not the worst in the league. Watch the first couple of SEA games to see truly bad O-line play.
So...the Jets line is merely bottom 5 instead of the absolute worst? Either way...the Jets RBs are being hit in the backfield half the time, and have no hole to run through 90% of the time.
 
So...the Jets line is merely bottom 5 instead of the absolute worst?

Either way...the Jets RBs are being hit in the backfield half the time, and have no hole to run through 90% of the time.
:yes: But some people are slow and they just repeat things they've heard in the past.

"The Jets are a run first team. They'll always be a run first team."

"They have one of the best O-lines in the NFL."

We'll probably hear these again next summer, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

 
Rich CiminiMark Sanchez completed only 33 percent on passes of 5 yards or less, per ESPN Stats. That's a bad night. #Jets
Obviously, the O-Line is getting Sanchez killed but when you're missing the easy dumpoffs at that rate, you're a pretty shaky QB.
 
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Anyone piling on Jets RBs doesn't know the differance between good line play and some of the worst line play I've sen in 5 years. (Insert HOF RB Of choice) wouldn't average 3.5 ypc behind that line. Pitiful.Greene is still nothing special, but he's still an NFL caliber runner...that's NOT an NFL caliber line right now.
But Jets fans said this line was going to be good. I asked that question about OL concerns before the season started. I agree though that the OL is wretched right now.
 
Why wouldn't they be able to run the football?
I love this post as it takes on a new meaning each week-Greene-Mangold injury-Greene-Sanchez inability to throw consistently or get pass protection which leads to predictability. We get some fresh answers almost every week. When Mangold returns will the running game improve substantially?
 
They still haven't gotten this running game figured out. I know Mangold is out but its bigger than just that.
That's a really big part, but it's not just that of course.Wayne Hunter has not played well at all replacing Woody and Moore still seems to be a little banged up as well. Shonn Greens has decent power and good straightline speed for a back his size, but he has no wiggle or quickness. If the line isn't blocking he has issues making anything happen on his own.I'd like to see them start using McKnight a little more in the running game. His speed and quickness could get the team kick started a bit.
 
'JuSt CuZ said:
Mark Sanchez is one of, if not the worse, starting QB in the NFL. You are not gonna run if your passing game scares no one.
He's actually played well this season up until last night. While he played very poorly, his o-line did him no favors. He got smacked around and then was a little shellshocked later in the game.He was a disaster overall, but just about any QB would have looked pretty bad under similiar circumstances last night. Baltimore's pass rush was unstoppable (for the Jets o-line at least).
 
Let's take a look at the Jet's rushing offense since Sanchez took over as QB:

2009: First in the NFL in rushing with 2,756 yards, third in TDs with 21

2010: Fourth in the NFL in rushing with 2,374 yards rushing, ninth in rushing TDs with 14

Bottom line - the Jets field a top-ten rushing attack since Sanchez has arrived, despite the fantasy dropoff in rushing TDs from 21 to 14.

This is a run-first team. They have a respectable core of receivers with Holmes, Burress (if he can still play), Jerricho Cotchery and Keller at TE. Oh, and they have one of the best TD scoring RBs in the history of the league in Tomlinson (159 total TDs over 10 seasons!). Greene is surrounded by talent at the other skill positions, and mentored by one of the best, ever.

I'm not afraid to draft Greene as a mid-RB2-range RB, and he has upside potential from there. If the Jets aren't a top-ten rushing team this year, I'll be shocked.
The only way IMO, I come back to this thread with my head down is if Mangold or Brick go down for significant time....

Tough to replace a Center like Mangold and keep things churning.

If everyone on the OL is healthy, I think they continue their success..
Well, umm, yeah.

I get that the Jets OL was mediocre before Mangold BUT, that's how it goes when you transition new guys, they need time to jell, with the rest of the line preferably picking up the slack....

Last year they transitioned Slausson at guard and people cried... yet, he jelled as the season went on... Believe me, if Mangold went down last year Slausson never makes it as far as he did.

Now this year Hunter looks bad Vs Demarcus Ware but, I think he holds his own with the rest of the line in tact.

We'll see but, it sounds like even if Mangold comes back this week, it's no where near full strength, then again, the line calls alone might be a big lift.

games 1 and 2 were OL growing pains IMO that you can certainly overcome, especially with the W's...

 
They still haven't gotten this running game figured out. I know Mangold is out but its bigger than just that.
That's a really big part, but it's not just that of course.Wayne Hunter has not played well at all replacing Woody and Moore still seems to be a little banged up as well. Shonn Greens has decent power and good straightline speed for a back his size, but he has no wiggle or quickness. If the line isn't blocking he has issues making anything happen on his own.I'd like to see them start using McKnight a little more in the running game. His speed and quickness could get the team kick started a bit.
What you are describing is the Jets O-line has no depth and continuity to keep it together. They have been blessed the past few years with a healthy line but they are in trouble now. Their depth is non-existant. They are starting a center that was picked up off of the Chargers' practice squad..geez. And with no depth comes no continuity and Greene isn't the type of runner to make it happen by himself. He needs the old Jets line, or the Steeler or cowboys line from back in the day where casms were opened up and the big man gets a barrel of steam built up. But greene can not pick and jump into spaces and burst. I agree that McKnight would be a much better option right now. Bilal would not be as effective as Joe and LT probably couldn't do it the rest of the season. They need to fix the line or adapt. Until then it is going to be ugly. Last night was the first time since watchingt he Cardinals last season where I watched a QB and thought "That guy wants no part of this. He wants to quit and call it a day". Sanchez was lost and confused and that's not saying HE is bad. It is saying that the Jets were overwhelmed last night because of their o-line.
 
The Shonn Greene era starts today



Addressing the team on Monday, a "furious" coach Rex Ryan told his players that the Jets will scrap their pass-heavy offense in favor of a run-first approach going forward.

"Ground and pound is back," reports beat writer Rich Cimini. According to LG/C Matt Slauson, Ryan was "emotionally hurt" after Sunday's loss to the Ravens, but "today, he was pissed.

 

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