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laughinboy_2000

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Ok, way too much talk in here about AD (who I really do like) being the number one overall RB over LT. We need to end the madness. There is no way shape or form he is better than LT right now. Maybe next year, maybe the year after that, but c'mon. Right now, he's a back-up running back, and a rookie. Dude has played a whopping five games! LT has been in this league for several years and has earned the top spot IMO. We are talking about the same guy who had 30+ TDs last year right? Are we really ready to put the rook AD in front of LT? He looked great last week, but before that, no one would have said AD was better than LT right now. Are people really going to anoint AD the number one back after one game? There is no way in my mind, AD comes up with better stats than LT at the end of the year, barring injury of course.

Discuss! :thumbup:

 
I think there is a real debate right now. Don't really have an opinion one way or the other but both are incredibly good.

 
Keys Myaths said:
laughinboy_2000 said:
There is no way shape or form he is better than LT right now.
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Year to Date, fantasy PPG (standard FBG scoring):1. Peterson, Adrian: 21.643. Tomlinson, LaDainian: 20.10You're just as knee-jerk as "they" are if you use the words "no way, shape or form".
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LT has had a MUCH harder schedule that AD. When AD can stay healthy for a full season and run for 30+ TDs in a season, I may decide to bump him up to the number one slot. The fantasy PPG will change by the end of the year.
 
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Keys Myaths said:
laughinboy_2000 said:
There is no way shape or form he is better than LT right now.
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Year to Date, fantasy PPG (standard FBG scoring):1. Peterson, Adrian: 21.643. Tomlinson, LaDainian: 20.10You're just as knee-jerk as "they" are if you use the words "no way, shape or form".
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I chuckled while some "knee jerkers" picked up Drew Brees on waivers early last year after one good game.OK, but this is different.One thing to keep in mind on the fantasy PPG is that LT had a slow start (not uncommon for him) and Peterson had a few games with Taylor injured, and yet there's still less than 2 ppg different between them. I've got Peterson on every roster, but all I expect is that he'll be a mid-to-low RB1. Barring injury, LT's floor is pretty much AP's ceiling for THIS year.
 
I asume we are talking Long term not just this year.

LT Year 1

339-1,236-10

59-367-0

QB at the time Fluite 72.0 Rating

Best WR Curtis Conway

AP though 5 games

96-607-4

10-175-1

QB Jackson/Helbcome 65 Rating

Best WR Bobby Wade

If use his current numbers to forecast the rest of the season (I even put in clunker 1 game of 10-10 yards)

298-1831-12

30-525-3

So How at this point can you not compare the 2? Will he have LT type Career? As long as he is healthily and Minny line stays some what in tac.... He will blow LT way on the ground , LT will always be a better option via the air.

 
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So last time I checked, the people who do the best at Fantasy Football aren't the ones that know LT is a great running back, it's the people who realize early that AP has the potential to be at LT's level for the rest of the season.

Now, should you trade LT for AP straight up? Hell no. But if you have LT and can use his name to snag AP and another good player that's the kind of risk that can win championships.

All you need to know as a fantasy football player is AP could finish the year as strong as LT, and if you are willing to take a risk and are in the right position then use that knowledge accordingly.

 
the nfl is a young man's league, especially at the RB position.

i need to see more evidence that to place ADP at the top, but i wouldn't allow his inexperience to prevent me from doing it if i thought it was true.

 
Did he really type that Purple Jesus is a backup running back??

Also note that those that drafted him in the 3rd round and later are getting LT - like production out of him.

WHO CARES who is better right now.

 
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Xenopax said:
So last time I checked, the people who do the best at Fantasy Football aren't the ones that know LT is a great running back, it's the people who realize early that AP has the potential to be at LT's level for the rest of the season.Now, should you trade LT for AP straight up? Hell no. But if you have LT and can use his name to snag AP and another good player that's the kind of risk that can win championships.All you need to know as a fantasy football player is AP could finish the year as strong as LT, and if you are willing to take a risk and are in the right position then use that knowledge accordingly.
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Your last sentence is your best. Your attempt at wit in the first sentence smacks of condescension. It can just as easily be said that good FF owners can see the difference between "potential" and "talent" and "one great week" vs. an established track record of production. For every time a player has a breakout game and actually maintains anything close to that level of production, there is at least one example of the breakout game not leading to maintained excellence.It's a guessing game. Acquiring Peterson is a risky move. I don't own LT, but if my team is doing well with him, there's no way I would trade him. Why add risk if my team is already in a good position? However, if my LT team is 2-4 or worse, and maybe even 3-3, then maybe it's worth the risk. One thing that is fairly clear to me though is that I'd rather have my RB playing against Detroit and Denver (LT) than Chicago and Washington (AP) come weeks 15 and 16. Sure, AP just shredded the Bears, but they will be healthier, and I'm betting they might just be a little bit ready for redemption at the rematch.It's a different story in dynasty leagues, although I would still lean toward LT as I am not a huge risk taker.I don't think you're necessarily stupid if you believe trading LT for AP is the way to go, but I think it is fair to characterize you as a risk taker. To win at FF, you usually need to take some risks, but not necessarily risks of this size.
 
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All that matters in fantasy is the future. Will AP outscore LT this year? What about next year, or the year after that for dynasty owners?

I don't care if LT scored 150 TD's last year other than it is helpful for predicting the future.

If both stay healthy, I expect LT to outscore AP this season by a decent, but not huge margin. I expect AP to be a better fantasy back by 2009 and maybe even by next season.

That makes him essentially an equal value in dynasty (depending on the rest of your team). It's not unreasonable for someone to rank AP higher in dynasty leagues, especially one that counts return yards.

 
Jayrod said:
All that matters in fantasy is the future. Will AP outscore LT this year? What about next year, or the year after that for dynasty owners?

I don't care if LT scored 150 TD's last year other than it is helpful for predicting the future.

If both stay healthy, I expect LT to outscore AP this season by a decent, but not huge margin. I expect AP to be a better fantasy back by 2009 and maybe even by next season.

That makes him essentially an equal value in dynasty (depending on the rest of your team). It's not unreasonable for someone to rank AP higher in dynasty leagues, especially one that counts return yards.
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:grad: Well said, and like I stated I love AD, but to compare him to LT after five freaking games is insane. I think AP has a shot at being in the top 5, which for me says a lot considering he's a rookie.
 
AD is the better back so far this year as I type this. LT is more proven though.

Yds Attmpt Yd/Carry TD Long

1 Adrian Peterson 607 96 6.3 4 73

2 LaDainian Tomlinson 527 122 4.3 6 41

AP has played one less game than LT so far. As far as schedule difficulty, AP and LT have faced three common opponents. The schedule difference for LT was Oak (bad run D), Den (worst run D), and NE (top 5 run D).

The schedule difference for AP was Atl and Det (both weak run Ds, but not as bad as Oak and Den).

Regardless, AP still has a lot to prove to be considered better than LT.

 
Keys Myaths said:
laughinboy_2000 said:
There is no way shape or form he is better than LT right now.
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Year to Date, fantasy PPG (standard FBG scoring):1. Peterson, Adrian: 21.643. Tomlinson, LaDainian: 20.10You're just as knee-jerk as "they" are if you use the words "no way, shape or form".
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I am a very proud ADP owner with my dynasty team. However, at the end of the day LT will outscore ADP by 50+ points by the end of the season. Its a little premature to say ADP>LT
 
ATRAIN56 said:
Keys Myaths said:
laughinboy_2000 said:
There is no way shape or form he is better than LT right now.
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Year to Date, fantasy PPG (standard FBG scoring):1. Peterson, Adrian: 21.643. Tomlinson, LaDainian: 20.10You're just as knee-jerk as "they" are if you use the words "no way, shape or form".
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I am a very proud ADP owner with my dynasty team. However, at the end of the day LT will outscore ADP by 50+ points by the end of the season. Its a little premature to say ADP>LT
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That's the third post that's characterized mine as saying Peterson is better than LT right now.I never said that. The OP said "there is no way shape or form". There are plenty. I don't like knee-jerk reactions on either side...and I certainly don't like straw men.Stop it.
 
Keys Myaths said:
That's the third post that's characterized mine as saying Peterson is better than LT right now.I never said that. The OP said "there is no way shape or form". There are plenty. I don't like knee-jerk reactions on either side...and I certainly don't like straw men.Stop it.
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What kind of men do you like?
 
Jayrod said:
All that matters in fantasy is the future. Will AP outscore LT this year? What about next year, or the year after that for dynasty owners?

I don't care if LT scored 150 TD's last year other than it is helpful for predicting the future.

If both stay healthy, I expect LT to outscore AP this season by a decent, but not huge margin. I expect AP to be a better fantasy back by 2009 and maybe even by next season.

That makes him essentially an equal value in dynasty (depending on the rest of your team). It's not unreasonable for someone to rank AP higher in dynasty leagues, especially one that counts return yards.
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I'm pretty sure he wont be returning kicks next year or any years following. It would be idiotic to keep exposing him to injury to say the least. Although if Childress isn't fired you never know.
 
The most amazing thing about LT is that he stays healthy. He plays every single game. Guys like Addai, S.Jackson, Priest Holmes, Faulk, and probably sometime soon AP..... they'll look like they're on the same level as LT for a few games or maybe even a full season. But eventually they get hurt and then we're looking for the next guy to compare to LT.

 
laughinboy_2000 said:
...There is no way shape or form he is better than LT right now. ...Discuss! :confused:
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Actually you are wrong. As of NOW.... as noted above in this thread. He IS better. Is he better going forward is the better question.Any league that rewards for long TDs, ...ADP has to be even more higher rated than LT2.
 
laughinboy_2000 said:
Ok, way too much talk in here about AD (who I really do like) being the number one overall RB over LT.
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Starting a thread about it will certainly put an end to the talk.
 
If this injury-prone back doesn't start getting some injuries pretty soon, I am going to have to seriously rethink my decision to pass on him in August.

I don't see why AD can't be the next #1 back. I mean, how long does the #1 back hold the title? I don't have AD in any leagues, so I sure hope I am wrong, but his season so far is starting to remind me of rookie seasons by guys like Dickerson, Tomlinson, and Sanders. I actually think he looks a LOT like Dickerson.

 
I want this thread bumped Sunday night when AD comes back to earth against the Boys. You sharks should know what happens after a game like he had last week.

 
I'm the biggest LT fan on the planet, so I will admit some bias.

Peterson has been viewed as one of the top RBs in the nation at every level he's played in. I believe he was the highest recruited RB coming out of HS. Clearly viewed as one of the best college RBs during his collegiate career.

LT was not quite viewed at the same level in HS, and while thought very well of in college, many thought he wasn't as good as his numbers due to playing for TCU.

So from a historical perspective, you'd have to say Peterson has more talent, as it was on display much earlier in life, and has stayed elite.

But now we are talking about the NFL, which is much different than just running the ball. LT is the most complete back in the NFL. Period. No one else comes close. Even historically, I'm hard pressed to find as complete a back as LT. There were better runners, and better receivers, but none the whole package LT is.

Can Peterson become that good? Sure. He has the talent.

Is he that good now? No. Not yet.

 
massraider said:
If this injury-prone back doesn't start getting some injuries pretty soon, I am going to have to seriously rethink my decision to pass on him in August.I don't see why AD can't be the next #1 back. I mean, how long does the #1 back hold the title? I don't have AD in any leagues, so I sure hope I am wrong, but his season so far is starting to remind me of rookie seasons by guys like Dickerson, Tomlinson, and Sanders. I actually think he looks a LOT like Dickerson.
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I truly believe AP WILL be the next #1 back, as LT ages, etc.Your Dickerson comparison is pretty accurate IMO. But, LT is a better RB than Dickerson. So if that's the ceiling you set for AP, he's not as good as LT.
 
Purple Jesus said:
Jayrod said:
All that matters in fantasy is the future. Will AP outscore LT this year? What about next year, or the year after that for dynasty owners?

I don't care if LT scored 150 TD's last year other than it is helpful for predicting the future.

If both stay healthy, I expect LT to outscore AP this season by a decent, but not huge margin. I expect AP to be a better fantasy back by 2009 and maybe even by next season.

That makes him essentially an equal value in dynasty (depending on the rest of your team). It's not unreasonable for someone to rank AP higher in dynasty leagues, especially one that counts return yards.
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I'm pretty sure he wont be returning kicks next year or any years following. It would be idiotic to keep exposing him to injury to say the least. Although if Childress isn't fired you never know.
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I was just implying the bump it gives him this year. Right now in my dynasty league with return yards, AP's PPG avg is 32.42 while LT's is 27.82.The entire difference is essentially the return yards.

I agree that the Vikes would be stupid to keep AP on KR duty next year, but by then, he'll start to close the gap with his RB stats alone.

 
shakeybarn said:
laughinboy_2000 said:
...There is no way shape or form he is better than LT right now. ...Discuss! :football:
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Actually you are wrong. As of NOW.... as noted above in this thread. He IS better. Is he better going forward is the better question.Any league that rewards for long TDs, ...ADP has to be even more higher rated than LT2.
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Not true. Fantasy stats is not an accurate picture of which player is a better RB.I guess you were arguing no way, shape, or form, and contending in that area APete is better. But that's only a portion of the picture.

 
Lets see what happens when teams gameplan to stop AP. There are no other threats on that team. Kind of like LT his rookie year. He's made noise, now teams will focus on him.

And if you're comparing stats between LT & AP, LT gets the upper hand. Just look @ the schedule... You think AP would have the stats he does right now against the teams LT has played against? No way in hell.

 
The Jerk said:
Xenopax said:
So last time I checked, the people who do the best at Fantasy Football aren't the ones that know LT is a great running back, it's the people who realize early that AP has the potential to be at LT's level for the rest of the season.Now, should you trade LT for AP straight up? Hell no. But if you have LT and can use his name to snag AP and another good player that's the kind of risk that can win championships.All you need to know as a fantasy football player is AP could finish the year as strong as LT, and if you are willing to take a risk and are in the right position then use that knowledge accordingly.
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Your last sentence is your best. Your attempt at wit in the first sentence smacks of condescension. It can just as easily be said that good FF owners can see the difference between "potential" and "talent" and "one great week" vs. an established track record of production. For every time a player has a breakout game and actually maintains anything close to that level of production, there is at least one example of the breakout game not leading to maintained excellence.It's a guessing game. Acquiring Peterson is a risky move. I don't own LT, but if my team is doing well with him, there's no way I would trade him. Why add risk if my team is already in a good position? However, if my LT team is 2-4 or worse, and maybe even 3-3, then maybe it's worth the risk. One thing that is fairly clear to me though is that I'd rather have my RB playing against Detroit and Denver (LT) than Chicago and Washington (AP) come weeks 15 and 16. Sure, AP just shredded the Bears, but they will be healthier, and I'm betting they might just be a little bit ready for redemption at the rematch.It's a different story in dynasty leagues, although I would still lean toward LT as I am not a huge risk taker.I don't think you're necessarily stupid if you believe trading LT for AP is the way to go, but I think it is fair to characterize you as a risk taker. To win at FF, you usually need to take some risks, but not necessarily risks of this size.
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Yeah, sorry, you made the point I was trying to make much better than I did. It's all about weighing risk/reward and your personal risk threshold, which is why understanding where AP and LT relate to each other both in the past and the future is so important. Sometimes when your team is doing poorly you have to take a leap of faith that AP will end up just as good or better.And my first sentence wasn't meant to be condescending, I just wanted to point out that it isn't hard to evaluate how good LT is because of his history, but it is hard to evaluate AP in the grand scheme of things because of his short NFL history. The people who guess his future the value the best will do the best, thusly someone with the talent to evaluate new players well should do much much better in fantasy football over someone who can't.
 
Guys. Put the stat sheets down. Take a deep breath. Now, watch a few games and realize that there isn't really an answer to this.

As far as LT is concerned, he is absolutely one of the best RB's of all time and is still playing at an elite level despite his slow start. How long will it last? Well, I don't think anyone can say for sure but I would suggest enjoying as much as you can for now because his inevitable decline may come a little sooner than most of us would hope or expect.

As far as AP is concerned, the guy is the real deal. Period. Forget the stats, forget who he has played against and just watch what he's done. If it was as simple as others seem to make it out to be because of who he played, then we'd be seeing other RB's doing it. In limited work, he has completely shredded defenses he's faced and looked amazing doing it. Is it too early to name him the best RB? Only in the sense that you've got to do it for a considerably longer time than he has to be worthy of that consideration. However, does he have the talent to do so? Absolutely. Is this a fluke we're seeing? No. Yes, there is hype over a lot of RB's that come out, but there were many NFL scouts that said he may be the best RB to come out of college since OJ and it appears this may be the case.

Now, trying to compare these 2 just doesn't work. It will never work. AP could have a halo over his head and 2 plumes of smoke coming out of his ### while he runs with thunder crashing everytime he touches the ball it would never be enough to say he's as good as LT is simply because he hasn't done it long enough. That's ok. It's not like we're comparing LT to Alexander, 2 RB that have been in the league a similar amount of time and both accomplished quite a bit. This comparison is something that we will have to wait for. Not to mention that these are just 2 different types of RB's. As pointed out above, LT is probably the best all around RB to play the game. His game is complete and essentially without flaws. AP, on the other hand, may be the best pure runner that could play the game. Yes, it's early, but the potential is there and the glimpses we've seen so far have been something to watch indeed. It's not often a RB can make your jaw drop and AP is that and then some. I just hope as an NFL fan that we get to watch him play for a long time to come and that he can continue to wow us on a weekly basis.

Finally, in terms of fantasy football, there is no right answer. LT is the pinnacle of your fantasy RB. It's difficult to do much better, although remotely possible. If you own him, just be happy. AP looks like he may follow the same track. In a redraft league, I'd probably prefer LT simply because he's getting more touches right now. No other reason, even given his history. In a dynasty/keeper league, I'd prefer AP just because I truly think we're seeing the next greatest RB and would be excited to watch him. Bottomline, though: both of these guys can win your league for you and there really isn't a wrong answer. Take the guy you like.

 
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There are only 2 reasons I see LT over Peterson right now is. 1. We know he will touch the ball, a LOT. 2. He has proven durable for several years in the NFL. Both of these things very well could change by the end of the year. Peterson is actually playing better than LT, or any RB outside of possibly R. Brown, in the NFL right now. So, it is a bit funny to see so many people dismiss him so quickly simply because the name of the other guy is LT.

 
BILLIEVE said:
Lets see what happens when teams gameplan to stop AP. There are no other threats on that team. Kind of like LT his rookie year. He's made noise, now teams will focus on him.
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This is a brutal argument to try to make. You don't think that the Vikings first 5 opponents knew Peterson was the entire Vikings offense heading into that week? You think defenses came into each game worrying about Jackson hooking up with Wade, Williamson, Rice and Shiancoe? Every team has been stacking 8 in the box. And every team will continue to do so. And that's actually benefited Peterson on ocassion, because once he breaks through that initial wall it's over. That being said, I think the 3-4 of Dallas may actually give the Vikings rushing attack some problems this weekend.
 
BILLIEVE said:
Lets see what happens when teams gameplan to stop AP. There are no other threats on that team. Kind of like LT his rookie year. He's made noise, now teams will focus on him.And if you're comparing stats between LT & AP, LT gets the upper hand. Just look @ the schedule... You think AP would have the stats he does right now against the teams LT has played against? No way in hell.
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Who the hell do you think the Bears game planned to stop? Tavaris Jackson? Troy Williamson? Shiancoe?
 
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