Luck for MVP? (1 Viewer)

[packseasontix]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000105991/article/andrew-luck-gets-my-mvp-vote-for-reviving-indianapolis-colts

So what do you thing?

I am on the side that Luck is in no way close to being the MVP. He might be the ROY but should not be the MVP. While the Colts were horrible last year I would take 3-5 QBs before him if I were to start the season over today.

 

[SSOG]

The Colts' improvement is largely a result of luck- the kind with a lowercase L. They've played three teams with a winning record, and got clobbered by two of them (20 points to Chicago, 35 points to New England), eking out a 3-point win over GB in the "win one for Chuck" game. Their scoring differential on the season is -40.

 

[David Yudkin]

You can look at things a lot of ways. For example, were the Colts really that bad last year or did they put forth a marginal effort to try to land Luck? They had very little to work with at QB last year, but the season before with Peyton they were 10-6 (which they probably will be again this year given that they have to play the Texans twice).

Using this writer's opinion, what happens if the Colts limp to the finish line but the Redskins surge? At 5-11, the Redskins were nothing to write home about last year and RGIII certainly has been a big reason for WAS playing much better and winning more this season.

And those are just the two rookie QBs. There are a lot of legit MVP candidates (at least guys that are worth adding to the conversation).

As far as Luck goes, even at 8-4, the Colts have a -41 scoing differential. They have 8 wins against teams with a combined 38-58 record. They lost to the Jaguars and have 3 other losses by 20, 26, and 35 points. That's not a knock on either the Colts or Luck, but they appear to have a record better than their performance would indicate. Their expedcted record should be 5-7. It seems to me that there might be better MVP candidates than a QB with a 17 TD to 16 INT ratio and 21 total turnovers already. I give them a ton of credit for having a much better season than last year, but Luck for MVP for THIS YEAR seems a bit premature. He can earn an MVP down the road.

 

[packseasontix]

You can look at things a lot of ways. For example, were the COlts really that bad last year or did they but forth a marginal effort to try to land Luck? They had very little to work with at QB last year, but the season before with Peyton they were 10-6 (which they probably will be again this year given that they have to play the Texans twice).Using this writer's opinion, what happens if the Colts limp to the finish line but the Redskins surge? At 5-11, the Redskins were nothing to write home about last year and RGIII certainly has been a big reason for WAS playing much better and winning more this season.And those are just the two rookie QBs. There are a lot of legit MVP candidates (at least guys that are worth adding to the conversation).As far as Luck goes, even at 8-4, the Colts have a -41 scoing differential. They have 8 wins against teams with a combined 38-58 record. They lost to the Jaguars and have 3 other losses by 20, 26, and 35 points. That's not a knock on either the Colts or Luck, but they appear to have a record better than their performance would indicate. Their expedcted record should be 5-7. It seems to me that there might be better MVP candidates than a QB with a 17 TD to 16 INT ratio and 21 total turnovers already. I give them a ton of credit for having a much better season than last year, but Luck for MVP for THIS YEAR seems a bit premature. He can earn an MVP down the road.

 

[shadyridr]

Luck is gonna be among best QBs in the game very soon but hes not in the MVP discussion at all. The team hasn't played anyone good, they had a great offensive draft, and he has 21 turnovers.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

He's had a good rookie year.

Broncos would sweep the Off. MVP and Def MVP if I were voting today.

 

[donkshow]

Luck is gonna be among best QBs in the game very soon but hes not in the MVP discussion at all. The team hasn't played anyone good, they had a great offensive draft, and he has 21 turnovers.

Exactly.I'm a Colts fan and this is outrageous.

 

[shadyridr]

These are the guys I'd ranks ahead of him in the MVP discussion on the offensive side only...

Peyton

Brady

Sanchez

RG3

Rodgers

Peterson

Ryan

 

[Phlash]

These are the guys I'd ranks ahead of him in the MVP discussion on the offensive side only...PeytonBradySanchezRG3RodgersPetersonRyan

The only MVP votes Sanchez is going to receive would be for the "Most Volatile Performances" award

 

[Warrior]

The Colts' improvement is largely a result of luck- the kind with a lowercase L. They've played three teams with a winning record, and got clobbered by two of them (20 points to Chicago, 35 points to New England), eking out a 3-point win over GB in the "win one for Chuck" game. Their scoring differential on the season is -40.

 

[Ghost Rider]

No chance.

 

[pizzatyme]

As a Huge Colts fan and some would say I laughed when I saw this thread. Luck has played well, but isn't even close to MVP worthy.

Just off the top of my head, I cn think of:AP, Ryan, Petton, and Foster as much better candidates.

I fully expected to see plenty of Luck bashing in here. I wasn't disappointed.

 

[SSOG]

As a Huge Colts fan and some would say I laughed when I saw this thread. Luck has played well, but isn't even close to MVP worthy. Just off the top of my head, I cn think of:AP, Ryan, Petton, and Foster as much better candidates. I fully expected to see plenty of Luck bashing in here. I wasn't disappointed.

Foster? . Guy's looked ordinary all season, and would be as bad of a selection as Luck. If any Texan should be in the MVP discussion, it should be Duane Brown. Or if you want another RB on the list, try Jamaal Charles.

 

[buck naked]

As a Huge Colts fan and some would say I laughed when I saw this thread. Luck has played well, but isn't even close to MVP worthy. Just off the top of my head, I cn think of:AP, Ryan, Petton, and Foster as much better candidates. I fully expected to see plenty of Luck bashing in here. I wasn't disappointed.

It isn't Luck bashing, Russ. The guy is a fantastic player. He just isn't worthy of the MVP - he has what, 16 INTs?

 

[steveski]

This is a joke, right? Yes, he's a good QB and will soon be a great QB, but how can you mention him as a MVP candidate when there are many other players having record breaking years? I don't even think Luck is the ROY as of this point.

Edit:

Or if you want another RB on the list, try Jamaal Charles.

Do people win MVP because they have great talent but don't put up good numbers because of the crappy team they are on? If so, Larry Fitzgerald for MVP!

 

[Marauder]

What's even more of a joke is that Adam Shein has a vote for the MVP award. They couldn't find 50 more qualified writers than him?

 

[Assani Fisher]

After watching him bring the Colts back from the brink late in the fourth quarter, plenty of people will be more than a bit puzzled with the overall grade for quarterback Andrew Luck (-5.6). However, in a game where his best throws came late in the game, he was fortunate to not finish with six interceptions. His touchdown pass on 1st-and-10 with 2:47 left in the game to bring the Colts within one score was a thing of beauty, but too often he was caught making ill advised or just downright poor throws. On both of the final two drives of the game he should have been picked off, initially by Drayton Florence on 2nd-and-5 with 3:16 remaining. Undercutting the throw to T.Y. Hilton, Florence was unlucky to not seal the game there and then. On the final drive it was Jacob Lacey who could have won the game for the Lions had he held on to a wayward Luck pass. Forcing the ball to Reggie Wayne despite double coverage from Lacey and safety Don Carey on 2nd-and-10 with 14 second left in the game, Luck realistically shouldn’t have even had the opportunity to throw the game-winner as time expired. Fortunately for the first overall pick, people will remember this game for his two touchdown throws in the final three minutes. However, the full picture of the game highlights the work that Luck still has to do to become the finished article.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/12/03/refo-colts-lions-week-13/

I don't even think Luck is the ROY as of this point.

I know there’s a great debate going on. Three rookie quarterbacks putting their team on track to make the playoffs.

But really when you watch the tape, and you watch all 60 minutes of a game, it isn’t close. That’s not to discredit the achievements of two men, but rather to put into perspective how outstanding one man has been (and how his coaches have played to his strengths).

It’s why this Race for a Rookie of the Year is near enough done. I’m calling it now as a Race for the Runner-Up spot. Let’s see who the challengers are.

1. Robert Griffin III, QB, WAS (+28.3)

He’s already pretty special right? That wasn’t his finest performance as a Redskin, but he got the job done once again. Continues to amaze in what will surely go down as one of the greatest rookie years of all time.

2. Russell Wilson, QB, SEA (+23.1)

Lost in all the debate about RG3 and Luck is just how well Wilson has been playing. His late-game heroics against Chicago should change that. He’s currently our seventh ranked quarterback on the year.

3. Andrew Luck, QB, IND (+4.8)

I’m a little bored of all the talk of his winning record as the complete measure of a quarterback. It’s too simplistic a view to break down individual performance. You can spin it however you want, but Luck was terrible for most of the game against Detroit. Against better teams that won’t do.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/12/04/race-for-rookie-of-the-year-week-13/

 

[pizzatyme]

As a Huge Colts fan and some would say I laughed when I saw this thread. Luck has played well, but isn't even close to MVP worthy. Just off the top of my head, I cn think of:AP, Ryan, Petton, and Foster as much better candidates. I fully expected to see plenty of Luck bashing in here. I wasn't disappointed.

It isn't Luck bashing, Russ. The guy is a fantastic player. He just isn't worthy of the MVP - he has what, 16 INTs?

Oh I know. I just wanted to play the disrespected homer fan card.

 

[jon_mx]

I need to see their WAR rating before making an MVP choice.

 

[Alkahsu]

It's debatable if Luck is even gonna get ROY, he's nowhere close to MVP.