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Lynch officially on the block (1 Viewer)
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Insein
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King of the Jungle
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link?
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Heard it on Sirius/XM Fantasy Network. They reported it from the ESPN radio affiliate.They are also saying that Trent Edwards may go to the 49ers
Cawbird
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I'll go against the grain here (GB), and throw out these teams:
1. Houston - depth behind Foster and above Slaton
2. NE - Green-Ellis is the only one really worth anything right now. Sign Lynch to a multi-year contract.
3. Phi - They need depth behind McCoy, and it appears that they could be strong all season long. Make a run for it this year.
4. SD - Someone to help until Matthews is completely healthy and let Matthews come back slowly.
5. Tampa - Caddy just isn't cutting it and I think Lynch would fit well with the system and they already went to a youth movement. Lynch still has a lot of time left and you don't know what you have with Huggins or Blount.
1. Houston - depth behind Foster and above Slaton
2. NE - Green-Ellis is the only one really worth anything right now. Sign Lynch to a multi-year contract.
3. Phi - They need depth behind McCoy, and it appears that they could be strong all season long. Make a run for it this year.
4. SD - Someone to help until Matthews is completely healthy and let Matthews come back slowly.
5. Tampa - Caddy just isn't cutting it and I think Lynch would fit well with the system and they already went to a youth movement. Lynch still has a lot of time left and you don't know what you have with Huggins or Blount.
King of the Jungle
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Belichek has always spoke highly of him
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IMO Spiller isnt ready to be a full time back. Jackson ran well when he had the opportunity last year
Sammy Traveller
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Lynch is not going anywhere. Seems to be another hamhanded attempt by the Bills to shop out a player they were overpaying.
Jewell
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King of the Jungle said:
Belichick speaks glowingly about Lynch. I think the Patriots would be willing to swing a deal if the Bills were willing to trade within the division. I'm not sure why the Bills wouldn't since they obviously won't be competing for a title this year... or likely any of the years remaining in Lynch's career.
FFdork
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Is Buffalo being more realistic about his trade value now? If they haven't come off the ridiculous demands then I agree he goes nowhere.
The word was they asked for an offensive lineman PLUS something else from GB. That's crazy since Lynch was #3 on their depth chart just a few weeks ago and is probably one bonehead off-the-field move away from a lengthy suspension.
Green Bay has the biggest need, so I think Buffalo would be wise to just get the best deal they can from the Pack and call it a day. Of course that means the Buffalo 'brain trust' (cough) dealing with Ted Thompson, so all wisdom may go out the window. All that situation needs is AJ Smith in the middle of it to get really stupid.
The word was they asked for an offensive lineman PLUS something else from GB. That's crazy since Lynch was #3 on their depth chart just a few weeks ago and is probably one bonehead off-the-field move away from a lengthy suspension.
Green Bay has the biggest need, so I think Buffalo would be wise to just get the best deal they can from the Pack and call it a day. Of course that means the Buffalo 'brain trust' (cough) dealing with Ted Thompson, so all wisdom may go out the window. All that situation needs is AJ Smith in the middle of it to get really stupid.
identikit
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Report: Bills will listen to offers for Marshawn Lynch
9/28/2010 12:42:19 PM
According to Jason Wilde of 540 ESPN Milwaukee, an NFL source said Monday night that the Bills, who had rebuffed not only the Packers' advances but any team's inquiries about the availability of running back Marshawn Lych, have put out word that they will at least start listening to offers for Lynch. Whether the Packers will – or will try to – trade for Lynch before the Oct. 19 trade deadline remains to be seen.
Multiple reports in recent weeks have said that the Packers inquired about Lynch's availability, and the source confirmed Monday night that the team had indeed contacted the Bills about him, even before Lynch ran 17 times for 64 yards against the Packers last week. Recently added Dimitri Nance was among the inactives Monday night.
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9/28/2010 12:42:19 PM
According to Jason Wilde of 540 ESPN Milwaukee, an NFL source said Monday night that the Bills, who had rebuffed not only the Packers' advances but any team's inquiries about the availability of running back Marshawn Lych, have put out word that they will at least start listening to offers for Lynch. Whether the Packers will – or will try to – trade for Lynch before the Oct. 19 trade deadline remains to be seen.
Multiple reports in recent weeks have said that the Packers inquired about Lynch's availability, and the source confirmed Monday night that the team had indeed contacted the Bills about him, even before Lynch ran 17 times for 64 yards against the Packers last week. Recently added Dimitri Nance was among the inactives Monday night.
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I don't think he goes anywhere. His salary is only like $630K, and he looks to be the best back on their roster right now. If I'm Buffalo right now, the only way I'd trade him to Green Bay is if they were really going to over pay to get him. Buffalo has no incentive to trade him away for peanuts. If Green Bay want's him it would cost them and the price will be steep, thus me thinking it won't get done.
David Yudkin
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I still think the Bills are holding out hope that they get an offer that blows them away, but I'm not sure that they will get one.
Maroney got traded last week for 4th round pick and a swap of 6th round picks. Is Lynch worth way more than Maroney at this point?
Maroney got traded last week for 4th round pick and a swap of 6th round picks. Is Lynch worth way more than Maroney at this point?
zoonation
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I'd say he is worth more for sure...way more? Depends how you define it I guess..
I think if he is traded it is only to the Pack.
I still think the trade almost makes too much sense not to happen.
From Bills perspective
- they are 0-3 and clearly won't make the playoffs this year with the mess they have QB
- Fred Jackson has proven he can do a good job with an expanded role
- they are heavily invested in Spiller and his role will only increase as the season proceeds
- Lynch's value is a lot higher right now than it was at the beginning of the year
For Packs perspective
- the Pack are Super Bowl contenders this year and are woefully thin at RB
- Lynch could be more than just a rental for them. He could be their lead back for years to come.
- Lynch has a low salary
- The organization has always liked Lynch and would have drafted him in the first round
I don't see how the Pack don't offer at least a 2nd round pick for a running back who could be their guy for the next 5 or so years.
I still think the trade almost makes too much sense not to happen.
From Bills perspective
- they are 0-3 and clearly won't make the playoffs this year with the mess they have QB
- Fred Jackson has proven he can do a good job with an expanded role
- they are heavily invested in Spiller and his role will only increase as the season proceeds
- Lynch's value is a lot higher right now than it was at the beginning of the year
For Packs perspective
- the Pack are Super Bowl contenders this year and are woefully thin at RB
- Lynch could be more than just a rental for them. He could be their lead back for years to come.
- Lynch has a low salary
- The organization has always liked Lynch and would have drafted him in the first round
I don't see how the Pack don't offer at least a 2nd round pick for a running back who could be their guy for the next 5 or so years.
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David Yudkin
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IIRC, they were getting offers for a 4th rounder earlier in the year and they passed. That would have been more than the Pats got for Maroney, and the Bills would probably keep him for that.
Great point. I thought that was a lot for Maroney. I remember when the Seahawks tried to trade SA and didn't even get an offer. RBs are a dime a dozen. So lets figure a 3rd for Lynch. I'm not sure he's worth a 3rd and I'm not sure the Pats would give a 3rd. Maybe the Packers because they really need some sort of running game. If the Bills want a 2nd, he's not going anywhere. The Bills are the ones who drafted Spiller to replace Lynch, so it's hard for them to sell Lynch when the Bills burned a 1st to replace him. So if Lynch wasn't good enough for the Bills I'm not sure how they can convince someone else Lynch is an amazing talent worthy of a high pick. The Bills are turning into the Raiders. Anyone leaving probably sees a big bump because the Bills are so poorly run. If Lynch was on the Pats he's an easy 1,000/8 guy with upside for more. But if you look how bad the Pats D has been I'm not sure they can give away draft picks to load up on offense.
Agreed. If the Pack doesn't get this done then they are crazy. They would deserve to watch the Super Bowl on TV just like me.
They wouldn't give up a 3rd round pick for a guy who would be their main running back for possibly 5 years?They wouldn't give up a 3rd round pick for a guy who is underpaid and has proven himself to be a capable NFL workhorse when they are woefully thin at RB and they are Super Bowl contenders?Please!!!! I guarantee you the Pack would give up a 3rd round pick for Lynch. Probably more.
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FFdork
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That makes sense if Buffalo really has long term plans for Lynch. Until 2 weeks ago (coincidentally when it started to look like there was a decent market for him), Lynch looked like the odd man out in Buffalo's backfield.Nobody is going to overpay for a guy that has had some problems staying out of trouble and can't consistently hold on to his starting job...in Buffalo.
I don't think a low third to fourth round pick is "peanuts." Especially since he has been an afterthought for Buffalo for the better part of a year. Who knows what the realistic market is since multiple teams could be interested, but it seems like it's in the Bill's best interest to take the best offer and move him while there is a market.
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A 2nd round pick is a really really high pick. 2nd round picks are the core of your team. You get low 1st round talent guys for 1/4 the price. I've seen a few times where the Pats said they like 2nd round picks more then 1st round picks. 1st round picks are a huge investment. 2nd round picks are 1/4 the price and comparable talent. I just don't see them burning a 2nd for a backup RB. Like I said in my last post, if Lynch is so good why did they burn a 1st drafting Spiller? If Lynch was a 2nd round RB talent, they wouldn't have drafted Spiller. The Bills should have dealt Lynch BEFORE the draft. Because now they have basically said Lynch isn't a good NFL starting RB and now they have no leverage. And you still think they can get a 2nd? No way.
theplayer11
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absolutely....Maroney sucks, he's a dancer
FFdork
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If the conditional part is "Packers win Superbowl," I agree. Otherwise I don't think any teams will go for that. OK, Dan Snyder might, but probably not anyone else.
For sure he is worth more than Maroney.
theplayer11
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not for those that have him on their fantasy teams
David Yudkin
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Career ypc:Maroney 4.1, Lynch 4.0Seems pretty even to me . . .
Lynch could be part of the core of the Pack for the next 5 years if they get him. He certainly wouldn't be a backup on the Pack. He is still a pretty young guy who hasn't been overused yet so he should have a lot left in the tank. The Pack were willing to make him their 1st Round pick just a few years ago. Also, the Pack figure to be one of the top teams this year so their 2nd round pick figures to be in the late stages of the 2nd round. Perhaps in the late 50's or early 60's overall.
Brady vs Losman/Edwards.One of the best offenses EVER vs the Bills offense.Seems very even.Lets pull YPC from a RB on an elite team and compare to the a RB on one of the worst teams in the NFL. Seriously?
Difference. Maroney played on the Pats where teams probably focused a little bit more on a guy named Brady than they did on Maroney. Lynch has played on Buffalo where people don't haven't had to worry about their passing game for years. Apples and Oranges. Lynch is proven back who hasn't health issues like Maroney and has proven to a capable lead back. Maroney failed as a lead back and is always hurt.
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wiscstlatlmia
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This... if anyone watched the game last night then its clear which team needs an rb the most... but the thing is the organization doesnt usually go for any free agents(none in the last three years). so if they dont even pick up free agents then then a trade seems even more unlikely... although it makes sense its probably not going to happen.
sho nuff
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This is Chillar's 3rd year.They don't pick up FAs much.Trades...maybe not this high of a profile...but that is how Grant was brought in...they did go after trades for Moss and Gonzalez.They have kicked the tires on Lynch...but it seemed Buff wanted quite a bit at the time. Wondering if they have backed off any.
this is clearly the issue. Terrible personal fouls, terrible pass interferences, terrible offsides, undisciplined special teams play. Running back was the least of the worries.
howardroark
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i agree that they made a lot of mental mistakes, but you are playing dumb if you dont think they have a running back problem. Kuhn is a fullback and Jackson is a change of pace guy. They arent starters/grinders. They just aren't. It might not be taking a toll on the Rodgers and the Offensive line right now but later in the year it is going to burn them and wear them out. Offensive lines get beat down if they are asked to overly compensate on pass D than Run D. Just a thought.
Saying that RB is the least of the team's worries is absolutely false. It is probably their main weakness.
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Kitrick Taylor
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Usually love your stuff Yudkin. This one not so much. Patriots have had one of the best offenses in the league since Lynch & Maroney came into the league. The Bills have been remarkably inept during that span. Maroney got to take handoffs from Tom Brady, (and one year of Matt Cassel.) Lynch has had JP Losman, Trent Edwards, Brian Brohm and Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB. Not even an apples to oranges comparison. I think this Lynch to GB trade might actually happen. Thompson has long been a fan of Lynch, and he's certainly shown a propensity for sticking with "his guys". He gave Koren Robinson another shot etc. Also Aaron Rodgers played with Lynch in 2004 at Cal. I don't think Thompson would part with a 2nd, but a 3rd seems a likely compromise. Lynch is also under contract in 2011 for 1.14 Million.
Last nights game is irrelevent. The Pack should have won that game but just shot themselves in the foot.But it doesn't change the fact that Brandon Jackson is not the answer as the lead back and neither is Kuhn or Nance. Nance was so bad in practice last week they couldn't even justify activating him this week.
The Pack are thin at RB and probably aren't expecting Grant to be in their longterm plans after this years injury and his contract situation. That means the Pack need a new lead back for years to come and that guy isn't currently on their roster. They could address it in the draft next year or they could address with Lynch now.
If they weren't Super Bowl contenders it might make sense to wait but they are Super Bowl contenders and why wait and develop a running back later when they could land a guy who is ready to go now and potentially for years to come.
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David Yudkin
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I think Maroney gets a bum rap sometimes. In games when he played and was used as a true lead back, he was pretty darn good.In 21 games with 15 or more carries, he put up:396 carries, 4.7 ypc, 1847 rushing yards, 16 TD.I realize NE is way better than BUF, but those are still decent numbers.By comparison, Lynch in 27 games with 15+ carries has put up:539 carries, 4.0 ypc, 2187 rushing yards, 15 TD.howardroark said:
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sho nuff
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They do need more on the RB front...but very few RBs out there would have gotten much out of the blocking last night.Run blocking/Oline is their main weakness.
Not RB.
He can't stay healthy
