Lynch officially on the block (1 Viewer)

[Athletic Supporter]

As a , I hope that Lynch infact is NOT traded. Sending Jackson for whatever you can get for him seems to be the better play. Lynch and Spiller going forward would be an awesome tandem in the backfield. With Lynch's salary, they don't need to move him. He's young and already proven he can get the job done.

I realize on a fantasy football message board, full of guys who have him on their rosters, that's the last thing they want to hear. But from an NFL perspective, what exactly is the motivation to move him, especially if he isn't going to net you what you need to get for him?

 

[Pipes]

Ted Thompson has been VERY reluctant to part with top draft picks in trades. T

That is undeniably true. One thing that might be different here however is the grade they put on Lynch. He's been in the league a few years so GB's perspective might have negatively changed but it was reported a few weeks ago that the Packers were going to select him at #16 but the Bills took him before they had the chance. They brought him in, interviewed him, and this report suggested they liked him and thought he was bright. So I don't know how much their perception of Lynch changed but it not so much you can get him for this year and next at less than $2million combined for both years for what would probably be a second round pick in the late 20's. To me it's a no brainer but that means nothing.

Thompson does like Lynch and I agree it's a no-brainer. But Thompson hates to part with top draft picks in trades for players.

A 3rd round pick isnt going to land you a starting rb. Brandon Jackson was a 2nd round pic. Even the ben tates, hardesty's of the world go in rd2?? Hell, if i ran my fantasy teams like these people i would be out of bussiness....

No but a 3rd round pick was all it took to get the greatest TE ever....Jermichael FinleySeriously though I think if that's all Buffalo wanted this trade would've happened by now. I suspect Thompson would drop a 3rd rounder in a heartbeat for a guy he was planning to draft in the 1st round just a couple of seasons ago, especially with the need they have at RB.

 

[CrossEyed]

With all of the busts in the NFL drafts, I'm not sure why GMs aren't more willing to give up draft picks for guys who have proven they can get the job done at the NFL level.

 

[gary mexico]

Its too bad New England parted with a 4th round pick when they traded for Randy Moss. They could have gotten a backup guard with that pick if they hadnt.....

 

[Louisville Slugger]

With all of the busts in the NFL drafts, I'm not sure why GMs aren't more willing to give up draft picks for guys who have proven they can get the job done at the NFL level.

I couldn't agree with you more. To me it's stupidity for a team that is so close like the Packers to not part with a draft choice to get a rb of this caliber while Grant is out.

 

[sho nuff]

Its too bad New England parted with a 4th round pick when they traded for Randy Moss. They could have gotten a backup guard with that pick if they hadnt.....

Care to show where Buffalo is willing to give up Lynch for a 4th rounder.Some of you keep talking like they would just take a 3rd or a 4th.When not long ago they were refusing to give him up for a 4th and there has been no indication that their asking price has lowered to that point yet.

 

[David Yudkin]

Its too bad New England parted with a 4th round pick when they traded for Randy Moss. They could have gotten a backup guard with that pick if they hadnt.....

Care to show where Buffalo is willing to give up Lynch for a 4th rounder.Some of you keep talking like they would just take a 3rd or a 4th.When not long ago they were refusing to give him up for a 4th and there has been no indication that their asking price has lowered to that point yet.

I think many of us are saying the same thing but are debating nothing more than semantics. It has been reported that the Bills were offered a 3rd round pick during the draft for Lynch and theydeclined. They may be holding out for a 2nd rounder. But generally speaking, RBs don't have nearly as much trade value as they do in fantasy football.While Lynch may very well be a better back than Maroney (and maybe a fair amount better), Maroney got shipped out with a 6th roound pick for a 4th rounder. There seems to always be a bunch of RBs available for trade but very few ever get moved. I remember Corey Dillon going to the Pats for a 2nd rounder. Portis going to the Redskins for Champ Bailey and a 2nd. Faulk to the Rams for a 2nd and a 5th. Ricky Williams to the Dolphins for 1st and a 3rd. One of the worst trades ever was the Saints trading all there draft picks from one year and a 1st and a 3rd to draft Williams (8 total picks). Guys like Edge and Alexander were on the market for quite awhile and never got traded.Overall, though, the market has been soft in recent years for RB trades and trade value . . .

 

[Insein]

With all of the busts in the NFL drafts, I'm not sure why GMs aren't more willing to give up draft picks for guys who have proven they can get the job done at the NFL level.

I couldn't agree with you more. To me it's stupidity for a team that is so close like the Packers to not part with a draft choice to get a rb of this caliber while Grant is out.

$$$ and upside. If these guys are confident then they think they can land great talent in the 3rd round. But really, rookies are dirt cheap if they aren't drafted in the top 10ish. If you build through the draft then you'll have money to invest in free agents and there are usually quite a few RBs available on the cheap in the offseason. But if you trade for Lynch and he blows up this year and demands a huge salary next year then you are in a pickle.That being said, I really, really want this trade to happen. I targeted Lynch late in every league just hoping for some miracle like him landing on a high powered offense like GB. With it looking more and more imminent that a trade happens (well, it sure looked imminent in the preseason, too) I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas. Is he going to go to GB (new bicycle) or is he going to go to Tampa (pair of socks) or is he going to stay in Buffalo (stocking full of coal)?

What an awesome analogy.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

As a , I hope that Lynch infact is NOT traded. Sending Jackson for whatever you can get for him seems to be the better play. Lynch and Spiller going forward would be an awesome tandem in the backfield. With Lynch's salary, they don't need to move him. He's young and already proven he can get the job done.I realize on a fantasy football message board, full of guys who have him on their rosters, that's the last thing they want to hear. But from an NFL perspective, what exactly is the motivation to move him, especially if he isn't going to net you what you need to get for him?

Because the only way this team is getting better is by bringing in lots of youth. You get youth from the draft.

 

[GoBills02]

As a , I hope that Lynch infact is NOT traded. Sending Jackson for whatever you can get for him seems to be the better play. Lynch and Spiller going forward would be an awesome tandem in the backfield. With Lynch's salary, they don't need to move him. He's young and already proven he can get the job done.I realize on a fantasy football message board, full of guys who have him on their rosters, that's the last thing they want to hear. But from an NFL perspective, what exactly is the motivation to move him, especially if he isn't going to net you what you need to get for him?

 

[basher]

As a , I hope that Lynch infact is NOT traded. Sending Jackson for whatever you can get for him seems to be the better play. Lynch and Spiller going forward would be an awesome tandem in the backfield. With Lynch's salary, they don't need to move him. He's young and already proven he can get the job done.I realize on a fantasy football message board, full of guys who have him on their rosters, that's the last thing they want to hear. But from an NFL perspective, what exactly is the motivation to move him, especially if he isn't going to net you what you need to get for him?

Here is the one thing I didn't understand ... why does the team have to trade Lynch just because Spiller is there? Maybe the Bills didn't draft Spiller to be an every down back? We keep having fantasy football and regular football types imposing a "Chris Johnson can do it" attitude when it comes to a guy of Spiller's stature and more obviously Jamaal Charles. I don't see why it wouldn't be in the best interest of these teams to have a guy on the roster who can handle the grinding portions of the NFL ... even better is having a guy who can grind with upside (IE: Lynch)

 

[gary mexico]

As a , I hope that Lynch infact is NOT traded. Sending Jackson for whatever you can get for him seems to be the better play. Lynch and Spiller going forward would be an awesome tandem in the backfield. With Lynch's salary, they don't need to move him. He's young and already proven he can get the job done.I realize on a fantasy football message board, full of guys who have him on their rosters, that's the last thing they want to hear. But from an NFL perspective, what exactly is the motivation to move him, especially if he isn't going to net you what you need to get for him?

Here is the one thing I didn't understand ... why does the team have to trade Lynch just because Spiller is there? Maybe the Bills didn't draft Spiller to be an every down back? We keep having fantasy football and regular football types imposing a "Chris Johnson can do it" attitude when it comes to a guy of Spiller's stature and more obviously Jamaal Charles. I don't see why it wouldn't be in the best interest of these teams to have a guy on the roster who can handle the grinding portions of the NFL ... even better is having a guy who can grind with upside (IE: Lynch)

What i dont understand is why you would draft someone in the 1st round (9th overall) to be a part time player? How do some of these GM's have jobs??

 

[FreeBaGeL]

As a , I hope that Lynch infact is NOT traded. Sending Jackson for whatever you can get for him seems to be the better play. Lynch and Spiller going forward would be an awesome tandem in the backfield. With Lynch's salary, they don't need to move him. He's young and already proven he can get the job done.I realize on a fantasy football message board, full of guys who have him on their rosters, that's the last thing they want to hear. But from an NFL perspective, what exactly is the motivation to move him, especially if he isn't going to net you what you need to get for him?

Because the only way this team is getting better is by bringing in lots of youth. You get youth from the draft.

You also get youth from....youth.Hint: Lynch is young.

 

[BoltBacker]

As a , I hope that Lynch infact is NOT traded. Sending Jackson for whatever you can get for him seems to be the better play. Lynch and Spiller going forward would be an awesome tandem in the backfield. With Lynch's salary, they don't need to move him. He's young and already proven he can get the job done.I realize on a fantasy football message board, full of guys who have him on their rosters, that's the last thing they want to hear. But from an NFL perspective, what exactly is the motivation to move him, especially if he isn't going to net you what you need to get for him?

Here is the one thing I didn't understand ... why does the team have to trade Lynch just because Spiller is there? Maybe the Bills didn't draft Spiller to be an every down back? We keep having fantasy football and regular football types imposing a "Chris Johnson can do it" attitude when it comes to a guy of Spiller's stature and more obviously Jamaal Charles. I don't see why it wouldn't be in the best interest of these teams to have a guy on the roster who can handle the grinding portions of the NFL ... even better is having a guy who can grind with upside (IE: Lynch)

What i dont understand is why you would draft someone in the 1st round (9th overall) to be a part time player? How do some of these GM's have jobs??

... and yet every year someone stand up and points out how silly we, the mere fans, are for criticizing decisions made on draft day by an NFL front office. "You are sitting on your couch while they have been studying Anthony Becht film for HOURS upon HOURS!"

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

With all of the busts in the NFL drafts, I'm not sure why GMs aren't more willing to give up draft picks for guys who have proven they can get the job done at the NFL level.

I couldn't agree with you more. To me it's stupidity for a team that is so close like the Packers to not part with a draft choice to get a rb of this caliber while Grant is out.

I couldn't agree with both of you more... Picks are a huge risk. Lynch is a proven young player. It's a no-brainer to me.That said, I still hope they keep Lynch. He's worth more than a 3rd in my opinion, especially considering the Bills' drafting abilities. Perhaps it could be a conditional 3rd round pick. The condition being that the Packers have to make the selection, then the Bills get the player.

 

[HoTnickZ]

I can see why they don't. In an offense like Green Bay, they feel the odds aren't that long that someone like Nance or Kuhn or Starks can step in and be the next Ryan Grant. Especially if the price is a draft pick AND a position player. Besides they might feel Lynch is no sure thing either.

 

[David Yudkin]

I can see why they don't. In an offense like Green Bay, they feel the odds aren't that long that someone like Nance or Kuhn or Starks can step in and be the next Ryan Grant. Especially if the price is a draft pick AND a position player. Besides they might feel Lynch is no sure thing either.

I think the issue somewhat getting glossed over here is that Lynch is a heartbeat away from getting a lengthy suspension given his personal conduct problems in the past. Someone trading a first day pick could end up with a player that hardly plays this year if he had another incident. I'm not suggesting that he would do anything again, but it should be a consideration for other GMs.

 

[qimqam]

A 3rd round pick isnt going to land you a starting rb.

Mike Shannahan disagrees with you, hell even Carl Peterson and Herminator disagree.

Every now and then it does. Odds are it doesnt. To not part with a 3rd round pick for a young starting rb only to watch this moron draft a backup rb again in rd2 is absurd...sorry, value is still value....

I think he should pull the trigger as well, but just for fun I checked it out.

I realize it's an early sample, but of the top 30 fantasy backs in my league this year the following were taken after round 2:

Arian Foster - UDFA

Peyton Hillis - 7th round

Jason Snelling - 7th round

Jamaal Charles - 3rd round

Ahmad Bradshaw - 7th round

Tim Hightower - 5th round

Pierre Thomas - UDFA

Michael Turner - 5th round

Mike Tolbert - UDFA

Justin Forsett - 7th round

BJGE - UDFA

So that's roughly 30% of the top 30.

And all NFL teams are looking for a top 30 Fantasy RB

 

[basher]

What i dont understand is why you would draft someone in the 1st round (9th overall) to be a part time player? How do some of these GM's have jobs??

Well the part time player you are talking about can be utilized in other facets of the game (IE: Spiller has the talents to not be hamstrung lined up behind the QB ... he is a return man and a player you can create special sets for). Also, something that is abundantly clear to NFL types as well as Fantasy Football types is that running backs don't have a long shelf life mostly because they are run into the ground. Having multiple quality backs is proving to be more of an asset then a detriment. In the case of the Chiefs ... Charles is spared the grind of the NFL run game and allowed to do what he does best. I could definitely see the Bills treating Lynch/Spiller in the same light. Also, some teams approach the first round of the NFL draft as a best player available situation. It may lead to some depth chart log jams but the Bills are a talent poor team that really isn't in a position to pick "need" unless the need coincides with the best player available (IE: when they are in a good position next Draft to take a big armed QB like Mallett ... someone who can throw in Buffalo)

 

[David Yudkin]

Also, something that is abundantly clear to NFL types as well as Fantasy Football types is that running backs don't have a long shelf life mostly because they are run into the ground. Having multiple quality backs is proving to be more of an asset then a detriment.

This would probably be an interesting thread topic in and of itself, but utilizing multiple backs was en vogue a lot in other eras (specifically in the 70s as one that jumps out at me). I don't remember those guys staying any fresher, not getting banged up, or having any longer careers even though they shared the load.By comparision, there have been a number of heavy workload backs in the past 20 years that put on a zillion miles on their treads and still kept churning out decent numbers.IMO, teams would love to have a work horse back that could do it all and get 400 touches a year like LT has been able to do for the most part. But not many backs have the skill set, talent, and body type to keep getting fed the ball week in and week out and stay healthy and productive on top of it.Spiller may at some point evolve into a much bigger workload, but for now they have opted to use him in a variety of ways. Clearly it's next to impossible to decide a player's entire future career on the basis of his first three games.

 

[basher]

Also, something that is abundantly clear to NFL types as well as Fantasy Football types is that running backs don't have a long shelf life mostly because they are run into the ground. Having multiple quality backs is proving to be more of an asset then a detriment.

This would probably be an interesting thread topic in and of itself, but utilizing multiple backs was en vogue a lot in other eras (specifically in the 70s as one that jumps out at me). I don't remember those guys staying any fresher, not getting banged up, or having any longer careers even though they shared the load.By comparision, there have been a number of heavy workload backs in the past 20 years that put on a zillion miles on their treads and still kept churning out decent numbers.IMO, teams would love to have a work horse back that could do it all and get 400 touches a year like LT has been able to do for the most part. But not many backs have the skill set, talent, and body type to keep getting fed the ball week in and week out and stay healthy and productive on top of it.Spiller may at some point evolve into a much bigger workload, but for now they have opted to use him in a variety of ways. Clearly it's next to impossible to decide a player's entire future career on the basis of his first three games.

It would be an interesting subject to look into. I would think add longevity to a career could be negotiable but there would be without a whole lot of doubt a short term benefit of keeping players fresh/active/efficient within an individual season.

 

[watsonrm]

What i dont understand is why you would draft someone in the 1st round (9th overall) to be a part time player? How do some of these GM's have jobs??

Mr Mexico? Reggie Bush is on line 1. The Saints won a Super Bowl, and Mickey Loomis of the Saints is considered one of the better GMs in the league. I'm sure the Saints would love him to be an every down back, but they didn't draft him for that and have really never tried to use him that way.

 

[packersfan]

What i dont understand is why you would draft someone in the 1st round (9th overall) to be a part time player? How do some of these GM's have jobs??

Mr Mexico? Reggie Bush is on line 1. The Saints won a Super Bowl, and Mickey Loomis of the Saints is considered one of the better GMs in the league. I'm sure the Saints would love him to be an every down back, but they didn't draft him for that and have really never tried to use him that way.

Bush typically gets more snaps than any other Saints RB each week when healthy. People confuse touches with impact because we're all in fantasy leagues and nobody gets points for just being on the field. But while Bush isn't a "feature" back by typical standards his value to the Saints is immense and he's more than just a part-time player. He's on the field constantly and the way the Saints utilize him is a critical element in their offense. While I agree that you typically want a Top 10 RB draft pick (or No. 2 in Bush's case) to be a 20+ carry per game player the fact Bush isn't shouldn't necessarily relegate him to being viewed as a part-time player in my opinion when you consider how many snaps he plays and the impact his presence makes on the Saints' offensive scheme.

 

[Insein]

With all of the busts in the NFL drafts, I'm not sure why GMs aren't more willing to give up draft picks for guys who have proven they can get the job done at the NFL level.

I couldn't agree with you more. To me it's stupidity for a team that is so close like the Packers to not part with a draft choice to get a rb of this caliber while Grant is out.

I couldn't agree with both of you more... Picks are a huge risk. Lynch is a proven young player. It's a no-brainer to me.That said, I still hope they keep Lynch. He's worth more than a 3rd in my opinion, especially considering the Bills' drafting abilities. Perhaps it could be a conditional 3rd round pick. The condition being that the Packers have to make the selection, then the Bills get the player.

HA! That would be hillarious... but truely they should ask for it.