M Barber holdout... (1 Viewer)

[Black]

From Fanball.com:

Barber has refused to sign the team's one-year, $2.562 million tender and is now using the typical forms of persuasion agent Drew Rosenhaus would suggest.

Now, how smart does it seem (insert sarcasm here) when your complimentary back doesn't have a #1RB to compliment?I thought the argument that Dallas took FJones over Mendenhall b/c Felix was a better compliment to Barber was downright stupid. So, what now?

 

[jurb26]

Theres a long way to go before the season starts. Barber will sign.

 

[KellysHeroes]

MBIII hasn't made enough to sit out

 

[Tyrion]

From Fanball.com:

Barber has refused to sign the team's one-year, $2.562 million tender and is now using the typical forms of persuasion agent Drew Rosenhaus would suggest.

Now, how smart does it seem (insert sarcasm here) when your complimentary back doesn't have a #1RB to compliment?I thought the argument that Dallas took FJones over Mendenhall b/c Felix was a better compliment to Barber was downright stupid. So, what now?

Dallas has a Choice so Barber will sign.

 

[DarabZarrabi]

He may actually hold out...his physical style is not conducive to a long career...he knows the Cowboys want to make a run at it this year and he is going to be very important in that quest

 

[Chachi]

From Fanball.com:

Barber has refused to sign the team's one-year, $2.562 million tender and is now using the typical forms of persuasion agent Drew Rosenhaus would suggest.

Now, how smart does it seem (insert sarcasm here) when your complimentary back doesn't have a #1RB to compliment?I thought the argument that Dallas took FJones over Mendenhall b/c Felix was a better compliment to Barber was downright stupid.

So, what now?

Dallas has a Choice so Barber will sign.

Catchy, and I get your drift.

 

[Mustang Man]

It's May

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

Very interesting drift too. I just know some of them later rounders are gonna be jackpots. Possibly higher value then even every ones unamious big 8. Hightower, Hester, Choice, Slaton, Hart, Brown, Parmelee, Slaton, Smidt, Thomas..... list goes on and on. I am stacking up second rounders for a reason!

It's all about opportunity! I think Barber will realize this at some point of time and sign.

 

[switz]

Now, how smart does it seem (insert sarcasm here) when your complimentary back doesn't have a #1RB to compliment?

Felix can be a fulltime back. The Cowboys have said that a number of times. Especially in a pass first offense, he can flourish.If they need a grinder, they can use Choice, or bring in Alexander, which they will do after June 1 if Barber hasn't signed, mark my words.However, if Barber doesn't sign, they can change their tender to the lowest. He will remain an RFA until he plays a season for them.They have nothing to lose. Barber is an idiot if he thinks he's worth big money.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Now, how smart does it seem (insert sarcasm here) when your complimentary back doesn't have a #1RB to compliment?

Felix can be a fulltime back. The Cowboys have said that a number of times. Especially in a pass first offense, he can flourish.If they need a grinder, they can use Choice, or bring in Alexander, which they will do after June 1 if Barber hasn't signed, mark my words.However, if Barber doesn't sign, they can change their tender to the lowest. He will remain an RFA until he plays a season for them.They have nothing to lose. Barber is an idiot if he thinks he's worth big money.

With so many FA RBs out there, two rookie RBs, Barber doesn't have all of the bargaining power that the OP suggests. Also, fwiw, Barber was once a complimentary back. Just because a back is a complement doesn't mean that they can't shoulder the load with that skillset as well.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Mendenhall hasn't gotten off to such a thrilling start so I don't know why the OP would use that as an example...he pulled a hammy the 1st practice.

I like Felix Jones in the Dallas offense, MB III will sign no matter what, and I think he would be wise to probably take the $30 million contract Dallas was kicking around for him...but he wants $50 million so the two sides are way off.

What is Barber worth? 4 years $30 million with a $8 million signing bonus, $15 million in gaurantees...that's what I would be offering as a GM. Shelf life for RB just is not very long, sorry. If LT got $50 million whenever that was...

 

[Captain_Apocalypse]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Barber isn't really holding out is he? There haven't been any "mandatory" camps yet? He is just posturing as if he COULD hold out. I agree that he is an idiot if he does, but I get the feeling he will sign, try to prove he is worth big bucks and go somewhere else next season for his mondo payday. Anyway, that seems to be rosenhouses tactic IMO. Personally I think he should just sign and show he is a team player, but in this day and age I guess this is what happens. Honestly I can't blame him for wanting a big payday. He knows there won't be many opportunities and I doubt many of us would do much different if we were in his shoes. I'm sure his agent is "coaching" him on this too. At least he hasn't opened his mouth about it.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Barber is top 5 talent... but $50M is a little high. $30M in 4 yrs, 8M Bonus; thats very decent contract. He would still be in line for another payday at 29 too.

 

[switz]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Barber isn't really holding out is he? There haven't been any "mandatory" camps yet? He is just posturing as if he COULD hold out. I agree that he is an idiot if he does, but I get the feeling he will sign, try to prove he is worth big bucks and go somewhere else next season for his mondo payday. Anyway, that seems to be rosenhouses tactic IMO. Personally I think he should just sign and show he is a team player, but in this day and age I guess this is what happens. Honestly I can't blame him for wanting a big payday. He knows there won't be many opportunities and I doubt many of us would do much different if we were in his shoes. I'm sure his agent is "coaching" him on this too. At least he hasn't opened his mouth about it.

Nothing the team can fine him for missing, if that's what you mean by mandatory. But the only two players missing were Hamlin and Barber, both tagged, both unhappy.I do agree - obviously a player has to push to get his money when the opportunity presents itself. I don't have a problem with what Barber is doing from that angle. He just doesn't have much leverage.

IMO Hamlin is more needed than Barber, and is worth more on the market.

This is a nice read on it. Note that Jerry feels Barber is "a big part of [the Cowboys] future" but he needs "to get it done in a way that is good for [his] team. That's not a negotiating ploy, that's just a fact."

The Cowboys will do everything to sign him, but they won't give him big money.

 

[Captain_Apocalypse]

Now, how smart does it seem (insert sarcasm here) when your complimentary back doesn't have a #1RB to compliment?

Felix can be a fulltime back. The Cowboys have said that a number of times. Especially in a pass first offense, he can flourish.If they need a grinder, they can use Choice, or bring in Alexander, which they will do after June 1 if Barber hasn't signed, mark my words.

However, if Barber doesn't sign, they can change their tender to the lowest. He will remain an RFA until he plays a season for them.

They have nothing to lose. Barber is an idiot if he thinks he's worth big money.

So I am curious, if they do lower his tender then he can shop himself to another team with less compensation to the cowboys? Would that be enticing to another team at this point? Would there be any interest? If so, from who? Is it realistic for him to get a lower tender? If he got a good deal somewhere else would the cowboys match? what do people think?

 

[switz]

Now, how smart does it seem (insert sarcasm here) when your complimentary back doesn't have a #1RB to compliment?

Felix can be a fulltime back. The Cowboys have said that a number of times. Especially in a pass first offense, he can flourish.If they need a grinder, they can use Choice, or bring in Alexander, which they will do after June 1 if Barber hasn't signed, mark my words.

However, if Barber doesn't sign, they can change their tender to the lowest. He will remain an RFA until he plays a season for them.

They have nothing to lose. Barber is an idiot if he thinks he's worth big money.

So I am curious, if they do lower his tender then he can shop himself to another team with less compensation to the cowboys? Would that be enticing to another team at this point? Would there be any interest? If so, from who? Is it realistic for him to get a lower tender? If he got a good deal somewhere else would the cowboys match? what do people think?

Edited after looking up info on this question:

The club may NOT sign the tagged player to a long-term contract after July 14. That is, the team has until July 14 to sign the tagged player to a long-term contract; afterwards the player may sign only a one-year contract with his prior team, and the contract may not be extended until after the last regular season game.

A prior team has until June 1 to tender an UFA or a RFA a qualifying offer (worth at least 110% of the salary of the final year of the contract with the prior team). In the case of UFAs, if such an offer is made, the player has until July 22 to sign with a DIFFERENT club. If he doesn't, then the only team that the player can sign with after July 22, is the prior club.

So, if they lower it, yes he can negotiate with another club until July 22nd, but if he wants a long term contract with the Cowboys, it needs to be done by July 14th.

 

[Topes]

Glad you picked a 'complimentary' back, Dallas?

It's actually complementary.As in...

Felix Jones will serve as a great complement to Tashard Choice.

 

[switz]

Glad you picked a 'complimentary' back, Dallas?

It's actually complementary.As in...

Felix JonesTashard Choice will serve as a great complement to Tashard ChoicesFelix Jones.

Fixed. If it were just Felix and Choice at RB, Choice would only be used for short yardage situations. But I believe if Barber continues to a real holdout, they'll bring in Shaun Alexander.

 

[Phurfur]

Now, how smart does it seem (insert sarcasm here) when your complimentary back doesn't have a #1RB to compliment?

Felix can be a fulltime back. The Cowboys have said that a number of times. Especially in a pass first offense, he can flourish.If they need a grinder, they can use Choice, or bring in Alexander, which they will do after June 1 if Barber hasn't signed, mark my words.However, if Barber doesn't sign, they can change their tender to the lowest. He will remain an RFA until he plays a season for them.They have nothing to lose. Barber is an idiot if he thinks he's worth big money.

This is just the beginning for Dallas. It comes with having 13 Pro-Bowlers on your team. Most of them will be looking for more money a some point in the near future. Pony up JJ he's a Pro-Bowler.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

If it were just Felix and Choice at RB, Choice would only be used for short yardage situations.

This is absolutely incorrect. Dallas did not draft Choice to be a short yardage RB.Choice is NOT a short yardage RB. He is an every down RB who has carried the ballover 550 times in his last 2 seasons a Georgia Tech.If MB3 holds out or moves on, Choice will share the load with Felix Jones, without question. .

 

[slayer666]

MBIII hasn't made enough to sit out

Exactly.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

The Cowboys will do everything to sign him, but they won't give him big money.

So they'll do everything except give him what he wants?

 

[Captain_Apocalypse]

Glad you picked a 'complimentary' back, Dallas?

It's actually complementary.As in...

Felix JonesTashard Choice will serve as a great complement to Tashard ChoicesFelix Jones.

Fixed. If it were just Felix and Choice at RB, Choice would only be used for short yardage situations. But I believe if Barber continues to a real holdout, they'll bring in Shaun Alexander.

Personally I would find this hilarious. It's like Dallas and the 'hawks trading players at the same position. And I'm not sure who gets the better deal on that one.

 

[kethnaab]

I'm still trying to figure out why Dallas would pick up Shaun Alexander

he provides nothing if he's not following 2 of the best OLs in the last 2 decades.

 

[switz]

If it were just Felix and Choice at RB, Choice would only be used for short yardage situations.

This is absolutely incorrect. Dallas did not draft Choice to be a short yardage RB.Choice is NOT a short yardage RB. He is an every down RB who has carried the ballover 550 times in his last 2 seasons a Georgia Tech.If MB3 holds out or moves on, Choice will share the load with Felix Jones, without question.

I agree with that, I just don't see it being the same situation as with Barber. With Barber there, Felix is the secondary component of the RBBC, albeit I think the mix will be very close (60/40). With Choice in there, Felix would be the primary component of the RBBC. Choice would be used probably on a lot of 1st downs, 3rd and shorts, GL, etc. I think the mix though would favor a larger percentage going to Felix (70/30).It's not meant to be a knock on Choice at all. And it's only my opinion on top of that.

 

[switz]

I'm still trying to figure out why Dallas would pick up Shaun Alexanderhe provides nothing if he's not following 2 of the best OLs in the last 2 decades.

Because if Barber holds out, the Cowboys will be extremely short in the RB department. Alexander is suitable in a limited role, at worst depth. I don't think he's going to land anywhere that promises to start him, but he will likely want to go to a winning team.

 

[Captain_Apocalypse]

Edited after looking up info on this question:

The club may NOT sign the tagged player to a long-term contract after July 14. That is, the team has until July 14 to sign the tagged player to a long-term contract; afterwards the player may sign only a one-year contract with his prior team, and the contract may not be extended until after the last regular season game.

A prior team has until June 1 to tender an UFA or a RFA a qualifying offer (worth at least 110% of the salary of the final year of the contract with the prior team). In the case of UFAs, if such an offer is made, the player has until July 22 to sign with a DIFFERENT club. If he doesn't, then the only team that the player can sign with after July 22, is the prior club.

So, if they lower it, yes he can negotiate with another club until July 22nd, but if he wants a long term contract with the Cowboys, it needs to be done by July 14th.

So anyone really think they will LOWER the tender? And if they do would any other teams be interested? Who?Seems to me they can't really afford to lower the tender. Which leads me to believe that my original guess would be correct that he won't actually hold out, sign the tender, prove himself worthy of a big payday (assuming the injury risk) and go somewhere else after the season. Agree? Dissagree?

 

[switz]

Edited after looking up info on this question:

The club may NOT sign the tagged player to a long-term contract after July 14. That is, the team has until July 14 to sign the tagged player to a long-term contract; afterwards the player may sign only a one-year contract with his prior team, and the contract may not be extended until after the last regular season game.

A prior team has until June 1 to tender an UFA or a RFA a qualifying offer (worth at least 110% of the salary of the final year of the contract with the prior team). In the case of UFAs, if such an offer is made, the player has until July 22 to sign with a DIFFERENT club. If he doesn't, then the only team that the player can sign with after July 22, is the prior club.

So, if they lower it, yes he can negotiate with another club until July 22nd, but if he wants a long term contract with the Cowboys, it needs to be done by July 14th.

So anyone really think they will LOWER the tender? And if they do would any other teams be interested? Who?

I highly doubt they lower their tender. I think it's more of a ploy to get Barber to sign the tender out there right now.

Seems to me they can't really afford to lower the tender. Which leads me to believe that my original guess would be correct that he won't actually hold out, sign the tender, prove himself worthy of a big payday (assuming the injury risk) and go somewhere else after the season. Agree? Dissagree?

I don't know whether he will hold out or not. I am certain the team wants him there, but that they will not be stupid about it. I don't see them raising the $30 million offer - so Barber is either going to accept it, or just take the one year tender and look forward to Free Agency.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

If it were just Felix and Choice at RB, Choice would only be used for short yardage situations.

This is absolutely incorrect. Dallas did not draft Choice to be a short yardage RB.Choice is NOT a short yardage RB. He is an every down RB who has carried the ballover 550 times in his last 2 seasons a Georgia Tech.If MB3 holds out or moves on, Choice will share the load with Felix Jones, without question.

I agree with that, I just don't see it being the same situation as with Barber. With Barber there, Felix is the secondary component of the RBBC, albeit I think the mix will be very close (60/40). With Choice in there, Felix would be the primary component of the RBBC. Choice would be used probably on a lot of 1st downs, 3rd and shorts, GL, etc. I think the mix though would favor a larger percentage going to Felix (70/30).It's not meant to be a knock on Choice at all. And it's only my opinion on top of that.

I understand, I'm also voicing an opinion, but I was referring to this comment by you.

If it were just Felix and Choice at RB, Choice would only be used for short yardage situations.

I also don't see 70/30 Jones either.A talent like Choice will not be wasted on GL / short yardage situation only, imo.

 

[switz]

If it were just Felix and Choice at RB, Choice would only be used for short yardage situations.

This is absolutely incorrect. Dallas did not draft Choice to be a short yardage RB.Choice is NOT a short yardage RB. He is an every down RB who has carried the ball

over 550 times in his last 2 seasons a Georgia Tech.

If MB3 holds out or moves on, Choice will share the load with Felix Jones, without question.

I agree with that, I just don't see it being the same situation as with Barber. With Barber there, Felix is the secondary component of the RBBC, albeit I think the mix will be very close (60/40). With Choice in there, Felix would be the primary component of the RBBC. Choice would be used probably on a lot of 1st downs, 3rd and shorts, GL, etc. I think the mix though would favor a larger percentage going to Felix (70/30).It's not meant to be a knock on Choice at all. And it's only my opinion on top of that.

I understand, I'm also voicing an opinion, but I was referring to this comment by you.

If it were just Felix and Choice at RB, Choice would only be used for short yardage situations.

I also don't see 70/30 Jones either.A talent like Choice will not be wasted on GL / short yardage situation only, imo.

I revised my statement, as I was exaggerating a bit initially. See the bolded part.We'll have to agree to disagree on the 70/30 part though. I just don't think Choice is anywhere near Felix as far as talent goes, so I don't see how he cuts into his carries more than that.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

At this point, those of us from Steeler Nation.... are glad that Dallas took Felix Jones.

 

[Getinthemix]

Edited after looking up info on this question:

The club may NOT sign the tagged player to a long-term contract after July 14. That is, the team has until July 14 to sign the tagged player to a long-term contract; afterwards the player may sign only a one-year contract with his prior team, and the contract may not be extended until after the last regular season game.

A prior team has until June 1 to tender an UFA or a RFA a qualifying offer (worth at least 110% of the salary of the final year of the contract with the prior team). In the case of UFAs, if such an offer is made, the player has until July 22 to sign with a DIFFERENT club. If he doesn't, then the only team that the player can sign with after July 22, is the prior club.

So, if they lower it, yes he can negotiate with another club until July 22nd, but if he wants a long term contract with the Cowboys, it needs to be done by July 14th.

So anyone really think they will LOWER the tender? And if they do would any other teams be interested? Who?Seems to me they can't really afford to lower the tender. Which leads me to believe that my original guess would be correct that he won't actually hold out, sign the tender, prove himself worthy of a big payday (assuming the injury risk) and go somewhere else after the season. Agree? Dissagree?

Where in there does it say they can lower the tender? Once a tender is given, the choices are to sign the player, he holds out, or completely release him. If teams could lower the tender, don't you think that it would constantly happen? If they could, players would be much quicker to sign their tenders.

 

[hitmenssharpshooters]

If some reason Barber is gone..

So some people think the 4th rounder Choice would get more carries or the same # as the 1st round pick in Jones..hmmm..interesting.

 

[switz]

Where in there does it say they can lower the tender? Once a tender is given, the choices are to sign the player, he holds out, or completely release him. If teams could lower the tender, don't you think that it would constantly happen? If they could, players would be much quicker to sign their tenders.

That was only a partial quote dealing with whether he could still be signed by other clubs after June 1, if the Cowboys decided to lower the tender.Here's what you are interested in:

A prior team has until June 1 to tender an UFA or a RFA a qualifying offer (worth at least 110% of the salary of the final year of the contract with the prior team). In the case of UFAs, if such an offer is made, the player has until July 22 to sign with a DIFFERENT club. If he doesn't, then the only team that the player can sign with after July 22, is the prior club. In the case of RFAs, if such a June 1 tender is made, the player can ONLY sign with the the prior club. If no June 1 tender is made for a RFA (or the tender is rescinded by the prior club before July 22), then the player becomes an UFA. In the case of both UFAs and RFAs, if the player does not sign with the Prior team by the first Tuesday following Week 10 of the regular NFL season, then the player shall be prohibited from playing in the NFL for the remainder of that season.

Deadline for old clubs to withdraw an original qualifying offer to a RFA and still retain exclusive negotiating rights by substituting tender of 110% of previous year’s salary is June 15.

To put it simply - the club MUST make a qualifying offer prior to June 1 to retain exclusive rights. However, if the tended is NOT signed by June 1, then, between June 1 and June 15, the team may rescind it's original tender, and offer a reduced tender, a minimum of 110% of the player's previous year's salary.

 

[switz]

At this point, those of us from Steeler Nation.... are glad that Dallas took Felix Jones.

Because your team drafted a back who is already injured?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

He's got a year on his contract. Jerry Jones has proven through history that he's taken care of his stud players in a contract year. It would be wise for Barber who's never been a full time starter to go out and prove he can be, play well and things will take care of itself.

This is what will happen.

 

[switz]

He's got a year on his contract. Jerry Jones has proven through history that he's taken care of his stud players in a contract year. It would be wise for Barber who's never been a full time starter to go out and prove he can be, play well and things will take care of itself.

This is what will happen.

Ummmm.... no, he's got no contract at all. That's why he's an RFA.Yes, they tendered him a 1 year contract, but he has yet to sign it.

 

[Andy Herron]

Three simple notes-

1. This is not an issue

2. The posting is media fueled

3. Barber has no leverage, he'll sign

They're working on a long-term deal. The tender is of no significance.

 

[fun-b]

Three simple notes-1. This is not an issue2. The posting is media fueled3. Barber has no leverage, he'll signThey're working on a long-term deal. The tender is of no significance.