M. Jones-Drew up and comer or fluke of the week? (1 Viewer)

[Tillmanisahero]

What do you guys think about MJD? Is he coming on to take over for FT (ala Maroney in NE) or was this last week just a fluke?

The fact that a rookie took over the running in a big game that was with in a TD late, does that suggest he is for real and going to be a bigger part of the Jax plans?

 

[cscmtp]

i think he's the real deal. Runs VERY hard, and must have a lot of confidence from the staff to get that much time in a BIG game...

 

[sad pandas]

I think hes for real...plus ain't no way Taylor finishes this season. I just picked up MJD and dropped Dom Rhodes. Had to now that Alexander is hurt

MJD looked real good though

 

[Shermanator]

Was Taylor hurt during the game for Drew to get all that PT? Or was Drew just the better play at that time?

 

[LawFitz]

Me likey!!!

Most don't realize just how good Mo Drew was at UCLA. He was overshadowed his whole career by a certain other Los Angeles tailback, but was very solid in his own right.

The game I recall the most was at UW during his sophomore year. I believe when he took three of his first four carries to the house with long runs. His stat line at that point in the game was 4 carries, 170 yds and 3 TDs.

Another great Mo Drew stat came last season when as the primary punt returner, he returned 25% of punts he fielded to the house. Yes that is right, 25%!!!

My only concern about the kid was his size, but he looks and is listed about 10-15 lbs heavier this season, yet still has his game-breaking speed and moves.

In a nutshell, Mo has the talent of a total stud, but being a rook and having Freddy T in the same backfield may keep him from really breaking out on a consistent basis this season.

 

[Mr. Black]

He ran a bunch of draw plays out of the shotgun in passing situations, so I guess that makes him a good NFL RB. Let's see him line up in the I formation and get 20 + carries on a week to week basis before we start talking how good this guy is, so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

I lean more toward a fluke.

 

[Marc Levin]

I think he will be spotty in most leagues - at least as long as Fred T is healthy - but worth more in PPR leagues. Freddie has been phazed out of the passing game and Drew is the primary RB pass receiving option.

I grabbed him in a Y! league I'm in that rewards return yardage. I think I just locked up my RB2 spot - it is 1/10 for all return yardage and a FIVE POINT BONUS for going over 100 yards in any category (including COMBINED return yardage). What's that, 5 KO returns (since most KO returners average around 20 per return)? Drew is the Jacksonville KO returner - that is HUGE.

 

[joffer]

i don't think the Jags can ignore what they saw on Sunday, they need to find ways to get him some touches.

guy is like a fireplug with speed.

 

[Arnold. S]

no fluke, it wasn't like he got lucky and had huge holes to run through all day. He ran with determination and power. Kid's got skills.

 

[Bruno2]

I think he's doing exactly what the Jags hoped he'd do when they drafted him. They didn't draft him to take over for Taylor, they wanted a change of pace back to relieve Taylor and keep defenses on their heels. And so far he looks like the real deal in that respect.

 

[Marc Levin]

He ran a bunch of draw plays out of the shotgun in passing situations, so I guess that makes him a good NFL RB. Let's see him line up in the I formation and get 20 + carries on a week to week basis before we start talking how good this guy is, so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

You couldn't be MORE wrong - the play by play:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DrewMa00-5.php

2 9:27 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 44 rushed for 12 yards (first down)

2 8:47 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 32 rushed for 3 yards

1 9:54 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 37 rushed for 26 yards (first down)

2 12:49 7 - 0 2nd-and-11 own 45 rushed for 2 yards

3 4:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-5 own 40 rushed for 1 yards

3 2:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 46 rushed for 6 yards (first down)

3 2:21 7 - 14 1st-and-10 opp 40 rushed for 6 yards

3 1:39 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 34 rushed for 3 yards

4 7:44 7 - 21 2nd-and-3 opp 42 rushed for 0 yards

4 6:31 7 - 21 1st-and-10 opp 34 caught pass for 6 yards

Those are 9 of his 13 carries - for 59 yards (a 6.55 YPC average) and 1 of his 5 targets in "normal" gametime situations - NOT third down and NOT shotgun. He got three first downs on those carries.

Please know your facts - or at least have watched the game - before posting mis-information in the guise of a knowledgable opinion.

He may be a one-game fluke for that number of touches, but he has nothing left to prove about running the ball out of the Jacksonvile base running package.

 

[vegasrobb]

Awesome response.

I think Del Rio was playing the hot hand. Fred picked up plenty of work.

 

[brednbuddah]

He ran a bunch of draw plays out of the shotgun in passing situations, so I guess that makes him a good NFL RB. Let's see him line up in the I formation and get 20 + carries on a week to week basis before we start talking how good this guy is, so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

You couldn't be MORE wrong - the play by play:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DrewMa00-5.php

2 9:27 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 44 rushed for 12 yards (first down)

2 8:47 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 32 rushed for 3 yards

1 9:54 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 37 rushed for 26 yards (first down)

2 12:49 7 - 0 2nd-and-11 own 45 rushed for 2 yards

3 4:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-5 own 40 rushed for 1 yards

3 2:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 46 rushed for 6 yards (first down)

3 2:21 7 - 14 1st-and-10 opp 40 rushed for 6 yards

3 1:39 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 34 rushed for 3 yards

4 7:44 7 - 21 2nd-and-3 opp 42 rushed for 0 yards

4 6:31 7 - 21 1st-and-10 opp 34 caught pass for 6 yards

Those are 9 of his 13 carries - for 59 yards (a 6.55 YPC average) and 1 of his 5 targets in "normal" gametime situations - NOT third down and NOT shotgun. He got three first downs on those carries.

Please know your facts - or at least have watched the game - before posting mis-information in the guise of a knowledgable opinion.

He may be a one-game fluke for that number of touches, but he has nothing left to prove about running the ball out of the Jacksonvile base running package.

 

[Mr. Black]

He ran a bunch of draw plays out of the shotgun in passing situations, so I guess that makes him a good NFL RB. Let's see him line up in the I formation and get 20 + carries on a week to week basis before we start talking how good this guy is, so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

You couldn't be MORE wrong - the play by play:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DrewMa00-5.php

2 9:27 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 44 rushed for 12 yards (first down)

2 8:47 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 32 rushed for 3 yards

1 9:54 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 37 rushed for 26 yards (first down)

2 12:49 7 - 0 2nd-and-11 own 45 rushed for 2 yards

3 4:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-5 own 40 rushed for 1 yards

3 2:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 46 rushed for 6 yards (first down)

3 2:21 7 - 14 1st-and-10 opp 40 rushed for 6 yards

3 1:39 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 34 rushed for 3 yards

4 7:44 7 - 21 2nd-and-3 opp 42 rushed for 0 yards

4 6:31 7 - 21 1st-and-10 opp 34 caught pass for 6 yards

Those are 9 of his 13 carries - for 59 yards (a 6.55 YPC average) and 1 of his 5 targets in "normal" gametime situations - NOT third down and NOT shotgun. He got three first downs on those carries.

Please know your facts - or at least have watched the game - before posting mis-information in the guise of a knowledgable opinion.

He may be a one-game fluke for that number of touches, but he has nothing left to prove about running the ball out of the Jacksonvile base running package.

I don't care about your play by play did you watch the game? He ripped off long runs on draw plays out of the shotgun formation. I watched the entire game. The jags were in shotgun quite a bit.

 

[PatsWillWin]

He ran a bunch of draw plays out of the shotgun in passing situations, so I guess that makes him a good NFL RB. Let's see him line up in the I formation and get 20 + carries on a week to week basis before we start talking how good this guy is, so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

You couldn't be MORE wrong - the play by play:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DrewMa00-5.php

2 9:27 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 44 rushed for 12 yards (first down)

2 8:47 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 32 rushed for 3 yards

1 9:54 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 37 rushed for 26 yards (first down)

2 12:49 7 - 0 2nd-and-11 own 45 rushed for 2 yards

3 4:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-5 own 40 rushed for 1 yards

3 2:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 46 rushed for 6 yards (first down)

3 2:21 7 - 14 1st-and-10 opp 40 rushed for 6 yards

3 1:39 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 34 rushed for 3 yards

4 7:44 7 - 21 2nd-and-3 opp 42 rushed for 0 yards

4 6:31 7 - 21 1st-and-10 opp 34 caught pass for 6 yards

Those are 9 of his 13 carries - for 59 yards (a 6.55 YPC average) and 1 of his 5 targets in "normal" gametime situations - NOT third down and NOT shotgun. He got three first downs on those carries.

Please know your facts - or at least have watched the game - before posting mis-information in the guise of a knowledgable opinion.

He may be a one-game fluke for that number of touches, but he has nothing left to prove about running the ball out of the Jacksonvile base running package.

I don't care about your play by play did you watch the game? He ripped off long runs on draw plays out of the shotgun formation. I watched the entire game. The jags were in shotgun quite a bit.

I don't care about your FACTS. Get those FACTS away from me!

 

[Ilov80s]

He ran a bunch of draw plays out of the shotgun in passing situations, so I guess that makes him a good NFL RB. Let's see him line up in the I formation and get 20 + carries on a week to week basis before we start talking how good this guy is, so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

You couldn't be MORE wrong - the play by play:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DrewMa00-5.php

2 9:27 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 44 rushed for 12 yards (first down)

2 8:47 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 32 rushed for 3 yards

1 9:54 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 37 rushed for 26 yards (first down)

2 12:49 7 - 0 2nd-and-11 own 45 rushed for 2 yards

3 4:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-5 own 40 rushed for 1 yards

3 2:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 46 rushed for 6 yards (first down)

3 2:21 7 - 14 1st-and-10 opp 40 rushed for 6 yards

3 1:39 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 34 rushed for 3 yards

4 7:44 7 - 21 2nd-and-3 opp 42 rushed for 0 yards

4 6:31 7 - 21 1st-and-10 opp 34 caught pass for 6 yards

Those are 9 of his 13 carries - for 59 yards (a 6.55 YPC average) and 1 of his 5 targets in "normal" gametime situations - NOT third down and NOT shotgun. He got three first downs on those carries.

Please know your facts - or at least have watched the game - before posting mis-information in the guise of a knowledgable opinion.

He may be a one-game fluke for that number of touches, but he has nothing left to prove about running the ball out of the Jacksonvile base running package.

I don't care about your play by play did you watch the game? He ripped off long runs on draw plays out of the shotgun formation. I watched the entire game. The jags were in shotgun quite a bit.

If the Jags were in shotgun and running draws on first down to the tune of 12,3,6 and 26 yards- then why not just run more shotgun throughout the game? I personally am not buying the hype and believe it had a lot to do with the quick Indy surface, but I am picking him up to protect Taylor anyway...just in case.

 

[Mr. Black]

He ran a bunch of draw plays out of the shotgun in passing situations, so I guess that makes him a good NFL RB. Let's see him line up in the I formation and get 20 + carries on a week to week basis before we start talking how good this guy is, so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

You couldn't be MORE wrong - the play by play:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DrewMa00-5.php

2 9:27 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 44 rushed for 12 yards (first down)

2 8:47 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 32 rushed for 3 yards

1 9:54 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 37 rushed for 26 yards (first down)

2 12:49 7 - 0 2nd-and-11 own 45 rushed for 2 yards

3 4:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-5 own 40 rushed for 1 yards

3 2:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 46 rushed for 6 yards (first down)

3 2:21 7 - 14 1st-and-10 opp 40 rushed for 6 yards

3 1:39 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 34 rushed for 3 yards

4 7:44 7 - 21 2nd-and-3 opp 42 rushed for 0 yards

4 6:31 7 - 21 1st-and-10 opp 34 caught pass for 6 yards

Those are 9 of his 13 carries - for 59 yards (a 6.55 YPC average) and 1 of his 5 targets in "normal" gametime situations - NOT third down and NOT shotgun. He got three first downs on those carries.

Please know your facts - or at least have watched the game - before posting mis-information in the guise of a knowledgable opinion.

He may be a one-game fluke for that number of touches, but he has nothing left to prove about running the ball out of the Jacksonvile base running package.

I don't care about your play by play did you watch the game? He ripped off long runs on draw plays out of the shotgun formation. I watched the entire game. The jags were in shotgun quite a bit.

I don't care about your FACTS. Get those FACTS away from me!

More than half of his runs came out of the shotgun and at least 3 or 4 of his other carries were draw plays.

 

[Paprika]

He ran a bunch of draw plays out of the shotgun in passing situations, so I guess that makes him a good NFL RB. Let's see him line up in the I formation and get 20 + carries on a week to week basis before we start talking how good this guy is, so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

You couldn't be MORE wrong - the play by play:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DrewMa00-5.php

2 9:27 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 44 rushed for 12 yards (first down)

2 8:47 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 32 rushed for 3 yards

1 9:54 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 37 rushed for 26 yards (first down)

2 12:49 7 - 0 2nd-and-11 own 45 rushed for 2 yards

3 4:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-5 own 40 rushed for 1 yards

3 2:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 46 rushed for 6 yards (first down)

3 2:21 7 - 14 1st-and-10 opp 40 rushed for 6 yards

3 1:39 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 34 rushed for 3 yards

4 7:44 7 - 21 2nd-and-3 opp 42 rushed for 0 yards

4 6:31 7 - 21 1st-and-10 opp 34 caught pass for 6 yards

Those are 9 of his 13 carries - for 59 yards (a 6.55 YPC average) and 1 of his 5 targets in "normal" gametime situations - NOT third down and NOT shotgun. He got three first downs on those carries.

Please know your facts - or at least have watched the game - before posting mis-information in the guise of a knowledgable opinion.

He may be a one-game fluke for that number of touches, but he has nothing left to prove about running the ball out of the Jacksonvile base running package.

I don't care about your play by play did you watch the game? He ripped off long runs on draw plays out of the shotgun formation. I watched the entire game. The jags were in shotgun quite a bit.

I don't care about your FACTS. Get those FACTS away from me!

More than half of his runs came out of the shotgun and at least 3 or 4 of his other carries were draw plays.

F.Taylor is still the man

 

[GregR_2]

...

More than half of his runs came out of the shotgun and at least 3 or 4 of his other carries were draw plays.

Fred Taylor this year: ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LSTShotgun 3 17 5.7 12 0 2 12 6.0 9 0 0 0Backs Split 2 14 7.0 12 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0I-Formation 29 117 4.0 25 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0Lone Setback 33 109 3.3 10 1 10 69 6.9 20 0 0 0MJD this year: ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LSTShotgun 7 53 7.6 18 0 6 38 6.3 12 1 0 0Backs Split 1 2 2.0 2 0 1 12 12.0 12 0 0 0I-Formation 7 29 4.1 12 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0Lone Setback 9 84 9.3 26 0 5 26 5.2 7 1 0 0So 2/3 of his plays have been out of I-formation and Lone-setback in nearly equal numbers, and 1/3 were out of the shotgun.

 

[jon_mx]

What do you guys think about MJD? Is he coming on to take over for FT (ala Maroney in NE) or was this last week just a fluke?The fact that a rookie took over the running in a big game that was with in a TD late, does that suggest he is for real and going to be a bigger part of the Jax plans?

The Colts have the worst run defense in the league. They may improve as they have had injuries. But everyone who runs against them so far, looks like an All-Universe back.

 

[gman8343]

What do you guys think about MJD? Is he coming on to take over for FT (ala Maroney in NE) or was this last week just a fluke?The fact that a rookie took over the running in a big game that was with in a TD late, does that suggest he is for real and going to be a bigger part of the Jax plans?

The Colts have the worst run defense in the league. They may improve as they have had injuries. But everyone who runs against them so far, looks like an All-Universe back.

except Fred Taylor.

 

[GregR_2]

What do you guys think about MJD? Is he coming on to take over for FT (ala Maroney in NE) or was this last week just a fluke?

The fact that a rookie took over the running in a big game that was with in a TD late, does that suggest he is for real and going to be a bigger part of the Jax plans?

The Colts Texans have the worst run defense in the league. ...

Fixed.Edit: Heh, posted that as a joke and then checked the stats. Dang! 5.3 ypc given up by the Colts. I didn't realize they were THAT bad.

 

[Mr. Black]

...

More than half of his runs came out of the shotgun and at least 3 or 4 of his other carries were draw plays.

Fred Taylor this year: ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LSTShotgun 3 17 5.7 12 0 2 12 6.0 9 0 0 0Backs Split 2 14 7.0 12 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0I-Formation 29 117 4.0 25 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0Lone Setback 33 109 3.3 10 1 10 69 6.9 20 0 0 0MJD this year: ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LSTShotgun 7 53 7.6 18 0 6 38 6.3 12 1 0 0Backs Split 1 2 2.0 2 0 1 12 12.0 12 0 0 0I-Formation 7 29 4.1 12 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0Lone Setback 9 84 9.3 26 0 5 26 5.2 7 1 0 0So 2/3 of his plays have been out of I-formation and Lone-setback in nearly equal numbers, and 1/3 were out of the shotgun.

The discussion was about the colts game not the other 2 games. Look you over react if you want and get your hopes up that Drew is going to be a every down back in the NFL and you will be disapointed. Now back to my point in the colt's game most of his runs came out of the shotgun or they were draw plays take your little stats and watch the game and you will see for yourself. I'm done with this. One more thing the reason the draw was open for Drew the entire game is because of the colts pass rushers and whenever Drew was in the game the colts were playing the down as if it was a passing down since Drew is the 3rd down back.

 

[IndyHavoc]

He ran a bunch of draw plays out of the shotgun in passing situations, so I guess that makes him a good NFL RB. Let's see him line up in the I formation and get 20 + carries on a week to week basis before we start talking how good this guy is, so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

You couldn't be MORE wrong - the play by play:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DrewMa00-5.php

2 9:27 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 44 rushed for 12 yards (first down)

2 8:47 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 32 rushed for 3 yards

1 9:54 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 37 rushed for 26 yards (first down)

2 12:49 7 - 0 2nd-and-11 own 45 rushed for 2 yards

3 4:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-5 own 40 rushed for 1 yards

3 2:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 46 rushed for 6 yards (first down)

3 2:21 7 - 14 1st-and-10 opp 40 rushed for 6 yards

3 1:39 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 34 rushed for 3 yards

4 7:44 7 - 21 2nd-and-3 opp 42 rushed for 0 yards

4 6:31 7 - 21 1st-and-10 opp 34 caught pass for 6 yards

Those are 9 of his 13 carries - for 59 yards (a 6.55 YPC average) and 1 of his 5 targets in "normal" gametime situations - NOT third down and NOT shotgun. He got three first downs on those carries.

Please know your facts - or at least have watched the game - before posting mis-information in the guise of a knowledgable opinion.

He may be a one-game fluke for that number of touches, but he has nothing left to prove about running the ball out of the Jacksonvile base running package.

That's all well and good, Marc. Bottom line is that this was vs. a very spotty Indy Colt Defense w/o Corey Simon, w/o Bob Sanders in Run Support, and w/o a healthy Freeney. I was not suprised in the least how good Freddie T and MJD looked (well, shocked at just how much they racked up in the 1st quarter). And also give props to JDR or their O-guys for recognizing that fact that they could push the middle securely and let FT/MJD jump stop, read the LB's, and then run away from them on almost every play. It took some serious adjustments at halftime to counter this a bit.I really think MJD, like FWP, will absolutely struggle vs. a stout run D. Not to mention vs. a stout run D Freddie T would be taking 80% of the carries. I don't think you'll see much of anything from MJD on the year (sans the noted return yardage/possible TD) except vs. very questionable run D's. Jax is molded to be a physical, pound-it team if and when they are able to be effective with it. /shrug.

 

[Bankerguy]

What kind of dude has 2 last names. Anyone else find it weird.

 

[bb7278]

What kind of dude has 2 last names. Anyone else find it weird.

It's in honor of his granpappy so though a bit odd is OK

 

[D-BO]

It's very well possible next week he doesn't see the ball nearly as much i.e Deangelo Williams/Foster against TB this past week.

 

[GDogg]

1st Quarter Maurice Drew runs:

3-5-IND46 (10:37) (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to IND 37 for 9 yards (N.Harper).

1-10-IND37 (9:55) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to IND 11 for 26 yards (M.Doss).

2-25-JAC30 (3:32) (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 48 for 18 yards (A.Bethea).

3-7-JAC48 (2:51) (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to IND 40 for 12 yards (A.Bethea).

2nd Quarter Maurice Drew runs and reception:

2-11-JAC45 (12:50) (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 47 for 2 yards (M.Reagor).

3-2-JAC36 (10:14) (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 41 for 5 yards (A.Bethea, J.David).

1-10-IND44 (9:28) M.Jones-Drew left tackle to IND 32 for 12 yards (B.Schobel).

1-10-IND33 (8:48) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to IND 29 for 4 yards (M.Jackson, G.Gardner).

3-6-IND28 (7:10) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass short right to M.Jones-Drew to IND 16 for 12 yards (A.Bethea).

3rd Quarter Maurice Drew runs and reception:

2-5-JAC40 (4:56) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 41 for 1 yard (C.June).

3-4-JAC41 (4:10) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass short right to M.Jones-Drew to JAX 48 for 7 yards (C.June, A.Bethea).

2-4-IND46 (2:56) M.Jones-Drew left tackle to IND 40 for 6 yards (C.June).

1-10-IND40 (2:22) M.Jones-Drew right end to IND 34 for 6 yards (M.Jackson).

2-4-IND34 (1:40) M.Jones-Drew right tackle to IND 31 for 3 yards (M.Doss).

4th Quarter Drew action:

M.Gramatica kicks 60 yards from IND 30 to JAX 10. M.Jones-Drew to IND 49 for 41 yards (F.Keiaho).

2-3-IND42 (7:45) (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to IND 42 for no gain (C.June).

1-10-IND34 (6:32) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass short middle to M.Jones-Drew to IND 28 for 6 yards (G.Gardner).

3-7-IND7 (3:37) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass short middle to M.Jones-Drew for 7 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Drew ran the ball once in a long situation, which was in the first quarter and got the Jags 18 yards. His longest run was 26 yards and came on 1st down and 10 on his second carry of the game.

6 of his 13 runs were out of the shotgun formation. It doesn't really matter, though, as Maurice broke multiple tackles or just flat out ran away from his defenders.

Why does it matter what surface he was on? Is the surface not going to make everyone faster than normal? And, Maurice is the 2nd fastest rookie RB in the league and one of the fastest RB's in the league period. He ran a 4.39 at the combine, and showed his incredible speed on his 20 or so TD's from 40+ yards at UCLA, playing on the natural grass of the Rose Bowl for most of that time.

Go ahead and keep doubting Maurice Drew. Everyone has throughout his football career at every level and everyone has been proven wrong.

And, yes, I am leading the Maurice Drew bandwagon.

 

[jon_mx]

Edit: Heh, posted that as a joke and then checked the stats. Dang! 5.3 ypc given up by the Colts. I didn't realize they were THAT bad.

The Colts are giving up 161 yards per week over the first three weeks and this includes one week of playing Houston runnning Ron Dayne. Take away they bye week playing Dayne, and the Colts would rank dead last against the run in every category. T. Baber hit the Colts for 18 carries 110 yards. B. Jacobs had 8 carried for 54 yards. That's 6.3 yards per carry between the two! It looked like Oklahoma paying some some division II club.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

He ran a bunch of draw plays out of the shotgun in passing situations, so I guess that makes him a good NFL RB. Let's see him line up in the I formation and get 20 + carries on a week to week basis before we start talking how good this guy is, so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

You couldn't be MORE wrong - the play by play:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DrewMa00-5.php

2 9:27 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 44 rushed for 12 yards (first down)

2 8:47 7 - 7 1st-and-10 opp 32 rushed for 3 yards

1 9:54 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 37 rushed for 26 yards (first down)

2 12:49 7 - 0 2nd-and-11 own 45 rushed for 2 yards

3 4:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-5 own 40 rushed for 1 yards

3 2:55 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 46 rushed for 6 yards (first down)

3 2:21 7 - 14 1st-and-10 opp 40 rushed for 6 yards

3 1:39 7 - 14 2nd-and-4 opp 34 rushed for 3 yards

4 7:44 7 - 21 2nd-and-3 opp 42 rushed for 0 yards

4 6:31 7 - 21 1st-and-10 opp 34 caught pass for 6 yards

Those are 9 of his 13 carries - for 59 yards (a 6.55 YPC average) and 1 of his 5 targets in "normal" gametime situations - NOT third down and NOT shotgun. He got three first downs on those carries.

Please know your facts - or at least have watched the game - before posting mis-information in the guise of a knowledgable opinion.

He may be a one-game fluke for that number of touches, but he has nothing left to prove about running the ball out of the Jacksonvile base running package.

That was a little harsh considered the post that had more detailed information about what formation the Jags were in did show that several runs were from the shotgun formation and not the base running package.

 

[Bankerguy]

What kind of dude has 2 last names. Anyone else find it weird.

It's in honor of his granpappy so though a bit odd is OK

Ahhh...didn't know that. OK then.I was worried it was her (err his) maiden name.

 

[Marc Levin]

I don't care about your play by play did you watch the game? He ripped off long runs on draw plays out of the shotgun formation. I watched the entire game. The jags were in shotgun quite a bit.

Yes - I watched almost every minute of the game b/c the Dolphin game was pissing me off and I have "the package"He ripped of long runs out of the shotgun - absolutely true. He looked even BETTER on third and long and in the shotgun than he did in the base package, but he looked great in the I-formation base package as well.YOUR statement, which could not have been MORE WRONG was:

so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

Now, if you are ready to retract that statement, or admit that you mis-spoke, I can see where you are coming from. Drew was FABULOUS out of the base I-formation package, and on downs OTHER THAN third. Your statement was a complete misrepresentation of Drew's day.

 

[Marc Levin]

More than half of his runs came out of the shotgun and at least 3 or 4 of his other carries were draw plays.

THAT is completely incorrect. I thought you said you watched the game? SOME of his runs - by no means "more than half" were out of the shotgun.

 

[Marc Levin]

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More than half of his runs came out of the shotgun and at least 3 or 4 of his other carries were draw plays.

Fred Taylor this year: ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LSTShotgun 3 17 5.7 12 0 2 12 6.0 9 0 0 0Backs Split 2 14 7.0 12 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0I-Formation 29 117 4.0 25 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0Lone Setback 33 109 3.3 10 1 10 69 6.9 20 0 0 0MJD this year: ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LSTShotgun 7 53 7.6 18 0 6 38 6.3 12 1 0 0Backs Split 1 2 2.0 2 0 1 12 12.0 12 0 0 0I-Formation 7 29 4.1 12 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0Lone Setback 9 84 9.3 26 0 5 26 5.2 7 1 0 0So 2/3 of his plays have been out of I-formation and Lone-setback in nearly equal numbers, and 1/3 were out of the shotgun.

I thought I did a good job - but GregR just this discussion.

 

[Sigfawn]

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More than half of his runs came out of the shotgun and at least 3 or 4 of his other carries were draw plays.

Fred Taylor this year: ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LSTShotgun 3 17 5.7 12 0 2 12 6.0 9 0 0 0Backs Split 2 14 7.0 12 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0I-Formation 29 117 4.0 25 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0Lone Setback 33 109 3.3 10 1 10 69 6.9 20 0 0 0MJD this year: ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LSTShotgun 7 53 7.6 18 0 6 38 6.3 12 1 0 0Backs Split 1 2 2.0 2 0 1 12 12.0 12 0 0 0I-Formation 7 29 4.1 12 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0Lone Setback 9 84 9.3 26 0 5 26 5.2 7 1 0 0So 2/3 of his plays have been out of I-formation and Lone-setback in nearly equal numbers, and 1/3 were out of the shotgun.

The discussion was about the colts game not the other 2 games. Look you over react if you want and get your hopes up that Drew is going to be a every down back in the NFL and you will be disapointed. Now back to my point in the colt's game most of his runs came out of the shotgun or they were draw plays take your little stats and watch the game and you will see for yourself. I'm done with this. One more thing the reason the draw was open for Drew the entire game is because of the colts pass rushers and whenever Drew was in the game the colts were playing the down as if it was a passing down since Drew is the 3rd down back.

You must have been drunk bro.Drew put Taylor on the BENCH. Notice how he was playing on 1st down? Hello? 1st != 3rd. I don't own Drew, don't have him in any league.

But if you watched that game, you came away VERY impressed with Drew. He basically kept the Jags in the game. He must have broken about 30 tackles. He's faster then Taylor, stronger, harder to bring down, and better at catching. Um okay, Taylor? He won't start the rest of the way, healthy or not. Drews performance, was easily the best by a rookie RB this year, that I've seen. (watched bush/maroney twice, dj once, norwood 3 times, addai twice, mike bell once).

Drew is nothing close to a 3rd down back. He's extremely physical. The guy is very hard to bring down, runs very low, and runs over people. I was totally shocked. The Jags basically played Drew most of the 2nd half because he was far more effective. After watching that game, I wouldn't be surprised if Drew starts within 2-3 weeks.

 

[Marc Levin]

1st Quarter Maurice Drew runs:6 of his 13 runs were out of the shotgun formation. It doesn't really matter, though, as Maurice broke multiple tackles or just flat out ran away from his defenders.

And the vast majority of his runs were NOT on third down.Under either criteria, the assertion has been disproved.

 

[Sigfawn]

I don't care about your play by play did you watch the game? He ripped off long runs on draw plays out of the shotgun formation. I watched the entire game. The jags were in shotgun quite a bit.

Yes - I watched almost every minute of the game b/c the Dolphin game was pissing me off and I have "the package"He ripped of long runs out of the shotgun - absolutely true. He looked even BETTER on third and long and in the shotgun than he did in the base package, but he looked great in the I-formation base package as well.YOUR statement, which could not have been MORE WRONG was:

so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

Now, if you are ready to retract that statement, or admit that you mis-spoke, I can see where you are coming from. Drew was FABULOUS out of the base I-formation package, and on downs OTHER THAN third. Your statement was a complete misrepresentation of Drew's day.

I watched the entire game, I agree 100%. I'm not sure how you could see that game, and not come away very impressed. Drew is FAR more physical then I ever expected.

 

[Marc Levin]

That was a little harsh considered the post that had more detailed information about what formation the Jags were in did show that several runs were from the shotgun formation and not the base running package.

Nope - as I stated above, the man also said that most of M J-D's damage came on THIRD DOWN.He could not have been more wrong with that statement. His implication was that Drew was given the ball on downs where he would be expected to be able to "fool" the defense with his running - that is simply not true.7 of his 13 runs - or MORE THAN HALF of his carries - were out of the base, I-formation- and were not draw plays.

 

[Marc Levin]

It's very well possible next week he doesn't see the ball nearly as much i.e Deangelo Williams/Foster against TB this past week.

That's my contention - his number of touches might be a one-week fluke.His ability, though, does not seem to be in question. he is the change of pace to Taylor's 20+ carries a game. That role does not appear to be changing anytime soon.

 

[shadow2k]

Fluke. He averaged 8ypc...please, like that happens a lot.

Taylor is the starter. He got his 20-25 touches, and was taken out of the game. Just like the first two games. Jax ran the ball more, so Drew got more touches.

He did have some nice runs...and yes, many were out of the shotgun and draw plays. That doesn't change the fact that he was impressive. But...it also doesn't change the fact that Taylor is the starter, and Drew is the 3rd down back who will get extra carries when the Jags run 30+ times a game.

Either way, he's not a fantasy starter until he's an NFL starter.

 

[Marc Levin]

That's all well and good, Marc. Bottom line is that this was vs. a very spotty Indy Colt Defense w/o Corey Simon, w/o Bob Sanders in Run Support, and w/o a healthy Freeney.

Agreed - as I mentioned a couple of time, could be a one-week fluke his number of touches, but his ability is not a fluke. As Fred T's likely backup, he has tremendous value. I just picked him up in a low $$ Y! league I'm in bevcause this league has screwy rules - including 1/10 for RETURN yardage and a 5 point bonus in ANY category.Since M J-D is the Jags' KO return man, and he is averaging around 25 per KO return, 15 points is virtually guaranteed whenever teams score three times on the Jags (plus the one KO at the beginning of one of the halfs).

 

[GregR_2]

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More than half of his runs came out of the shotgun and at least 3 or 4 of his other carries were draw plays.

Fred Taylor this year: ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LSTShotgun 3 17 5.7 12 0 2 12 6.0 9 0 0 0Backs Split 2 14 7.0 12 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0I-Formation 29 117 4.0 25 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0Lone Setback 33 109 3.3 10 1 10 69 6.9 20 0 0 0MJD this year: ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LSTShotgun 7 53 7.6 18 0 6 38 6.3 12 1 0 0Backs Split 1 2 2.0 2 0 1 12 12.0 12 0 0 0I-Formation 7 29 4.1 12 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0Lone Setback 9 84 9.3 26 0 5 26 5.2 7 1 0 0So 2/3 of his plays have been out of I-formation and Lone-setback in nearly equal numbers, and 1/3 were out of the shotgun.

The discussion was about the colts game not the other 2 games. Look you over react if you want and get your hopes up that Drew is going to be a every down back in the NFL and you will be disapointed. Now back to my point in the colt's game most of his runs came out of the shotgun or they were draw plays take your little stats and watch the game and you will see for yourself. I'm done with this. One more thing the reason the draw was open for Drew the entire game is because of the colts pass rushers and whenever Drew was in the game the colts were playing the down as if it was a passing down since Drew is the 3rd down back.

Actually, your assertion was:

He ran a bunch of draw plays out of the shotgun in passing situations, so I guess that makes him a good NFL RB. Let's see him line up in the I formation and get 20 + carries on a week to week basis before we start talking how good this guy is, so far all we know is that he has played well on 3rd downs and running out of the shotgun.

Yes, you were talking about the Colts game, but you said let's see him line up in the I-formation, and indicated all he has done is play well out of the shotgun.So I went to see how much this season he has lined up in various formations, and so far his draws were only 1/3 of this carries and 1/3 of his yards. He hasn't done the 20+ carries a week, but he's already got the same sample size for I-formation and lone setback as he does for running out of the shotgun. Which if the discussion is about that he's unproven, then he's as proven out of those formations as he is out of the shotgun.

 

[Marc Levin]

GregR cuts right through the

Good response, Greg - you said concisely, and nicely, what I was trying to say above. The *clear* implication in I'mStoneColdStunning's initial post - and the statement where he is flat out wrong - is that Maurice Drew has only proved he can play out of the shotgun, out of draw plays, and on third and long.

Drew's stats - the Jags' formations - their use of him - his productivity - both on the year and in the Colts game - completely refute the assertion that I'mStoneColdStunning made.

It is stunning to me that he is still trying to stand pat on that statement instead of acknowledging he misspoke.