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Yeah, it may work out in the end but this seems to have nothing but underwhelming written all over it.
Ramblin Wreck
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Just saw on twitter that Jimbo signed his extension with FSU
timschochet
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From that list I'd go with Franklin first, then Strong. Both strike me from afar as excellent coaches.
Abraham
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This is going to be a train wreck of epic proportions for the Horns.
"We are really excited about James Franklin, welcome to Austin!"
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timschochet
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But why not? I would be, over Jimbo for sure. When's the last time Vanderbilt has even been decent? Taking a team on the bottom of the totem poll in the toughest conference in the NCAA with virtually no recruiting compared to its opponents, and producing one winning season after another? That's the guy you want. That's Jim Harbaugh at UC San Diego. That's Urban Meyer at Utah.
This is going to be a train wreck of epic proportions for the Horns.
"We are really excited about James Franklin, welcome to Austin!"
Clifford
Footballguy
If Vandy had done better this season people would be a lot more excited. This was a good year to make a move too, with a very weak SEC East. He's less of a rising star than Mizzou's coach Gary Pinkel IMO. Mizzou at least won their division after just two seasons in the SEC. Since 2007 he has three Big 12 North titles and one SEC East title. Why not him?But why not? I would be, over Jimbo for sure. When's the last time Vanderbilt has even been decent? Taking a team on the bottom of the totem poll in the toughest conference in the NCAA with virtually no recruiting compared to its opponents, and producing one winning season after another? That's the guy you want. That's Jim Harbaugh at UC San Diego. That's Urban Meyer at Utah.
This is going to be a train wreck of epic proportions for the Horns.
"We are really excited about James Franklin, welcome to Austin!"
Doesn't look like Texas is going to get the big name they wanted.
Abraham
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I know this is going to come as a surprise, but you have no idea what you are talking about.But why not? I would be, over Jimbo for sure. When's the last time Vanderbilt has even been decent? Taking a team on the bottom of the totem poll in the toughest conference in the NCAA with virtually no recruiting compared to its opponents, and producing one winning season after another? That's the guy you want. That's Jim Harbaugh at UC San Diego. That's Urban Meyer at Utah.
This is going to be a train wreck of epic proportions for the Horns.
"We are really excited about James Franklin, welcome to Austin!"
Is Franklin a good coach? Yes, he is. But I'd wager a "princely sum" that the next ten years aren't going to be as good for Texas football as the last ten. Firing iconic coaches because they are in a dry spell doesn't work out all that well (Tennessee, TA&M, etc.)
So a guy that won 10 games in 10 of 16 seasons, a National title less than a decade ago (to go with a Rose Bowl win and another title game appearance), rebuilt the UT $$$ war chest up, etc. is going to be improved upon by the guy that got Vandy to 8 wins when Florida was down (Georgia is only quality win this year IMO) and to 9 wins without beating a ranked opponent all year?
He's a good coach, yes. But "he made Vandy competitive!" as a justification for the Longhorns job would be a little like saying Todd Graham deserves the USC (or UCLA
) job because Arizona State has been good for a couple years.ETA - I suppose the most surprising thing to me is that they don't already have someone lined up, signed, and delivered. Maybe they do. But a committee of 9 people with various leaks and whatnot is more of a circus then it should be.
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Missou fans had been calling for Pinkel's head... Until this year. He's also 61.If Vandy had done better this season people would be a lot more excited. This was a good year to make a move too, with a very weak SEC East. He's less of a rising star than Mizzou's coach Gary Pinkel IMO. Mizzou at least won their division after just two seasons in the SEC. Since 2007 he has three Big 12 North titles and one SEC East title. Why not him?But why not? I would be, over Jimbo for sure. When's the last time Vanderbilt has even been decent? Taking a team on the bottom of the totem poll in the toughest conference in the NCAA with virtually no recruiting compared to its opponents, and producing one winning season after another? That's the guy you want. That's Jim Harbaugh at UC San Diego. That's Urban Meyer at Utah.
This is going to be a train wreck of epic proportions for the Horns.
"We are really excited about James Franklin, welcome to Austin!"
Doesn't look like Texas is going to get the big name they wanted.
Battles
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Agree with this. I joked earlier about Franchione, but Texas is going to be in the same situation as the Aggies were when Slocum was kicked to the curb. I think it's going to be the second or third coach that brings them back. The Aggies got incredibly lucky to get Sumlin and kicked a pretty good coach, Sherman, out the door to get him.I know this is going to come as a surprise, but you have no idea what you are talking about.But why not? I would be, over Jimbo for sure. When's the last time Vanderbilt has even been decent? Taking a team on the bottom of the totem poll in the toughest conference in the NCAA with virtually no recruiting compared to its opponents, and producing one winning season after another? That's the guy you want. That's Jim Harbaugh at UC San Diego. That's Urban Meyer at Utah.
This is going to be a train wreck of epic proportions for the Horns.
"We are really excited about James Franklin, welcome to Austin!"
Is Franklin a good coach? Yes, he is. But I'd wager a "princely sum" that the next ten years aren't going to be as good for Texas football as the last ten. Firing iconic coaches because they are in a dry spell doesn't work out all that well (Tennessee, TA&M, etc.)
So a guy that won 10 games in 10 of 16 seasons, a National title less than a decade ago (to go with a Rose Bowl win and another title game appearance), rebuilt the UT $$$ war chest up, etc. is going to be improved upon by the guy that got Vandy to 8 wins when Florida was down (Georgia is only quality win this year IMO) and to 9 wins without beating a ranked opponent all year?
He's a good coach, yes. But "he made Vandy competitive!" as a justification for the Longhorns job would be a little like saying Todd Graham deserves the USC (or UCLA
timschochet
Footballguy
Its very rare to hire a great coach who is already a great coach. Usually they start out as good coaches somewhere else and then demonstrate their greatness when they reach the elite program. The greatest coach in Texas history, Darrell Royal, is only one example of many. And it took him several years. It took John Wooden even longer. Neither coach would likely survive the pressure today to last long enough to become elite coaches. Franklin is a good coach with potential to be a great coach with better talent. That's exactly the sort of guy you want. Of course it's no guarantee, but it's worth a shot.I know this is going to come as a surprise, but you have no idea what you are talking about.But why not? I would be, over Jimbo for sure. When's the last time Vanderbilt has even been decent? Taking a team on the bottom of the totem poll in the toughest conference in the NCAA with virtually no recruiting compared to its opponents, and producing one winning season after another? That's the guy you want. That's Jim Harbaugh at UC San Diego. That's Urban Meyer at Utah.
This is going to be a train wreck of epic proportions for the Horns.
"We are really excited about James Franklin, welcome to Austin!"
Is Franklin a good coach? Yes, he is. But I'd wager a "princely sum" that the next ten years aren't going to be as good for Texas football as the last ten. Firing iconic coaches because they are in a dry spell doesn't work out all that well (Tennessee, TA&M, etc.)
So a guy that won 10 games in 10 of 16 seasons, a National title less than a decade ago (to go with a Rose Bowl win and another title game appearance), rebuilt the UT $$$ war chest up, etc. is going to be improved upon by the guy that got Vandy to 8 wins when Florida was down (Georgia is only quality win this year IMO) and to 9 wins without beating a ranked opponent all year?
He's a good coach, yes. But "he made Vandy competitive!" as a justification for the Longhorns job would be a little like saying Todd Graham deserves the USC (or UCLA
timschochet
Footballguy
Want to know the next relatively unknown guy who could be the next Jim Harbaugh or Urban Meyer? Craig Bohl. Just hired by Wyoming. Watch the Cowboys start to win football games over the next few years. Then the big schools will be forced to compete for his services and wish they had hired him earlier.
Clifford
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Recent examples in college:Its very rare to hire a great coach who is already a great coach. Usually they start out as good coaches somewhere else and then demonstrate their greatness when they reach the elite program. The greatest coach in Texas history, Darrell Royal, is only one example of many. And it took him several years. It took John Wooden even longer. Neither coach would likely survive the pressure today to last long enough to become elite coaches.Franklin is a good coach with potential to be a great coach with better talent. That's exactly the sort of guy you want. Of course it's no guarantee, but it's worth a shot.I know this is going to come as a surprise, but you have no idea what you are talking about.But why not? I would be, over Jimbo for sure. When's the last time Vanderbilt has even been decent? Taking a team on the bottom of the totem poll in the toughest conference in the NCAA with virtually no recruiting compared to its opponents, and producing one winning season after another? That's the guy you want. That's Jim Harbaugh at UC San Diego. That's Urban Meyer at Utah.
This is going to be a train wreck of epic proportions for the Horns.
"We are really excited about James Franklin, welcome to Austin!"
Is Franklin a good coach? Yes, he is. But I'd wager a "princely sum" that the next ten years aren't going to be as good for Texas football as the last ten. Firing iconic coaches because they are in a dry spell doesn't work out all that well (Tennessee, TA&M, etc.)
So a guy that won 10 games in 10 of 16 seasons, a National title less than a decade ago (to go with a Rose Bowl win and another title game appearance), rebuilt the UT $$$ war chest up, etc. is going to be improved upon by the guy that got Vandy to 8 wins when Florida was down (Georgia is only quality win this year IMO) and to 9 wins without beating a ranked opponent all year?
He's a good coach, yes. But "he made Vandy competitive!" as a justification for the Longhorns job would be a little like saying Todd Graham deserves the USC (or UCLA
Bama hired Saban, who had already won a national title with LSU
Ohio State hired Urban Meyer, who had three national titles with Florida
University of South Carolina hired Steve Spurrier, who had a national title and several SEC titles with Florida
And one guy that would make tons of sense and is already a great coach is Art Briles. Really don't understand why they have not done that yet.
bentley
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Shaggy crowd definitely rates Briles and Strong above the return of the Mack. All over the place on Franklin.
Inside Texas guys are still pushing Saban behind the paywall. I think its because they put their flag in the ground on it and aren't willing to admit defeat.
My people say there are both BOR issues and "Mack hanging around and looking over the new guy's shoulder issues" that need to be resolved before this deal is done. And also that this attention on the advisory committee is way overblown.
Inside Texas guys are still pushing Saban behind the paywall. I think its because they put their flag in the ground on it and aren't willing to admit defeat.
My people say there are both BOR issues and "Mack hanging around and looking over the new guy's shoulder issues" that need to be resolved before this deal is done. And also that this attention on the advisory committee is way overblown.
Joe Summer
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If that's true, then it just goes to show how delusional the Texas fanbase is.
Clifford
Footballguy
I found it interesting in his post-game presser that he couldn't pull himself out of next season mentally: used a lot of we and taiked about team priorities for next year.
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I honestly don't think Bohl wants the extreme national spotlight that some of the upper tier schools have. He would have been a strong candidate for some bigger-name jobs than Wyoming this year, if he wanted that.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Why not go after Shiano? Too....yankee?
Battles
Footballguy
I'm sure the Shiano show on the LHN would be grrrrrrrreat!
UT has to have someone with charisma to pull off all the politics needed to run the program. They won't find someone better than Mack at that., but Shiano is the exact opposite of Mack.
gump
Footballguy
What are the details on that?I'm not convinced Fisher signing a contract alone means it's completely over. Reportedly there is no buyout...which is strange. And he and Sexton are in a better negotiating position.
Although signing an extension then leaving a few weeks later is rare.
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gump
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It's not true. They think Mack had gotten lazy and comfortable, as hard as it is for some to believe here.
Abraham
Footballguy
No offense, but where are you gleaning this from? No one questioned his work ethic - they questioned why top recruits were being missed on and why the team was so thoroughly outclassed on game day.
Homer J Simpson
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Headline: UT fans shocked by Vince Lombardi's refusal to rise from dead and coach Longhorns.
gump
Footballguy
Feedback from the school...boards...I have a financial interest in this, so have spent a lot of time following it.
Maybe Bentley will disagree.
bentley
Footballguy
The "vocal minority" who are "not friends of the program" (according to Mack) and are secretly either "Aggies or Al Qaeda" (according to Jamail) absolutely think that Mack has gotten fat and lazy.
For an example one only needs to look to three weeks ago when Mack said he was "killing himself" on the recruiting trail in Florida when he was really doing what others would consider standard duty for a big time college football coach.
For an example one only needs to look to three weeks ago when Mack said he was "killing himself" on the recruiting trail in Florida when he was really doing what others would consider standard duty for a big time college football coach.
Premier
Footballguy
Don't know the details.
Jimbo isn't going to announce an extension and then leave a few weeks later. That doesn't make any sense. Everybody knows the Texas job is available. If he wanted it he wouldn't be making this announcement today.
gump
Footballguy
bentley
Footballguy
Awesome. Mack Brown told Sean Adams, who's one of the ### kissingest guys in the local market, that he "needed to be nicer to the next guy" last night.
So glad he's gone.
As a bonus, Sean Adams is also gone as of this afternoon. New ownership at the local ESPN affiliate gave him the boot.
So glad he's gone.
As a bonus, Sean Adams is also gone as of this afternoon. New ownership at the local ESPN affiliate gave him the boot.
One thing standing in the way is the fact that Briles is coaching in the Fiesta Bowl tomorrow night.Clifford said:Recent examples in college:timschochet said:Its very rare to hire a great coach who is already a great coach. Usually they start out as good coaches somewhere else and then demonstrate their greatness when they reach the elite program. The greatest coach in Texas history, Darrell Royal, is only one example of many. And it took him several years. It took John Wooden even longer. Neither coach would likely survive the pressure today to last long enough to become elite coaches.Franklin is a good coach with potential to be a great coach with better talent. That's exactly the sort of guy you want. Of course it's no guarantee, but it's worth a shot.Abraham said:I know this is going to come as a surprise, but you have no idea what you are talking about.timschochet said:But why not? I would be, over Jimbo for sure. When's the last time Vanderbilt has even been decent? Taking a team on the bottom of the totem poll in the toughest conference in the NCAA with virtually no recruiting compared to its opponents, and producing one winning season after another? That's the guy you want. That's Jim Harbaugh at UC San Diego. That's Urban Meyer at Utah.Abraham said:Ramblin Wreck said:
This is going to be a train wreck of epic proportions for the Horns.
"We are really excited about James Franklin, welcome to Austin!"
Is Franklin a good coach? Yes, he is. But I'd wager a "princely sum" that the next ten years aren't going to be as good for Texas football as the last ten. Firing iconic coaches because they are in a dry spell doesn't work out all that well (Tennessee, TA&M, etc.)
So a guy that won 10 games in 10 of 16 seasons, a National title less than a decade ago (to go with a Rose Bowl win and another title game appearance), rebuilt the UT $$$ war chest up, etc. is going to be improved upon by the guy that got Vandy to 8 wins when Florida was down (Georgia is only quality win this year IMO) and to 9 wins without beating a ranked opponent all year?
He's a good coach, yes. But "he made Vandy competitive!" as a justification for the Longhorns job would be a little like saying Todd Graham deserves the USC (or UCLA
Bama hired Saban, who had already won a national title with LSU
Ohio State hired Urban Meyer, who had three national titles with Florida
University of South Carolina hired Steve Spurrier, who had a national title and several SEC titles with Florida
And one guy that would make tons of sense and is already a great coach is Art Briles. Really don't understand why they have not done that yet.
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Yeah, I think the size of the pedestal UT's been put on recently is getting a little ridiculous. Sure, they're one of the best programs around. But this we can just throw out some money and people will come running mentality is getting out of hand. Truth is, UT could buy and sell OU at its whim. But UT is OU's ##### more often than not.Homer J Simpson said:
timschochet
Footballguy
I had no idea if this statement was right or wrong, so I decided to check it out on Wiki. Turns out you're not accurate:
Texas leads the all-time series 60–43–5, with a 47–39–4 edge in Dallas.
culdeus
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Since 1971, Oklahoma is 22-18-3. I don't see that as being especially dominant. And why is 1971 the cutoff?
culdeus
Footballguy
Well, really it's 1973 they like to count up from. But they round in from 1971 because they won 71 and 72. It's when NCAA stepped in to start limiting scholarships.
OU: More National Championships. More Conference Championships. Better overall winning percentage. More weeks ranked. More weeks ranked higher. More weeks ranked No. 1. More All Americans. More Heismans. More 10+ win seasons.
But the UT fans can hang their hat on their 42-19-2 record before color television.
But the UT fans can hang their hat on their 42-19-2 record before color television.
Abraham
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I live in Chicago. I guess only UT fans are stupid enough to think they can't leave the state.
bentley
Footballguy
What the ####? How did this happen in here?
Let's focus on the coaching search and how Mack Brown has one more conference championship than I do in 30 years of coaching (excluding Vince Young who was great enough in college that my dad could have won a title with him).
I didn't think it was possible to respect a Longhorn until I ran across you, GB.
I truly hope you get a worthy HC.
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Hunterbeer
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Nor does holding on to them for too long (Fla. State; Penn State). I love Mack. Appreciate EVERYTHING he did for the Texas program. That being said it does appear that a change is needed. This is four straight years of massive underachieving. This squad had everyone back and was looking to be a top 10 program. Not a 30-80th ranked program (and that might be generous.).Abraham said:I know this is going to come as a surprise, but you have no idea what you are talking about.timschochet said:But why not? I would be, over Jimbo for sure. When's the last time Vanderbilt has even been decent? Taking a team on the bottom of the totem poll in the toughest conference in the NCAA with virtually no recruiting compared to its opponents, and producing one winning season after another? That's the guy you want. That's Jim Harbaugh at UC San Diego. That's Urban Meyer at Utah.Abraham said:Ramblin Wreck said:
This is going to be a train wreck of epic proportions for the Horns.
"We are really excited about James Franklin, welcome to Austin!"
Is Franklin a good coach? Yes, he is. But I'd wager a "princely sum" that the next ten years aren't going to be as good for Texas football as the last ten. Firing iconic coaches because they are in a dry spell doesn't work out all that well (Tennessee, TA&M, etc.)
So a guy that won 10 games in 10 of 16 seasons, a National title less than a decade ago (to go with a Rose Bowl win and another title game appearance), rebuilt the UT $$$ war chest up, etc. is going to be improved upon by the guy that got Vandy to 8 wins when Florida was down (Georgia is only quality win this year IMO) and to 9 wins without beating a ranked opponent all year?
He's a good coach, yes. But "he made Vandy competitive!" as a justification for the Longhorns job would be a little like saying Todd Graham deserves the USC (or UCLA
ETA - I suppose the most surprising thing to me is that they don't already have someone lined up, signed, and delivered. Maybe they do. But a committee of 9 people with various leaks and whatnot is more of a circus then it should be.
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