As the Bears GM, if you could magically wave a wand with no cap implications or strings attached and put Brett Favre as the QB of the Bears, what would you do:
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Footballguy
This won't even be close.
lions327
Footballguy
I don't buy it. Maybe in the short term people wouldn't like it, but trust me, a Super Bowl or other sports championship will make people forget just about anything, including where a player previously played.
Really abrecher?You don't think something like the Johnny Damon trade would have worked the other way?I tend to think it'd be more like Terrell Owens going to Dallas.J
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DoubleG
Footballguy
Here, I agree with you. Most Bear fans that I know (and I am one and have lived in Chi-town my whole life - coming up on 4 decades), hate the Packers, but like and respect Brett Favre. What does he do that Bears fans can't hate him for?Play's hard *check* (Chicago fans would much rather root for a guy who gives a 110% than a talented player who gives 80% - we find it really easy to despise Randy Moss, for example)abrecher said:
Play's the game right *check*
Play's through pain/injury *check* (see Dan Hampton, Steve McMichael, Mike Ditka, as examples)
Is a classy guy *check* (see Walter Payton - although, Favre is not on THAT level yet)
What's not to like?
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snellman
Footballguy
As much as I, as a Vikings fan, hate the Packers and hate Brett Favre as a Packer, I would take him as a QB in an instant. I have alot of respect for him and for what he has done in his career.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
I'm on the fence. With that great D I'm not sure I'd want a lose cannon running my offense. Favre has the ability to snitch defeat from the jaws of victory. Obviously his skills are declining too. Not sure if the huge upgrade in leadership would be worth the risk and basically writing off Grossman to boot.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
It was bad enough when Edgar Bennett came over....there is no chance that I would welcome in Favre, even if it guaranteed a super bowl.
Besides Favre and Grossman are the same type of player.....Gunslingers that take chances. That is not the type of QB needed in Chicago.
Plus I could see random INT's throw to green bay.
Besides Favre and Grossman are the same type of player.....Gunslingers that take chances. That is not the type of QB needed in Chicago.
Plus I could see random INT's throw to green bay.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
One of the greatest passers in league history in place of the luckiest starter in the league last year?
How would this not be 100% in the affirmative?
How would this not be 100% in the affirmative?
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Rex Grossman had more TD passes last season(23) than the previous Bears QB's combined from the 2005 and 2004 seasons combined(20). I believe he is getting a horrible treatment. Is he the savior....no. Is he the best QB to come to Chicago since Erik Kramer of 1995....Yes.
Ned
Footballguy
corpcow
Footballguy
I guess it also depends on the future value right? I mean, if you're talking 2007, I would probably take Favre. But honestly, but how many quality years can he really have left? At this point, is it perhaps not better to take a chance with the young guy?
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
uwgb96
Footballguy
seriously?Speaking from the vantage point of a lifelong Bears fan I could not possibly be more thrilled than if there were a Favre for Grossman trade.
Grossman is an arrogant sub-par performer who was carried by a great defense. I would much rather have Griese under center than him.
On the other side I would love to see Favre go to an organization that he wasn't expected to carry. I think he would flourish and the Bears would make it back to the Superbowl with ease. Whether they would beat New England once they got there I'm not so sure about.
Just because there is no chance in hell that this would happen doesn't mean I'm not going to gratify myself sexually while imagining it.
Grossman is an arrogant sub-par performer who was carried by a great defense. I would much rather have Griese under center than him.
On the other side I would love to see Favre go to an organization that he wasn't expected to carry. I think he would flourish and the Bears would make it back to the Superbowl with ease. Whether they would beat New England once they got there I'm not so sure about.
Just because there is no chance in hell that this would happen doesn't mean I'm not going to gratify myself sexually while imagining it.
Will Grant
Prince of Insufficient Light
The biggest reason that I said no is not because Grossman is a better QB than Favre. It's because subbing in Favre for Grossman doesn't address the real ISSUE with the Bears - That they have no QB plans beyond the next five minutes.
I'd be shocked if ANY of the current Chicago QBS are on the team by the start of the 2008 season. Orton is a warm body who happens to have a winning record as a starter, Griese still thinks he's a starter and wants to be traded now and if Grossman falls flat this season, I expect he'll be cut loose by the end of this season.
Farve gives them an upgrade now but at the expense of the future.
I'd be shocked if ANY of the current Chicago QBS are on the team by the start of the 2008 season. Orton is a warm body who happens to have a winning record as a starter, Griese still thinks he's a starter and wants to be traded now and if Grossman falls flat this season, I expect he'll be cut loose by the end of this season.
Farve gives them an upgrade now but at the expense of the future.
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This one is easy if you ask me - Grossman inspires very little confidence, and he's just as loose a cannon as Favre - except when Favre throws it up for grabs, he's trying to make something happen. Rex does it just to avoid getting hit.
Quite a few Yankee fans were upset with the Damon signing too. More to the point, Damon had been with the Red Sox for only four years. Favre has been with the Packers for about 16 years. That makes a big difference. (BTW, I shouldn't have brought up A-Rod as an example; his situation is unique for a number of reasons.)Joe Bryant said:
corpcow
Footballguy
Yep. Honestly, the kind of guy they would do well with is someone like Pennington - not someone who has to win games himself, but doesn't make many mistakes. It's nice when you put up 30 pts, but how many games did Rex single-handedly lose last year? If your defense is your best asset, you don't need an offense that compromises that asset. Griese may in fact be the better option not because he's a better QB when playing well, but because he makes less mistaktes.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Grossman is just Favre without much of the "good" Favre stuff and lots of the "bad" Favre stuff.
Anyone that says that they wouldn't take Favre over Grossman is absolutely delusional IMO.
If nothing else, just having him there when he breaks the record for career TD passes would be huge. He's 6 shy of Marino now and the Bears play the Packers in the 5th game of the season. Can you imagine what it would be like if Favre was one shy of tied with the record and he was playing against the Packers?
Anyone that says that they wouldn't take Favre over Grossman is absolutely delusional IMO.
If nothing else, just having him there when he breaks the record for career TD passes would be huge. He's 6 shy of Marino now and the Bears play the Packers in the 5th game of the season. Can you imagine what it would be like if Favre was one shy of tied with the record and he was playing against the Packers?
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
To me, fans who care just as much about where players playing for rivals as much or more than they care about their own teams success are silly. As a Vikings fan, if the Vikes were in a position to compete right now, I'd take Favre over Jackson or Bollinger for this year. I would have taken Barry Sanders over the stiffs we had in his time. I would have taken Walter Payton. I would have taken the entire TB defense. The fact these players played for rivals do not matter as much as I want to see my TEAM win. And if a player for a rival would help that cause, then I'm all for acquiring that player.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Grossman is not a QB you want leading your team.
He can be adequate. But he will never be a preference.
He can be adequate. But he will never be a preference.
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
In this fantasy senario, it'd be pretty hard to say no. One year of no strings attached, no cap implication, no trading cost, Favre would be a good move.
Admittedly, I am a bit of a Grossman apologist. I do think that Grossman doesn't get a fair shake when it comes to criticism. People act like this guy can't tie his own shoes when the fact of the matter is he had a lot of very good games last year. Obviously he threw up a bunch of turds as well but for a young QB he had some success. Don't dismiss his chances to improve next year with Hester on offense and Olsen at TE.
Admittedly, I am a bit of a Grossman apologist. I do think that Grossman doesn't get a fair shake when it comes to criticism. People act like this guy can't tie his own shoes when the fact of the matter is he had a lot of very good games last year. Obviously he threw up a bunch of turds as well but for a young QB he had some success. Don't dismiss his chances to improve next year with Hester on offense and Olsen at TE.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
NFL QB >>>> Grossman
CalBear
Footballguy
If you need a better example, try that freakin' head-hunting dipwad Roger Clemens. I think the Yankee fans managed to forget his past pretty well after the World Series win.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
:( too true.1 > 0Even if Favre only has one good year left in him, he's got Grossman beat.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I disagree here. Grossman has already been the starter, to bring in Favre would be a clear indication the team no longer has confidence in him. Add to that Favre's unwillingness to mentor Rodgers, and I can't see how that move would do anything but signal the end for Grossman as a Bear.
mozzy84
Footballguy
as a viking fan where this team is at, I would not want to have to watch Farve in purple, no chance, I would rather watch a young guy struggle than his old ###.As much as I, as a Vikings fan, hate the Packers and hate Brett Favre as a Packer, I would take him as a QB in an instant. I have alot of respect for him and for what he has done in his career.
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Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Since he retired, I think the Ravens probably still own some rights to him. If you want Grbac, you're going to have to work some sort of a deal...like taking Boller too.
Yes Favre not a tutor at all. I guess I'm going under the impression that Grossman would be mature enough to realize that Favre is the better player, and at least by watching him for a year he could pick up some pointers.
Steel Mike Tomczak
Footballguy
Farve at 50 is better than Grossman in his prime.
trader jake
Footballguy
Most Bears fans are this unintelligent. Thankfully fans of other teams are voting in this thread.
corpcow
Footballguy
The only thing Grossman would pick up is how to take chances and throw INTs, and he seems to be doing a pretty good job of that on his own.IMO, Grossman would be better off learning from a guy who makes fewer mistakes than someone who is a freak gunslinger. Just saying.ETA: Also wanted to clarify "freak gunslinger" - I am using "freak" in a positive sense. Favre is a unique guy with his longevity and resilience, and I just can't see Grossman fitting that bill.
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I would also say Favre's toughness, poise in the pocket would be fairly usefull for Grossman to learn as well.
corpcow
Footballguy
Rex has missed more seasons than Favre has missed games. Favre is, as I said above, a freak. I don't think that type of longevity and toughness can be taught.
snellman
Footballguy
If it could guarantee that we would win the Superbowl with Favre would you say yes?as a viking fan where this team is at, I would not want to have to watch Farve in purple, no chance, I would rather watch a young guy struggle than his old ###.As much as I, as a Vikings fan, hate the Packers and hate Brett Favre as a Packer, I would take him as a QB in an instant. I have alot of respect for him and for what he has done in his career.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
1 > 0Even if Favre only has one good year left in him, he's got Grossman beat.
OK. So thats how it is, huh? 
I bet you all wrote off Rich Gannon when he played for Minnesota or Trent Dilfer when he played for Tampa too. Both went on to have long productive NFL careers. Most QBs need seasoning. Manning is the exception.
Do we get to magically wave a wand and make the Bears offense a west coast offense too? Or magically make Brett understand the Bears offense and cadence? Cause if not I would stick with Rex in a heartbeat. Hear that Mr. Wood?! A heartbeat!
:( I'll be happy when we lucky our way back to the superbowl this year too.And speaking of heartbeat, let just hope Brett still has one after the season. I don't know many guys can play after they reach 80. Just saying. Love Brett. Not many 80 year old QBs.
8-12 years of Rex>>>> 1 last retirement year of Brett.
PS You had me at hello.
trader jake
Footballguy
Last time I checked Rex Grossman only has one year remaining on his contract with Chicago.
Kind of takes the sting out of that "in the future" argument if he doesn't get the job done THIS year.
Kind of takes the sting out of that "in the future" argument if he doesn't get the job done THIS year.
Buttmonkey
Footballguy
Magic wand - you sicko
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Worst post I've seen all day. I will bet you ANY amount of money you'd like to lose that this year Favre doesn't score as many pts. in standard PPR format as the best season for the remainder of Grossman's career. To clarify - you're betting on Favre in '07 and I'm betting on Grossman for every year he's still on a roster. Name your price.1 > 0Even if Favre only has one good year left in him, he's got Grossman beat.
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