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Making A Murderer (Netflix) (Spoilers) (4 Viewers)

Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
He testified as to his connection to the crime.  He was there when she was.  This is a quote directly from State v. Denny.

And, of course, remains of the victim were found on Dassey's family property in a burn barrel owned by the family.  I don't think it should be hard to satisfy the general tendency test if the evidence is allowed.
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Proximity isn't enough.  This has all already been addressed in appeals;

"In reviewing Avery’s postconviction motion, the trial court noted that the proffered evidence might have been relevant as to opportunity, or more specifically proximity, but not probative given the lack of any direct or indirect motive to harm Halbach to support it.  We agree.  While Avery can point to various alleged facts regarding the proposed third-party perpetrators, none of the evidence is remarkable absent any meaningful evidence of a motive or a physical connection to the crime. "

 
parrot said:
Proximity isn't enough.  This has all already been addressed in appeals;

"In reviewing Avery’s postconviction motion, the trial court noted that the proffered evidence might have been relevant as to opportunity, or more specifically proximity, but not probative given the lack of any direct or indirect motive to harm Halbach to support it.  We agree.  While Avery can point to various alleged facts regarding the proposed third-party perpetrators, none of the evidence is remarkable absent any meaningful evidence of a motive or a physical connection to the crime. "
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Bobby's fascination with violent porn wasn't learned until after the appeals.

 
Politician Spock said:
Bobby's fascination with violent porn wasn't learned until after the appeals.
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It's still not remotely established that the porn can be traced directly, or exclusively, to Bobby as they claim.  Zellner was playing fast and loose with facts again, as she tends to do.  (Remember when Ryan Hillegas was the "real killer" according to Zellner? Fun times for that guy, huh?) 

But even so, the defense had the info.  They had the DVDs with the full contents of the computer hard drive, they had Fassbender's report saying that there was porn of the computer, and they also knew of the existence of the summary CD from the same Fassbender report. 

The porn is not new evidence, it's old evidence the defense chose not to explore when they had the chance.  

 
parrot said:
It's still not remotely established that the porn can be traced directly, or exclusively, to Bobby as they claim.  Zellner was playing fast and loose with facts again, as she tends to do.  (Remember when Ryan Hillegas was the "real killer" according to Zellner? Fun times for that guy, huh?) 

But even so, the defense had the info.  They had the DVDs with the full contents of the computer hard drive, they had Fassbender's report saying that there was porn of the computer, and they also knew of the existence of the summary CD from the same Fassbender report. 

The porn is not new evidence, it's old evidence the defense chose not to explore when they had the chance.  
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Are any of these things publicly available?  Violent porn could have a very large net. I mean the episode of deadwood I watched last night had a guy screaming at a woman's boobs and acting like he was choking them. Later in the show a guy got his eyeball ripped out. I wouldn't call that episode violent porn, but a lawyer certainly wouldn't get disbarred for calling that episode "violent porn". 

 
parasaurolophus said:
Are any of these things publicly available?  Violent porn could have a very large net. I mean the episode of deadwood I watched last night had a guy screaming at a woman's boobs and acting like he was choking them. Later in the show a guy got his eyeball ripped out. I wouldn't call that episode violent porn, but a lawyer certainly wouldn't get disbarred for calling that episode "violent porn". 
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Here is a pretty detailed list of it all, as well dates and times when a lot of it was accessed, which pretty much eliminates all the other computer users, as the times and dates lines up with Bobby's lifestyle and Bobby's only. No one else's lifestyle could possible result in those dates and times. It's actually pretty ridiculous for one to suggest it can't be traced directly to Bobby.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/a0xli5/using_exhibits_recently_filed_by_zellner/

The contents show a fascination with women, rape, mutilation and death. 

Also, in the hours after Teresa arrived at the property, Bobby's alibi is that he was hunting with Scott, who has his own history of violent behavior, having assaulted his mother. During the hours of their "hunting deer" Bobby made 4 phone calls, two of which are an hour before and an hour after the other two.

WTF makes cell phone calls while hunting deer?

And as I said in previous posts, he testified that he was the only one home from 6:30 am to 2:30 pm, and that he was sleeping that entire time. But yet, the computer has record of accessing the internet multiple times during that time. If he is home alone, and sleeping, how does that happen? So his testimony doesn't match the computer evidence. Either he wasn't sleeping, or someone else was there. Either way, why not tell the truth under oath?

 
Politician Spock said:
Here is a pretty detailed list of it all, as well dates and times when a lot of it was accessed, which pretty much eliminates all the other computer users, as the times and dates lines up with Bobby's lifestyle and Bobby's only. No one else's lifestyle could possible result in those dates and times. It's actually pretty ridiculous for one to suggest it can't be traced directly to Bobby.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/a0xli5/using_exhibits_recently_filed_by_zellner/

The contents show a fascination with women, rape, mutilation and death. 

Also, in the hours after Teresa arrived at the property, Bobby's alibi is that he was hunting with Scott, who has his own history of violent behavior, having assaulted his mother. During the hours of their "hunting deer" Bobby made 4 phone calls, two of which are an hour before and an hour after the other two.

WTF makes cell phone calls while hunting deer?

And as I said in previous posts, he testified that he was the only one home from 6:30 am to 2:30 pm, and that he was sleeping that entire time. But yet, the computer has record of accessing the internet multiple times during that time. If he is home alone, and sleeping, how does that happen? So his testimony doesn't match the computer evidence. Either he wasn't sleeping, or someone else was there. Either way, why not tell the truth under oath?
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Those search terms are messed up. Did she include the images that were opened with those searches? There are only a few pictures in that reddit thread, but there were like 200 sicko searches listed. 

 
Politician Spock said:
 It's actually pretty ridiculous for one to suggest it can't be traced directly to Bobby.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/a0xli5/using_exhibits_recently_filed_by_zellner/
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Please.  Many of the searches - and particularly several of the more disturbing ones - occurred on weekends and at times of day that weren't exclusive to Bobby.  Several took place during the summer months. It also presumes that neither of the other Dassey boys ever missed a day or two of school even though even though they don't seem to be honor students.  They maybe Bobby's, but that's far from conclusively established.  

You want to talk "ridiculous"? Ridiculous is claiming that Bobby's internet searches (if they are his) give a "stronger" motive to commit this murder than a guy with a history of animal cruelty, violence against women, death threats against women, multiple allegations of sexual assault (including against a minor relative), complaints of public indecency /masturbation, and who once actually TRIED TO ABDUCT A WOMAN AT GUNPOINT. That's ridiculous. It would be ridiculous even if Steven hadn't done things like ask for Teresa specifically and call her multiple times that day while trying to disguise his number.   

 
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https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/771487/making-a-murderer-lawyer-bobby-computer-porn-brendan-dassey-steven-avery-suspects

Avery’s new lawyer Kathleen Zellner has alleged evidence of Bobby Dassey searching for "images of Ms. Halbach, violent pornography and dead bodies of young females".  Her claim came a decade after Avery and Brendan were convicted of Ms Halbach’s murder in 2007, as detailed by Netflix hit documentary Making a Murderer.  And Jerry Buting – who represented Avery in the trial – told Daily Star Online this discovery suggests the duo’s convictions were "absolutely a cover-up, no question".

He claims he and co-counsel, Dean Strang, were falsely led to believe the computer contents had been searched by Brendan.  But because this was NOT used against Brendan in the trial, it led Mr Buting to suspect foul play by Manitowoc County Police.  Mr Buting told Daily Star Online: "It was absolutely a cover-up, no question, this was a cover-up on that because they deliberately did what is famously called a discovery dump.

"They sent a thousand pages or something, a whole bunch to us six weeks before the trial, right before Christmas, and this report was one page buried in the middle of that. 

"Then they tried to fool us by calling it Brendan Dassey's computer."

“Well they knew, they absolutely knew it was not Brendan Dassey's computer and the way we know that is, four months later, when they tried Brendan's case, they never used that evidence against him at all”

"If they thought he was the one doing those searches for decapitated women, and murder, porn, and all that stuff they would have used it for sure against him and they didn't."

"So they absolutely knew what they were doing and in this failure to even book it into evidence, because they knew we were going through the evidence, was not a mistake, that was deliberate."

// Not sure I agree with this article's representation of Buting's views.  But Manitowoc definitely tried to bury the decapitation/murder porn stuff that would incriminate a key witness.  

 
parrot said:
Please.  Many of the searches - and particularly several of the more disturbing ones - occurred on weekends and at times of day that weren't exclusive to Bobby.  Several took place during the summer months. It also presumes that neither of the other Dassey boys ever missed a day or two of school even though even though they don't seem to be honor students.  They maybe Bobby's, but that's far from conclusively established.  

You want to talk "ridiculous"? Ridiculous is claiming that Bobby's internet searches (if they are his) give a "stronger" motive to commit this murder than a guy with a history of animal cruelty, violence against women, death threats against women, multiple allegations of sexual assault (including against a minor relative), complaints of public indecency /masturbation, and who once actually TRIED TO ABDUCT A WOMAN AT GUNPOINT. That's ridiculous. It would be ridiculous even if Steven hadn't done things like ask for Teresa specifically and call her multiple times that day while trying to disguise his number.   
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Many of the searches were at times that only Bobby could have done them. So at best Bobby's argument is that he's not the only scumbag using the computer. 

 
ren hoek said:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/771487/making-a-murderer-lawyer-bobby-computer-porn-brendan-dassey-steven-avery-suspects 
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Interesting. 

I'm sure I read this nugget at some point, but if he did sell it and did not destroy it, definitely seems like a possible lead that could track down, do some ballistics testing, etc:

”And – importantly – that Scott was hurriedly trying to sell at work the exact same model .22 cal rifle that was claimed to be the murder weapon just after Brendan was arrested."
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this freaking woman needs to go away.  it's long been clear that his is more a publicity grab for her than anything. it's shameful at this point.

https://www.wbay.com/content/news/MAKING-A-MURDERER-Averys-defense-attorney-says-big-announcement-expected-Monday-559694931.html

Steven Avery's attorney says a $100,000 reward is being offered for "the arrest and conviction of the real killer of Teresa Halbach."

Kathleen Zellner tweeted the reward information Monday morning after teasing a "big announcement" was coming in the Steven Avery case.

 
mr. furley said:
this freaking woman needs to go away.  it's long been clear that his is more a publicity grab for her than anything. it's shameful at this point.

https://www.wbay.com/content/news/MAKING-A-MURDERER-Averys-defense-attorney-says-big-announcement-expected-Monday-559694931.html

Steven Avery's attorney says a $100,000 reward is being offered for "the arrest and conviction of the real killer of Teresa Halbach."

Kathleen Zellner tweeted the reward information Monday morning after teasing a "big announcement" was coming in the Steven Avery case.
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just to clarify:

Kathleen Zellner

@ZellnerLaw

The Reward offer has nothing to do with the merits of Avery’s appeal which will be filed on 10/10. The law firm is not offering a reward a private individual is funding the reward. Numerous cases have been solved by reward offers. #MakingAMurderer2
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but yeah, to tease this as a huge announcement was bush league

 
i mean, she's even tagged this as an attempt to "find the real killers". 

OJ already has that copyright.

which reminds me of a tweet i saw the other day that went "OJ out here tweeting like he didn't really kill 2 people. i want to be that at peace with my decisions one day."

 
mr. furley said:
which reminds me of a tweet i saw the other day that went "OJ out here tweeting like he didn't really kill 2 people. i want to be that at peace with my decisions one day."
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There was a documentary by a private investigator that rounded up quite a bit of evidence that LAPD ignored.  It makes a compelling case that OJ didn't do it, but knew who did.  

Here's a link- it's well worth your time.  

 
I honestly respected Zellner's approach, her dogged determinism, and her faith in her client. I do think there are enough holes in both Avery's and Dassey's case that cause reasonable doubt.

But that respect is a little tarnished with this media play. One one hand, it is a little sad that it seems like a desperate last gasp effort. On the other hand, it's sad to have positioned this as a "big announcement" to the case.

 
mr. furley said:
2 views? me and you?
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I watched it years and years ago on youtube, but at some point or another it was removed.  I'd looked for it off and on again for several years.  I couldn't even find a place to buy it outright from Dear himself.  

It finally resurfaced on a website called 153news.net when I did a search for it.  I downloaded it as soon as I saw it.  Didn't really feel comfortable linking to that site there's a lot of truthery/superweird conspiracytalk on there and just uploaded it to one of my yt accounts instead.  It's good, enjoy!  

 
I am not taking a position on this, but there is no doubt that these Viking hillbillies aren't going to let go.  

That judge isn't qualified to teach high school civics.   

 
ren hoek said:
I watched it years and years ago on youtube, but at some point or another it was removed.  I'd looked for it off and on again for several years.  I couldn't even find a place to buy it outright from Dear himself.  

It finally resurfaced on a website called 153news.net when I did a search for it.  I downloaded it as soon as I saw it.  Didn't really feel comfortable linking to that site there's a lot of truthery/superweird conspiracytalk on there and just uploaded it to one of my yt accounts instead.  It's good, enjoy!  
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Little juice did it?
 
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heard on the news that Zellner is dismissing this guy's claim to be the real killer as "a publicity stunt".

EL OH ####### EL

 
mr. furley said:
heard on the news that Zellner is dismissing this guy's claim to be the real killer as "a publicity stunt".

EL OH ####### EL
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Ya, I'm a believer in his innocence, and was in support of her efforts to get him exonerated, but posting a series of tweets mocking something as a publicity stunt was just poor form.

 
there are "click here" links that i didn't copy/paste but the article itself isn't blocked by a paywall or anything so if you're interested in reading the petition or hearing the audio, click the link below

https://www.wbay.com/content/news/Making-a-Murderer-Brendan-Dasseys-attorneys-ask-for-clemency-561965921.html

WISCONSIN (WBAY) - Attorneys for Brendan Dassey are asking Wisconsin's governor to grant clemency to the man convicted in the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach.

Dassey attorneys Laura Nirider and Steven Drizin will hold a news conference at 10 a.m. to discuss the clemency request. Action 2 News will be there and carry it live online and on Facebook.

The case that shocked Northeast Wisconsin 14 years ago has since garnered international attention with the Netflix docu-series Making A Murderer.

On Oct. 31, 2015, freelance photographer Teresa Halbach disappeared after a trip to photograph a vehicle at the Avery Salvage Yard in Manitowoc County. Investigators say they found her remains in a burn pit on the Avery property. Steven Avery and his nephew, Brendan Dassey, were arrested and charged with Halbach's murder.

In 2007, a jury found Dassey guilty of 1st Degree Intentional Homicide. One of the key elements of the prosecution was a confession Dassey gave to detectives. Dassey's current legal team and critics claim Dassey's confession was coerced.

Dassey was 16 at the time of the killing of Teresa Halbach. His attorneys argue investigators used improper techniques while interrogating a juvenile with a low IQ. They say investigators made false promises to Dassey that he'd be released if he told them about the killing.

Dassey's legal team tells CBS News that they are petitioning Gov. Tony Evers to grant Dassey clemency. Dassey, now 29, appealed his conviction up to the United States Supreme Court. The high court declined to take up the case.

"Brendan Dassey was a sixteen-year-old, intellectually disabled child when he was taken from his school and subjected to a uniquely and profoundly flawed legal process. That process rightly sought justice for Teresa Halbach, but it wrongly took a confused child’s freedom in payment for her loss. Such a debt can never be justly repaid with the currency of innocence," reads the clemency petition.

CLICK HERE to view the full petition.

"This is his best shot, and the moment is now," says Laura Nirider, attorney for Brendan Dassey. "The moment is now for Brendan to come home."

Dassey spoke about the confession in the newly released Wrongful Conviction podcast. CLICK HERE to listen.

"I just wanted it all over with," said Dassey. "So, I said whatever they wanted to hear, you know?"

In April, Dassey sent a letter to Gov. Evers asking to go home. CLICK HERE to read the full letter.

"I am writing to ask for a pardon because I am innocent and want to go home. If I would get to go home, I would like to get a job involving video games. I would like to help take care of my mom and one day have a son and a daughter of my own," Dassey writes. "I would name my daughter Grace and my son Mizar which is the name of a star in the big dipper."

Dassey is currently serving out his life sentence at Oshkosh Correctional Institution.

Action 2 News has reached out to Gov. Tony Evers and the Wisconsin Department of Justice for comment.

Dassey's uncle, Steven Avery, was also convicted of 1st Degree Intentional Homicide. He continues to appeal his conviction. CLICK HERE for the latest developments.

Action 2 News has been following this story since Teresa Halbach disappeared in 2005. We will keep you updated on any developments in this case.

Breaking News: Convicted murderer Brendan Dassey’s attorney is going to file a petition with @GovEvers, asking for executive clemency to reduce his life sentence, for the murder of Teresa Halbach. We’ll talk to his attorney at 10 this morning. Stay with @WBAY for the latest.

— Brittany Schmidt (@BritSchmidtNews) October 2, 2019

 
I'm a guilter and I think he was involved, but I blame Steven for his involvement.  He's served 15 years and he was a juvenile.  I would be down with clemency if Brendan would just admit his level of involvement and ask for forgiveness and for time served.  Of course it's hard for him to do that with elements of the family still hoping to get Stevie's name cleared, which is never going to happen.  So Brendan continues to get screwed over by Steven.     

 
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https://www.wbay.com/content/news/Making-A-Murderer-Brendan-Dassey-ineligible-for-pardon-governor-says-566375801.html

the article:

MADISON, Wis. (WBAY) - Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers will not grant a pardon or commutation to Brendan Dassey for his conviction in the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach.

The governor's office and pardon advisory board sent a letter to Dassey, 30, and his attorneys stating:

"Unfortunately, we are unable to consider your application for pardon because you do not meet one or more of the required eligibility conditions."

The governor's office says those requirements are:

"It has not been at least five years since you completed your entire sentence for the conviction you want to be pardoned."

"You are currently required to register as a sex offender under Wis. Stat. 301.45."

CLICK HERE to read the letter.

Dassey's attorneys responded with a statement Friday afternoon saying the parole advisory board's decision "has caused pain to many around the globe," citing his international support from "more than 250 national experts and millions of ordinary people."

Attorneys Laura Nirider and Steven Drizin said Gov. Evers has the power to commute Dassey's sentence and they're ready to work with him to that end. The governor's office says Evers is not considering commutations at this time.

They added that Dassey is not giving up hope (read the complete statement below).

As Action 2 News first reported in October, Dassey's attorneys formally asked Wisconsin's governor to grant clemency to their client. The Dassey defense team asked Evers for two forms of relief--either a pardon or a commutation. A commutation would shorten Dassey's life sentence.

"Brendan Dassey was a sixteen-year-old, intellectually disabled child when he was taken from his school and subjected to a uniquely and profoundly flawed legal process. That process rightly sought justice for Teresa Halbach, but it wrongly took a confused child’s freedom in payment for her loss. Such a debt can never be justly repaid with the currency of innocence," reads the clemency petition.

The Dassey case gained international attention with two seasons of the Netflix docu-series Making A Murderer.

On Oct. 31, 2005, freelance photographer Teresa Halbach disappeared after a trip to photograph a vehicle at the Avery Salvage Yard in Manitowoc County. Investigators say they found Halbach's remains in a burn pit on the Avery property. Steven Avery and his nephew, Brendan Dassey, were arrested and charged with Halbach's murder.

In 2007, a jury found Dassey guilty of 1st Degree Intentional Homicide, Mutilating a Corpse, and 2nd Degree Sexual Assault/Use of Force. He was sentenced to life in prison with a chance at parole in 2048. One of the key elements of the prosecution's case was a confession Dassey gave to detectives. Dassey's current legal team and critics claim Dassey's confession was coerced.

Dassey was 16 at the time of the killing of Teresa Halbach. His attorneys argue investigators used improper techniques while interrogating a juvenile with a low IQ. They say investigators made false promises to Dassey that he'd be released if he told them about the killing.

Dassey attorney Steven Drizin says the Dassey confession tapes show evidence of police coercion that included "tactics that can be toxic and can produce false confessions."

"They pounded him with a steady drum beat of promises of leniency, saying he had nothing to worry about, everything was going to be OK, it was going to be alright. They'd stand by him, they'd be in his corner, they'd go to bat for him, they weren't going to leave him high and dry," says Drizin. "They lied over and over again about evidence, telling Brendan they already knew what happened when in fact they didn't."

No physical evidence tied Dassey to the murder. Dassey's attorneys believe he falsely confessed to being part of the crime.

"Not a single piece of evidence tied Brendan to this crime. No DNA, no blood, no hair, no fingerprints, nothing. Not in the [Teresa Halbach's] RAV 4, not in the [Steven Avery's] trailer, not in the garage, not in the burn pit, nowhere," says Drizin. "True confessors don't need help with their narratives."

Dassey was nearly released from prison after a federal magistrate overturned his conviction in August 2016. Judge William E. Duffin said repeated false promises by detectives, when considered with other factors like Dassey's age, intellectual deficits and the absence of a supportive adult, led him to determine that Dassey's confession was involuntary under the U.S. Constitution.

The state appealed the federal judge's ruling. Eventually, the case landed at the highest court in the land--the United States Supreme Court. The justices declined to hear Dassey's argument.

Dassey is currently serving his life sentence at Oshkosh Correctional Institution.

In April, Dassey sent a letter to Gov. Evers asking to go home. CLICK HERE to read the Dassey letter.

"I am writing to ask for a pardon because I am innocent and want to go home. If I would get to go home, I would like to get a job involving video games. I would like to help take care of my mom and one day have a son and a daughter of my own," Dassey writes. "I would name my daughter Grace and my son Mizar which is the name of a star in the big dipper."

More than 200 advocates signed a letter to Gov. Evers asking him to grant clemency to Dassey. The list of names included retired U.S. Government officials, state and federal prosecutors, legal advocates, psychological experts and exonerees. Notable supporter are Innocence Project co-founder Barry Scheck and Sister Helen Prejean. The anti-death penalty advocate's story is the focus of the movie "Dead Man Walking."

National advocates for people with disabilities also wrote to Gov. Evers in support of clemency for Dassey.

Dassey has also received high-profile support from prison reform advocate Kim Kardashian West. CLICK HERE to learn about Kardashian's interest in the case.

Dassey's uncle, Steven Avery, was also convicted of 1st Degree Intentional Homicide in the Halbach murder. He continues to appeal his conviction.

In October, Avery attorney Kathleen Zellner filed a 32,241-word brief asking the Wisconsin Appeals court to grant Avery a new trial or evidentiary hearing.

The state has until February 11, 2020, to submit its response.

Zellner tweeted, "Sad news!" in response to the letter to Dassey regarding his pardon.

Complete statement from Brendan Dassey's attorneys

"Today, only five days before Christmas, the Wisconsin Pardon Advisory Board chose to reject Brendan Dassey’s clemency petition in an unsigned form letter, without reviewing the petition on the merits.

Had the Board reviewed Brendan’s petition on the merits, it would have seen what more than 250 national experts -- and millions of ordinary people around the globe – see: a terrible miscarriage of justice.

Now 30 years old, Brendan Dassey has been imprisoned for thirteen years based only on a false confession that is inconsistent with the known facts of the case, has been disproven by DNA and forensic evidence, and was immediately recanted. That false confession was the result of a deeply flawed interrogation of a 16-year-old special education student with profound learning disabilities.

Although the Pardon Advisory Board has stated that it will not consider commutations, Governor Evers is not bound by those rules. He does have the power to issue commutations under the Wisconsin Constitution and should do so when, as here, courts fail to deliver justice. Our partners around the country stand ready to work with the Governor to develop an appropriate process for the review of commutation petitions.

In the meantime, we will continue to work, respectfully but relentlessly, towards the day when this Governor recognizes in Brendan Dassey the gentle, cheerful, and kind human being whom we have known for twelve years. A good teacher never forgets his most vulnerable students; a good Governor never forgets his most vulnerable citizens.

We spoke to Brendan this morning. While the Board’s choice today has caused pain to many around the globe, Brendan wishes to express his profound gratitude – and his Christmas wishes -- to his many supporters. He is not giving up hope, and neither are we." -- Laura Nirider & Steven Drizin
 
I am gonna read through this thread for giggles, but before I do:

Horrific the way they railroaded Brendan into the confession.  The kid though that if he told them what they wanted to hear he would go back to class.  Just awful, but 100x more awful that his own stupid lawyer was not even on his side, and 10000x more awful that "confession" was admissible.  

As for Kathleen, she is fantastic.  So what if she is a publicity seeker.  Without any of that Steven is guaranteed to rot in prison forever.  

Obviously the documentary is a biased approach, but wow that whole situation stinks 10x worse than the original railroading on the rape charge.  

The detectives fed Brendan info about the shooting being in the garage, and then magically AFTER that they use a bullet they found in the garage.  

They were just using the kid to get to Steven(whether they thought the kid did anything or not).  I wonder what would have happened if Brendan went with that story on the stand.  

 
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ghostguy123 said:
I am gonna read through this thread for giggles, but before I do:

Horrific the way they railroaded Brendan into the confession.  The kid though that if he told them what they wanted to hear he would go back to class.  Just awful, but 100x more awful that his own stupid lawyer was not even on his side, and 10000x more awful that "confession" was admissible.  

As for Kathleen, she is fantastic.  So what if she is a publicity seeker.  Without any of that Steven is guaranteed to rot in prison forever.  

Obviously the documentary is a biased approach, but wow that whole situation stinks 10x worse than the original railroading on the rape charge.  

The detectives fed Brendan info about the shooting being in the garage, and then magically AFTER that they use a bullet they found in the garage.  

They were just using the kid to get to Steven(whether they thought the kid did anything or not).  I wonder what would have happened if Brendan went with that story on the stand.  
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Railroaded confession with his own attorney as an accessory.

 
Wondering if they asked anyone if that was the actual key she used.  I mean, who carries just one key?  No house key?  No other keys?  Yeah I guess Avery could have just thrown the other keys away, but that means he planned to keep the car and use it????   And "hide" it on his property as the only car with a few branches covering it???

So weird

 
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