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[jgb95]

Jets | Mangini involved in previous taping incidences with Patriots

Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:47:53 -0700

Gary Myers, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini allowed the New England Patriots to use similar video camera tactics when he was the team's defensive coordinator, according to a source. "Here is the sad part. When Mangini was defensive coordinator for the Patriots, they were doing it. It's like crying wolf. He was a part of that mess. Now he's on the opposite side. Now he's saying they can't do it. Wait a minute. You were part of that staff. He's on the same team. He didn't go and tell Bill, 'We can't do that,'" the source said.

This is what I was thinking when it first came out.

If he's done it in the past he should have just shut his mouth!!!!!!!

If he thinks he's getting another job after this he's crazy. I can't imagine other coaches like tattle tales (sp?)

 

[Snotbubbles]

Jets | Mangini involved in previous taping incidences with PatriotsThu, 13 Sep 2007 10:47:53 -0700Gary Myers, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini allowed the New England Patriots to use similar video camera tactics when he was the team's defensive coordinator, according to a source. "Here is the sad part. When Mangini was defensive coordinator for the Patriots, they were doing it. It's like crying wolf. He was a part of that mess. Now he's on the opposite side. Now he's saying they can't do it. Wait a minute. You were part of that staff. He's on the same team. He didn't go and tell Bill, 'We can't do that,'" the source said.This is what I was thinking when it first came out.If he's done it in the past he should have just shut his mouth!!!!!!!If he thinks he's getting another job after this he's crazy. I can't imagine other coaches like tattle tales (sp?)

Yeah. Nothing like telling your boss what to do.

 

[Shiggy Shaol]

Another random thought (hijack) - how long were they doing this? How much did Charlie Weis benefit from this? Can ND get their millions back?

Apologies if this ND-based rant was already done by somebody else.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

How is this an indictment on Mangini? The fact that Belichek did this against his ex-employee who knows his tactics makes his act even more arrogant.

 

[Hammerage]

How is this an indictment on Mangini? The fact that Belichek did this against his ex-employee who knows his tactics makes his act even more arrogant.

Makes Belicheat look even more stupid since he has a private war with Mangini already. Wouldn't he at least thing Mangini might turn the tables on him in their fued?

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

If he thinks he's getting another job after this he's crazy.

Yeah, I'm sure Mangini's biggest concern is getting another Coordinator job...

 

[Ignoramus]

I don't see the problem with Mangini complaining about it.

If you work for a company that does illegal business practices and then you go to work for a direct competitor, I think you are within your rights to complain to regulatory agencies about your former employer.

The unethical/illegal behavior could have been a factor in your leaving that job.

 

[jgb95]

it should be as his team goes 5-11 this year.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

How is this an indictment on Mangini? The fact that Belichek did this against his ex-employee who knows his tactics makes his act even more arrogant.

Makes Belicheat look even more stupid since he has a private war with Mangini already. Wouldn't he at least thing Mangini might turn the tables on him in their fued?

Exactly my point. Except I don't think Belichek is stupid; I think he's arrogant and doesn't think the rules apply to him.

 

[jgb95]

I don't see the problem with Mangini complaining about it.If you work for a company that does illegal business practices and then you go to work for a direct competitor, I think you are within your rights to complain to regulatory agencies about your former employer.The unethical/illegal behavior could have been a factor in your leaving that job.

Yes it would be ok but it's also a weasel that uses that employer to get a head coaching job off your own cheating if he was doing it himself. I really liked Mangini and thought he was a stand up guy and was happy for him when he got his job. I honestly think he did this last year and this is the only reason he got the job and was looked upon as a genius. Now he's burning the guy who got him the gig and is going to play the victim now.

 

[ALF]

Ok maybe this was updated but the last I read the Jets didn't actually intiate the complaint about video tapping.

Also I am kinda of surprised since Mangini was a former Patriot employee that he did not anticipate the taping and planned for it.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

My take on this:

Mangini was aware that this was a tactic used by the Patriots.

Mangini made this clear to Goodell in the off-season

Goodell institutes a rule not allowing video camera's to be used to tape other teams, etc etc etc....

NFL officials check to see if BB still uses this technique in week 1

BB and the Pats get caught red handed by NFL officials (it wasn't a Jets security guard who confiscated the camera and video taped on the sidelines, think that all you want angry Pats fans)

The Pats and BB now look foolish about having been caught and try to spin it so that they were targeted rather then actually guilty of it.

But hey, thats just my view.

 

[TommyGilmore]

If he's done it in the past he should have just shut his mouth!!!!!!!

Ummmm.....when did HE do it in the past?Oh, his boss did it in the past. Well I guess that's the same thing then.

 

[dparker713]

My take on this:Mangini was aware that this was a tactic used by the Patriots.Mangini made this clear to Goodell in the off-seasonGoodell institutes a rule not allowing video camera's to be used to tape other teams, etc etc etc....NFL officials check to see if BB still uses this technique in week 1BB and the Pats get caught red handed by NFL officials (it wasn't a Jets security guard who confiscated the camera and video taped on the sidelines, think that all you want angry Pats fans)The Pats and BB now look foolish about having been caught and try to spin it so that they were targeted rather then actually guilty of it.But hey, thats just my view.

The rule was in place before last year. And you do realize that Mangini was on the defensive side and this tactic would be helpful to the offensive side, right?

 

[Reaper]

I don't see the problem with Mangini complaining about it.

If you work for a company that does illegal business practices and then you go to work for a direct competitor, I think you are within your rights to complain to regulatory agencies about your former employer.

The unethical/illegal behavior could have been a factor in your leaving that job.

Yes it would be ok but it's also a weasel that uses that employer to get a head coaching job off your own cheating if he was doing it himself. I really liked Mangini and thought he was a stand up guy and was happy for him when he got his job. I honestly think he did this last year and this is the only reason he got the job and was looked upon as a genius. Now he's burning the guy who got him the gig and is going to play the victim now.

You mean the year before right? So, He helped steal the opponents DEFENSIVE calls?

HMMMM....

Well, I'm not going to run around trying to defend the coach just cause he's the coach of my team and yeah, I can understand that Mangini is "The RAT" in all this like turncoat mobster.....

Then again, as a fan, I don't care to much about future bridges and his next gig.

But, I think Charlie Weiss might have benefitted even more...... Sheesh Notre Dame isn't looking that good and who got paid like he got paid....

Hey, let them all Burn.....

If the coach of my team CHEATED, let him fry.

 

[humphrp]

I may be misinformed but I thought that they tape the opposing defense's signs to use for offensive play calling, not the taping opposing offenses to use for defensive play calling. This would mean that Mangini may have had very little to do with the taping, because his play calling would have not benefitted from it.

Sorry for the apparent repeat. Reaper was too quick on the draw!!

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Worst thread ever

 

[Banger]

The first line of the post is totally ridiculous...Gary Myers, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini allowed the New England Patriots to use similar video camera tactics when he was the team's defensive coordinator, according to a source...

Ya, I'm sure he had an open dialogue with BB about their cheating and if he would have said something BB surely would have stopped. The dumbest thing I've heard...

As far as getting another job do you see people coming out of the woodwork to defend BB and the Pats. :crickets:

If Mangini continues to be a winning coach he will no problem whatsoever getting hired.

 

[Doug B]

As far as getting another job do you see people coming out of the woodwork to defend BB and the Pats. :crickets: If Mangini continues to be a winning coach he will no problem whatsoever getting hired.

Exactly. After a nice run with the Jets, Bill Polian -- for one -- would hire Mangini in a second.

 

[Reaper]

My only worry is that Mangini and Tony Soprano probably won't be having dinner together anytime soon.....

Unless

 

[B-Deep]

All this does is proves the pats have been doing this for most of their run as a Good Team, nothing like raising more questions about them

 

[NYCGangGreen]

My take on this:Mangini was aware that this was a tactic used by the Patriots.Mangini made this clear to Goodell in the off-seasonGoodell institutes a rule not allowing video camera's to be used to tape other teams, etc etc etc....NFL officials check to see if BB still uses this technique in week 1BB and the Pats get caught red handed by NFL officials (it wasn't a Jets security guard who confiscated the camera and video taped on the sidelines, think that all you want angry Pats fans)The Pats and BB now look foolish about having been caught and try to spin it so that they were targeted rather then actually guilty of it.But hey, thats just my view.

The rule was in place before last year. And you do realize that Mangini was on the defensive side and this tactic would be helpful to the offensive side, right?

Quite aware....thats why I stated he "was aware of the tactic"....not actually using it himself...and yes the rule was in place....but Goodell sent out a memo reminding organizations of this prior to the start of this season.Before you try and take me down, please comprehend my comments first.Thanks and have a great season.

 

[Pipes]

I don't see the problem with Mangini complaining about it.If you work for a company that does illegal business practices and then you go to work for a direct competitor, I think you are within your rights to complain to regulatory agencies about your former employer.The unethical/illegal behavior could have been a factor in your leaving that job.

This is a good analogy. What was Mangini supposed to do when he was an assistant? Turn his boss in? Challenge his boss? Either of those choices would've been career suicide so I don't fault Mangini at all for having knowledge of it or even participating it while he was with the Pats.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Thank God we have another thread on this.

 

[corpcow]

If he thinks he's getting another job after this he's crazy. I can't imagine other coaches like tattle tales (sp?)

I didn't know head coaches hired other head coaches.

 

[Kiddnets]

Good thing Mangini has a job with a team that has been dying for a young HC to grow with the next 10 years! Don't think he will have to worry about that!

Pats spin is in full mode - in my wildest dreams did I ever think an event could happen to tarnish the Pats entire legacy - I have to pinch myself - Christmas came early this year!!!!!

 

[Jayrod]

This is what I was thinking when it first came out.If he's done it in the past he should have just shut his mouth!!!!!!!If he thinks he's getting another job after this he's crazy. I can't imagine other coaches like tattle tales (sp?)

#1 - he was the subordinate to Belicheck at that time...it was BB's call, not Mangini's#2 - he was the defensive co-ordinator....how would he benefit from knowing what the other defense was doing?#3 - he is a head coach now.....don't think he has to worry about getting hired by another head coach anytime soonThis is either the stupidest post of the day or a great fishing trip.EDIT to add: #4 - they just got a letter before week 1 stating that teams were not to do this specific thing....the Jets obeyed, Pats didn't

 

[Blood Farmer]

Jets | Mangini involved in previous taping incidences with PatriotsThu, 13 Sep 2007 10:47:53 -0700Gary Myers, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini allowed the New England Patriots to use similar video camera tactics when he was the team's defensive coordinator, according to a source. "Here is the sad part. When Mangini was defensive coordinator for the Patriots, they were doing it. It's like crying wolf. He was a part of that mess. Now he's on the opposite side. Now he's saying they can't do it. Wait a minute. You were part of that staff. He's on the same team. He didn't go and tell Bill, 'We can't do that,'" the source said.This is what I was thinking when it first came out.If he's done it in the past he should have just shut his mouth!!!!!!!If he thinks he's getting another job after this he's crazy. I can't imagine other coaches like tattle tales (sp?)

Just another Danny Ford complaint."Hey, I'm a cheater but you are bad because you told on me."

 

[rascal]

Jets | Mangini involved in previous taping incidences with PatriotsThu, 13 Sep 2007 10:47:53 -0700Gary Myers, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini allowed the New England Patriots to use similar video camera tactics when he was the team's defensive coordinator, according to a source. "Here is the sad part. When Mangini was defensive coordinator for the Patriots, they were doing it. It's like crying wolf. He was a part of that mess. Now he's on the opposite side. Now he's saying they can't do it. Wait a minute. You were part of that staff. He's on the same team. He didn't go and tell Bill, 'We can't do that,'" the source said.This is what I was thinking when it first came out.If he's done it in the past he should have just shut his mouth!!!!!!!If he thinks he's getting another job after this he's crazy. I can't imagine other coaches like tattle tales (sp?)

So what if he was doing it. The fact is the league came out with a direct statement saying that this should not be done. And then the Patriots completely disregard that and go ahead and do it anyway. Not to mention the fact that he wasn't the head coach.

 

[rascal]

This is what I was thinking when it first came out.If he's done it in the past he should have just shut his mouth!!!!!!!If he thinks he's getting another job after this he's crazy. I can't imagine other coaches like tattle tales (sp?)

#1 - he was the subordinate to Belicheck at that time...it was BB's call, not Mangini's#2 - he was the defensive co-ordinator....how would he benefit from knowing what the other defense was doing?#3 - he is a head coach now.....don't think he has to worry about getting hired by another head coach anytime soonThis is either the stupidest post of the day or a great fishing trip.EDIT to add: #4 - they just got a letter before week 1 stating that teams were not to do this specific thing....the Jets obeyed, Pats didn't

 

[Blood Farmer]

I don't see the problem with Mangini complaining about it.If you work for a company that does illegal business practices and then you go to work for a direct competitor, I think you are within your rights to complain to regulatory agencies about your former employer.The unethical/illegal behavior could have been a factor in your leaving that job.

Yes it would be ok but it's also a weasel that uses that employer to get a head coaching job off your own cheating if he was doing it himself. I really liked Mangini and thought he was a stand up guy and was happy for him when he got his job. I honestly think he did this last year and this is the only reason he got the job and was looked upon as a genius. Now he's burning the guy who got him the gig and is going to play the victim now.

Let me get this right -- Belichick is a stand-up guy even though he cheats. Mangini "only" got the gig because of Belichick. Now my question -- Do they even teach logical reasoning in schools today?

 

[switz]

I don't see the problem with Mangini complaining about it.

If you work for a company that does illegal business practices and then you go to work for a direct competitor, I think you are within your rights to complain to regulatory agencies about your former employer.

The unethical/illegal behavior could have been a factor in your leaving that job.

Yes it would be ok but it's also a weasel that uses that employer to get a head coaching job off your own cheating if he was doing it himself. I really liked Mangini and thought he was a stand up guy and was happy for him when he got his job. I honestly think he did this last year and this is the only reason he got the job and was looked upon as a genius. Now he's burning the guy who got him the gig and is going to play the victim now.

Let me get this right -- Belichick is a stand-up guy even though he cheats. Mangini "only" got the gig because of Belichick's cheating. Now my question -- Do they even teach logical reasoning in schools today?

fixed... and yes that's a stupid line of reasoning, totally illogical. Never mind the assertion that Mangini is somehow responsible for Belichek's cheating...

 

[notapplicable]

Exactly. Not saying that it wasn't Eric's fault or anything, but if Billichik wanted to do it there is nothing that Mangini could have done about it.

 

[sheerterror]

As a former Patriots employee, Jets coach Eric Mangini must have known what was going on. So why didn't he have some kind of system of dummy calls set up to foul up the video surveillance?

"He did," says a former Patriots employee whose name cannot be used for obvious reasons. "He had three sets of signals being given, one real, two dummy. He had the same thing going when he beat the Patriots last year. But still, it means extra work, changing the way you prepare for a game. It means both clubs are not playing on the same level field, and that's what's wrong about it."

I asked the former Patriot, who knows the organization well, if Mangini could in any way be held responsible for being part of a system that encouraged cheating. He paused for a moment to decide how to get this right.

"You have to understand that organization," he said. "You have to understand how incredibly tight the ring is. Information is not just passed around. Even if you might be aware of something, you're not going to know exactly how everything works. Eric was an employee there. He was not privy to every decision. His own operation was clean. Sure, he knew other stuff was going on, but how was he supposed to handle it?

"The amazing thing is the incredible arrogance they showed, coming into Giants Stadium, facing an organization with all those ex-Patriots employees, and still trying to cheat.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...ting/index.html

 

[The Duff Man]

I haven't read ANY of these threads. Has anyone mentioned yet that Brady would be nothing if not for his cheating coach. Not to hard to spread the ball around and look like a god doing it when you know exactly where you can go with the ball prior to every single play.

 

[datonn]

Ok maybe this was updated but the last I read the Jets didn't actually initiate the complaint about video tapping.

Also I am kinda of surprised since Mangini was a former Patriot employee that he did not anticipate the taping and planned for it.

But if Mangini were REALLY smart, he would have both anticipated it AND allowed it to happen, since he likely knew that the practice would get Belichick into hot water if (WHEN) it came out. Heck, he could even have had people quietly working to make sure it got out too. Then, when the Patriots are back-pedaling and in hot water, you put up the "Duh, they were stealing our signals? Duh, I had no idea. Duh, isn't that cheating?!" ...and let "someone else" blow the whistle. Then just stand back and watch Rome burn without having to take the fall. That'd be the smart, sneaky, competitive way to go about it, anyway....

 

[NYCGangGreen]

I haven't read ANY of these threads. Has anyone mentioned yet that Brady would be nothing if not for his cheating coach. Not to hard to spread the ball around and look like a god doing it when you know exactly where you can go with the ball prior to every single play.

Brady is a damn fine QB, you can't take that away from him. Even if this helps to give some extra pass protection to him, he still needs to make the right read, not be affected by the chance the blitz isnt picked up, and make the throw.I'm a JETS fan, always have, always will be.....but I still have to give credit when it's due.This may be a low-life type of cheating that BB uses, but Brady is still a damn fine QB w/o it.

 

[corpcow]

I don't see the problem with Mangini complaining about it.If you work for a company that does illegal business practices and then you go to work for a direct competitor, I think you are within your rights to complain to regulatory agencies about your former employer.The unethical/illegal behavior could have been a factor in your leaving that job.

Yes it would be ok but it's also a weasel that uses that employer to get a head coaching job off your own cheating if he was doing it himself. I really liked Mangini and thought he was a stand up guy and was happy for him when he got his job. I honestly think he did this last year and this is the only reason he got the job and was looked upon as a genius. Now he's burning the guy who got him the gig and is going to play the victim now.

Uh... no.

 

[Shrek]

Like I said in another thread...

Myers doesn't quote a single named source in that article. Everyone is either "an ex-Jets source", "a coach formerly from the Jets", "an unnamed source", or "another coach in the league".

Hmm.

Let's see, I can either get an article written that actually names sources and has some meat to it, or I can whip some hearsay together in 2 minutes and get it in tomorrow's edition because this topic is blowing up right now. What should I do?

 

[corpcow]

I haven't read ANY of these threads. Has anyone mentioned yet that Brady would be nothing if not for his cheating coach. Not to hard to spread the ball around and look like a god doing it when you know exactly where you can go with the ball prior to every single play.

Brady is a damn fine QB, you can't take that away from him. Even if this helps to give some extra pass protection to him, he still needs to make the right read, not be affected by the chance the blitz isnt picked up, and make the throw.I'm a JETS fan, always have, always will be.....but I still have to give credit when it's due.This may be a low-life type of cheating that BB uses, but Brady is still a damn fine QB w/o it.

Exactly. It's an ADVANTAGE, but nothing more. It doesn't make Brady any less of a QB or Belicheck any less of a coach... but it does help them exploit those talents that much more. (This coming from another die-hard Jets fan).

 

[-OZ-]

I don't see the problem with Mangini complaining about it.If you work for a company that does illegal business practices and then you go to work for a direct competitor, I think you are within your rights to complain to regulatory agencies about your former employer.The unethical/illegal behavior could have been a factor in your leaving that job.

This is a good analogy. What was Mangini supposed to do when he was an assistant? Turn his boss in? Challenge his boss? Either of those choices would've been career suicide so I don't fault Mangini at all for having knowledge of it or even participating it while he was with the Pats.

Not at all. Even if he voiced his concern in meetings, he doesn't have to make it public. If something is going on, that isn't threatening lives, you voice your concern in the organization, but you don't necessarily have to be the whistle-blower. It's not like we're talking about stealing from the poor or enslaving children here. It's a game, it may have been against the rules, but Mangini or anyone else below the boss, didn't break my code of ethics simply by not going to the media here. BB appears to have, but it's on him.

 

[Tommy The Tuna]

There is just way too much time and words being spent on this topic nationally. You KNOW every team does this. I believe its good due dilligence. Just one more example of Belichek probably being better at utilizing the information to his advantage than all other mere mortals. Sign stealing is part of sports. The real loser in this story is Mangini. He broke the code of silence, and ratted on another coach. Its a punk move by an immature coach who received a head coaching job years before he should have (last year was a mirage. watch the record this year). I guarantee you more coaches in the league are pissed at Mangini for ratting than Belichek for videoing. Everybody likes to take down the king. Lots of people are having fun saying the Pats legacy is tainted, as if this is the difference that put them over the top. Puh-lease. The result here is the Pats now have a rallying cry and a chip on their shoulder (they love that) for this season. Should guarantee that 4th SB title. And a 1st round pick for a penalty (if they make the playoffs - a 2nd and a 3rd if they don't) is way too harsh of a penalty. (And wouldn't you rather lose a 1st instead of a 2nd and 3rd? I would). What happens to that pick anyway? The Jets get it? If it just disappears that means one less player getting a 1st round contract. Can't make the NFLPA happy.

 

[suchislife]

There is just way too much time and words being spent on this topic nationally. You KNOW every team does this. I believe its good due dilligence. Just one more example of Belichek probably being better at utilizing the information to his advantage than all other mere mortals. Sign stealing is part of sports. The real loser in this story is Mangini. He broke the code of silence, and ratted on another coach. Its a punk move by an immature coach who received a head coaching job years before he should have (last year was a mirage. watch the record this year). I guarantee you more coaches in the league are pissed at Mangini for ratting than Belichek for videoing. Everybody likes to take down the king. Lots of people are having fun saying the Pats legacy is tainted, as if this is the difference that put them over the top. Puh-lease. The result here is the Pats now have a rallying cry and a chip on their shoulder (they love that) for this season. Should guarantee that 4th SB title. And a 1st round pick for a penalty (if they make the playoffs - a 2nd and a 3rd if they don't) is way too harsh of a penalty. (And wouldn't you rather lose a 1st instead of a 2nd and 3rd? I would). What happens to that pick anyway? The Jets get it? If it just disappears that means one less player getting a 1st round contract. Can't make the NFLPA happy.

This is just classic! So much better than mere mortals, yet the ONLY one caught! I honestly have no love or hate for the Pats, but this certainly puts a cloud over their success in my mind. If you're so much better than the rest, why do you have to cheat?The rest of this post is not worthy of a reply, imo.

 

[az_prof]

I haven't read ANY of these threads. Has anyone mentioned yet that Brady would be nothing if not for his cheating coach. Not to hard to spread the ball around and look like a god doing it when you know exactly where you can go with the ball prior to every single play.

Brady is a damn fine QB, you can't take that away from him. Even if this helps to give some extra pass protection to him, he still needs to make the right read, not be affected by the chance the blitz isnt picked up, and make the throw.I'm a JETS fan, always have, always will be.....but I still have to give credit when it's due.

This may be a low-life type of cheating that BB uses, but Brady is still a damn fine QB w/o it.

The right read? He KNOWS THE DEFENSE. This means he doesn't have to read; he should know who will be single coverage or where the zone is. He still needs to do the physical part--complete the throw; but, it totally takes the mental part of reading a defense out of the equation. It definitely tarnishes Brady's record in my mind.

 

[Tommy The Tuna]

There is just way too much time and words being spent on this topic nationally. You KNOW every team does this. I believe its good due dilligence. Just one more example of Belichek probably being better at utilizing the information to his advantage than all other mere mortals. Sign stealing is part of sports. The real loser in this story is Mangini. He broke the code of silence, and ratted on another coach. Its a punk move by an immature coach who received a head coaching job years before he should have (last year was a mirage. watch the record this year). I guarantee you more coaches in the league are pissed at Mangini for ratting than Belichek for videoing. Everybody likes to take down the king. Lots of people are having fun saying the Pats legacy is tainted, as if this is the difference that put them over the top. Puh-lease. The result here is the Pats now have a rallying cry and a chip on their shoulder (they love that) for this season. Should guarantee that 4th SB title. And a 1st round pick for a penalty (if they make the playoffs - a 2nd and a 3rd if they don't) is way too harsh of a penalty. (And wouldn't you rather lose a 1st instead of a 2nd and 3rd? I would). What happens to that pick anyway? The Jets get it? If it just disappears that means one less player getting a 1st round contract. Can't make the NFLPA happy.

This is just classic! So much better than mere mortals, yet the ONLY one caught! I honestly have no love or hate for the Pats, but this certainly puts a cloud over their success in my mind. If you're so much better than the rest, why do you have to cheat?The rest of this post is not worthy of a reply, imo.

Yes the only one caught because he is the only one who had an immature punk coach go whining to the league about it. He really showed his mentor didn't he. Maybe he should try showing him that he can beat him out for the division or beat them in the playoffs. That didn't happen - won't ever happen.

 

[Fantaholic]

What are all you HATERS gonna have to talk about when the Patriots win the superbowl this year?

Because, the only thing more certain than the video evidence in this case is the fact that everybody was foaming at the mouth for a reason to take shots at the Patiots. Everyone wants to take down the King of the Hill.

 

[suchislife]

What are all you HATERS gonna have to talk about when the Patriots win the superbowl this year?

Because, the only thing more certain than the video evidence in this case is the fact that everybody was foaming at the mouth for a reason to take shots at the Patiots. Everyone wants to take down the King of the Hill.

Please explain...IF you're so much better then the rest, why cheat? Serious question. As I stated before I'm no hater nor fan. But whenever the Patriots Dynasty years are discussed in the futrue, there will always be that "Yeah but....". No denying it.We will never know for sure just how good those previous Pats teams were because it is now a fact, they cheated.

 

[Ghost Rider]

What are all you HATERS gonna have to talk about when the Patriots win the superbowl this year?

Because, the only thing more certain than the video evidence in this case is the fact that everybody was foaming at the mouth for a reason to take shots at the Patiots. Everyone wants to take down the King of the Hill.

No one is talking about the Colts, THE DEFENDING CHAMPS.

 

[Kiddnets]

What are all you HATERS gonna have to talk about when the Patriots win the superbowl this year?

Because, the only thing more certain than the video evidence in this case is the fact that everybody was foaming at the mouth for a reason to take shots at the Patiots. Everyone wants to take down the King of the Hill.

It would be the first clean championship they ever won so I would be impressed - dount it will happen though without help from your eye in the sky!"

Everything the Pats ever won is now tarnished - in the Court of public opinion - every court outside of Boston has found your team guilty. I would not be chest bumping but laying low in shame!

 

[Keys Myaths]

What are all you HATERS gonna have to talk about when the Patriots win the superbowl this year?

Because, the only thing more certain than the video evidence in this case is the fact that everybody was foaming at the mouth for a reason to take shots at the Patiots. Everyone wants to take down the King of the Hill.

This isn't the Jim Rome show, guy.