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Pennington's funk leads to doubts

BY TOM ROCK

Newsday Staff Writer

November 20, 2006, 10:20 PM EST

After a weekend in which dancing penguins ruled the box office, Eric "The Penguin" Mangini might have done some tap-dancing himself around the hottest topic in Jets-land.

"Chad's the quarterback right now," the coach said, referring to the struggling Chad Pennington, who threw a pair of game-busting interceptions in Sunday's 10-0 loss to the Bears and has 11 this season, one shy of his career high.

Mangini may have been emphasizing the first three words of that statement, but for a coach who tries to control every syllable of message that emerges from the franchise, it's the last two words that open some speculation about Pennington's future with the Jets -- both this season and beyond.

Mangini, who has shown a penchant for shuffling his starters and distributing playing time based on how well they practice, said the quarterback position is no different from that of cornerback or safety, to name two that have been adjusted during this season.

"If someone earned the opportunity and somebody clearly distinguished themselves, then just like any other position, it would be evaluated," Mangini said of what it would take for him to pull Pennington in favor of backup Patrick Ramsey or rookie third-stringer Kellen Clemens. "There's not a special set [of rules] for one position or another."

Although the coach may have hedged on a full-blown vote of confidence, he did say he is happy with a lot of what Pennington does and gave him dispensation on the Brian Urlacher interception as a "great play" by the defender. Especially pleasing, he said, are Pennington's decisions at the line of scrimmage when choosing between the run and pass plays at his disposal.

"There are a lot of things that Chad does that I appreciate as a coach, that I really respect," he said. "I think he does a nice job."

Lately, "nice" hasn't been cutting it. Pennington has totaled zero touchdown passes and seven interceptions in the last three Jets losses. Even in recent wins, he hasn't been sharp. He's thrown at least one interception in each of the last four games, the longest streak of his career. It's gotten to the point that the eternally optimistic Pennington is unsure how to handle the slump.

"Physically, I feel good, but mentally, experiencing this is something I haven't experienced in my career, the inconsistency part," Pennington said Sunday. "That's something that I'm dealing with, and looking forward to as a challenge, to really bounce back and make something good happen."

He'll have a decent chance at bouncing back Sunday against the Texans, who allowed J.P. Losman to pass for 340 yards and three touchdowns in a Bills victory two days ago. Houston is ranked 25th in pass defense and the following opponent, Green Bay, is ranked 31st. If Pennington is incapable of putting up strong numbers against those defenses, Mangini could begin to waver on his already teetering support.

The statistics are damning, but the eye also can see that the on-field relationship between Pennington and his receivers is off. They call it chemistry, a tough-to-define concept that has more to do with feeling routes than running them.

The chemistry was there early in the season when Pennington opened with back-to-back 300-yard games, but it has been in decline since the Cleveland game. Even Pennington's once-special bond with playmaker Laveranues Coles seems askew, especially after the receiver ran up to the passer after Urlacher's end-zone interception to emphatically draw attention to the fact he was open on the opposite side of the field.

"Chemistry is a thing that just doesn't come," receiver Jerricho Cotchery said. "Once you have it, you have to continue to work at it so you can keep it. Somewhere along the line, it just got lost."

Brad Smith, who has been on both sides of the equation as a college quarterback and now a receiver for the Jets, said chemistry has a flow. "At times it's probably not as strong as at others," he said. "It happens. A great team has the ability to still win during that time."

Whether Mangini planted a seed of doubt about Pennington's future or merely dropped an innocent colloquialism into an otherwise definitive statement, few Jets players were willing to do anything other than support Pennington.

"It's not a surprise," guard Pete Kendall said of the questioning of Pennington's performance by media and fans. "That's the nature of the beast. That's the way it goes around here. I didn't seem to hear too many complaints last week [after a win over the Patriots]."

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I haven't watched a complete Jets game this year, but the highlights I was seeing from last Sunday suggested to me that Chad's arm was as weak as ever. Have I got it wrong?

 
Pennington cannot make all the throws.. what is crazy to me is that Brees had a similar injury and has come back just as strong and Pennington somehow went from the weakest arm in the league to the weakest arm in both the NCAA and the NFL

 
Pennington cannot make all the throws.. what is crazy to me is that Brees had a similar injury and has come back just as strong and Pennington somehow went from the weakest arm in the league to the weakest arm in both the NCAA and the NFL
Well, what I was seeing from Sunday's highlights - including the "great play" by Urlacher, looked like a lot of the offense's problems stemmed from Chad's weak arm. Have Ramsey and Clemons shown that little so far that Penny's the best they can do? :o
 
Pennington cannot make all the throws.. what is crazy to me is that Brees had a similar injury and has come back just as strong and Pennington somehow went from the weakest arm in the league to the weakest arm in both the NCAA and the NFL
Well, what I was seeing from Sunday's highlights - including the "great play" by Urlacher, looked like a lot of the offense's problems stemmed from Chad's weak arm. Have Ramsey and Clemons shown that little so far that Penny's the best they can do? :o
So from evaluating a handful of plays you've determined that a QB has the weakest arm in the league? Hogwash.Saying Pennington has a weak arm, and that's the problem is the laziest kind of analysis there is. In 11 games this season, Chad has had a QB rating over 90 six times. What's bringing him down is the last few weeks. Against Cleveland, NE, and Chicago, he's had ratings of 21.1, 76.3, and 42.8. Of course, NE and Chicago are great defenses, so perhaps its not so wierd.What watching all the snaps in all the games tells me is that Pennington has been a little less accurate over the past few weeks. It's not just that his comp% has gone down. It's that he's overthrowing the ball, and suffering from interceptions of the sort where you overshoot your WR and the saftey picks off the ball. In addition, he's made a couple of questionable decisions, the INT on the pass intended for Baker being the most obvious one. It's not so abnormal for a player to go through a slump, and let's not forget that during this slump he's managed to beat NE for the first time in years. Unless he implodes, he's keeping the job, weak arm or not.
 
I've wathced most of the JETS snaps this year and I don't think that Pennington's

"arm strength" is driving his recent bad play.

I was at the Pats/Jets game 2 weeks ago and there 2 plays on which he had Coles open on deep patterns. On one throw Chad clearly overthrew Coles and on the other play he threw a hard pass if anything had a little too much on it as it appeared to go right threw Coles' hands (upon replay Coles should have made the catch).

The Urlacher interception had nothing to do with arm strength it was a simply an awful decision as Baker was smothered by a defender had the ball even gotten by Urlacher.

 
Pennington cannot make all the throws.. what is crazy to me is that Brees had a similar injury and has come back just as strong and Pennington somehow went from the weakest arm in the league to the weakest arm in both the NCAA and the NFL
Well, what I was seeing from Sunday's highlights - including the "great play" by Urlacher, looked like a lot of the offense's problems stemmed from Chad's weak arm. Have Ramsey and Clemons shown that little so far that Penny's the best they can do? :o
So from evaluating a handful of plays you've determined that a QB has the weakest arm in the league? Hogwash.Saying Pennington has a weak arm, and that's the problem is the laziest kind of analysis there is. In 11 games this season, Chad has had a QB rating over 90 six times. What's bringing him down is the last few weeks. Against Cleveland, NE, and Chicago, he's had ratings of 21.1, 76.3, and 42.8. Of course, NE and Chicago are great defenses, so perhaps its not so wierd.What watching all the snaps in all the games tells me is that Pennington has been a little less accurate over the past few weeks. It's not just that his comp% has gone down. It's that he's overthrowing the ball, and suffering from interceptions of the sort where you overshoot your WR and the saftey picks off the ball. In addition, he's made a couple of questionable decisions, the INT on the pass intended for Baker being the most obvious one. It's not so abnormal for a player to go through a slump, and let's not forget that during this slump he's managed to beat NE for the first time in years. Unless he implodes, he's keeping the job, weak arm or not.
I agree. I actually think - especially earlier in the year - his arm strength was better than in the past. A lot of that has been the apparent adjustments he made to his throwing motion in the offseason.What Chad has been struggling with lately are two things he's always been good with - accuracy and decision making. He never had a strong arm, but his game wasn't built on gunslinging so that was ok. Unfortunately, he's made uncharacteric mistakes especially in the red zone.I'm constantly amazed at the love/hate this city has. New York is a tough place to play - you should see the articles about Eli - I think the Post called him a complete bust. Earlier in the year, you couldn't hear anything but praises for Chad, and now he's the goat. As a Jets fan, I'm thrilled to be 5-5. The team is playing well and Chad HAS BEEN a big part of their success.
 
I've wathced most of the JETS snaps this year and I don't think that Pennington's "arm strength" is driving his recent bad play.I was at the Pats/Jets game 2 weeks ago and there 2 plays on which he had Coles open on deep patterns. On one throw Chad clearly overthrew Coles and on the other play he threw a hard pass if anything had a little too much on it as it appeared to go right threw Coles' hands (upon replay Coles should have made the catch).The Urlacher interception had nothing to do with arm strength it was a simply an awful decision as Baker was smothered by a defender had the ball even gotten by Urlacher.
That pass looked to me like it was thrown almost like a shot put and had nothing on it.
 
Pennington cannot make all the throws.. what is crazy to me is that Brees had a similar injury and has come back just as strong and Pennington somehow went from the weakest arm in the league to the weakest arm in both the NCAA and the NFL
Well, what I was seeing from Sunday's highlights - including the "great play" by Urlacher, looked like a lot of the offense's problems stemmed from Chad's weak arm. Have Ramsey and Clemons shown that little so far that Penny's the best they can do? :o
So from evaluating a handful of plays you've determined that a QB has the weakest arm in the league? Hogwash.Saying Pennington has a weak arm, and that's the problem is the laziest kind of analysis there is. In 11 games this season, Chad has had a QB rating over 90 six times. What's bringing him down is the last few weeks. Against Cleveland, NE, and Chicago, he's had ratings of 21.1, 76.3, and 42.8. Of course, NE and Chicago are great defenses, so perhaps its not so wierd.What watching all the snaps in all the games tells me is that Pennington has been a little less accurate over the past few weeks. It's not just that his comp% has gone down. It's that he's overthrowing the ball, and suffering from interceptions of the sort where you overshoot your WR and the saftey picks off the ball. In addition, he's made a couple of questionable decisions, the INT on the pass intended for Baker being the most obvious one. It's not so abnormal for a player to go through a slump, and let's not forget that during this slump he's managed to beat NE for the first time in years. Unless he implodes, he's keeping the job, weak arm or not.
The "weakest arm in the league" came from Righetti, a New Yorker who follows the Jets avidly. You'll note that I began my posts in this thread by asking whether my impressions were accurate. He said in essence that they were. As for QB ratings, Mark Brunell got Benched with a 90+ QB rating. :yawn: With today's pass-first offenses that rely upon shorter passes that can more consistently be completed, high QB ratings mean less than they ever have. We ought to multiply the QB ratings by yards per completion to get a better idea of how QB's are getting the number they're getting. Chad's only throwing for a mediocre 10.67 yards per completion BTW.
 
Pennington's funk leads to doubts

BY TOM ROCK

Newsday Staff Writer

November 20, 2006, 10:20 PM EST

After a weekend in which dancing penguins ruled the box office, Eric "The Penguin" Mangini might have done some tap-dancing himself around the hottest topic in Jets-land.

"Chad's the quarterback right now,"
I can't believe he chooses to start Chad while Joe Montana and Dan Marino are on the bench. Oh no wait, they have "no one" on the bench
 
The "weakest arm in the league" came from Righetti, a New Yorker who follows the Jets avidly. You'll note that I began my posts in this thread by asking whether my impressions were accurate. He said in essence that they were.
Coles may be the best WR right now at getting to a spot quickly on short routes. When he leaves or gets hurt, this matters. The rest of the time, it doesn't seem to at all IMO.
 
I said it in another thread, and I'll repeat it. That Urlacher INT was easy enough for any LB in the league to pick off- it had nothing to do with how great Urlacher was. It had everything to do with the fact that from the moment he got out from under center, Pennington was looking straight at Baker. He stared him down and forced the throw. I would personally welcome the change from Pennington to someone else, and not because he lacks arm strength. It's because he constantly throws the 3 yard pass expecting the receiver to do something with it, and because whenever he drops back he looks more nervous than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

 
I said it in another thread, and I'll repeat it. That Urlacher INT was easy enough for any LB in the league to pick off- it had nothing to do with how great Urlacher was. It had everything to do with the fact that from the moment he got out from under center, Pennington was looking straight at Baker. He stared him down and forced the throw. I would personally welcome the change from Pennington to someone else, and not because he lacks arm strength. It's because he constantly throws the 3 yard pass expecting the receiver to do something with it, and because whenever he drops back he looks more nervous than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
Agreed - I think most Jet fans realize that Chad is what he is - a smart QB with a lousy arm that manages the game well but just can't make the plays needed to be a great team. I am all for letting him finish the year year unless the JEts fall out of it - then seeing what Kellen can do.
 
Pennington cannot make all the throws.. what is crazy to me is that Brees had a similar injury and has come back just as strong and Pennington somehow went from the weakest arm in the league to the weakest arm in both the NCAA and the NFL
Well, what I was seeing from Sunday's highlights - including the "great play" by Urlacher, looked like a lot of the offense's problems stemmed from Chad's weak arm. Have Ramsey and Clemons shown that little so far that Penny's the best they can do? :o
So from evaluating a handful of plays you've determined that a QB has the weakest arm in the league? Hogwash.Saying Pennington has a weak arm, and that's the problem is the laziest kind of analysis there is. In 11 games this season, Chad has had a QB rating over 90 six times. What's bringing him down is the last few weeks. Against Cleveland, NE, and Chicago, he's had ratings of 21.1, 76.3, and 42.8. Of course, NE and Chicago are great defenses, so perhaps its not so wierd.

What watching all the snaps in all the games tells me is that Pennington has been a little less accurate over the past few weeks. It's not just that his comp% has gone down. It's that he's overthrowing the ball, and suffering from interceptions of the sort where you overshoot your WR and the saftey picks off the ball. In addition, he's made a couple of questionable decisions, the INT on the pass intended for Baker being the most obvious one.

It's not so abnormal for a player to go through a slump, and let's not forget that during this slump he's managed to beat NE for the first time in years. Unless he implodes, he's keeping the job, weak arm or not.
I agree. I actually think - especially earlier in the year - his arm strength was better than in the past. A lot of that has been the apparent adjustments he made to his throwing motion in the offseason.What Chad has been struggling with lately are two things he's always been good with - accuracy and decision making. He never had a strong arm, but his game wasn't built on gunslinging so that was ok. Unfortunately, he's made uncharacteric mistakes especially in the red zone.

I'm constantly amazed at the love/hate this city has. New York is a tough place to play - you should see the articles about Eli - I think the Post called him a complete bust. Earlier in the year, you couldn't hear anything but praises for Chad, and now he's the goat. As a Jets fan, I'm thrilled to be 5-5. The team is playing well and Chad HAS BEEN a big part of their success.
Well...for what Eli cost the Giants...I personally think he is a bust. He is sooooo totally over-rated it's not funny. Granted, he's young but I already don't like what I see in him and how he reacts to bad decisions on his part. He reminds me of Kerry Collins! :X As far as Pennington...I've always been a fan from afar. I don't own him in any leagues but from the little I've seen from him in games, I think he's a good leader and has an "adequate" arm. He doesn't have a cannon by any means, but I just like what I see in him.

And you were correct in stating that they are over performing with a 5-5 record. That team is so young and has some young guys at some key positions. Could you imagine what they might be like next year or in 2 years? Aren't they starting 2 rookies on the O-line for chrissakes? And Leon Washington and Cotchery and Barlow and Coles aren't necessarily long in the tooth.

C'mon Jets fans...relax. You might very well be sitting on a gold mine!

 
Pennington cannot make all the throws.. what is crazy to me is that Brees had a similar injury and has come back just as strong and Pennington somehow went from the weakest arm in the league to the weakest arm in both the NCAA and the NFL
Well, what I was seeing from Sunday's highlights - including the "great play" by Urlacher, looked like a lot of the offense's problems stemmed from Chad's weak arm. Have Ramsey and Clemons shown that little so far that Penny's the best they can do? :o
So from evaluating a handful of plays you've determined that a QB has the weakest arm in the league? Hogwash.Saying Pennington has a weak arm, and that's the problem is the laziest kind of analysis there is. In 11 games this season, Chad has had a QB rating over 90 six times. What's bringing him down is the last few weeks. Against Cleveland, NE, and Chicago, he's had ratings of 21.1, 76.3, and 42.8. Of course, NE and Chicago are great defenses, so perhaps its not so wierd.

What watching all the snaps in all the games tells me is that Pennington has been a little less accurate over the past few weeks. It's not just that his comp% has gone down. It's that he's overthrowing the ball, and suffering from interceptions of the sort where you overshoot your WR and the saftey picks off the ball. In addition, he's made a couple of questionable decisions, the INT on the pass intended for Baker being the most obvious one.

It's not so abnormal for a player to go through a slump, and let's not forget that during this slump he's managed to beat NE for the first time in years. Unless he implodes, he's keeping the job, weak arm or not.
I agree. I actually think - especially earlier in the year - his arm strength was better than in the past. A lot of that has been the apparent adjustments he made to his throwing motion in the offseason.What Chad has been struggling with lately are two things he's always been good with - accuracy and decision making. He never had a strong arm, but his game wasn't built on gunslinging so that was ok. Unfortunately, he's made uncharacteric mistakes especially in the red zone.

I'm constantly amazed at the love/hate this city has. New York is a tough place to play - you should see the articles about Eli - I think the Post called him a complete bust. Earlier in the year, you couldn't hear anything but praises for Chad, and now he's the goat. As a Jets fan, I'm thrilled to be 5-5. The team is playing well and Chad HAS BEEN a big part of their success.
Well...for what Eli cost the Giants...I personally think he is a bust. He is sooooo totally over-rated it's not funny. Granted, he's young but I already don't like what I see in him and how he reacts to bad decisions on his part. He reminds me of Kerry Collins! :X As far as Pennington...I've always been a fan from afar. I don't own him in any leagues but from the little I've seen from him in games, I think he's a good leader and has an "adequate" arm. He doesn't have a cannon by any means, but I just like what I see in him.

And you were correct in stating that they are over performing with a 5-5 record. That team is so young and has some young guys at some key positions. Could you imagine what they might be like next year or in 2 years? Aren't they starting 2 rookies on the O-line for chrissakes? And Leon Washington and Cotchery and Barlow and Coles aren't necessarily long in the tooth.

C'mon Jets fans...relax. You might very well be sitting on a gold mine!
Chad Pennington has been a very succesful QB when he's been healthy, and has led teams deep into the playoffs. He's turned in some spectacular games in the playoffs and in late-season wins to secure playoff spots. I don't think anyone doubts that Chad can win big games.
 
Chad Pennington has been a very succesful QB when he's been healthy, and has led teams deep into the playoffs. He's turned in some spectacular games in the playoffs and in late-season wins to secure playoff spots. I don't think anyone doubts that Chad can win big games.
Isn't the wildcard game the only playoff game he ever won? He did that twice right?
 
the arm stregnth hasnt been the problem the last few weeks(although it certainly hasnt helped) He has just let a few ball sail on him and made some poor decisions. I also was very disapointed with the team's discipline and play calling last week(got inside the 35 like 6 times and came away with zero points)

I dont think chad can win a super bowl (barring an absolutely absurd array of skill position guys) so id like the jets to see what they have in klemens. Not this week, not next week. But if the jets are sitting at 6-8 with 2 weeks left, id like to see him get a shot.

 
My impressions are:

- It has nothing to do with arm strength, his arm is the same as always.

- Yup, he's in a slump and the last two games were against two of the better defenses in football.

I think a lot of people's Reference points have been changed up since the Jets won some games and have looked good at times. We have to remember all the people saying this could be one of the worst teams in the NFL, the HC is a rookie, Chad is dead, the OL is totally revamped and new systems are being installed on both sides of the ball... IT'S A REBUILDING YEAR!!! That never changed for me. It's an exciting one but, it is what it is.

Chad freaking came back off of life support... If the guy didn't hit a slump we would be looking at a complete medical miracle with a QB coming off two shoulder surgeries and learning a news system on the fly with no franchise RB and a OL in progress... Come on now!!

But, to me, it's lot more than Chad... If Chad can do it, fine but, I'm seeing everything else I want to - a Defense jelling, an OL jelling and what looks to be a real good franchise developing with good leadership at the top......

If you build the OL and the defense and add a playmaker then I think between, Chad, Ramsey, Clemense or a Free agent, you'll get your QB eventually, if not next year then the next.

This is simply a year QB wise to see if Chad is the guy and to eventually see what Clemens can do... Personally, I'm excited to see Clemens play. May the best man win.

 
Bri said:
Z-Dog said:
Chad Pennington has been a very succesful QB when he's been healthy, and has led teams deep into the playoffs. He's turned in some spectacular games in the playoffs and in late-season wins to secure playoff spots. I don't think anyone doubts that Chad can win big games.
Isn't the wildcard game the only playoff game he ever won? He did that twice right?
Pennington is 2-2 in the playoffs. He has a 41-0 win to his credit playing as the division winner against the wildcard in 2002. He was 19-25 for 222 and 3 TDs. He lost the next week at Oakland (the eventual AFC champ) 30-10. He had a bad game, going 21-47 for 183, 1 TD and 2 INTs.In '04 he beat SD 20-17 in San Diego in OT. He was 23-33 for 279 and 2 TDs. He then lost a heartbreaking close one on two missed FGs by Doug Brien in another OT nailbiter against Pittsburgh, 20-17. In that game he was 21-33 for 182 and 1 INT. Pittsburgh was the eventual Superbowl winner.
 
Bri said:
Z-Dog said:
Chad Pennington has been a very succesful QB when he's been healthy, and has led teams deep into the playoffs. He's turned in some spectacular games in the playoffs and in late-season wins to secure playoff spots. I don't think anyone doubts that Chad can win big games.
Isn't the wildcard game the only playoff game he ever won? He did that twice right?
Pennington is 2-2 in the playoffs. He has a 41-0 win to his credit playing as the division winner against the wildcard in 2002. He was 19-25 for 222 and 3 TDs. He lost the next week at Oakland (the eventual AFC champ) 30-10. He had a bad game, going 21-47 for 183, 1 TD and 2 INTs.In '04 he beat SD 20-17 in San Diego in OT. He was 23-33 for 279 and 2 TDs. He then lost a heartbreaking close one on two missed FGs by Doug Brien in another OT nailbiter against Pittsburgh, 20-17. In that game he was 21-33 for 182 and 1 INT. Pittsburgh was the eventual Superbowl winner.
They were both Wildcard wins though right?Doesn't do anything for me. IMO anyone can win a wildcard game and it doesn't "ring" as an accomplishment. To each his own though
 
Bri said:
Z-Dog said:
Chad Pennington has been a very succesful QB when he's been healthy, and has led teams deep into the playoffs. He's turned in some spectacular games in the playoffs and in late-season wins to secure playoff spots. I don't think anyone doubts that Chad can win big games.
Isn't the wildcard game the only playoff game he ever won? He did that twice right?
Pennington is 2-2 in the playoffs. He has a 41-0 win to his credit playing as the division winner against the wildcard in 2002. He was 19-25 for 222 and 3 TDs. He lost the next week at Oakland (the eventual AFC champ) 30-10. He had a bad game, going 21-47 for 183, 1 TD and 2 INTs.In '04 he beat SD 20-17 in San Diego in OT. He was 23-33 for 279 and 2 TDs. He then lost a heartbreaking close one on two missed FGs by Doug Brien in another OT nailbiter against Pittsburgh, 20-17. In that game he was 21-33 for 182 and 1 INT. Pittsburgh was the eventual Superbowl winner.
They were both Wildcard wins though right?Doesn't do anything for me. IMO anyone can win a wildcard game and it doesn't "ring" as an accomplishment. To each his own though
A playoff game is still a playoff game, especially in a league which had a 6th seeded team win the Super Bowl last year. Everyone would love to be able to claim that their QB won the Super Bowl, but it's a team sport and there's a lot more to winning playoff games than just the QB's. Ask the Baltimore Ravens how vital Trent Dilfer was to their championship. Most teams in the league can't claim that their starting QB has won as many playoff games as Pennington has won.
 
Most teams in the league can't claim that their starting QB has won as many playoff games as Pennington has won.
2? really?
Let's count together. Where the starter is injured, I'll mention him and his replacement.< 2 winsWashington - CampbellGiants - ManningCowboys - RomoTampa - Gradkowski (or Simms)New Orleans - BreesChicago - GrossmanDetroit - KitnaArizona - LeinartSF - SmithSt. Louis - BulgerMiami - HarringtonBuffalo - LosmanHouston - CarrJacksonville - Leftwich (or Garrard)Tennessee - YoungCincinnati - PalmerCleveland - FryeKansas City - GreenOakland - BrooksSan Diego - Rivers> or = 2 winsEagles - McNabb (or Garcia)Carolina - DelhommeAtlanta - VickMinnesota - JohnsonGreen Bay - FavreSeattle - HasselbeckNew England - BradyJets - PenningtonIndianapolis - ManningPittsburgh - RothlisbergerBaltimore - McNairDenver - PlummerSo only 12/32 have won as many as 2 playoff games; the number would be smaller if you're talking about more than 2 wins.
 
Bulger and Green?

Brunell/Campbell and Collins/Young shouldn't count IMO. If they were good, they had a QB with experience. They're not so they switched.

Regardless, didn't know it was that bleak. Thanks for the research

 
Bulger and Green?

Brunell/Campbell and Collins/Young shouldn't count IMO. If they were good, they had a QB with experience. They're not so they switched.

Regardless, didn't know it was that bleak. Thanks for the research
Those two surprised me the most too - I actually wrote Green's name in the bottom group before checking. Trent Green's only played in one playoff game in his career! It was in 2003 and it was a first round loss to Indy, 38-31. Seems like a travesty for a guy who has led one of the most successful five years of offensive football in league history. :shrug: If you think about it, though, there are only 11 playoff wins in each post-season available for QB's to accumulate, and 3-4 of them are going to a single guy every year.

 
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